Will Boruto or Sarada inherit Sasuke's Rinnegan?

[Liquid Snake]

I have a lot, more than you could handle at one time with your little brain. The point is I'm tired of explaining the same things over and over again at almost every point to stupid and ignorant Naruto fans like you, because you people see things very superficially and not the detailed comprehension like us. Also, even if I explain to you, you'll never sway your perspective. So all my attempts will go futile. Explaining the obvious over and over again without reaching to conclusions had made me avert this topic.

Stfu u idiot all u have to do is prove how the rinnegan is stronger than senjutsu it's not about naruto and sasuke u dumb **** . Senjutsu is the strongest tool in nv because it is limitless it's infinite it even has attacks the rinnegan can't see yet can counter the rinnegans invisible move like limbo .naruto in sm even countered nagatos black rod up close just another time senjutsu overpowered the rinnegan jirayia with senjutsu even defeated a couple pains all had rinnegan so when u say the rinnegan is the strongest it's u being biased because sasuke has it and ur being an ignorant fanboy dumb ass

 

[SatanicGod]

I felt that when Sasuke is in his dotage, he may pass on his Rinnegan to either Boruto or Sarada. Then, they will pass it on throughout their generation. Naruto might pass on Kurama's chakra as well.

Kurama is a living being, a friend of Naruto's... Naruto isn't going to pass down a friend through his family's generations. :| he is going to let Kurama free on his deathbed

 

[SatanicGod]

Obito had trouble controlling 1. Sasuke's rinnegan will a completely different story. Sarada is the closest to pure Uzumaki and in combination to her uchiha dna she would be the better choice. Even that might not be enough.

Besides, if anyone us getting it, it would logically be sarada. She already has the sharingan, and sasuke would want to keep it in the family(if he ever decided to pass it on).

On the other hand, his rinnegan is the only thing that can summon the gedo mazo. So it's too dangerous to leave behind. He will probably choose to seal it away before his death or destroy it even.

The Maid is the mother...

 

[SatanicGod]

Actually senjutsu is the strongest tool in nv

Last time somebody tried fighting a Rinnegan user with nothing but senjutsu attacks, the senjutsu user put up good fight, but ultimately lost at the end, and had to be saved by his future wife. Now put the Rinnegan in the eyes of a person who naturally awakened it, and it'll be a stomp. I can bring the manga facts if you wish

 

[SatanicGod]

Naruto beat sasuke with senjutsu and sasuke had rinnegan and all bijuus the rinnegan can't hurt the juubi jin also sasuke with rinnegan couldn't lay a finger on kaguya when naruto used his senjutsu to fight and counter her Wtf u talking about

Naruto beat Sasuke with a Biju and Rikudo senjutsu

 

[SatanicGod]

What did I say that wasn't the truth show a scan with sasuke hitting kaguya and naruto clearly beat rinnegan sasuke with senjutsu gathered by kurama so how could the rinnegan be stronger u fool if nagato with rinnegan lost to senjutsu juubito lost to senjutsu he had rinnegan and kaguya slapped sasuke around who had rinnegan and struggled with naruto manga facts deal with it

Kml Nagato defeated senjutsu

 

[FemmeFatale]

If he dies, sakura will seal him in her byakugan

 

[DeeaRose]

no bc kishi is done with naruto so we will never know

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Stfu u idiot all u have to do is prove how the rinnegan is stronger than senjutsu it's not about naruto and sasuke u dumb **** . Senjutsu is the strongest tool in nv because it is limitless it's infinite it even has attacks the rinnegan can't see yet can counter the rinnegans invisible move like limbo .naruto in sm even countered nagatos black rod up close just another time senjutsu overpowered the rinnegan jirayia with senjutsu even defeated a couple pains all had rinnegan so when u say the rinnegan is the strongest it's u being biased because sasuke has it and ur being an ignorant fanboy dumb ass

No need to get all worked up, dude. Calm the hell down. I can prove Rinnegan superior to Senjutsu, that's not the issue. But it's simply useless against people like you, and all my time and efforts will be in vain. Even if I prove it, it won't sway your perspective even a little. You won't understand even that due to being biased in nature. Or you'll simply ignore everything I say and bury it under your own bullshit ideas, because it does not come to terms with your point of view. You're not the kind who accepts. I have countered multiple people like you on this base. Even my previous encounter with you gave me the same impression about you. I'd have no problem explaining it to any sensible and understanding person. All the @bold statements makes me confident in my decision and just show why you aren't worth explaining.

 

[Nemesis Uchiha]

Guys don't forget rinnegan that obito possess is normal Rinnegan while Sasuke rinnegan is has tomae which is not awaken by normal person so I don't think anyone other than real awaken person can handle it

 

[Liquid Snake]

Kml Nagato defeated senjutsu

No he didn't naruto won the fight

 

[Liquid Snake]

No need to get all worked up, dude. Calm the hell down. I can prove Rinnegan superior to Senjutsu, that's not the issue. But it's simply useless against people like you, and all my time and efforts will be in vain. Even if I prove it, it won't sway your perspective even a little. You won't understand even that due to being biased in nature. Or you'll simply ignore everything I say and bury it under your own bullshit ideas, because it does not come to terms with your point of view. You're not the kind who accepts. I have countered multiple people like you on this base. Even my previous encounter with you gave me the same impression about you. I'd have no problem explaining it to any sensible and understanding person. All the @bold statements makes me confident in my decision and just show why you aren't worth explaining.

I'm willing to listen just prove it if u can I'll admit being wrong I'm not biased I'm goin by what I seen in the manga

 

[Liquid Snake]

Naruto beat Sasuke with a Biju and Rikudo senjutsu

Sasuke had bijuus sorry fool and regardless it's still senjutsu sasuke had rikudou rinnegan

 

[Liquid Snake]

Last time somebody tried fighting a Rinnegan user with nothing but senjutsu attacks, the senjutsu user put up good fight, but ultimately lost at the end, and had to be saved by his future wife. Now put the Rinnegan in the eyes of a person who naturally awakened it, and it'll be a stomp. I can bring the manga facts if you wish

Naruto didn't even master senjutsu then he could barely hold it for long and he fought 6 different ppl and in the end it was sm naruto that won the fight and in just sm he blitzed madara and cut the juubi tree and sasuke awakened his rinnegan and lost to naruto who just used senjutsu and kurama and its safe to say sasuke was the strongest rinnegan wielder at the time

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I'm willing to listen just prove it if u can I'll admit being wrong I'm not biased I'm goin by what I seen in the manga

Okay, so if you have that resolve, then I'll probably give it a shot...

