Which is currently worse at the moment:radical left or radical right?

[TJ600]

Re,The charlie Hedbo incident: I was under the impression that Islam fostered things like freedom of speech,and the killings were just the work of some extremists who don't practice Islam properly? If things like simple mockery against one's faith is against that religion that it warrants violence or makes them that sensitive, then it clearly is not compatible at all with Western values and there is only one solution to sort out this mess between the West and Islam: separation. On that note, the US and other Western countries should stop interfering so much with Middle Eastern affairs. I'm sure it's better that way. The Middle East would be a much more peaceful and prosperous region without the US. I mean, Islam clearly isn't violent in it's purest form so without the big bad West meddling in their matters, the Middle East would be all the richer for it.​

 

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Re,The charlie Hedbo incident: I was under the impression that Islam fostered things like freedom of speech,and the killings were just the work of some extremists who don't practice Islam properly? If things like simple mockery against one's faith is against that religion that it warrants violence or makes them that sensitive, then it clearly is not compatible at all with Western values and there is only one solution to sort out this mess between the West and Islam: separation. On that note, the US and other Western countries should stop interfering so much with Middle Eastern affairs. I'm sure it's better that way. The Middle East would be an extremely peaceful and prosperous region without the US. I mean, Islam is clearly a "religion of peace" in it's purest form so without the big bad West meddling in their matters, the Middle East would be all the richer for it.​

It was an extremist attack, you were initially right. However, it is in their belief that anyone that illustrates their prophet they should be killed. However, believing something does not mean you will do it. A lot of them recognize it as the appropriate justice for what Mr. Hebdo did, but would not do it themselves.

As for the West involving itself in Middle Eastern business. It's extremely false to say the Middle East would be peaceful without the US. Israel would still be on the verge of war. Saddam Hussein would still be trying to test bio-chemical weapons on his own people.

 

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Islam pretty much states that any non believer,homosexual,women who partake in lust should be put to death.

This is like an Abrahamic religion script's default.

Have you seen what happens to women and gay people over in Islamic states?

What do you imply? I am a woman who lives in an Islamic country, and currently in an internship in a Christian majority country. Honestly, men seem more or less similar (in fact i am getting catcalled more). Women and LGBTQ+ are marginalized in most countries it is not specific to Islamic countries. Is Russia Muslim? No but recently they took drastic meaures against homosexuals. People called Emma Sulkovich an attention ***** because some rape apologist's false article was believable to them (hence they said it even before that occurrence but w/e). Or for example:

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Calling me a Islamophobe does not change the fact that the "Religion of Peace" is anything but.

You are an Islamophobe who knows jack about Muslims or these countries at that matter. I am not saying Islam (or religion) is about peace. It is not about war either. To me religion is like chemicals, depending on usage it can be good, bad or neutral. If you clean someone's wound with ethanol you will help healing them. If you make them drink the same ethanol you will kill them.

Also if it weren't for several interests and our troops still deployed there the U.S would've bombed those barbarians to hell.

I wonder how low you can sink until you reach rock bottom. You must have loved American Sniper.

Me?I'm more content on pulling out and letting them kill each other.So that's a pretty good joke you told there.

Aaand you reached there.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

This is like an Abrahamic religion script's default.



What do you imply? I am a woman who lives in an Islamic country, and currently in an internship in a Christian majority country. Honestly, men seem more or less similar (in fact i am getting catcalled more). Women and LGBTQ+ are marginalized in most countries it is not specific to Islamic countries. Is Russia Muslim? No but recently they took drastic meaures against homosexuals. People called Emma Sulkovich an attention ***** because some rape apologist's false article was believable to them (hence they said it even before that occurrence but w/e). Or for example:

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You are an Islamophobe who knows jack about Muslims or these countries at that matter. I am not saying Islam (or religion) is about peace. It is not about war either. To me religion is like chemicals, depending on usage it can be good, bad or neutral. If you clean someone's wound with ethanol you will help healing them. If you make them drink the same ethanol you will kill them.


I wonder how low you can sink until you reach rock bottom. You must have loved American Sniper.



Aaand you reached there.

You must be one of the few lucky ones then,because I hear and read constant stories of how women are murdered for having affairs or being raped over there.Being gay gets you even worse treatment.

Is it low to state facts?If the U.S wasn't there the Middle East would still be destroying itself,which is why I consider the place a lost cause.

 

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Both are rights, that's how they follow. My point it's protecting that it's rights for a group of people on one hand, and ripping the rights of everyone just because they don't appreciate that right, and making the decision for everyone else.

It is like saying "keeping heroine at your house should be legal because you want to send children to school".

Gun usage and marrige are totally different things. 'They are both rights logic' would be throwing 2 irrelevant things in some bucket for no reason.

As for the West involving itself in Middle Eastern business. It's extremely false to say the Middle East would be peaceful without the US. Israel would still be on the verge of war. Saddam Hussein would still be trying to test bio-chemical weapons on his own people.

