Proof Naruto doesn't have Uzumaki Stamina (manga evidence inside)

[V h o]

Does anyone know how tsunade is a full senju?

 

[TrollKing]

Does anyone know how tsunade is a full senju?

Her regeneration technique is senju base as madara stated

 

[solorflare99]

Does anyone know how tsunade is a full senju?

Someone is just being stupid. Tsunade is just as much Uzumaki as she is Senju.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If you read the OP (like you said other weren't doing) you wouldn't have posted half of the things you were. Nice that you caught your mistake though

It was the middle of the night when I read it. Lay off, short bus. I also never claimed people weren't reading the OP.

Read that again, and then reevaluate.
It all depends on context. Naruto does have large reserves like a an Uzumaki, but due to Kurama and not because he was born with it.

This thread is so stupid, barely anyone says Naruto naturally has the stamina of Uzumakis and we all know his life force isn't on the same level of kushina. That being said he still has more than the average ninja as he survived a tailed beast extraction.

That's not true. Naruto needs large reserves to use and learn Sage Mode and Kurama played no role in that. He has naturally high reserves, Dantee was wrong that he didn't. Dantee was however on the right track that his reserves are nowhere near a full Uzumaki's.

 

[To Whatever]

Large reserves like an Uzumaki =/=large reserves. Saying someone has reserves like an Uzumaki means the levels are comparable. We've both agreed that Naruto doesn't have levels like an Uzumaki. They are large, but are not comparable to an Uzumaki, so they're not like an Uzumaki's.

Edit: Wait, just caught that last sentence. Yeah, he's wrong that Naruto was born without large reserves at all.

Yeah. I'm not saying Naruto's life force or reserves compare to them because they don't. They are however higher than normal due to Kushina being an Uzumaki.

That's the only thing I wanted to prove. Dantee acts like everything came from Kurama and not his mom or dad.

The sage even imply it heavily that NAruto inherited absolutely nothing from either of his parents. That him and Ashura were born noted as no good descendants.

I mean really....

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"Whole potential" seems to fly over his head.

 

[solorflare99]

It was the middle of the night when I read it. Lay off, short bus. I also never claimed people weren't reading the OP.


That's not true. Naruto needs large reserves to use and learn Sage Mode and Kurama played no role in that. He has naturally high reserves, Dantee was wrong that he didn't. Dantee was however on the right track that his reserves are nowhere near an full Uzumaki's.

Minato made it so Naruto's Kurama's chakra leaked into Naruto's, becoming Naruto's. That means his chakra is always higher than it was meant to be.

 

[King of the Heavens]

A misconception around the base has many members believing Naruto was born with strong natural reserves like other Uzumaki's in the series, but that is false. By compiling factual statements and events from the manga I've conclusively debunked the misconception Naruto has naturally large reserves.



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Kabuto's and Obito's statements about the Uzamakis prove that only those born with red hair have the innate trait of a strong bodied Uzamaki w. amazing life force.

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Uzamaki Feat Comparison

Even as far as feats Uzamakis with red hair trumped NAruto w/o Kyuubi in terms of chakra capability.


Nagato was capable of using taxing Rinnegan techniques, fight the nine tails and then being able to revive a whole village afterwards.

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Karin was able to fully restore the vitality and chakra of a full blooded senju and still have stamina afterwards.

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Narutos top feats as far as I can think of pale in comparison to the two above, but there is even one more feat that sets True bloodline Uzamakis from Naruto.


Kushina survived the extraction for a brief time even after giving childing and was even able to hold down 100% Kurama.

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Naruto on the otherhand dies instantly when Kurama is pulled away from him.

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Even more Manga Facts


Furthermore the sole reason for Naruto large reserves to spam shadow clones stems from the chakra leaked by the Kyuubi.

In the beginning Minato used the eight trigrams sealing technique in hopes Naruto can use the Kyuubis chakra.

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Oro used this technique to disturb Narutos chakra because their chakras were beginning to fuse.