To compare Sage Mode to the Rinnegan, let me first give you a little insight of the Naruto vs Pain fight:

1. Nagato was an Uzumaki i.e. he wasn't the original owner of the Rinnegan. This means that he couldn't use the Rinnegan to its maximum capacity since only the original owner can utilize the full potential of the Rinnegan.

2. In addition, Nagato was using the Six Paths of Pain. This means that his chakra was being distributed evenly among every Path, so every Path received 1/6 of Nagato's chakra, which means that Nagato could only use 1/6 of the total power of his jutsus from each Path using the Six Paths of Pain.

3. On top of that, Nagato was channeling his chakra to the Six Paths of Pain, so the strength and speed of his jutsus was considerably decreased.

4. On top of already not being able to use Rinnegan's full potential, and then using only 1/6 of total power which is further weakened by decreased strength and speed of jutsus, Nagato had already used so much chakra in his battle against Konoha. He fought so many shinobis including Kakashi, not to mention the almighty Shinra Tensei which destroyed the entire village. All this activity prior to his fight with Naruto consumed a huge amount of chakra, so he didn't start his fight with full chakra level or stamina.

5. On top of already not being able to use Rinnegan's full potential, and then using only 1/6 of total power which is further weakened by decreased strength and speed of jutsus, and having used so much chakra before and slight exhaustion, and even on top of losing all the other Paths including the regeneration Path as the fight continued, he easily fought Naruto and effortlessly pinned him down using only the Deva Path.

6. Even after all the aforementioned reasons, and fighting with only the Deva Path, he could have easily killed SM Naruto, only if he wanted to. Since Naruto was a jinchuuriki, he couldn't kill Naruto. So, Naruto had a tremendous advantage due to this restriction.

Therefore, the conclusion until now:
Deva Path only (without Rinnegan's full potential, with an immensely depleted chakra reserves and considerably exhausted, and the strength and speed of his jutsus decreased, and even having no intention of killing Naruto) > SM Naruto

7. So now we have a severely weakened, exhausted and low on chakra reserves Pain (Deva Path only, mind you) who can't use the maximum strength and speed of his jutsus, and can't even use Rinnegan's full potential, and has no intention of killing Naruto, even after that he was able to counter Naruto's six tailed form, full of rage, and fought on par with him, and eventually even dominated Naruto's six tailed form using Chibaku Tensei.

Conclusion till now:
Deva Path ONLY (without Rinnegan's full potential, weakened, exhausted and low on chakra, decreased strength and speed of jutsus, plus no intention of killing Naruto) > SM Naruto + Six Tailed form (enraged)

8. Even after ALL THAT, Naruto was completely owned by Pain. So he had to push further and unleash the eight tailed form, only then he was able to fight back Pain with the upper hand.

Let's summarize again now:
SM Naruto + EIGHT Tailed form (enraged) > Deva Path ONLY (can't use the Rinnegan's full potential, weakened, exhausted and considerably low on chakra, decreased strength and speed of jutsus, plus no intention of killing Naruto)

OK, so that's what it takes for SM Naruto including immense assistance from Kurama to overpower Pain (Deva Path only) who had so many disadvantages on his side and couldn't even utilize Rinnegan's full potential. Impressive!

9. Even after all that, Naruto completely ran out of Sage Mode while Nagato still had enough chakra to revive so many of Konoha's shinobis. Even then if Nagato wished to destroy Naruto, he could have easily done that, unless Kurama intervened again to save Naruto.

That's a summary of their fight. BTW, we've already seen how well Nagato (who couldn't even utilize Rinnegan's full potential) could handle Naruto, Bee and Itachi combined and completely owned them, during the war. If it weren't for Itachi's timely Totsuka Blade sealing and timely saving Naruto and Bee on time, they would've been in serious trouble. That my friend, is a glimpse at the power of the Rinnegan. Sage Mode is almost nothing compared to the Rinnegan.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Okay, so if you have that resolve, then I'll probably give it a shot...

To compare Sage Mode to the Rinnegan, let me first give you a little insight of the Naruto vs Pain fight:

1. Nagato was an Uzumaki i.e. he wasn't the original owner of the Rinnegan. This means that he couldn't use the Rinnegan to its maximum capacity since only the original owner can utilize the full potential of the Rinnegan.

2. In addition, Nagato was using the Six Paths of Pain. This means that his chakra was being distributed evenly among every Path, so every Path received 1/6 of Nagato's chakra, which means that Nagato could only use 1/6 of the total power of his jutsus from each Path using the Six Paths of Pain.

3. On top of that, Nagato was channeling his chakra to the Six Paths of Pain, so the strength and speed of his jutsus was considerably decreased.

4. On top of already not being able to use Rinnegan's full potential, and then using only 1/6 of total power which is further weakened by decreased strength and speed of jutsus, Nagato had already used so much chakra in his battle against Konoha. He fought so many shinobis including Kakashi, not to mention the almighty Shinra Tensei which destroyed the entire village. All this activity prior to his fight with Naruto consumed a huge amount of chakra, so he didn't start his fight with full chakra level or stamina.

5. On top of already not being able to use Rinnegan's full potential, and then using only 1/6 of total power which is further weakened by decreased strength and speed of jutsus, and having used so much chakra before and slight exhaustion, and even on top of losing all the other Paths including the regeneration Path as the fight continued, he easily fought Naruto and effortlessly pinned him down using only the Deva Path.