Israel's existence is the result of West involvement in Middle East.

You must be one of the few lucky ones then,because I hear and read constant stories of how women are murdered for having affairs or being raped over there.Being gay gets you even worse treatment.

Few Lucky ones? Do you know anything about our lives or different countries enough to determine how lucky or not a woman is? Murder and rape of women are not something specific to middle East and their culture. Male entitlement is not specific to Middle Eastern culture. Homophobia is not specific to Middle East. These are everywhere.

Is it low to state facts?If the U.S wasn't there the Middle East would still be destroying itself,which is why I consider the place a lost cause.

Tell me how much you know about Middle East. Tell me how many times you have been there and how many Middle Easterns you met, also go on about how much difference there are between countries and cultures, what kind of a person are you to deem the whole geography as a "lost cause"?

Without USA Middle East would be destroying itself? Do you imply USA had a positive impact on Middle East? What kind of thing even made you believe that, it must be one your classical good'ole American bed time stories to keep you as the sheep that you are.

Keep listening the stories then keep seeing that American dream. You must be sleeping to believe that bullshit.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It is like saying "keeping heroine at your house should be legal because you want to send children to school".

Gun usage and marrige are totally different things. 'They are both rights logic' would be throwing 2 irrelevant things in some bucket for no reason.


Israel's existence is the result of West involvement in Middle East.

Few Lucky ones? Do you know anything about our lives or different countries enough to determine how lucky or not a woman is? Murder and rape of women are not something specific to middle East and their culture. Male entitlement is not specific to Middle Eastern culture. Homophobia is not specific to Middle East. These are everywhere.



Tell me how much you know about Middle East. Tell me how many times you have been there and how many Middle Easterns you met, also go on about how much difference there are between countries and cultures, what kind of a person are you to deem the whole geography as a "lost cause"?

Without USA Middle East would be destroying itself? Do you imply USA had a positive impact on Middle East? What kind of thing even made you believe that, it must be one your classical good'ole American bed time stories to keep you as the sheep that you are.

Keep listening the stories then keep seeing that American dream. You must be sleeping to believe that bullshit.

Why do I get the impression that you think I'm talking about all muslims as a whole?Maybe you should reread my posts because it's plain as day that I only have problems with Islamic radicals and the religion itself.

Tbh,the US wouldn't have a impact either way.If Saddam wasn't running the middle east with a iron fist,it would be the various terrorist groups that continue to make the place a living hell.

Then you have people getting killed at voting booths,rounded up in slave camps or worse.

Nice anti American rhetoric at the end though,hearing the truth really hurts doesn't it?

 

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Why do I get the impression that you think I'm talking about all muslims as a whole?Maybe you should reread my posts because it's plain as day that I only have problems with Islamic radicals and the religion itself.

Are you even real?

If blaming white people for shit they weren't alive to do is fine,then it's fine to blame the group whose religion preaches hate and killing non believers for what the radical groups like ISIS are doing.

And maybe people will let go of what happened on 9/11 when groups like ISIS cease to exist,until then Islam is still the religion that preaches hate and extremism which creates groups like them to begin with.

I compare the two because both religions have the same origin,except one has evolved with the times while the other is completely barbaric.

Calling me a Islamophobe does not change the fact that the "Religion of Peace" is anything but.

Is it low to state facts?If the U.S wasn't there the Middle East would still be destroying itself,which is why I consider the place a lost cause.

People believe in that religion, in many ways. Having a problem with it means having a problem with people who believe in it, no matter how different they believe compared to your stereotype of a Muslim.

Tbh,the US wouldn't have a impact either way.If Saddam wasn't running the middle east with a iron fist,it would be the various terrorist groups that continue to make the place a living hell.

Still contradicting. A post go you said w/o USA Middle East would be destroying itself...Now you say they would not have impact eiher way.

Yeah the terrorist organisations which USA nothing to do with they would pop out because they are fungis specific to warm climate of Middle East

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Then you have people getting killed at voting booths,rounded up in slave camps or worse.

Now they are getting murdered at most imaginable places and rounded up in refugee camps or streets of some other country they do not even know of.

Nice anti American rhetoric at the end though,hearing the truth really hurts doesn't it?

You have not presented anything to be considered truth or atleast some sort of worthy opinion. I am well aware of the fact that how my country's government is brainwashing people, and i do not even like them. "American dream" is a knownand used phrase unlike "insertothercountry dream", sorry that i said that some people are just willfully ignorant.

 

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Why do I get the impression that you think I'm talking about all muslims as a whole?Maybe you should reread my posts because it's plain as day that I only have problems with Islamic radicals and the religion itself.

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What does that even mean??

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

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What does that even mean??

It means that unless you're a Islamic extremist you shouldn't get so snippy about what I'm saying.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Luther,I thought you said you were leaving my thread?

Don't think I haven't noticed you disliking my posts and lurking here still.