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Kakashi and Jiraya also confirms the fact Narutos stamina comes from the Kyuubi.

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I don't know why people think Naruto was born with special genetic traits like the UChiha, red hair Uzamakis or Hyuugas. Naruto power comes from Kurama he relies on him just like Ashura relied on others as well.



The sage even imply it heavily that NAruto inherited absolutely nothing from either of his parents. That him and Ashura were born noted as no good descendants.

Minato being a genius and Kushina being Uzamaki with chakra chains, Naruto got neither of these traits, but Kurama instead.

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This concludes my misconception thread. deuces

Thats no proof and you know it i'm new here and i'm starting to see your thread's as nothing more then joke or fan fiction.

 

[V h o]

Someone is just being stupid. Tsunade is just as much Uzumaki as she is Senju.

Idk op laid the manga facts out but I can't find this Zzz

Her regeneration technique is senju base as madara stated

Don't make her full though

 

[To Whatever]

Wtf? You already agree Uzumaki > half breed naruto, and now you trying to put naruto on the same level? :lol:

I'm not. what are you talking about?

Uzumaki>>>Naruto>>Average shinobi

 

[wanderingcactus]

Lel hes a namikaze. Half breed uzumaki.

Of course hes not all those

 

[TrollKing]

Idk op laid the manga facts out but I can't find this Zzz


Don't make her full though

Madara called her weak senju, because he was comparing her to hashi the genius senju. Madara saying she pretty much a normal senju or full senju

 

[ComplexCity]

It was the middle of the night when I read it. Lay off, short bus. I also never claimed people weren't reading the OP.

Funny how when other ppl make mistakes or argue against you and are wrong you're quick you jump at ppl's throats. Don't tell me to lay off when you do it. Dantee is a known a troll the which is why I didn't bother presenting an argument. If you look back at the responses, you'd see that he is still denying manga scans

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Sasuke was referring to uzumaki genes of Naruto :

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No he wasn't. An Uchiha doesn't need to be jealous of anything. Your comprehension is beyond pathetic.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

By Dantee's logic, Gaara is an uzumaki

You sure are pretty dumb, aren't you?

Its because of VOTE 2.Sasuke fans are still salty AF.They bash naruto everytime

Haha. Nice joke. I didn't see any point in VOTE 2 that could have salty effect on Sasuke fans.

Can you tell me that why sasuke was afraid of Gokages?

He wanted to kill them when they were still inside the IT So that means he wouldn't be able to kill them if they were outside the IT.

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LOL. What a troll...

This scan should have been enough

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What's enough?

 

[Dantee]

Fail thread, stopped at title. The fact that Naruto is ashura incarnate makes him more Uzumaki/Senju than anyone else. Also lets not forget a major feat only Uzumaki/Senju can pull, his strong body/chakra is able to contain full Kurama with ease. Most people would surely die, faps be salty.

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That makes no sense Anyone can be a jin but Uzumakis tend to make good jins because of their life force. The only reason NAruto took Kurama easily at birth was because of Minatos seal. Even baby Gaara could take full shukaku

Let me get this straight.

I show you a panel of it explicitly being stated that Naruto is an Uzumaki and his ability to resist, validating his strong life-force.

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-You say feats disagree.

I explain to you the differences in what happened to Minato when he took Kurama and when Naruto took Kurama.

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-You call it "Plot"

Does kishimoto have to personally come to your house, wrap chapter 662 and 504 around his ****, then slap you with it for you to understand?

Are you dense or what Nips? Kishi has plenty of unexplained things happen in the manga that revolve around plot. Explain to me how Minato the hokage of a village has less stamina and life force than 1 hour year old NAruto? That doesn't even make sense not even a little bit. The only logical explanation is the seal he used, besides NAruto isn't the only kid to get a bijuu sealed in him. Quit acting like being a jin automatically makes it a reserve feat because it's not and was never stated to be.

