Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I see what your trying to say but ima disagree with certain part
Amaterasu just happens to be a good counter for Sage Art: Inorganic Animation
which animates objects like rocks which are susceptible to heat
but not sage jutsu in general

Don't bother you'll just add another 5 pages to this retarded thread

 

[TNC Xlll]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

And why do you think clones disperse when they take damage? Does that mean that physical attacks can destroy chakra and make the clones disperse? No. Clones disperse when they take damage because Kishi said so. That's something you don't get. All of your elaborate "research" and deductions are absolutely pointless because they haven't been approved by Kishi. What you don't get is NV isn't an actual universe you can explore and study. It's a made up world that solely exists in Kishi's mind. Therefore until Kishi directly says it, it ain't so. Any theories or conclusions you can come up with will remain useless conjecture until Kishi confirms it

Muki tensei and clone are not the same.
Muki ensei's user himself (Kabuto) sated that the heat of Amaterasu put the cave back to normal
Noticed that Sasuke didn't used Amaterasu all over the cave (the damage area by the flames was small)
So it not the flames itself who put the cave back to normal but the heat

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Muki tensei and clone are not the same.
Muki ensei's user himself (Kabuto) sated that the heat of Amaterasu put the cave back to normal
Noticed that Sasuke didn't used Amaterasu all over the cave (the damage area by the flames was small)
So it not the flames itself who put the cave back to normal but the heat

No one's is denying that :sdo:

 

[TNC Xlll]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

No one's is denying that :sdo:

Don't you think that the burning areas only should have gone back to normal, not the whole cave itself if the heat of Amaterasu didn't negate the mechanism of Muki Tensei (natural energy)?

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Don't you think that the burning areas only should have gone back to normal, not the whole cave itself if the heat of Amaterasu didn't negate the mechanism of Muki Tensei (natural energy)?

Everything is explained go back and read the thread

 

[TNC Xlll]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Everything is explained go back and read the thread

I get what you want to prove. You want think that the heat damages the cave that it go back to normal (a possibility, but what bother me is why the cave didnt retain the shape Kabuto gave it when it was damaged. Not sure about it [Kaguya used a similar jutsu on Naruto, it wasn't show how the shape return back to normal when Naruto burst to it with Kairiki Musou])

But if what the DB stated is true, it means that the heat of Amaterasu negate te Ne in the atmosphere

 

[shelke]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I see what your trying to say but ima disagree with certain parts
Amaterasu just happens to be a good counter for Sage Art: Inorganic Animation
which uses NE to animate objects like rocks which are susceptible to heat
but not sage jutsu in general.

Inorganic Animation is very different from Sage Jutsus as it uses pure Natural Energy to bring the cave to life. Think about it for a second; what is that one thing that is bringing the cave to life? NE. Kabuto didn't cancel it and it cannot go away all on its own. So what happened? The cave 'reverted back' to bring just a cave; meaning, something inanimate. What made it inanimate again? Amaterasu's heat that extinguished that 'animated' aspect of it.

It can't get any more simple than this.

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Inorganic Animation is very different from Sage Jutsus as it uses pure Natural Energy to bring the cave to life. Think about it for a second; what is that one thing that is bringing the cave to life? NE. Kabuto didn't cancel it and it cannot go away all on its own. So what happened? The cave 'reverted back' to bring just a cave; meaning, something inanimate. What made it inanimate again? Amaterasu's heat that extinguished that 'animated' aspect of it.

It can't get any more simple than this.

If NE was sapped by amaterasu, Kishi would have directly said so. But he didn't. He simply said the heat made the caves revert. Think about it for a second. Amaterasu sapping NE is something we've never seen or heard of . If that's what Kishi intended, he would have made it clear. You're putting too much effort into analyzing an imaginary world created by someone's imagination. Until Kishi says otherwise, it's the heat that made the cave revert, nothing else.

 

[shelke]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

If NE was sapped by amaterasu, Kishi would have directly said so. But he didn't. He simply said the heat made the caves revert. Think about it for a second. Amaterasu sapping NE is something we've never seen or heard of . If that's what Kishi intended, he would have made it clear. You're putting too much effort into analyzing an imaginary world created by someone's imagination. Until Kishi says otherwise, it's the heat that made the cave revert, nothing else.

