Minato vs Jiraya

[Vanto]

Fourth Hokage vs Glorious Writer

Location : Konoha training ground (AKA the ground where Team 7 trained with Kakashi in part 1)

Mindset : IC, it's a friendly match so both are non-serious.

Restriction : Alive Minato, they'll use non-lethal jutsus and take a light-hearted approach to the whole fight so Jiraya probably won't bust out SM and the likes and Minato won't go ham with Shiki Fujin. Minato has 10 tagged kunais.

Starting distance : 30 meters.

Intel : Manga, although they don't need to worry about the deadliest techniques.

Round II : IC but serious and ready to kill, so SM and stuff is authorized. Same conditions.

Round IIII : Bloodlusted.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato shits in Round 1. Minato mid diffs in Rounds 2 and 3.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Who gets access to what toads, or are they restricted in general. And I'm pretty sure jiraya using sm is worthless when co tract seal is involved,

 

[Rιver]

Give Jiraiya all toads and he still loses.

 

[super yang]

jiraiya wins.

he can counter ftg in sage mode w/ his various hair techs & his boosted perceptions & reflexes

 

[Vanto]

Who gets access to what toads, or are they restricted in general. And I'm pretty sure jiraya using sm is worthless when co tract seal is involved,

Toads cannot be summoned.

 

[NarutoX28]

Give Jiraiya his Summons and he could potentially get off Sage Mode which allows him to secure the win provided he's actually given Sage Sensing and Frog Katas.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Toads cannot be summoned.

Well then no sm for jiraya then :lol

 

[Rιver]

Give Jiraiya his Summons and he could potentially get off Sage Mode which allows him to secure the win provided he's actually given Sage Sensing and Frog Katas.

SM Jiraiya can't use Kawazu Kumite nor sense.

 

[NarutoX28]

SM Jiraiya can't use Kawazu Kumite nor sense.

Databook did state he could which is why I'm iffy on the subject.

 

[Ambivalence]

And how does SM give Jiraiya the win, exactly? He'd have to be at least on V1 Ay's movement speed tier and his reflexes have to be at least on par with V2 Ay's to be an effective threat to Minato... neither of which he is.

 

[Gold Lightning]

SM Jiraiya can't use Kawazu Kumite nor sense.

He can, Databook 4 lists him as a user of frog kata (which requires sage sensing). Sensing is an automatic ability you get with sm, you become one with nature, essentially being able to sense everything around you.

Plus it's one of the first things you learn as a toad sage. Of course he has it. The dub says once you learn sm, you gain command over a terrifying taijutsu (or something like that).

 

[Rιver]

Databook also listed Madara as only PS user. Manga disagrees with it.

 

[Draegod]

Who gets access to what toads, or are they restricted in general. And I'm pretty sure jiraya using sm is worthless when co tract seal is involved,

Contract seal is useless when the summons obey whether he has a contract with him or not (they respect Jman and would die for him no matter what).

 

[Draegod]

And how does SM give Jiraiya the win, exactly? He'd have to be at least on V1 Ay's movement speed tier and his reflexes have to be at least on par with V2 Ay's to be an effective threat to Minato... neither of which he is.

Considering only about 3 ninjas meet that category with out Six paths power, does that make Minato unbeatable if you do not have Six path powers?

 

[Gold Lightning]

Databook also listed Madara as only PS user. Manga disagrees with it.

Forgetting to add someone as a user isn't the same as specifically listing someone as a user. They clearly listed his name and others under Frog Kata, are you really gonna be that guy?

He went through the same training as Naruto, so explain why he wouldn't know it.

 

[Rιver]

Minato was also said to have Shunshin as fast as V2 E. Does he? Manga disagrees with that too.

Also Jiraiya doesn't have perfect HM. It's imperfect and he can't clearly sense as a Path surprised him. HM sensing is passive.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Contract seal is useless when the summons obey whether he has a contract with him or not (they respect Jman and would die for him no matter what).

No, that's something you made up, it's said to nullify contracts. It's called a "contract" seal for a reason. Not "direct control seal breaker". Kuramas contract was formed via genjutsu, so that's what minatos seal broke.

Or do you think Minato learned that technique for the sole purpose of one day coincidently fighting an uchiha who can control beasts.

They also respect Minato. Point?

 

[NarutoX28]

Databook also listed Madara as only PS user. Manga disagrees with it.

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Manga doesn't disagree the notion of Sage Mode heightening one's Senses.

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Furthermore, Pa states that Sennin Mode raises both threat perception and attacking range and it's clear he is discussing about it in general. The Frog Katas is debatable within that statement as it's a skill that needs to be learned, but Sage Sensing isn't, esp. when the previous scan emphasizes how drawing in Natural Energy heightens one's senses, so it's not a skill that needs to be learned. It's a natural ability that's granted from Sage Mode.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato was also said to have Shunshin as fast as V2 E. Does he? Manga disagrees with that too.

Also Jiraiya doesn't have perfect HM. It's imperfect and he can't clearly sense as a Path surprised him. HM sensing is passive.

Fukasaku and Shima are the greatest sage user yet they didn't sense Asura pan either...your point? Perhaps becuase pains paths are just dead corpses being controlled, or maybe because it's completely mechanical armor summoned from another world. Being imperfect has nothing to do with anything here. Otherwise you claim the sage toads are imperfect as well.

Based on feats, there's nothing that puts minatos shunshin below Ays. Based on feats, Minato has covered greater distances in the shortest amount of time than Ay has ever displayed. Base Minato has displayed greater shunshin feats than he did in kcm, so do you claim Ays shunshin is superior to kcm minatos??