[Discussion] Kidd's portrayal in the series with Luffy

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I find it interesting how Kidd and Luffy will have that Whitebeard/Roger relationship.

Those two have that friendly rival, but strong pride that they could take each other on.

He's well built like Whitebeard and flips out when somebody attacks a subordinate.

Even in devil fruit powers they are similar.
Whitebeard's fruit can potentially destroy the world. And Kidd will grow in fruit levels to potentially be able to control the earth's magnetic pull and even people too.

What do you guys think?
 

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Don't you mean Roger-Shiki? Law mirrors WB. Shiki tried to kill Roger numerous times as one of his greatest enemies and Kidd repeatedly implied that he wants to kill Luffy. Toss in the crazy hair and that Killer is Shiki's son/grandson and you pretty much have a new gen Shiki

WB and Roger and casual chats with one another like how Luffy n' Law chats.
 

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Not a fan of parallels that much.

Oda makes a point to keep One Piece free flowing, and not constrained by the past. Would rather have Luffy as the PK with Law and Kidd representing their own kind of relationship instead of just Whitebeard and Shiki.

Also
Killer is Shiki's son/grandson and you pretty much have a new gen Shiki
What the actual ****?
 
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Don't you mean Roger-Shiki? Law mirrors WB. Shiki tried to kill Roger numerous times as one of his greatest enemies and Kidd repeatedly implied that he wants to kill Luffy. Toss in the crazy hair and that Killer is Shiki's son/grandson and you pretty much have a new gen Shiki

WB and Roger and casual chats with one another like how Luffy n' Law chats.

Hmm, Nope.

Law has told Luffy repeatedly that he will kill luffy even before meeting Doffy.
And Law is nothing like Whitebeard in characteristic and power.

Quake that can shake the world= Magnetic pull that can move the earth.

In fact, Kidd never once told Luffy that he will kill strawhat.

Shiki=Law
 

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Don't you mean Roger-Shiki? Law mirrors WB. Shiki tried to kill Roger numerous times as one of his greatest enemies and Kidd repeatedly implied that he wants to kill Luffy. Toss in the crazy hair and that Killer is Shiki's son/grandson and you pretty much have a new gen Shiki

WB and Roger and casual chats with one another like how Luffy n' Law chats.
Killer is Shiki's son? +5 for good fanfic
 
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Not a fan of parallels that much.

Oda makes a point to keep One Piece free flowing, and not constrained by the past. Would rather have Luffy as the PK with Law and Kidd representing their own kind of relationship instead of just Whitebeard and Shiki.

Also

What the actual ****?
Completely understand what you mean and that could be a possibility.
 

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Eustass seems more like a real rival to Luffy, Law acts more like an ally. The guy even puts his faith in luffy to beat Mingo.

Oda ain't presenting the SNs right imo, where is the rivalry?

Hes acting like Law and Luffy are going to be PK together which makes no sense. Hes treating them like they are both the MCs and not like SN rivals both trying to be PK.

I like the whole alliance thing but I hope it doesnt last forever. Why would I want to see Luffy get walkthrough the NW? The PK title needs to be something he earns, and there can only be one. I didn't watch this series for this long to watch there be two PKs.

What im trying to say is that at this point its better to just drop the labels, they have been better presented as their own selves.
 

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-Both have crazy long blonde hair and beards
-Both uses 2 swords to fight
-Shiki can fly and Killer is agile
-Both are intelligent and knowledgeable
-Oda says Killer never removes his mask even for meals.
So are many other characters?
I don't think those reasons are very convincing...
 
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Eustass seems more like a real rival to Luffy, Law acts more like an ally. The guy even puts his faith in luffy to beat Mingo.

Oda ain't presenting the SNs right imo, where is the rivalry?

Hes acting like Law and Luffy are going to be PK together which makes no sense. Hes treating them like they are both the MCs and not like SN rivals both trying to be PK.

I like the whole alliance thing but I hope it doesnt last forever. Why would I want to see Luffy get walkthrough the NW? The PK title needs to be something he earns, and there can only be one. I didn't watch this series for this long to watch there be two PKs.

What im trying to say is that at this point its better to just drop the labels, they have been better presented as their own selves.
The alliance is to take out a yonkou, and that method is new because for all we know Yonkou's never existed during the golden era.
I'm just giving my opinion on similarities.

I mean Shiki wanted to team up with Rogers to take out the world government.

I don't see that characteristic in WB or Kidd
 

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Abilities(which are different) aren't enough to call someone a parallel of another. Shiki shares may similarities with Kidd which includes body modification, crazy hair, highly ambitious, eants to kill the "pirate king" etc.. Both Law and WB are humble, don't care for pillaging and cares for their nakama.

So are many other characters?
I don't think those reasons are very convincing...
Well Shiki is known for his cunning planning and Killer is the brains of Kidd's group. They also have very similar if not the exact same skin tone and hair style. Why does Killer wear a mask? Seems pretty convincing to me. Will it be better if I post scans?
 

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Not a fan of parallels that much.

Oda makes a point to keep One Piece free flowing, and not constrained by the past. Would rather have Luffy as the PK with Law and Kidd representing their own kind of relationship instead of just Whitebeard and Shiki.

Also

What the actual ****?
There's a difference between parallels and copy/paste. A good writer can create parallels between two or more characters while having them be unique and their own characters.
Hmm, Nope.

Law has told Luffy repeatedly that he will kill luffy even before meeting Doffy.
And Law is nothing like Whitebeard in characteristic and power.

Quake that can shake the world= Magnetic pull that can move the earth.

In fact, Kidd never once told Luffy that he will kill strawhat.