6. Even after all the aforementioned reasons, and fighting with only the Deva Path, he could have easily killed SM Naruto, only if he wanted to. Since Naruto was a jinchuuriki, he couldn't kill Naruto. So, Naruto had a tremendous advantage due to this restriction.

Therefore, the conclusion until now:
Deva Path only (without Rinnegan's full potential, with an immensely depleted chakra reserves and considerably exhausted, and the strength and speed of his jutsus decreased, and even having no intention of killing Naruto) > SM Naruto

7. So now we have a severely weakened, exhausted and low on chakra reserves Pain (Deva Path only, mind you) who can't use the maximum strength and speed of his jutsus, and can't even use Rinnegan's full potential, and has no intention of killing Naruto, even after that he was able to counter Naruto's six tailed form, full of rage, and fought on par with him, and eventually even dominated Naruto's six tailed form using Chibaku Tensei.

Conclusion till now:
Deva Path ONLY (without Rinnegan's full potential, weakened, exhausted and low on chakra, decreased strength and speed of jutsus, plus no intention of killing Naruto) > SM Naruto + Six Tailed form (enraged)

8. Even after ALL THAT, Naruto was completely owned by Pain. So he had to push further and unleash the eight tailed form, only then he was able to fight back Pain with the upper hand.

Let's summarize again now:
SM Naruto + EIGHT Tailed form (enraged) > Deva Path ONLY (can't use the Rinnegan's full potential, weakened, exhausted and considerably low on chakra, decreased strength and speed of jutsus, plus no intention of killing Naruto)

OK, so that's what it takes for SM Naruto including immense assistance from Kurama to overpower Pain (Deva Path only) who had so many disadvantages on his side and couldn't even utilize Rinnegan's full potential. Impressive!

9. Even after all that, Naruto completely ran out of Sage Mode while Nagato still had enough chakra to revive so many of Konoha's shinobis. Even then if Nagato wished to destroy Naruto, he could have easily done that, unless Kurama intervened again to save Naruto.

That's a summary of their fight. BTW, we've already seen how well Nagato (who couldn't even utilize Rinnegan's full potential) could handle Naruto, Bee and Itachi combined and completely owned them, during the war. If it weren't for Itachi's timely Totsuka Blade sealing and timely saving Naruto and Bee on time, they would've been in serious trouble. That my friend, is a glimpse at the power of the Rinnegan. Sage Mode is almost nothing compared to the Rinnegan.

I see u have good points but still kind of flawed yes nagato couldn't fully utilize the rinnegan power but naruto didn't fully master senjutsu with that in mind I still think nagato was stronger than naruto at the time no question but if naruto had trained longer he might have been able to beat pain without kurama even pain acknowledged that jirayia had he known about pains bodies he would have won. Also an example of senjutsu beating the rinnegan is when naruto fought sasuke naruto had only kurama left while sasuke had all 9 bijuus which means he had kurama to so it's now naruto vs sasuke and 8 beasts and rinnegan naruto gathered senjutsu to counter 8 tail beast and the rinnegan powers also he had the same handicap as pain he wasn't tryin to kill sasuke . But u can say we are both right in some circumstances senjutsu wins others the rinnegan wins

 

[SatanicGod]

No he didn't naruto won the fight

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This was the end of SM Naruto against Pein, then it became Hinata vs Pein (if you even call that stomp a fight) then it became Kyubi vs Pein (Pein got worn down fighting against Kyubi and was lucky Minato resealed Kyubi when he did) then it became a SM Naruto vs a worn down Pein

 

[Liquid Snake]

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This was the end of SM Naruto against Pein, then it became Hinata vs Pein (if you even call that stomp a fight) then it became Kyubi vs Pein (Pein got worn down fighting against Kyubi and was lucky Minato resealed Kyubi when he did) then it became a SM Naruto vs a worn down Pein

That's after naruto took down 5 pains and naruto hadn't fully mastered senjutsu either way the outcome was naruto won hinata helped naruto but u had five other pains helping tendo pain and all are visually linked also b4 naruto was summoned to konoha he was training so I doubt he was 100% also he had to adjust on the fly fighting while getting information about pain but still the sm naruto that cut the juubi tree stomps nagato with senjutsu

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I see u have good points but still kind of flawed yes nagato couldn't fully utilize the rinnegan power but naruto didn't fully master senjutsu with that in mind I still think nagato was stronger than naruto at the time no question but if naruto had trained longer he might have been able to beat pain without kurama even pain acknowledged that jirayia had he known about pains bodies he would have won. Also an example of senjutsu beating the rinnegan is when naruto fought sasuke naruto had only kurama left while sasuke had all 9 bijuus which means he had kurama to so it's now naruto vs sasuke and 8 beasts and rinnegan naruto gathered senjutsu to counter 8 tail beast and the rinnegan powers also he had the same handicap as pain he wasn't tryin to kill sasuke . But u can say we are both right in some circumstances senjutsu wins others the rinnegan wins

No, you're mistaken on this. It isn't flawed as you think. The reason I gave a complete countdown of all the reasons that Rinnegan was superior to Sage Mode wasn't to simply show that Rinnegan > Sage Mode. It was to precisely show that Rinnegan >>>>> Sage Mode. Even if Naruto mastered SM to its maximum extent like he did in the war, Naruto could only narrow that margin slightly i.e. Rinnegan >>>> SM. Not more than that.

Fully mastered SM < KCM. And Nagato who couldn't even use Rinnegan's full potential demolished KCM Naruto (stronger than fully mastered SM) and even a perfect jinchuuriki Bee, and was about to kill them single handedly had Itachi not saved them, and later on gave KCM Naruto, Eight Tails Bee and MS Itachi combined a very tough time.

Therefore, Rinnegan (without full potential) >> KCM Naruto + Killer Bee (Hachibi's perfect jinchuuriki). And after Itachi joined the fight, Rinnegan (without full potential) > KCM Naruto + Killer Bee (Hachibi's perfect jinchuuriki) + MS Itachi. That is the power of the Rinnegan.

