Fisrt it is debatable if trhe supernovas can beat vergo unlike sanji. It seems people want to underestimate the lower teir supernovas. You act like the supernova have just been sitting on their ass they also train and get stronger and before the ts sanji coulndt beat any of them and he still wouldn't be able now. The fact that they are super rookies automatically puts them above sanji. If sanji was stronger than them it would be stupid. Pretty much take the third strongest from the strongest yonko crew and put them against a weaker yonko it would idiotic to make the weakest yonko as strong as the third strongest of the strongest yonko crew. They title would mean nothing. You can think sanji is stronger if you want but that would be stupid if he was. At best sanji loses to high diff to capone, bonney, the skypia guy, and killer. Everyone else can beat sanji low to mid-high diff.
[Discussion] Sanji vs Capone incoming
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Not really. I would argue that people underestimate Vergo a lot more over his one shot defeat from Law.
No, I don't and I never implied that. I said that the SH's went through more of a training process than the other supernova's did, which is most likely true. The supernova title is irrelevant to strength, it's bounty based. A high bounty doesn't correlate to strength all the time and Oda himself said so in an SBS. Of course it sounds stupid to you since it goes against your hate for Sanji.
There's very little evidence to support that. It's pretty pointless since we know very little of what the other supernovas can do and Sanji hasn't shown everything he's got as well. Luffy got his powerup, so it's likely that Sanji & Zoro will get their powerups as well.
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I know this was back on page 2, but I just wanted to respond to this.
That was symbolic of the exact opposite of being weaker, it was symbolic of Sanjis 'low key' status of the Strawhat crew, and his role in a lot of arcs where he goes off on his own accord, undetected, and gets things done at the last minute.
His bounty couldn't be any more fitting of that role, as the guy whos always going behind the scenes.
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77 mil bounty is quite opposite of "low key status". If this was before his bounty I wouldn't mind agreeing with you. And as I have said, before Sanjis is without a doubt smarter than Zoro and Luffy. Only Sanji is capable of doing the things he does. However, those things do not mean in a fight hes on par with them. Is he useful like them? 100% , because Zoro nor Luffy would've thought about opening the gates of justice.
Sanji is the "smart" guy of the trio, the Monster trio is monster because they work well perfectly. Where Luffy and Zoro can fight OP dudes, Sanji can fight and do other stuff on the side that the other 2 can't do. Sanji has more roles than Luffy and Zoro. Where Zoro and Luffy are pretty much useless outside of fighting, Sanji isn't.
Just because I don't believe Sanji isn't on the same level with Zoro , doesn't mean I'm bashing him. I perfectly acknowledge the mere fact he is more useful than Zoro, who is pretty useless outside of fighting, unless it comes to crew decisions.
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Might go of thread now,but...Sanji will surely get a new powerup anytime soon.
Wouldn't be surprised if he get Tekai since he is going to that route how it seems.
Sanji is with a reason in monster trio group.He is strong and pretty underrated if u ask me.He would pull a hell of a fight with anyone.
He was there against Doffy.Pulled some nice kicks.
And as KingHashirama said he is smarter than Luffy and Zoro.
Bounty in Sanjis case means nothing.77 is a joke.Should be 100+ if u ask me.
Wouldn't be surprised if he get Tekai since he is going to that route how it seems.
Sanji is with a reason in monster trio group.He is strong and pretty underrated if u ask me.He would pull a hell of a fight with anyone.
He was there against Doffy.Pulled some nice kicks.
And as KingHashirama said he is smarter than Luffy and Zoro.
Bounty in Sanjis case means nothing.77 is a joke.Should be 100+ if u ask me.
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X_X, yea i'm having issues with that. If hes gonna make the captain go all out, then atleast make his subordinate go all out too man. Bloody oda =l
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I suppose sounding like a low status bounty is subjective, so I'll just use facts; if the government was aware of the things Sanji did, he would arguably have a bounty = to, if not just under Luffys. And by that, I mean 1,000, possibly 2,000 below his.