OBito was talking about his will to live but stamina wise naruto did nothing comparable to Kushina after extraction. That doesn't disprove anything in the thread not even close.

Naruto is one of the strongest uzumaki and that doesn't change the fact that those were two separate statements explaining some of the uzumaki clan traits.

Yes because of Kurama not because of his base reserves. The only high stamina Uzumakis we've seen had red hair and their feats stand way out in reserves when compared to Base NAruto.

A person's mental state is very important. We saw Naruto pass out from his wind training because of mental exhaustion. All the 9 tails did was gather chakra. Naruto was the one controlling it and manipulating it. He was doing all the work. IE: If you go to a store and buy a sledgehammer, any thought you didn't create the sledghammer, if you decide to use it your are the one doing the work. The store is not using the sledgehammer for you.

Wrong Naruto was tired from over exerting his shadow clone jutsu during training. Chakra restores stamina so the work is pretty irrelevant especially when Naruto hardly ever took any direct hits or fatal injuries.

The manga stated Naruto only received a tiny bit of the 9 tails chakra -

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- The manga clarified the amount of 9 tails chakra Naruto receives in part 2. You are just omitting facts because it proves you wrong. If I give you a tiny bit of money over 16 years it won't make you rich because you will still only have a small amount of money. The same applies to the 9 tails chakra. Besides, it makes not sense for the 4th to design to seal to increase Naruto's charka to a huge amount when he has access to the 9 tails huge amount of chakra.

Wow, nothing about the nine tails chakra is tiny. A tiny piece of meat made Kin and Gin bros formiddable opponents iin their era. Still you are ignoring Kakashi and Jirayas statements as if Pa has deduced a great hole in my evidence. All you did was concede to the fact Narutos stamina was effected by Kurama, if that isn't proof enough for you then you are simply being ignorant.

Jiraya, who know about the uzumaki clan, never told us the amount. He only stated it added to Naruto' chakra. Even Jiraya didn't know why the 4th designed the seal that way. Yes, the tiny amount he received would make it larger than it would be without it, but that wouldn't increase it to a large amount if it wasn't already a large amount. If you have 100 dollars and I give you 10 dollars you will have more than money than you previously did, but you won't be rich because you only increased by 10 dollars.

Kakashi did state that Naruto's large amount charka comes from the 9 tails, but he has never showed us he has any understanding of the uzumaki traits, he doesn't know more about the 4 element seal than scroll frog that's part of the seal, and he has been wrong about the 9 tails power before. A lot of people believe the 9 tail is the source of Naruto's healing ability, but that is incorrect. The 9 tails enhances Naruto's life force and healing ability just like it enhance the strength of his jutsu.

Anyone who noted Narutos stamina that was close to him knew about the seal he had and that Kurama granted him large reserves. Why wouldn't Kakashi know about the seal his teacher put on him and how wouldn't he know about Uzumakis? Kakashi was alive and jounin around the time Uzumakis were around and his teachers wife was also one and a jin. Sasuke punctured his lung and the nine tails healed him, you really think Naruto can do that on his own?

When Naruto faced Orochimaru during the chunin examine he used a 5 element seal to seal the 9 tails chakra and power -

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- Jiraya stated the seal stopped the 9 tails power and charka -

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- yet, when Orochimaru's seal was still in place Kakashi implied Naruto's healing ability came from the 9 tails -

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- Kakahis was wrong because Naruto didn't have access to the 9 tails power or chakra at the time. That means Naruto's healing ability comes from his own power and life force. Look at Kakashis statement, he was surprised of the 9 tails power. That proves he doesn't know the 9 tails' power or uzumaki's clan traits and he was assuming that was the 9 tail's power.

Kakashi wasn't wrong you are taking what Jiraya said about the 5 part seal out of context.
The 5 part seal stopped NArutos and the Kyuubis chakra from mixing any further but at that time their chakra was already mixed but it stopped the process from growing. Basically all it did was stop Naruto from increasing his base reserves and make it harder for him to use chakra.