RSM is a different case though. It's a completely new and extremely powerful form of Sage Mode, and considerably increased in power compared to regular SM, so the margin between the power of Senjutsu and Rinnegan is immensely decreased to almost non-existent. But Sasuke's Tomoe Rinnegan being slightly special compared to regular Rinnegan (which is roughly equal to RSM) and holding more powers again takes the edge compared to RSM, but not a huge one (like regular Rinnegan vs regular SM).

BTW, answer me this question. Why do you think Madara was so adamant about gaining his other Rinnegan as soon as possible when fighting Naruto and Sasuke despite having full power of RSM being the Juubi's jinchuuriki? I'd like to see your perspective on this.

Madara after gaining both his Rinnegan was able to fight on par with Naruto and Sasuke after obtaining the Sage's endowment. That's how powerful the Rinnegan can get. I'd give some credit to RSM as well since it empowered Madara's jutsus, but the fact that Madara used Rinnegan as the main tool of fighting Naruto and Sasuke and was in such as hurry to obtain both the Rinnegans as soon as possible despite having RSM just shows the superiority of the Rinnegan over RSM.

But before jumping over to RSM and Tomoe Rinnegan comparison, I'd like to address some misconceptions that you apparently have regarding some aspects of the VOTE 2 fight. I'd like you to read this:

Sasuke can create BijuuPS and its powers without the Bijuus:

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I'll explain it to you in two ways:

1.

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Firstly, you must understand that the potency of the Six Paths chakra that Sasuke possesses is proportionate to the Ten Tails chakra (or the Bijuus chakra). It was clearly shown in Naruto and Sasuke's fight against Madara that Naruto's Six Paths Sage chakra and Sasuke's Six Paths chakra rivaled the power of the Ten Tails chakra.

Let's see these equations:

Bijuus chakra = Juubi's chakra (Obvious manga fact)

Juubi's chakra = Six Paths Senjutsu chakra (When Naruto first confronted Madara after receiving powers from Hagoromo, Madara acquainted that Naruto awakened the Six Paths Senjutsu which he already possessed)

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Six Paths Senjutsu chakra = Six Paths Yang chakra + Kurama's chakra + a portion of 9 Bijuus chakra + Senjutsu chakra (Naruto received Six Paths Yang chakra from Hagoromo and added Bijuus chakra to that and combined that with Senjutsu chakra as evident from Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode activation)

Six Paths Yang chakra + Bijuus chakra + Senjutsu chakra = Six Paths Yin chakra (Sasuke had the Six Paths Yin chakra and its power was similar to Naruto's Six Paths Senjutsu chakra as shown constantly throughout the manga)

From all the above equations, we can conclude:
Six Paths Yin chakra = Bijuus chakra

In their final fight, Sasuke was extremely low if not completely out of Six Paths chakra (you can't argue with that since it was very much evident, he fought Madara and Kaguya almost entirely with Six Paths chakra and was losing control of his Rinnegan due to that, and he didn't have surplus supplies of chakra like Naruto's Kurama, so he'd definitely last much shorter than Naruto in battle). Since Sasuke lacked Six Paths chakra, he couldn't use his most powerful techniques to fight Naruto. He needed an alternative of parallel power to the Six Paths chakra to produce the "BijuuPS" and Indra's Arrow, and that was apparently the Bijuus chakra. He only used the Bijuus chakra at that time because he was out of Six Paths chakra, but required to use techniques that required Six Paths chakra or an alternative of comparable power. It was clearly a temporary requirement. He doesn't need it anymore because it only substituted the Six Paths chakra which is no longer absent, since Sasuke will have sufficient supplies of Six Paths chakra next time.

Now, the form of Susanoo Sasuke creates with this won't exactly be the "BijuuPS" but an equivalent version. It won't necessarily look similar to the BijuusPS. But it will undoubtedly be stronger than PS and equivalent in power to the BijuuPS. It will also be able to use techniques that require BijuuPS like Indra's Arrow.

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The first part was an analysis. Now we'll proceed to this part which is more of a mathematical derivation (which will explain and clarify my point further).

Let's see the equations:

Indra's chakra + EMS = PS (Evident manga fact, both Madara and Sasuke demonstrated this)

Six Paths chakra + MS = PS (If Six Paths chakra is used then only the MS can create PS, both Kakashi and Sasuke demonstrated this)

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But what about...
Six Paths chakra + EMS = ?

And now coming to the point, if MS can create PS, what will EMS bring out in conjunction with the Six Paths chakra? Obviously, something greater than the PS. Something equal to BijuuPS (because Bijuus chakra = Six Paths chakra as I explained). It may or may not look like the BijuuPS but will definitely possess similar power. So Sasuke can also use Indra's Arrow with this Ultimate Susanoo. It will rival Naruto's 3 faced Kurama Avatar. But the 3 faced Kurama Avatar will only manifest after a huge amount of natural energy is gathered. Whereas Sasuke can manifest the Ultimate Susanoo whenever he desires, almost immediately if it's so required. Naruto better be lucky enough to gather all the natural energy in time to create the 3 faced Kurama Avatar if they fight again since Sasuke will be full on Six Paths chakra and can create BijuuPS anytime.

Difference between Naruto's Kurama and Sasuke's 9 Bijuus:

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Firstly, Sasuke didn't absorb ALL of the Bijuus chakra. He only absorbed a portion of their chakra and merged them. He didn't collect the entire chakra of the Bijuus in Susanoo.

Secondly, Sasuke merged all of the Bijuus chakra to form the Juubi's chakra. He didn't have all of that chakra individually. Also, he couldn't use any of the powers related to any Bijuu or even the Juubi.

Thirdly, Sasuke didn't absorb the Bijuus chakra into himself, he only collected them within Susanoo. This means that he couldn't utilize any of that chakra for his regular jutsus, he could only use it for Susanoo and its jutsus. This also means that after the massive clash of Indra's Arrow and supercharged Senpou Bijuudama Rasenshurikens, Sasuke lost possession of the Bijuus chakra since the vessel (Susanoo) holding it was destroyed, but Naruto still had Kurama's chakra.