Act like a adult and respond in person.

 

[Multiply]

It means that unless you're a Islamic extremist you shouldn't get so snippy about what I'm saying.

No...

Why do I get the impression that you think I'm talking about all muslims as a whole?Maybe you should reread my posts because it's plain as day that I only have problems with Islamic radicals and the religion itself.

You only have a problem with Islamic radicals and the religion itself. If you have a problem with the religion, then you also have a problem with its followers.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It is like saying "keeping heroine at your house should be legal because you want to send children to school".

Gun usage and marrige are totally different things. 'They are both rights logic' would be throwing 2 irrelevant things in some bucket for no reason.

There is a reason. What's so special about gay marriage for it to be in a league of its own for right? Following your logic, not even using freedom of speech as an example would be illegitimate. It's important because they're both rights for citizens. This is supporting the rights of some, while infringing others.

I suppose what you're trying to get at is to portray the right to bear arms as a "less important right." However, put things into perspective. The support of gay marriage appeases the emotions(not needs), of less than 5% of the population. The right to bear arms protects the ability to have the most effective self-defense weapon for the entire population, that could protect citizens. Really, when you get down to it, what's truly the more important/impact right? The best gay marriage rights does is make some people happy. The best arms rights does is keeping people alive.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No...



You only have a problem with Islamic radicals and the religion itself. If you have a problem with the religion, then you also have a problem with its followers.

The crazy murderous followers yes.

I also have a problem with homophobic bible thumpers.You can criticize the problematic tenets of a religion and its followers without including the people who don't.

 

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It means that unless you're a Islamic extremist you shouldn't get so snippy about what I'm saying.

Do you indicate i am an Islamic extremist? :|

There is a reason. What's so special about gay marriage for it to be in a league of its own for right? Following your logic, not even using freedom of speech as an example would be illegitimate. It's important because they're both rights for citizens. This is supporting the rights of some, while infringing others.

I suppose what you're trying to get at is to portray the right to bear arms as a "less important right." However, put things into perspective. The support of gay marriage appeases the emotions(not needs), of less than 5% of the population. The right to bear arms protects the ability to have the most effective self-defense weapon for the entire population, that could protect citizens. Really, when you get down to it, what's truly the more important/impact right? The best gay marriage rights does is make some people happy. The best arms rights does is keeping people alive.

You can not shot down 20 people in matter of seconds with same gender marrige. A gun has sole purpose of harming another being unpike marrige which is a pegal union.

You call something right all you want, that does not put all right in same equal ground of validity and lack of harm. Most effective self defense method is also the most effective offense method. Giving access to anyone to said weapon does nothing to keep people alive.

 

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Do you indicate i am an Islamic extremist? :|
You can not shot down 20 people in matter of seconds with same gender marrige. A gun has sole purpose of harming another being unpike marrige which is a pegal union.

You call something right all you want, that does not put all right in same equal ground of validity and lack of harm. Most effective self defense method is also the most effective offense method. Giving access to anyone to said weapon does nothing to keep people alive.

Of course not,from what I've seen from your posts and past interactions you're quite reasonable.

 

[Luther]

Luther,I thought you said you were leaving my thread?

Don't think I haven't noticed you disliking my posts and lurking here still.

Act like a adult and respond in person.

What are your thoughts on the iran deal from a ''liberal'' as you claim to be.

 

[slimreaper]

What are your thoughts on the iran deal from a ''liberal'' as you claim to be.

You already made a thread on this... lets try to stay on topic or I will be forced to report you

 

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What are your thoughts on the iran deal from a ''liberal'' as you claim to be.

My opinion on the whole thing is Iran shouldn't have been making/researching nuclear weapons in secret without informing the UN.So the deal doesn't bother me either way.

And I love how you put "liberal" in quotes,let me guess:anyone that's not far left isn't a liberal by your standards.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You already made a thread on this... lets try to stay on topic or I will be forced to report you

As much as I find the thought hilarious,the thread has only just gotten back on topic.

 

[Luther]

My opinion on the whole thing is Iran shouldn't have been making/researching nuclear weapons in secret without informing the UN.So the deal doesn't bother me either way.

And I love how you put "liberal" in quotes,let me guess:anyone that's not far left isn't a liberal by your standards.

So basically you don't have any issue with it. Why i asked this question was that obama has been heavily criticized about this deal because the republicans feel in 10 years iran will make a nuclear weapon despite it saying in the agreement it will never do such, the other alternative is war and going in with force and that is what they want, force, force, what happened to peaceful negotiations? They want us to triple the sanctions which is already quite a lot on iran, but they don't understand that they cant permanently ban a country from buying weapons.

You already made a thread on this... lets try to stay on topic or I will be forced to report you

I asked the user a private question in response to our previous discussions on radicalisms about the left and the right. Refrain from interrupting, the question does not pertain to you. I have a zero troll tolerance policy.