Look, no offense, but it's not Kishimoto's fault if people on NB cannot grasp a different semantic choice. The term Animation alone means to "come to life / bring to life". The technique gives life to an inanimate object and makes it animate. That animation or life is caused by Natural Energy. The term "revert" means to go back to the previous 'inanimate / lifeless' state given the context. If a thing becomes lifeless, what has happened to it? Its life has been taken or sapped. The term sap means to weaken or to destroy. This is nothing but an eloquent take on a simple statement.

Furthermore, NE cannot go away from a technique, nor did Kabuto cancel it. What happened to NE then? Kindly, use a bit of common sense. He has stated it outright, that the cave reverted back or the cave became inanimate or lifeless again or the cave that was animate is now inanimate because the heat caused it to become inanimate or lifeless. In other words, the heat took the life of the cave. I cannot make this simple enough for people here.

It's really funny, because I asked a few people this question, intelligent people who have nothing to do with NB and have never read Naruto, and they all agree with me. This is nothing but a slight play on semantics. The fact that heat killed the cave alone proves that NE was destroyed.

 

[Innocent Flares]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I see what your trying to say but ima disagree with certain parts
Amaterasu just happens to be a good counter for Sage Art: Inorganic Animation
which uses NE to animate objects like rocks which are susceptible to heat
but not sage jutsu in general.

Inorganic Animation is very different from Sage Jutsus as it uses pure Natural Energy to bring the cave to life. Think about it for a second; what is that one thing that is bringing the cave to life? NE. Kabuto didn't cancel it and it cannot go away all on its own. So what happened? The cave 'reverted back' to bring just a cave; meaning, something inanimate. What made it inanimate again? Amaterasu's heat that extinguished that 'animated' aspect of it.

It can't get any more simple than this.

I think we said the same thing there. This is a unique sage jutsu so it might just be true for this case. What do u think the heat of amaterasu would do to a senjutsu rasengan

 

[shelke]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I think we said the same thing there. This is a unique sage jutsu so it might just be true for this case. What do u think the heat of amaterasu would do to a senjutsu rasengan

Regular Rasangan or Futon Rasangan? Amaterasu would eat up its chakra. NE is already weak against it and Amaterasu is shown to eat chakra very quickly.As for Futon, then Fire is naturally superior. Remember what a small and thin Enton arrow did to a large Rasan-Shuriken made out of Bijuu chakra? It completely consumed it.

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Look, no offense, but it's not Kishimoto's fault if people on NB cannot grasp a different semantic choice. The term Animation alone means to "come to life / bring to life". The technique gives life to an inanimate object and makes it animate. That animation or life is caused by Natural Energy. The term "revert" means to go back to the previous 'inanimate / lifeless' state given the context. If a thing becomes lifeless, what has happened to it? Its life has been taken or sapped. The term sap means to weaken or to destroy. This is nothing but an eloquent take on a simple statement.

Furthermore, NE cannot go away from a technique, nor did Kabuto cancel it. What happened to NE then? Kindly, use a bit of common sense. He has stated it outright, that the cave reverted back or the cave became inanimate or lifeless again or the cave that was animate is now inanimate because the heat caused it to become inanimate or lifeless. In other words, the heat took the life of the cave. I cannot make this simple enough for people here.

It's really funny, because I asked a few people this question, intelligent people who have nothing to do with NB and have never read Naruto, and they all agree with me. This is nothing but a slight play on semantics. The fact that heat killed the cave alone proves that NE was destroyed.

@ Bold. What happens to the chakra in a shadow clone when it's dispersed? Logically speaking taking a physical attack shouldn't completely destroy a shadow clone since it's not alive and doesnt have any internal organs, and yet it does. NV isn't ruled by logic, it's ruled by Kishi's laws. Like I said before., amaterasu eating NE without direct contact is a big deal. Kishi would have directly mentioned it if that was the case.

 

[shelke]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

@ Bold. What happens to the chakra in a shadow clone when it's dispersed? Logically speaking taking a physical attack shouldn't completely destroy a shadow clone since it's not alive and doesnt have any internal organs, and yet it does. NV isn't ruled by logic, it's ruled by Kishi's laws. Like I said before., amaterasu eating NE without direct contact is a big deal. Kishi would have directly mentioned it if that was the case.

KBs and this technique are not even remotely same. Don't see your point. As for NE, then there is a databook explanation on the first page. You should read it.