Shiki=Law
Shiki and Kid are the real parallels. Shiki and Kid are both hot-headed and violent, attacking and killing people for the smallest of reasons. They've both lost limbs that replaced with radical prosthetics and received extreme physical damage as a result of them. Their relationship with the PK parallel has been mostly friction, with Kid/Shiki showing visible and noticeable respect to the Luffy/Roger, but the latter not showing the same for the former. Both of their DFs are Paramecia that are heavily telekinetic in nature; being able to levitate objects. Shiki is called the Golden Lion because of his hair, and Kid's hair when he was a kid resembled a lion's mane greatly.

Law and Whitebeard's general personality are very much the same. They are calm, cool and collected, while Luffy and Roger are reckless and completely free-spirited, and Kid and Shiki are violent and hotheaded. Law and Whitebeard both have powers that affect the environment around them on a large scale, and does so indiscriminately and with great potency. The way Law strikes with Gamma Knife is very reminiscent of the way Whitebeard strikes with his Quake Bubbles; swinging their arms from the inside sideways to the outside and striking the enemy in the midsection.They both share similar epithets when it comes to their fruits, with Law's called the Ultimate Devil Fruit and Whitebeard's called the strongest Paramecia. Both Law and Whitebeard have family as one of their central themes as a character.

The alliance is to take out a yonkou, and that method is new because for all we know Yonkou's never existed during the golden era.
I'm just giving my opinion on similarities.

I mean Shiki wanted to team up with Rogers to take out the world government.

I don't see that characteristic in WB or Kidd
The alliance was never meant to take out a Yonko, it was meant to take out Doflamingo. Law lied about wanting to defeat Kaido and he was using the Strawhats. He told Luffy they can't kill Doflamingo because Kaido's wrath would fall on them. If Law intended to go toe to toe with Kaido, why would he be concerned about facing his wrath?

We also don't know that the Yonko didn't exist during the Golden Age.

Just because you can find traits in Shiki that don't apply to Kid or vice versa doesn't mean they can't be parallels. Being a parallel to a character doesn't mean you are both the exact same character, but that there are many and clear traits/characteristics presented in that character that can be distinctly compared.
 
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Abilities(which are different) aren't enough to call someone a parallel of another. Shiki shares may similarities with Kidd which includes body modification, crazy hair, highly ambitious, eants to kill the "pirate king" etc.. Both Law and WB are humble, don't care for pillaging and cares for their nakama.
Bold part: That's not true at all

Whitebeard is far from humble and look at the fight he had with Rogers. Do you think WB was being humble to shanks during their meeting?

They're abilities are similar considering that both WB and Kidd's power have to do with "Force."

On top of that:

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Shiki didn't get his body changed until after the golden era
Kidd tried to kill Apoo for attacking his subordinate. Etc
 

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I find it interesting how Kidd and Luffy will have that Whitebeard/Roger relationship.

Those two have that friendly rival, but strong pride that they could take each other on.

He's well built like Whitebeard and flips out when somebody attacks a subordinate.

Even in devil fruit powers they are similar.
Whitebeard's fruit can potentially destroy the world. And Kidd will grow in fruit levels to potentially be able to control the earth's magnetic pull and even people too.

What do you guys think?
Luffy & kidd has same dream but they follow different path.Kid can kill innocent but luffy saves him.we didn't know kidd full Strength
Yes he can attrack & repel magnetic property element but I think during 2 yrs time skip kidd has lost an arm because when he was trying to form alliance with apoo & basil hawkins his right arm is of metal.Controling earth magnet is not possible for him as it can change earth's rotation means effect will be global but may be he can control iron ore based lands.So comparing him to WB is not good right now.Also roger dream is not same as WB because roger wants to be just shake the world but WB wants to make family
 

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Eustass seems more like a real rival to Luffy, Law acts more like an ally. The guy even puts his faith in luffy to beat Mingo.

Oda ain't presenting the SNs right imo, where is the rivalry?

Hes acting like Law and Luffy are going to be PK together which makes no sense. Hes treating them like they are both the MCs and not like SN rivals both trying to be PK.

I like the whole alliance thing but I hope it doesnt last forever. Why would I want to see Luffy get walkthrough the NW? The PK title needs to be something he earns, and there can only be one. I didn't watch this series for this long to watch there be two PKs.

What im trying to say is that at this point its better to just drop the labels, they have been better presented as their own selves.
Who said Law wanted too be PK I like them together but indeed theres no real rivalry tho
 

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Making parallels too a character Shiki who major appearance was a movie noncanon
Kidd barely enough info few appearance
Roger less than 30 second
Whitebeard an old one who may have changed through the years who was fighting for his son we saw an angry/sad whitebeard
 

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man wb kicked ass. he is in my top 3. cant wait to see luffy and the wb crew meet so he can tell them aces message. but im waiting for luffys family reunion with the woman that raised him and ace.

and kdd has set to his guy a few times that he wants to kill luffy
but he respects luffy but thing the east blue is soft cause he would kill anyone who laughed and his dream where luffy was cause about it.
 

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The alliance is to take out a yonkou, and that method is new because for all we know Yonkou's never existed during the golden era.
I'm just giving my opinion on similarities.

I mean Shiki wanted to team up with Rogers to take out the world government.

I don't see that characteristic in WB or Kidd
Kidd made an alliance to take down a Yonko too tho
 

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Making parallels too a character Shiki who major appearance was a movie noncanon
Kidd barely enough info few appearance
Roger less than 30 second
Whitebeard an old one who may have changed through the years who was fighting for his son we saw an angry/sad whitebeard
And yet many comparisons can be made, both subtle and obvious. That's how good Oda is at presenting characters.
 
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