Minato vs Hiruzen and Danzo

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Edo Hiruzen
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Distance is 20 meters
Minato has no knowledge on Izanagi.
 
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Minato wins this mid diff at the very highest. I beg someone try me.
 

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GG to hiruzen from 20m. That's insta neg blitz right there. Shunshin or FTG lev 2, take your pick.
 

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Minato wins.

Danzo would be the biggest trouble, Hiruzen is a non factor, change him for 3T Kakashi.
 

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Dafuq? Minato isn't winning this at all!
 

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Not sure how Minato counters Baku+Futon, since all his Kunai will be useless while they are going into Baku as well. Same applies to clones. It can even be intensified by Hiruzen's huge Futon's finished off with Danzo's Futon he used against Susano. If this doesn't work, then Minato should mid-high diff.
 

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Not sure how Minato counters Baku+Futon, since all his Kunai will be useless while they are going into Baku as well. Same applies to clones. It can even be intensified by Hiruzen's huge Futon's finished off with Danzo's Futon he used against Susano. If this doesn't work, then Minato should mid-high diff.

Baku gets crushed by Bunta. How is that thing even a factor. Either food cart destroyer one shots it, or while Baku is sucking, Bunta fires large volumes of oil at it, forcing Baku to swallow it. That oil is extremely sticky, essentially clogging up the inside and bakus mouth and preventing it from using its vacuum ability.
 
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Danzo and Hiruzen win with mid difficulty
 

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The only issue is Baku, and that all depends on if Minato has a marking somewhere that isn't in Baku's suction's line of fire. Then there's this:

or while Baku is sucking, Bunta fires pare volumes of oil at it, forcing Baku to swallow it. At oil is very sticky, essentially clogging up the inside and bakus mouth and preventing it from using its vacuum ability.

Other than Baku, Minato pretty much has this in the bag.

-They can't touch him due to Hiraishin and Space Time Barrier.
-They can't sneak up on him since he's a sensor.
-They can't react to Hiraishin blitz, but Danzo has Izanagi so he'll survive. Hiruzen is an Edo, but being struck gives Minato the chance to seal him with a tag, assuming he has one here since OP didn't bother to give him one.
 

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If baku appeared, Minato uses shunshin to get above Baku then uses food cart destroyer, simple.
 

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Baku gets crushed by Bunta. How is that thing even a factor. Either food cart destroyer one shots it, or while Baku is sucking, Bunta fires large volumes of oil at it, forcing Baku to swallow it. That oil is very sticky, essentially clogging up the inside and bakus mouth and preventing it from using its vacuum ability.

Lol. baku is 10 times the size of Bunta [ ], Bunta is not crushing anything unless Minato can reach atop of Baku and use Food Cart Destroyer from their to crush him. But given the fact that Minato has absolutely no way of escaping Baku's suction, he'll never get above Baku. Regarding your oil point, I fail to see how it will hold relevance given Baku is sucking up a variety of things like trees, stones, etc. which should be much more internally damaging then mere oil.
 

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Lol. baku is 10 times the size of Bunta [ ], Bunta is not crushing anything unless Minato can reach atop of Baku and use Food Cart Destroyer from their to crush him. But given the fact that Minato has absolutely no way of escaping Baku's suction, he'll never get above Baku. Regarding your oil point, I fail to see how it will hold relevance given Baku is sucking up a variety of things like trees, stones, etc. which should be much more internally damaging then mere oil.

:what: No you did not just say Baku is 10x the size of Bunta? WTF?! Did you really just use sasukes v3 susanoo a measuring stone here :lmao: That version of susanoo is roughly 3x the height of Sasuke. How small do you think Gamabunta is?

Also what does size have to do with anything here? When Bunta already pinned down 100% kurama, are you trying to say Baku is remotely anywhere near as strong as 100% kurama or as durable?

Are stones and trees sticky? No they are not, so why are you even mentioning it. Bakus suction turns those things into debris. Oil is liquid, Baku isn't reducing what Bunta fires at him. And this is massive volumes of oil that Bunta can spit, larger than the amount of Fire sasuke could fire.