One of the best example of Naruto's powerful life force was during his 9 tails training-

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- The wood jutsu was reacting to Naruto's life force that's being enhanced by the 9 tails charka. Some people claimed that was the 9 tail doing, but they are incorrect. We has seen Yamato use his wood jutsu before when Naruto is using the 9 tail chakra and there was not reaction -

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The reason it reacted different during his training was because Naruto was using the 9 tails charka different. He learned to attach it to his will, as explained to him by scroll frog -

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- so now it gains Naruto's ability and powerful life force. It just enhance his life force just like it enhance his healing.

Once again you have chosen to ignore facts. This proves he don’t care facts at all. Yamato told us Naruto was able to handle the 9 tails poisonous chakra because of his ability -

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Yeah because after years of the nine tails and NArutos chakra mixing like I explained in the thread. For some reason you are blantly denying what was written in the manga. Even go as far as to call Kakashi and Jiraya unknowledgeable lmao, makes no sense bro. Anyone who has seen Narutos seal has come to the same conclusion.

Other example: When the 4th sealed half of the 9 tails inside his body it made his body go numb -

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yet Naruto, even as a baby, wasn't affected by the 9 tails just being sealed in his body.

Two different seals, two different results. Having a bijuu sealed doesn't make your stamina formidable not to mention Naruto was an infant and Minato was a hokage. Where is the logic in that?

I'm saying Naruto had gained some of his father's and mother's traits. He was able to create the FRS. Not even his father was able to figure out how to shape an element at the highest level of shape manipulation. I have already provided example of Naruto gaining traits from his mother.

I guess but those traits weren't exactly relevant to my thread. Once again you guys are nitpicking due to my wording which has nothing to due with the topic of my thread. It's like saying Naruto got his mothers attitude so therefore I'm wrong? LOL

"23 others have disliked your post"

Yet no one has proved me wrong and only about 1 or 2 people actually pposted a decent argument. Goes to show how many actually read the thread Lol. Probably close to 0 including yourself because of the nonsense you keep posting.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hes not on the level of Kushina/Karin/Nagato ... yes hes not


Means he doesn't have uzumaki stamina?? no..

Someone is just being stupid. Tsunade is just as much Uzumaki as she is Senju.

Uzumaki once mixed with the main senju clan, is senju blood. She is a full senju.


Hashirama + Toka = full senju

Hashirama + Mito = Full senju

^^^ Reason being is.. Uzumaki = senju blood. Each senju group before being unified together under Hashirama were skilled variety of different skills. All those different "Senju blood related" groups joined together under Hashirama to form the Senju clan of Konoha.

Senju clan of Konoha =/= Senju clan ran by Hashirama's dad.

 

[ComplexCity]

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That makes no sense Anyone can be a jin but Uzumakis tend to make good jins because of their life force. The only reason NAruto took Kurama easily at birth was because of Minatos seal. Even baby Gaara could take full shukaku




Are you dense or what Nips? Kishi has plenty of unexplained things happen in the manga that revolve around plot. Explain to me how Minato the hokage of a village has less stamina and life force than 1 hour year old NAruto? That doesn't even make sense not even a little bit. The only logical explanation is the seal he used, besides NAruto isn't the only kid to get a bijuu sealed in him. Quit acting like being a jin automatically makes it a reserve feat because it's not and was never stated to be.

OBito was talking about his will to live but stamina wise naruto did nothing comparable to Kushina after extraction. That doesn't disprove anything in the thread not even close.




Yes because of Kurama not because of his base reserves. The only high stamina Uzumakis we've seen had red hair and their feats stand way out in reserves when compared to Base NAruto.


Wrong Naruto was tired from over exerting his shadow clone jutsu during training. Chakra restores stamina so the work is pretty irrelevant especially when Naruto hardly ever took any direct hits or fatal injuries.