Fourthly, as I previously explained, Sasuke only collected the Bijuus chakra within his Susanoo as a substitute of his own Six Paths chakra, because he needed to use his most powerful techniques in order to kill Naruto but he couldn't use them because he didn't have enough of the Six Paths chakra to produce BijuuPS and Indra's Arrow. If Sasuke had sufficient Six Paths chakra to use those techniques, he wouldn't need the Bijuus chakra. It was only the requirement of the time because it only compensated for the lacking Six Paths chakra, it was nothing more than surplus supplies of chakra. And he was only lacking in Six Paths chakra because he has less reserves of chakra compared to Naruto (thanks to Kurama and other Bijuus) and that's why Naruto has the advantage in drawn out battles.

Fifthly, Sasuke only had the Bijuus chakra, not their power like Naruto has. Which means Sasuke can only utilize the Bijuus chakra for his own techniques, that also not all, only the techniques exclusive to Susanoo. But Naruto has the entire arsenal of the Bijuus powers in addition to their chakra. So he can also utilize Bijuus chakra for all his own techniques and also for any of the Bijuus techniques. Sasuke can't even use the Bijuus techniques.

Sixthly, Kurama can personally collect natural energy to empower its chakra in conjunction with Naruto's Six Paths chakra unlike Sasuke's Bijuus chakra. Sasuke's Bijuus chakra remains same in state.

Seventhly, Kurama can work for Naruto in the background i.e. collect natural energy for him while he's busy in battle. Which gives Naruto a considerable advantage over Sasuke in that regard. Sasuke's Bijuus chakra can't do that.

Therefore, Naruto's Kurama is nothing like Sasuke's portion of 9 Bijuus. Just having a portion of chakra of 9 Bijuus i.e. a portion of Juubi's chakra doesn't mean Sasuke has 9x more power compared to Naruto. So that still doesn't prove the superiority of Senjutsu over Rinnegan. You're only calculating Sasuke's advantage by mere numbers which is very optimistic and completely flawed way to calculate their power.

Naruto was using his full power:

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Some people think that Naruto wasn't serious or that he was holding back because he said that he didn't want to kill Sasuke, which is completely wrong. Just because he said he didn't want to kill Sasuke doesn't mean he was holding back. Neither does it imply that he wasn't serious.

Just because Sasuke said that Naruto couldn't kill him like that but Naruto didn't say the same about Sasuke doesn't mean that only Naruto was holding back. He didn't want to kill Sasuke so he never made the first move. But when Sasuke made his move, he countered it with his full power i.e. relative to the power Sasuke used against him. This doesn't mean he was holding back. He was using his powers respective to Sasuke's powers. He just didn't make the first move since he didn't want to kill Sasuke. And didn't do anything prior to Sasuke. That's all, but the power level was similar and comparable throughout for both Naruto and Sasuke.

At some points, Sasuke said that Naruto could not kill him coming at that level. He only said that to urge Naruto to utilize his full power, so that the fight could be a real fight. Naruto wasn't coming with full force because he didn't want to kill Sasuke. So Sasuke didn't feel like the fight was a real fight. He was only urging Naruto to use his full power first so that Sasuke could also use his full power. The fact is that even Sasuke wasn't using his full power at that time. He was waiting for Naruto to use his maximum before he himself switched to his strongest form, but Naruto didn't want to go to maximum power (because he knew that it would be devastating for both of them if they fought at maximum power and he was right), so Sasuke forced Naruto into using his full power by himself using his full power. Naruto had no option but to counter Sasuke with his full power. So yeah, Naruto was using all he had against Sasuke.

Yes, Naruto didn't want to kill Sasuke, that's why he didn't make the first move, but when Sasuke made his move, Naruto responded with similar power. Yes, Naruto didn't want to kill Sasuke that's why he didn't go full power on Sasuke, but when Sasuke went full power, Naruto also went full power. You can't use Naruto's statement that he didn't want to kill Sasuke as a defensive excuse of similar context that Naruto wasn't serious of that he was holding back. Naruto was fighting with his maximum power i.e. all he had. He wasn't holding back. That was his only chance of stalemating with Sasuke without killing him.

Power relation between Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's Rinnegan:

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The Uchihas are known for their powerful chakra. Senjus/Uzumakis need to combine their chakra with Senjutsu to attain similar power.
Senjutsu does two things:
1. Multiplies the power of the user's chakra by mixing it with natural energy, which in turn empowers all the jutsus to rival Uchiha's naturally powerful chakra and correspondingly powerful jutsu. But it also drains the chakra more heavily for the same reason as an associated drawback which increases chakra consumption, so they do not get the advantage of higher chakra quantity in conjunction with Senjutsu. So that basically gives up higher chakra quantity in exchange for higher chakra quality.
2. Enhances physical attributes and abilities like strength, speed, reflexes, durability etc. As well as sensory abilities.

Point 1 puts SM Naruto on par with 3T Sasuke because of similarly powerful chakra and similar abilities (if we remove other points out of the equation for a moment). But Point 2 gives SM Naruto the advantage over 3T Sasuke, so Sasuke needs MS to compensate for that. And MS doesn't only compensate for that, it puts MS Sasuke ahead of SM Naruto by a small margin because Susanoo and Sasuke's MS powers are greater than SM's advantages of 3T Sasuke.

This case is basically the same thing in correspondence, only magnified to Rikodou level. Sasuke's Six Paths Yin chakra is the power counterpart of Rikodou's chakra, whereas Naruto's Six Paths Yang chakra needs to be combined with Bijuus and Senjutsu (which is basically RSM) to essentially attain similar power Sasuke has by default with the Rikodou's chakra.

Since Sage distributed his chakra evenly among Naruto and Sasuke and gave Sasuke the stronger chakra, some people may think that Naruto is at the disadvantage.
Because it appears that Naruto = Sasuke (quantity) and Naruto < Sasuke (quality).

But Naruto has the Bijuus chakra to compensate for that disadvantage. So Naruto's chakra quantity is again higher compared to Sasuke. Plus, Bijuus chakra along with Sage's chakra is a necessary requirement for RSM.
Therefore it becomes, Naruto > Sasuke (quantity) and Naruto < Sasuke (quality).

