Told you, I was, am, and won't be even slightly swayed by your weak and childish points. I have discussed this topic with far more intelligent people, people who hold mastery over discourse analysis and pragmatics, and they all agree with me: NE was sapped. Case closed.
Amaterasu ate completely through Katon's chakra when it was used on it, along with Futon nor were the Enton flames mysteriously extinguished because of the blast. I am unsure how you missed those. Like I said, you and your fellow logic-mongers (paradox, I know) are not bright enough to be taken seriously. So you are receiving the treatment you deserve. If you want back-taps, you are looking in all the wrong places. I mean, look at your nonsense:
Faptee? I mean, really? Good that you at least don't shy away from showing your maturity. Now take the high road and leave the discussion. You haven't produced anything you have deluded yourself into believing that you have.
Do I give a craps about who agrees with you? I'm going based off what was said in the manga
What are you even rambling about? I asked you a very simple question. How come Enton was extinguished after the explosion and did not sap/destroy rasengan's chakra to make it useless?
Do I give a craps about who agrees with you? I'm going based off what was said in the manga
What are you even rambling about? I asked you a very simple question. How come Enton was extinguished after the explosion and did not sap/destroy rasengan's chakra to make it useless?
You came back, edited your post, and are now pretending that you don't give a damn in an attempt to look so badass and cool? How do you do it? Amazing! When you have been disliking almost all posts, quoting almost everyone, and hanging around this thread like a fly on smelly bird droppings? Whatever you say, man.
The explanations have been repeatedly given. Repeatedly. But from the looks of it, you kinda do care.
You came back, edited your post, and are now pretending that you don't give a damn in an attempt to look so badass and cool? How do you do it? Amazing! When you have been disliking almost all posts, quoting almost everyone, and hanging around this thread like a fly on smelly bird droppings? Whatever you say, man.
The explanations have been repeatedly given. Repeatedly. But from the looks of it, you kinda do care.
Again, not a valid example. What reversal? There is no such thing as NE or any Energy reversal. It hasn't occurred in the manga, that's for sure. At best, Chakra returns to the system. But even then it doesn't separate itself into PE and ME. Those cannot be reverted back, ever. All you are doing is making up excuses.
That Rasangan was made out of what? Chakra not NE. The Rasangan was destroyed. This again is not even remotely related to NE or IT. The explosion was bigger and both ended up losing their arms because of the ignition Enton provided. It was never used on Rasangan to begin with. What's the point here?
I am still surprised that your unassuming and tightly wound hindquarters that cannot read a simple dialogue is still hanging around in a thread when he has shown his disagreements almost repeatedly. You have read my views and I think you are a moron. You don't agree? Good for you. You think it matters? Not in the slightest. So, what's with the repeated quotes and interventions to spew your versions again, which by the way, I am not even interested in?
The polite and intelligent thing to do is to walk away. Take this route for a change.
P.s: No matter how many times I read it, your examples are without a head or a posterior. Even suggesting that KBs and IT work the same way is ... a stuff of legendary idiocy. Only you Naruto-fan guys can manage it though.
Imma go ahead and use the same logic Dantee used. Juubi is made of NE. Kyubi is made of juubi. The rasengan Naruto made was made from kyubi's chakra . Therefore the rasengan had NE in it. Even if it didn't have Ne amaterasu supposedly destroys all chakra according to you lot.
Also chidori doesn't explode and neither does enton. Chidori only explodes after it clashes with a rasengan. The fact that there was a huge explosion means the rasengan wasn't destroyed.
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate Sasuke's flames?
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate through Ay's arm?
You've clearly lost this argument but you're too stubborn to admit it
Imma go ahead and use the same logic Dantee used. Juubi is made of NE. Kyubi is made of juubi. The rasengan Naruto made was made from kyubi's chakra . Therefore the rasengan had NE in it. Even if it didn't have Ne amaterasu supposedly destroys all chakra according to you lot.
Also chidori doesn't explode and neither does enton. Chidori only explodes after it clashes with a rasengan. The fact that there was a huge explosion means the rasengan wasn't destroyed.
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate Sasuke's flames?
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate through Ay's arm?
You've clearly lost this argument but you're too stubborn to admit it
Imma go ahead and use the same logic Dantee used. Juubi is made of NE. Kyubi is made of juubi. The rasengan Naruto made was made from kyubi's chakra . Therefore the rasengan had NE in it.
clearly you failed here. The Kyuubi isn't made up of NE but instead has its own unique chakra signature because the sage chose to split the juubi into 9 different entities. Kyuubi chakra equaling to NE doesn't make much sense. I only used HAchibi in the OP as an example of how amaterasu reacts to bijuus embodiment of chakra not NE.
Also chidori doesn't explode and neither does enton.
Chidori only explodes after it clashes with a rasengan. The fact that there was a huge explosion means the rasengan wasn't destroyed.
You bring up a good point, but you missed some minor details
For one, prior to the clash Sasukes eye powers were no longer working properly like he said so himself as well as the Kyuubi.