Minato literally blitzed kurama from several hundred meters away with FCD. I can't even fathom how you'd think Baku would be a problem. . Also who told you food cart destroyer requires et user to get above the target? When has it even been shown that the summoner needed to get above the target? "The strength of the fall varies depending on the caster. In the case of someone like Jiraiya from the Sannin, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target, further adding the great gravitational force of a good several hundred meters high dive to the Toad's own weight!!"
 

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The only issue is Baku, and that all depends on if Minato has a marking somewhere that isn't in Baku's suction's line of fire. Then there's this:



Other than Baku, Minato pretty much has this in the bag.

-They can't touch him due to Hiraishin and Space Time Barrier.
-They can't sneak up on him since he's a sensor.
-They can't react to Hiraishin blitz, but Danzo has Izanagi so he'll survive. Hiruzen is an Edo, but being struck gives Minato the chance to seal him with a tag, assuming he has one here since OP didn't bother to give him one.

So we're assuming Hiruzen would be marked and doesn't know Minato entire arsenal? LOL Clones and Enma stop any and all "blitz" since enma can instantly Create the cage and minato wouldn't see it coming.

- Minato isn't a auto sensor, more so passive (as in he has to activate his sensing ability and it isnt all the time ready manga fact)
- Counter attacking and predicting his FTG isn't impossible. With that logic he is invincible. Also he wouldn't know when a Izanagi kunai stab would come as well.


Danzo this time has the Sharingan of one of the best uchiha's ever! He will be able to predict and better defend and wouldn't underestimate minato like he did sasuke (because it's fact he wasn't even too worried about sasuke at all). Hiruzen has shown great speed feats while in edo to instantly create 5 clones, place them perfectly apart, then instantly counter a jutsu that had already had a head start on him. He will have no problems with base minato's shunshin with the aid of enma. FTg is the only problem, but with clones and Baku the kunais should be rounded up into one spot.
 

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Lmao, "Baku is 10x the size of Bunta"... Bunta is literally Bijuu sized man.
 

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So we're assuming Hiruzen would be marked and doesn't know Minato entire arsenal? LOL Clones and Enma stop any and all "blitz" since enma can instantly Create the cage and minato wouldn't see it coming.

Nope. From 20m Minato would get him with Shunshin considering Madara is slower than Tobirama (stated) and almost blitz SM Naruto, whose reactions are >> Hiruzen's, or by tossing a Kunai at him and using Hiraishin. This strategy would work if Minato tries to use Hiraishin, but if he uses Shunshin then forget about it.

How does the Enma cage stop a blitz?

1. Kunai would fit through the holes.
2. Minato would still be able to teleport inside the cage and kill Hiruzen like that.


- Minato isn't a auto sensor, more so passive (as in he has to activate his sensing ability and it isnt all the time ready manga fact)
All he has to do is activate it at the beginning of the fight instead of forgetting to do so like he did against Obito. Regardless, countering sneak attacks from Danzo will not be an issue. and when Sasuke noticed him.

- Counter attacking and predicting his FTG isn't impossible. With that logic he is invincible. Also he wouldn't know when a Izanagi kunai stab would come as well.

Obviously it isn't impossible, but considering Danzo and Hiruzen aren't fast enough, you can forget about them predicting and countering it. Obito got blitzed. He's faster than they are. The only people who have ever legit countered a Hiraishin blitz are SM Madara, JJ Madara and JJ Obito.

And yes, he'd know when Izanagi Kunai stab is coming. Outside of chakra sensing, he's going to make some kind of sound that'll get him noticed just like when Minato countered Obito's sneak attack.


Danzo this time has the Sharingan of one of the best uchiha's ever! He will be able to predict and better defend and wouldn't underestimate minato like he did sasuke (because it's fact he wasn't even too worried about sasuke at all).