And Sanji fights op guys too, this much was made apparent in Arlong Park.
He fought the Karate guy, who was the 3rd strongest, but still miles ahead of Usopps opponent.
In Alabasta, he fought Mr. 3, a direct comparison to the ranking of the M3 and his fighting ability.
Skip a few where he fights the 3rd in other arcs, and we get another direct comparison to his power to the other 2. The same power that you're claiming he lacks, is the power that he is directly given through scaling via Furuko.
It doesn't make sense that you say he does not fight on par with him when that dead myth was put to rest in Enies Lobby. You act as if a character can't be both intelligent and powerful.
And I didn't mention anything about Zoro, I'm only speaking M3 in general since you think he's lacking in the fighting department.
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that is true that is true. Maybe he should've saved Vergo for this arc =x
Sadly, the scaling of Furuko is irrelevent and it was never a direct comparison. Neither Sanji or Zoro went all out against Kaku or Jabura... while Luffy literally went all out against Lucy who was at 4000... Flawed comparison. After Ennis lobby they were directly compared, Zoro proceeds to take all of luffy's damage, and Sanji gets knocked out by hilt of a sword. << This was a direct comparison.
When did i said he wasn't powerful? Being not powerful as Zoro =/= Not being powerful.
If both are on the same level, and Sanji is clearly more intelligent.. then Sanji is the second strongest fighter in the strawhats, and not Zoro since in a 1 vs 1 he has the same level of power as Zoro and plus superior intelligence. Yet the portrayal is always Zoro is the second strongest on the team.
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8\ whole pages and people still can't give me manga scans/feats that suggest that the supernova(aside from zoro,luffy and law) are above sanji.............
So just because he doesn't name kidd makes Sanji unable to beat the other guys ?
I think the point in this post is clear and that the consensus is that Sanji can beat most of the supernova. Unless you can prove otherwise your post is just enough for people not to believe a word either.
You can turn this around all day long on other people trying to prove you wrong. How about you prove us right.
You're already so deep into this, I can't wait for this fight to happen in the manga. Do you realize what a fool you made out of yourself if Sanji wins now XD
But I have nothing to lose because you already deem Sanji weaker with the Zoro fan club, but if he wins he is up there with his buddy Zoro and Luffy and Law in the same list of people.
Exciting times next Thursday.
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Doriki also only measures physical strength, which means Kaku's swordsmanshop wouldn't be reflected in his Doriki rating. His DF was also better than Jabra's DF. Imo Luffy is a level above Zoro and Zoro is a level above Sanji.
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No. When I said "people" I didn't mean you, you clearly can't debate man, it's only a waste of my time. But go ahead I'll be nice and give you a chance to prove me wrong..
Are you saying that a swordmen physical strength isn't the same as his own body's strength??? Besides and by that logic, Jabra's dorki does not reflected his fighting strength as well since his style isn't about "punching" which dorki and by your logic is based on.
This was never stated, nor was it implied in anyway. In fact, Jabra was more experienced with his DF, while kaku on the other hand had just ate his ..........
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The bounty classification is a little shady. Luffy could take down any of the supernovas without much difficulty, before time skip at that. Kids bounty was only higher because he killed innocent people as he pleased, no other reason. Plus when the Kid pirates fought what they thought was Bartholomew Kuma, who they thought was a Warlord, they about shit themselves. Luffy's been taking down Warlords since the beginning of the series. The only reason Law has been keeping up with Luffy is because his Devil Fruit is freakin haxx
So you're saying that swordsmanship is something that isn't measured, but Jyabura's Martial Arts mastery is ?
Are you saying that someone who had better control and special attacks based on his devil fruit ability had a worse fruit than someone who just got that fruit and was trying to get familiar with it ?
Is that what you're saying here ? because if so, that would be very silly of you.
And don't come up with any 'it doesn't take physical strength' bullshit to be a good swordsman, because if that is the case, what is Zoro lifting all those weights for all this time ?