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Ultimately Sasuke adding Enton with weakened eye powers resulted in them both losing their arms since Sasuke cannot control his new variation. It's most likely not a jutsu you want to use with your own arm.
Still doesn't debunk anything about enton destroying NE because NE in the example of this thread was sage jutsu.
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate Sasuke's flames?
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate through Ay's arm?
You've clearly lost this argument but you're too stubborn to admit it
That's funny you clearly contradicted yourself in this statement when you say ama ate through A's arm when he clearly had his lightning Armour up, which is comparable to that of a bijuus cloak. I don't believe you've proven much that debunks the OP.
Imma go ahead and use the same logic Dantee used. Juubi is made of NE. Kyubi is made of juubi. The rasengan Naruto made was made from kyubi's chakra . Therefore the rasengan had NE in it. Even if it didn't have Ne amaterasu supposedly destroys all chakra according to you lot.
Also chidori doesn't explode and neither does enton. Chidori only explodes after it clashes with a rasengan. The fact that there was a huge explosion means the rasengan wasn't destroyed.
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate Sasuke's flames?
Was there an explosion when amaterasu ate through Ay's arm?
You've clearly lost this argument but you're too stubborn to admit it
Juubi threw off Amaterasu and then began to heal, and it has a vast, and I mean vast, amount of NE within its body. It was hurt for your kind information. I'll ask you again; how does this align with IT? Now what are you going to tell me? Juubi and IT are the same thing or work along similar principles? Haha, yeah okay man. Your analogies are quite something.
Really? How many times did the clash of Rasangan and Chidori explode? This time it was bigger because of Enton and more potent chakra supply. Your examples are preposterous and ridiculous because Chidori and Rasangan always explode when the clash happens:
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Not exactly a Rasangan, but TBB and it work on somewhat similar principles:
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Chidori itself is fully capable of tearing the environment up as well:
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The rest of the techs are not even remotely related. At least create a decent argument and read properly rather than cobbling up a bunch of random nonsense to ask questions. What will you bring up next? Why doesn't Enton affect Susano'o and make it explode? Why doesn't it eat Sasuke's chakra when Sasuke holds it and makes it explode? I mean, seriously? Think twice before using examples as you seem to have no sense of how an argument is built upon similar corollary factors and it seems to be the typical problem for you in every single argument.
Your examples will remain irrelevant, because 1) Sasuke's eye was done by that point and he couldn't control his Enton like he did before when he merged it with Rasangan independently, 2) as soon as Enton made contact it was blown away by the clash, 3) it was never used on Rasangan and 4) the clash was too quick for Enton do anything at all. Didn't I just give you examples on techs: Futon, Katons, Gaara's sand portion, Web, Futon, and Ae's Raiton cloak etc? They don't count even though the Chakra was completely burned through?
Also, you didn't answer my question; where is it shown in the manga that PE and ME revert back, or let's make it chakra. Where has it reverted back without cancellation from the user? Without touching this point, you capering around the argument is simply a self-serving strategy.
Also, you didn't answer my question; where is it shown in the manga that PE and ME revert back, or let's make it chakra. Where has it reverted back without cancellation from the user? Without touching this point, you capering around the argument is simply a self-serving strategy.
According to the manga and the databook, the technique was cancelled out because of heat. It's similar to shadow clones disappearing after taking too much damage. Kishi stated in no uncertain terms in both the manga and later the databpook that the cave reverted because of the heat. Simples. That's why I used shadow clone as an example but of course your puny brain couldn't understand my marvelous illustration. My advice to you, git gud son.
Edit: LOL @you saying the clash was too fast for enton to do anything. I remember you saying in another thread that enton and amaterasu burn instantly
According to the manga and the databook, the technique was cancelled out because of heat. It's similar to shadow clones disappearing after taking too much damage. Kishi stated in no uncertain terms in both the manga and later the databpook that the cave reverted because of the heat. Simples. That's why I used shadow clone as an example but of course your puny brain couldn't understand my marvelous illustration. My advice to you, git gud son.
Edit: LOL @you saying the clash was too fast for enton to do anything. I remember you saying in another thread that enton and amaterasu burn instantly
By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent
Caption: Stretching freely as if made of clay, the cavern's interior transforms. The unpredictable movement of the converging floor and ceiling even caught Itachi, genius of the Uchiha, off guard.
You see no difference between the terms "revert" and "cancel"? Where does it say that the NE was cancelled? Yeah, no where. And I think I asked you a question; show me any page where NE has been cancelled by any tech. One page would do.
You can read, or what? How many times do I have to say that Amaterasu and Enton work differently? Unless Amaterasu isn't used on a tech to summon more flames, it doesn't burn quickly proven by the tech examples I gave you. Gave you the examples almost repeatedly, in fact, real manga examples unlike your tedious flip-flopping.
So where is that cancel thing in the manga or the databook? In short, you just made that up.