But combining it with Senjutsu improves quality of that chakra but reduces quantity (as I explained in Point 1), ultimately resulting in the same power and amount of chakra as Sasuke.
So after combining with Senjutsu, Naruto = Sasuke (quantity) and Naruto = Sasuke (quality).

Therefore, this puts RSM Naruto on par with Rikodou chakra Sasuke in terms of chakra power and amount (just like SM Naruto and 3T Sasuke).

But RSM also grants Naruto other abilities that Rikodou chakra Sasuke simply doesn't have. It grants him immensely enhanced and godly physical attributes and abilities as an addition (as I explained in Point 2). Although Sasuke's Sage chakra has similar power to Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Sage chakra, he doesn't get the same physical attributes like strength, speed, reflexes and durability like Naruto does. Plus, Naruto also gets other Rikodou and Bijuu related powers with this like Truth Seeking Balls, Tailed Beasts exclusive abilities and KGs etc as well as extraordinary sensing capability. So Sasuke compensate for all these disadvantages with his Rinnegan (Just like Sasuke equaled SM Naruto's similar advantages with his MS). And similarly, Sasuke's Rinnegan doesn't only compensate for the powers and abilities that put RSM Naruto ahead of Rikodou chakra Sasuke. It gives Sasuke an entire arsenal of abilities and powers that put Rinnegan Sasuke easily over RSM Naruto, because it gives Sasuke abilities that compensate for the abilities that put RSM Naruto over Rikodou chakra Sasuke but also grants other abilities which puts Rinnegan Sasuke over RSM Naruto in terms of abilities. Because complete Rinnegan > Naruto's RSM advantages over Rikodou chakra Sasuke.

Naruto needs all those powers to equate to Sasuke's powers. The higher number of boosts with Naruto's power only parallels to the lesser amount of boosts with Sasuke's power.

I had a few more topics to address, but I guess this is all for now. I'll talk about other aspects later.

 

[Liquid Snake]

No, you're mistaken on this. It isn't flawed as you think. The reason I gave a complete countdown of all the reasons that Rinnegan was superior to Sage Mode wasn't to simply show that Rinnegan > Sage Mode. It was to precisely show that Rinnegan >>>>> Sage Mode. Even if Naruto mastered SM to its maximum extent like he did in the war, Naruto could only narrow that margin slightly i.e. Rinnegan >>>> SM. Not more than that.

Fully mastered SM < KCM. And Nagato who couldn't even use Rinnegan's full potential demolished KCM Naruto (stronger than fully mastered SM) and even a perfect jinchuuriki Bee, and was about to kill them single handedly had Itachi not saved them, and later on gave KCM Naruto, Eight Tails Bee and MS Itachi combined a very tough time.

Therefore, Rinnegan (without full potential) >> KCM Naruto + Killer Bee (Hachibi's perfect jinchuuriki). And after Itachi joined the fight, Rinnegan (without full potential) > KCM Naruto + Killer Bee (Hachibi's perfect jinchuuriki) + MS Itachi. That is the power of the Rinnegan.

RSM is a different case though. It's a completely new and extremely powerful form of Sage Mode, and considerably increased in power compared to regular SM, so the margin between the power of Senjutsu and Rinnegan is immensely decreased to almost non-existent. But Sasuke's Tomoe Rinnegan being slightly special compared to regular Rinnegan (which is roughly equal to RSM) and holding more powers again takes the edge compared to RSM, but not a huge one (like regular Rinnegan vs regular SM).

BTW, answer me this question. Why do you think Madara was so adamant about gaining his other Rinnegan as soon as possible when fighting Naruto and Sasuke despite having full power of RSM being the Juubi's jinchuuriki? I'd like to see your perspective on this.

Madara after gaining both his Rinnegan was able to fight on par with Naruto and Sasuke after obtaining the Sage's endowment. That's how powerful the Rinnegan can get. I'd give some credit to RSM as well since it empowered Madara's jutsus, but the fact that Madara used Rinnegan as the main tool of fighting Naruto and Sasuke and was in such as hurry to obtain both the Rinnegans as soon as possible despite having RSM just shows the superiority of the Rinnegan over RSM.

But before jumping over to RSM and Tomoe Rinnegan comparison, I'd like to address some misconceptions that you apparently have regarding some aspects of the VOTE 2 fight. I'd like you to read this:

Sasuke can create BijuuPS and its powers without the Bijuus:

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I'll explain it to you in two ways:

1.

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Firstly, you must understand that the potency of the Six Paths chakra that Sasuke possesses is proportionate to the Ten Tails chakra (or the Bijuus chakra). It was clearly shown in Naruto and Sasuke's fight against Madara that Naruto's Six Paths Sage chakra and Sasuke's Six Paths chakra rivaled the power of the Ten Tails chakra.

Let's see these equations:

Bijuus chakra = Juubi's chakra (Obvious manga fact)

Juubi's chakra = Six Paths Senjutsu chakra (When Naruto first confronted Madara after receiving powers from Hagoromo, Madara acquainted that Naruto awakened the Six Paths Senjutsu which he already possessed)

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Six Paths Senjutsu chakra = Six Paths Yang chakra + Kurama's chakra + a portion of 9 Bijuus chakra + Senjutsu chakra (Naruto received Six Paths Yang chakra from Hagoromo and added Bijuus chakra to that and combined that with Senjutsu chakra as evident from Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode activation)

Six Paths Yang chakra + Bijuus chakra + Senjutsu chakra = Six Paths Yin chakra (Sasuke had the Six Paths Yin chakra and its power was similar to Naruto's Six Paths Senjutsu chakra as shown constantly throughout the manga)

From all the above equations, we can conclude:
Six Paths Yin chakra = Bijuus chakra

In their final fight, Sasuke was extremely low if not completely out of Six Paths chakra (you can't argue with that since it was very much evident, he fought Madara and Kaguya almost entirely with Six Paths chakra and was losing control of his Rinnegan due to that, and he didn't have surplus supplies of chakra like Naruto's Kurama, so he'd definitely last much shorter than Naruto in battle). Since Sasuke lacked Six Paths chakra, he couldn't use his most powerful techniques to fight Naruto. He needed an alternative of parallel power to the Six Paths chakra to produce the "BijuuPS" and Indra's Arrow, and that was apparently the Bijuus chakra. He only used the Bijuus chakra at that time because he was out of Six Paths chakra, but required to use techniques that required Six Paths chakra or an alternative of comparable power. It was clearly a temporary requirement. He doesn't need it anymore because it only substituted the Six Paths chakra which is no longer absent, since Sasuke will have sufficient supplies of Six Paths chakra next time.