Yes, it's ruled by Kishimoto's laws, so, NE can be sapped if he shows it. He did directly mention it. I told you; the dialogues are simply eloquent.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I see what your trying to say but ima disagree with certain parts
Amaterasu just happens to be a good counter for Sage Art: Inorganic Animation
which uses NE to animate objects like rocks which are susceptible to heat
but not sage jutsu in general.

I have to disagree since the amaterasu causing any damage to the rock had little to nothing to do with the fact it reverted the cave. The cause of the reversion of the cave was the destruction of NE in its most raw form. This prove any sage jutsu can be disrupted and effected by ama/enton.

 

[TrollingSage]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

KBs and this technique are not even remotely same. Don't see your point. As for NE, then there is a databook explanation on the first page. You should read it.

Yes, it's ruled by Kishimoto's laws, so, NE can be sapped if he shows it. He did directly mention it. I told you; the dialogues are simply eloquent.

There was no indication whatsoever that the reason for the reversal was NE getting destroyed in both the databooks and the manga. Since am already bored and tired of this ridiculous argument already, am going to end this with a single irrefutable point.
If what you say is true,Sasuke would have come on top in this encounter

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If amaterasu/enton could sap chakra away from a jutsu, it would have sapped chakra away from the rasengan, rendering it useless and Sasuke would have won that encounter instead of losing an arm

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

KBs and this technique are not even remotely same. Don't see your point. As for NE, then there is a databook explanation on the first page. You should read it.

Yes, it's ruled by Kishimoto's laws, so, NE can be sapped if he shows it. He did directly mention it. I told you; the dialogues are simply eloquent.

The dialogue supports nothing you are spouting, you're interpreting it to fit your unsupprted logic

KBs and this technique are not even remotely same. Don't see your point. As for NE, then there is a databook explanation on the first page. You should read it.

Yes, it's ruled by Kishimoto's laws, so, NE can be sapped if he shows it. He did directly mention it. I told you; the dialogues are simply eloquent.

They are both literally the same thing just fueled by different sources. The only real difference is that the cave is brought to life while the shadow clones are already living. Beside that, they literally work one in the same way

 

[~Ethereal~]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Nearly 20 pages. XD

 

[shelke]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

There was no indication whatsoever that the reason for the reversal was NE getting destroyed in both the databooks and the manga. Since am already bored and tired of this ridiculous argument already, am going to end this with a single irrefutable point.
If what you say is true,Sasuke would have come on top in this encounter

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If amaterasu/enton could sap chakra away from a jutsu, it would have sapped chakra away from the rasengan, rendering it useless and Sasuke would have won that encounter instead of losing an arm

Again, not a valid example. What reversal? There is no such thing as NE or any Energy reversal. It hasn't occurred in the manga, that's for sure. At best, Chakra returns to the system. But even then it doesn't separate itself into PE and ME. Those cannot be reverted back, ever. All you are doing is making up excuses.

That Rasangan was made out of what? Chakra not NE. The Rasangan was destroyed. This again is not even remotely related to NE or IT. The explosion was bigger and both ended up losing their arms because of the ignition Enton provided. It was never used on Rasangan to begin with. What's the point here?

The dialogue supports nothing you are spouting, you're interpreting it to fit your unsupprted logic

They are both literally the same thing just fueled by different sources. The only real difference is that the cave is brought to life while the shadow clones are already living. Beside that, they literally work one in the same way

I am still surprised that your unassuming and tightly wound hindquarters that cannot read a simple dialogue is still hanging around in a thread when he has shown his disagreements almost repeatedly. You have read my views and I think you are a moron. You don't agree? Good for you. You think it matters? Not in the slightest. So, what's with the repeated quotes and interventions to spew your versions again, which by the way, I am not even interested in?

The polite and intelligent thing to do is to walk away. Take this route for a change.

P.s: No matter how many times I read it, your examples are without a head or a posterior. Even suggesting that KBs and IT work the same way is ... a stuff of legendary idiocy. Only you Naruto-fan guys can manage it though.

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Again, not a valid example. What reversal? There is no such thing as NE or any Energy reversal. It hasn't occurred in the manga, that's for sure. At best, Chakra returns to the system. But even then it doesn't separate itself into PE and ME. Those cannot be reverted back, ever. All you are doing is making up excuses.

That Rasangan was made out of what? Chakra not NE. The Rasangan was destroyed. This again is not even remotely related to NE or IT. The explosion was bigger and both ended up losing their arms because of the ignition Enton provided. It was never used on Rasangan to begin with. What's the point here?