- The cave reverted back but it doesn't have anything to d with NE.
- NE was cancelled, magically, but burning never took place.
- Amaterasu produced the heat, but the heat has nothing to do with Amaterasu.
- The heat is somehow (laughable) affecting the cave, but it doesn't affect NE.
- Burning is happening, but Amaterasu didn't have anything to do with it; the heat did.
- Amaterasu is used, but the heat and it have no co-relation whatsoever.
- The cave went back to being Inanimate, but it obviously wasn't killed.
- The cave burned, but the NE somehow escaped.
- Burning doesn't have anything to do with sapping or destruction.
- If a thing burns, it isn't being sapped. Because, just because.
- The cave reverted back but it doesn't have anything to d with NE.
- NE was cancelled, magically, but burning never took place.
- Amaterasu produced the heat, but the heat has nothing to do with Amaterasu.
- The heat is somehow (laughable) affecting the cave, but it doesn't affect NE.
- Burning is happening, but Amaterasu didn't have anything to do with it; the heat did.
- Amaterasu is used, but the heat and it have no co-relation whatsoever.
- The cave went back to being Inanimate, but it obviously wasn't killed.
- The cave burned, but the NE somehow escaped.
- Burning doesn't have anything to do with sapping or destruction.
- If a thing burns, it isn't being sapped. Because, just because.
Wrong. Sasuke has highest speed, highest insight and higher strength to godlike shinobis unlike Kage Summit, therefore everyone is prone to his attacks. CT + Amaterasu > everybody's fav except Itachi and Hashi
That makes zero sense, because NE is added to two more energies to create a new chakra, that in turn will be used to create a technique. NE is never added to be technique. Going by your logic, why does one chakra transformed as water ends up destroying another chakra turned into fire? They are both chakras, right?
It make sense because that's one of the main ways NE is used. When Naruto learned Sage mode he was told one benefit to using NE is it can be added to any jutsu to enhance the jutsu. Sage chakra can't exist without NE. That's fact and that's the reason it must included in the discussion.
OP and you are doing nothing but limiting the use of NE. That way you can convince others that Enton is stronger.
My logic make sense. Your example about chakra transformation is a poor example because you are moving backwards. If we are talking about water and fire and they are both transformed back into chakra than the water and fire are gone. We can't talk about water or fire anymore because it no longer exist. I'm not doing that. I'm moving forward. When you take NE and combine it with SE (spiritual energy) and PE (physical energy) to create Sage chakra the NE is still there. When you use the sage charka to create a jutsu the NE is still there. There is no sage charka without NE. There is no senjutsu without NE. Yes, it's important and must be included.
It make sense because that's one of the main ways NE is used. When Naruto learned Sage mode he was told one benefit to using NE is it can be added to any jutsu to enhance the jutsu. Sage chakra can't exist without NE. That's fact and that's the reason it must included in the discussion.
OP and you are doing nothing but limiting the use of NE. That way you can convince others that Enton is stronger.
My logic make sense. Your example about chakra transformation is a poor example because you are moving backwards. If we are talking about water and fire and they are both transformed back into chakra than the water and fire are gone. We can't talk about water or fire anymore because it no longer exist. I'm not doing that. I'm moving forward. When you take NE and combine it with SE (spiritual energy) and PE (physical energy) to create Sage chakra the NE is still there. When you use the sage charka to create a jutsu the NE is still there. There is no sage charka without NE. There is no senjutsu without NE. Yes, it's important and must be included.
It make sense because that's one of the main ways NE is used. When Naruto learned Sage mode he was told one benefit to using NE is it can be added to any jutsu to enhance the jutsu. Sage chakra can't exist without NE. That's fact and that's the reason it must included in the discussion.
OP and you are doing nothing but limiting the use of NE. That way you can convince others that Enton is stronger.
My logic make sense. Your example about chakra transformation is a poor example because you are moving backwards. If we are talking about water and fire and they are both transformed back into chakra than the water and fire are gone. We can't talk about water or fire anymore because it no longer exist. I'm not doing that. I'm moving forward. When you take NE and combine it with SE (spiritual energy) and PE (physical energy) to create Sage chakra the NE is still there. When you use the sage charka to create a jutsu the NE is still there. There is no sage charka without NE. There is no senjutsu without NE. Yes, it's important and must be included.
Do me a favour and read what the databook states. I am not interested in what makes sense to you.
Where has it been done? Wait, you believe it has been done.
It really doesn't. It's very far-fetched, actually. No they are not. Once elements are used against one another, the superior element takes over the chakra of the other and destroys it. That elemental Ninjutsu is nothing but Chakra transformed into that. If the chakra keeps returning back to the user as you ridiculously put so, then Ninjas would never run out of it. Now if you are talking about the environment, as if, the chakra lingers there like a windy air broken free from someone's posterior, then it makes even lesser sense than that.
No Sage Chakra has been created for this technique. So, nice ten steps backwards. But hey, with your head turned the other way, you really are moving forward.