Now, the form of Susanoo Sasuke creates with this won't exactly be the "BijuuPS" but an equivalent version. It won't necessarily look similar to the BijuusPS. But it will undoubtedly be stronger than PS and equivalent in power to the BijuuPS. It will also be able to use techniques that require BijuuPS like Indra's Arrow.

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The first part was an analysis. Now we'll proceed to this part which is more of a mathematical derivation (which will explain and clarify my point further).

Let's see the equations:

Indra's chakra + EMS = PS (Evident manga fact, both Madara and Sasuke demonstrated this)

Six Paths chakra + MS = PS (If Six Paths chakra is used then only the MS can create PS, both Kakashi and Sasuke demonstrated this)

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But what about...
Six Paths chakra + EMS = ?

And now coming to the point, if MS can create PS, what will EMS bring out in conjunction with the Six Paths chakra? Obviously, something greater than the PS. Something equal to BijuuPS (because Bijuus chakra = Six Paths chakra as I explained). It may or may not look like the BijuuPS but will definitely possess similar power. So Sasuke can also use Indra's Arrow with this Ultimate Susanoo. It will rival Naruto's 3 faced Kurama Avatar. But the 3 faced Kurama Avatar will only manifest after a huge amount of natural energy is gathered. Whereas Sasuke can manifest the Ultimate Susanoo whenever he desires, almost immediately if it's so required. Naruto better be lucky enough to gather all the natural energy in time to create the 3 faced Kurama Avatar if they fight again since Sasuke will be full on Six Paths chakra and can create BijuuPS anytime.

Difference between Naruto's Kurama and Sasuke's 9 Bijuus:

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Firstly, Sasuke didn't absorb ALL of the Bijuus chakra. He only absorbed a portion of their chakra and merged them. He didn't collect the entire chakra of the Bijuus in Susanoo.

Secondly, Sasuke merged all of the Bijuus chakra to form the Juubi's chakra. He didn't have all of that chakra individually. Also, he couldn't use any of the powers related to any Bijuu or even the Juubi.

Thirdly, Sasuke didn't absorb the Bijuus chakra into himself, he only collected them within Susanoo. This means that he couldn't utilize any of that chakra for his regular jutsus, he could only use it for Susanoo and its jutsus. This also means that after the massive clash of Indra's Arrow and supercharged Senpou Bijuudama Rasenshurikens, Sasuke lost possession of the Bijuus chakra since the vessel (Susanoo) holding it was destroyed, but Naruto still had Kurama's chakra.

Fourthly, as I previously explained, Sasuke only collected the Bijuus chakra within his Susanoo as a substitute of his own Six Paths chakra, because he needed to use his most powerful techniques in order to kill Naruto but he couldn't use them because he didn't have enough of the Six Paths chakra to produce BijuuPS and Indra's Arrow. If Sasuke had sufficient Six Paths chakra to use those techniques, he wouldn't need the Bijuus chakra. It was only the requirement of the time because it only compensated for the lacking Six Paths chakra, it was nothing more than surplus supplies of chakra. And he was only lacking in Six Paths chakra because he has less reserves of chakra compared to Naruto (thanks to Kurama and other Bijuus) and that's why Naruto has the advantage in drawn out battles.

Fifthly, Sasuke only had the Bijuus chakra, not their power like Naruto has. Which means Sasuke can only utilize the Bijuus chakra for his own techniques, that also not all, only the techniques exclusive to Susanoo. But Naruto has the entire arsenal of the Bijuus powers in addition to their chakra. So he can also utilize Bijuus chakra for all his own techniques and also for any of the Bijuus techniques. Sasuke can't even use the Bijuus techniques.

Sixthly, Kurama can personally collect natural energy to empower its chakra in conjunction with Naruto's Six Paths chakra unlike Sasuke's Bijuus chakra. Sasuke's Bijuus chakra remains same in state.

Seventhly, Kurama can work for Naruto in the background i.e. collect natural energy for him while he's busy in battle. Which gives Naruto a considerable advantage over Sasuke in that regard. Sasuke's Bijuus chakra can't do that.

Therefore, Naruto's Kurama is nothing like Sasuke's portion of 9 Bijuus. Just having a portion of chakra of 9 Bijuus i.e. a portion of Juubi's chakra doesn't mean Sasuke has 9x more power compared to Naruto. So that still doesn't prove the superiority of Senjutsu over Rinnegan. You're only calculating Sasuke's advantage by mere numbers which is very optimistic and completely flawed way to calculate their power.

Naruto was using his full power:

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Some people think that Naruto wasn't serious or that he was holding back because he said that he didn't want to kill Sasuke, which is completely wrong. Just because he said he didn't want to kill Sasuke doesn't mean he was holding back. Neither does it imply that he wasn't serious.

Just because Sasuke said that Naruto couldn't kill him like that but Naruto didn't say the same about Sasuke doesn't mean that only Naruto was holding back. He didn't want to kill Sasuke so he never made the first move. But when Sasuke made his move, he countered it with his full power i.e. relative to the power Sasuke used against him. This doesn't mean he was holding back. He was using his powers respective to Sasuke's powers. He just didn't make the first move since he didn't want to kill Sasuke. And didn't do anything prior to Sasuke. That's all, but the power level was similar and comparable throughout for both Naruto and Sasuke.