I am still surprised that your unassuming and tightly wound hindquarters that cannot read a simple dialogue is still hanging around in a thread when he has shown his disagreements almost repeatedly. You have read my views and I think you are a moron. You don't agree? Good for you. You think it matters? Not in the slightest. So, what's with the repeated quotes and interventions to spew your versions again, which by the way, I am not even interested in?

The polite and intelligent thing to do is to walk away. Take this route for a change.

P.s: No matter how many times I read it, your examples are without a head or a posterior. Even suggesting that KBs and IT work the same way is ... a stuff of legendary idiocy. Only you Naruto-fan guys can manage it though.

Just a couple things I want to address when I get home, I will show you your hypocrisy and delusions.

1. Enton was extinguished is the clash, something that everyone claimed couldn't be done, if it was not, then the flame should have spread onto Naruto arm during the clash since Sasuke has the Ability to control Enton


2. You claimed that Amateratsu/Enton has the ability to sap/destroy chakra, which also seems to be an undisputed fact on the base. You and Faptee are claiming that Amateratsu/Enton has the ability to sap/destroy NE. You and your buddy are stating that the cave reverted because NE was sapped and the sapping of NE caused the cave to revert. TrollingSages example was spot on as Amateratsu/Enton are supposed to have been able to do the same thing to chakra as it can to NE. So please bestow your humbled wisdom and unrivaled intelligence upon us illogical Narutofaptards on why Rasengans chakra was not sapped/destroyed and why an explosion still occur during the clash



3. Also since I'm an idiot and have poor comprehensional skills as well. Can you also tell me, show me and link me with manga examples about how Amateratsu's hyperbole is proven? Because Idk if my smallish pea size brain missed it but I'm pretty sure if something is burning at a suppose 3 billion degrees F, then it and everyone around it should be disintegrated.I mean hey, who am I to argue with someone who has such unrivialed smarts like you? I mean you are the same knowledgeable individual who claimed Amateratsu couldn't be absorbed by the preta

 

[shelke]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

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Just a couple things I want to address when I get home, I will show you your hypocrisy and delusions.

1. Enton was extinguished is the clash, something that everyone claimed couldn't be done, if it was not, then the flame should have spread onto Naruto arm during the clash since Sasuke has the Ability to control Enton

2. You claimed that Amateratsu/Enton has the ability to sap/destroy chakra, which also seems to be an undisputed fact on the base. You and Faptee are claiming that Amateratsu/Enton has the ability to sap/destroy NE. You and your buddy are stating that the cave reverted because NE was sapped and the sapping of NE caused the cave to revert. TrollingSages example was spot on as Amateratsu/Enton are supposed to have been able to do the same thing to chakra as it can to NE. So please bestow your humbled wisdom and unrivaled intelligence upon us illogical Narutofaptards on why Rasengans chakra was not sapped/destroyed and why an explosion still occur during the clash

3. Also since I'm an idiot and have poor comprehensional skills as well. Can you also tell me, show me and link me with manga examples about how Amateratsu's hyperbole is proven? Because Idk if my smallish pea size brain missed it but I'm pretty sure if something is burning at a suppose 3 billion degrees F, then it and everyone around it should be disintegrated.I mean hey, who am I to argue with someone who has such unrivialed smarts like you? I mean you are the same knowledgeable individual who claimed Amateratsu couldn't be absorbed by the preta

Told you, I was, am, and won't be even slightly swayed by your weak and childish points. I have discussed this topic with far more intelligent people, people who hold mastery over discourse analysis and pragmatics, and they all agree with me: NE was sapped. Case closed.

Amaterasu ate completely through Katon's chakra when it was used on it, along with Futon nor were the Enton flames mysteriously extinguished because of the blast. I am unsure how you missed those. Like I said, you and your fellow logic-mongers (paradox, I know) are not bright enough to be taken seriously. So you are receiving the treatment you deserve. If you want back-taps, you are looking in all the wrong places. I mean, look at your nonsense:

You and Faptee ....

Because Idk if my smallish pea size brain missed it but I'm pretty sure if something is burning at a suppose 3 billion degrees F, then it and everyone around it should be disintegrated. Even after giving you links for surface Temp? I don't even ...

Faptee? I mean, really? Good that you at least don't shy away from showing your maturity. Now take the high road and leave the discussion. You haven't produced anything you have deluded yourself into believing that you have.