Wow, nothing about the nine tails chakra is tiny. A tiny piece of meat made Kin and Gin bros formiddable opponents iin their era. Still you are ignoring Kakashi and Jirayas statements as if Pa has deduced a great hole in my evidence. All you did was concede to the fact Narutos stamina was effected by Kurama, if that isn't proof enough for you then you are simply being ignorant.

Anyone who noted Narutos stamina that was close to him knew about the seal he had and that Kurama granted him large reserves. Why wouldn't Kakashi know about the seal his teacher put on him and how wouldn't he know about Uzumakis? Kakashi was alive and jounin around the time Uzumakis were around and his teachers wife was also one and a jin. Sasuke punctured his lung and the nine tails healed him, you really think Naruto can do that on his own?


Kakashi wasn't wrong you are taking what Jiraya said about the 5 part seal out of context.
The 5 part seal stopped NArutos and the Kyuubis chakra from mixing any further but at that time their chakra was already mixed but it stopped the process from growing. Basically all it did was stop Naruto from increasing his base reserves and make it harder for him to use chakra.


One of the best example of Naruto's powerful life force was during his 9 tails training-

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- The wood jutsu was reacting to Naruto's life force that's being enhanced by the 9 tails charka. Some people claimed that was the 9 tail doing, but they are incorrect. We has seen Yamato use his wood jutsu before when Naruto is using the 9 tail chakra and there was not reaction -

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Yeah because after years of the nine tails and NArutos chakra mixing like I explained in the thread. For some reason you are blantly denying what was written in the manga. Even go as far as to call Kakashi and Jiraya unknowledgeable lmao, makes no sense bro. Anyone who has seen Narutos seal has come to the same conclusion.


Two different seals, two different results. Having a bijuu sealed doesn't make your stamina formidable not to mention Naruto was an infant and Minato was a hokage. Where is the logic in that?

I guess but those traits weren't exactly relevant to my thread. Once again you guys are nitpicking due to my wording which has nothing to due with the topic of my thread. It's like saying Naruto got his mothers attitude so therefore I'm wrong? LOL







Yet no one has proved me wrong and only about 1 or 2 people actually pposted a decent argument. Goes to show how many actually read the thread Lol. Probably close to 0 including yourself because of the nonsense you keep posting.

The same guy who agreed with you is now disagreeing with the fallacious part(s) of your thread, the same ppl who always make you look stupid presented you with scans, you still haven't proved to me how Kuramas chakra influenced his Kage Bunshin spam in chapter 1. You failed on so many levels and now you're in denial

 

[To Whatever]

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That makes no sense Anyone can be a jin but Uzumakis tend to make good jins because of their life force. The only reason NAruto took Kurama easily at birth was because of Minatos seal. Even baby Gaara could take full shukaku




Are you dense or what Nips? Kishi has plenty of unexplained things happen in the manga that revolve around plot. Explain to me how Minato the hokage of a village has less stamina and life force than 1 hour year old NAruto? That doesn't even make sense not even a little bit. The only logical explanation is the seal he used, besides NAruto isn't the only kid to get a bijuu sealed in him. Quit acting like being a jin automatically makes it a reserve feat because it's not and was never stated to be.

OBito was talking about his will to live but stamina wise naruto did nothing comparable to Kushina after extraction.

Dantee....

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You've been proven wrong multiple times in this thread.

 

[Dantee]

The same guy who agreed with you disagreed with you, the same ppl who always make you look stupid presented you with scans, you still haven't proved to me how Kuramas chakra influenced his Kage Bunshin spam in chapter 1. You failed on so many levels and now you're in denial

Bro I already posted the proof in the thread and I countered this post 100+ times. You didn't even read the thread because if you did it would answer your question and what does Rikers have to due with me? If he asked me a question about my thread I would reply to him. You are acting salty as hell bro, the only one is denial is you, just look at your sig the answers your question right there

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Naruto's mother is a red head and his father is a blonde.

Is naruto half red head or is he a half blonde?

Retard.