Based on what again? Danzo gets blitzed and there is nothing he can do about it. Predicting where Minato appears isn't going to let him react to the attack that follows, not to mention it'll be as clear as day that Minato is coming after him anyway, making prediction useless.

Not to mention having Sharingan is irrelevant as Sharingan tracks movement, not instant teleportation. Not to mention if he gets attacked outside of his field of view, Sharingan would be irrelevant even if it could help predict Hiraishin. Unless Danzo somehow became faster than Obito, there is nothing to argue here.

And where did he underestimate Sasuke? The only thing that I recall being stated is that he was saving Shisui's eye for Madara.


Hiruzen has shown great speed feats while in edo to instantly create 5 clones, place them perfectly apart, then instantly counter a jutsu that had already had a head start on him. He will have no problems with base minato's shunshin with the aid of enma.
Speed feat hardly means anything when someone slower than Tobirama, who is slower than Minato on foot can almost blitz SM Naruto from a similar distance, and Hiruzen's reaction speed is not on par with SM Naruto's. So he gets done the same way.


FTg is the only problem, but with clones and Baku the kunais should be rounded up into one spot.

If clones try to round up the Kunai, they get blitzed and killed off in a heartbeat. Baku's suction is countered by Bunta spitting a boatload of oil into it's mouth, or Minato simply teleports out of it's suction range if he has Kunai laid around the battlefield.
 

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:what: No you did not just say Baku is 10x the size of Bunta? WTF?! Did you really just use sasukes v3 susanoo a measuring stone here :lmao: That version of susanoo is roughly 3x the height of Sasuke. How small do you think Gamabunta is?

Also what does size have to do with anything here? When Bunta already pinned down 100% kurama, are you trying to say Baku is remotely anywhere near as strong as 100% kurama or as durable?

Are stones and trees sticky? No they are not, so why are you even mentioning it. Bakus suction turns those things into debris. Oil is liquid, Baku isn't reducing what Bunta fires at him. And this is massive volumes of oil that Bunta can spit, larger than the amount of Fire sasuke could fire.

Minato literally blitzed kurama from several hundred meters away with FCD. I can't even fathom how you'd think Baku would be a problem. . Also who told you food cart destroyer requires et user to get above the target? When has it even been shown that the summoner needed to get above the target? "The strength of the fall varies depending on the caster. In the case of someone like Jiraiya from the Sannin, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target, further adding the great gravitational force of a good several hundred meters high dive to the Toad's own weight!!"

Jesus, people need to chill at my exaggeration smh. I was simply pointing out that Baku is larger and isn't being flat out 'crushed', not that it matters because FCD is never happening here.

What does Oil being sticky have to do with anything? Unless you have a reason as to why having oil inside his stomach will kill him when many rocks and trees have no effect on him, there's no arguing here. Sure, he might eventually die, but that it won't change anything since Minato will still reach the insides of Baku and Danzo just needs to reverse summon Baku at that point and it's gg. And what @bold? Sasuke's Katon grows to do huge damage due to the wind's amplification. Oil will be unaffected by suction, and it'll end up in his stomach without much effect on him (for the time being at least). It won't be a one shot technique, it's just going to be oil flowing into his stomach; no different from trees and rocks as they are both foreign and dangerous substances. And stones/trees become debris? The fūck? They are still in their constituent pieces in his stomach and would naturally do much more immediate internal damage then a sticky substance like oil.

Lol. It is commonly accepted that he Hirashin'd there given the abundance of Hirashin markings he had in the village. Show me a scan of FCD being used atop of a target while Jiraiya is summoning from ground-level or below wherever the target is and then we'll talk. Until then FCD is not a S/T technique and the user appearing atop of the summon is simply there because he was on top in the first place (thus no S/T like you are suggesting).

Lmao, "Baku is 10x the size of Bunta"... Bunta is literally Bijuu sized man.

Lol at people picking at this particular point, thinking they are taking away from the rest of my argument. You know it was an exaggeration Wursta. Don't let me make a daily expose thread and make you look like Forest Gump with all the stupid shit you say on Skype.
 
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