At some points, Sasuke said that Naruto could not kill him coming at that level. He only said that to urge Naruto to utilize his full power, so that the fight could be a real fight. Naruto wasn't coming with full force because he didn't want to kill Sasuke. So Sasuke didn't feel like the fight was a real fight. He was only urging Naruto to use his full power first so that Sasuke could also use his full power. The fact is that even Sasuke wasn't using his full power at that time. He was waiting for Naruto to use his maximum before he himself switched to his strongest form, but Naruto didn't want to go to maximum power (because he knew that it would be devastating for both of them if they fought at maximum power and he was right), so Sasuke forced Naruto into using his full power by himself using his full power. Naruto had no option but to counter Sasuke with his full power. So yeah, Naruto was using all he had against Sasuke.

Yes, Naruto didn't want to kill Sasuke, that's why he didn't make the first move, but when Sasuke made his move, Naruto responded with similar power. Yes, Naruto didn't want to kill Sasuke that's why he didn't go full power on Sasuke, but when Sasuke went full power, Naruto also went full power. You can't use Naruto's statement that he didn't want to kill Sasuke as a defensive excuse of similar context that Naruto wasn't serious of that he was holding back. Naruto was fighting with his maximum power i.e. all he had. He wasn't holding back. That was his only chance of stalemating with Sasuke without killing him.

Power relation between Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's Rinnegan:

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The Uchihas are known for their powerful chakra. Senjus/Uzumakis need to combine their chakra with Senjutsu to attain similar power.
Senjutsu does two things:
1. Multiplies the power of the user's chakra by mixing it with natural energy, which in turn empowers all the jutsus to rival Uchiha's naturally powerful chakra and correspondingly powerful jutsu. But it also drains the chakra more heavily for the same reason as an associated drawback which increases chakra consumption, so they do not get the advantage of higher chakra quantity in conjunction with Senjutsu. So that basically gives up higher chakra quantity in exchange for higher chakra quality.
2. Enhances physical attributes and abilities like strength, speed, reflexes, durability etc. As well as sensory abilities.

Point 1 puts SM Naruto on par with 3T Sasuke because of similarly powerful chakra and similar abilities (if we remove other points out of the equation for a moment). But Point 2 gives SM Naruto the advantage over 3T Sasuke, so Sasuke needs MS to compensate for that. And MS doesn't only compensate for that, it puts MS Sasuke ahead of SM Naruto by a small margin because Susanoo and Sasuke's MS powers are greater than SM's advantages of 3T Sasuke.

This case is basically the same thing in correspondence, only magnified to Rikodou level. Sasuke's Six Paths Yin chakra is the power counterpart of Rikodou's chakra, whereas Naruto's Six Paths Yang chakra needs to be combined with Bijuus and Senjutsu (which is basically RSM) to essentially attain similar power Sasuke has by default with the Rikodou's chakra.

Since Sage distributed his chakra evenly among Naruto and Sasuke and gave Sasuke the stronger chakra, some people may think that Naruto is at the disadvantage.
Because it appears that Naruto = Sasuke (quantity) and Naruto < Sasuke (quality).

But Naruto has the Bijuus chakra to compensate for that disadvantage. So Naruto's chakra quantity is again higher compared to Sasuke. Plus, Bijuus chakra along with Sage's chakra is a necessary requirement for RSM.
Therefore it becomes, Naruto > Sasuke (quantity) and Naruto < Sasuke (quality).

But combining it with Senjutsu improves quality of that chakra but reduces quantity (as I explained in Point 1), ultimately resulting in the same power and amount of chakra as Sasuke.
So after combining with Senjutsu, Naruto = Sasuke (quantity) and Naruto = Sasuke (quality).

Therefore, this puts RSM Naruto on par with Rikodou chakra Sasuke in terms of chakra power and amount (just like SM Naruto and 3T Sasuke).

But RSM also grants Naruto other abilities that Rikodou chakra Sasuke simply doesn't have. It grants him immensely enhanced and godly physical attributes and abilities as an addition (as I explained in Point 2). Although Sasuke's Sage chakra has similar power to Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Sage chakra, he doesn't get the same physical attributes like strength, speed, reflexes and durability like Naruto does. Plus, Naruto also gets other Rikodou and Bijuu related powers with this like Truth Seeking Balls, Tailed Beasts exclusive abilities and KGs etc as well as extraordinary sensing capability. So Sasuke compensate for all these disadvantages with his Rinnegan (Just like Sasuke equaled SM Naruto's similar advantages with his MS). And similarly, Sasuke's Rinnegan doesn't only compensate for the powers and abilities that put RSM Naruto ahead of Rikodou chakra Sasuke. It gives Sasuke an entire arsenal of abilities and powers that put Rinnegan Sasuke easily over RSM Naruto, because it gives Sasuke abilities that compensate for the abilities that put RSM Naruto over Rikodou chakra Sasuke but also grants other abilities which puts Rinnegan Sasuke over RSM Naruto in terms of abilities. Because complete Rinnegan > Naruto's RSM advantages over Rikodou chakra Sasuke.

Naruto needs all those powers to equate to Sasuke's powers. The higher number of boosts with Naruto's power only parallels to the lesser amount of boosts with Sasuke's power.

I had a few more topics to address, but I guess this is all for now. I'll talk about other aspects later.

The only reason naruto couldn't defeat madara by himself because he had senjutsu and the rinnegan but had madara only used rinnegan naruto would have won senjutsu basically gives the user all the counters to the rinnegan also the rinnegan has no way to beat a juubi jin how can it be the strongest tool . And yes nagato defeat kcm naruto but that's not with sm had it been bsm naruto I doubt that would have happened since nagato snuck up on naruto because he couldn't sense nagatos summon but sm would have allowed him to counter . And how do u know how much chakra sasuke took from the tailed beast? How do u know he didn't take it all and the chakra he took from them helped him fight on par with naruto who was worn out from fighting kaguya madara juubito and the tailed beast also naruto couldn't even amass his max amount of senjutsu since sasukes atk was already prepared and still it was naruto vs sasuke and 8 tailed beast since the two kuramas cancel each other out I still don't see how the rinnegan is stronger dude it can't even defend against frog kumite