Where did I do that? I didn't say shit about Naruto fans. In just gave my honest opinion. The thread is a great read, he used a lot of scans to back up his claims and it's well constructed.
You on the other hand complain about SB all the time. Stop being so butthurt and say something nice for a change.
Where did I do that? I didn't say shit about Naruto fans. In just gave my honest opinion. The thread is a great read, he used a lot of scans to back up his claims and it's well constructed.
You on the other hand complain about SB all the time. Stop being so butthurt and say something nice for a change.
I'm not talking about in the thread and you have talked about Naruto fan(boys) because I was in the same thread that you did it in.
@Bold 2
I'm sorry I don't promote illiteracy and fanfictions. I have like and even repped threads that actually weren't biased. I can find at least 3 things wrong with the thread, yet you're stating it's a good thread when over half of the ppl that liked it are Sasuke fanboys
Would be the strongest physical attack if it could kill someone quickly/instantly but it takes too damn long to spread to be the strongest physical attack. Hasn't killed any shinobi in NV yet either. It's hot but not as hot as lava, lets be real it couldn't even melt sand and it didn't melt Raikage's arm or warp it before he cut it off. It's hyped too much, it's power lies in that the nature of the jutsu is that it's nearly impossible to extinguish not in how hot it is.
Bold just proves how little you understand how Enton works. I'm no expert, but since when does heat = fire? There has to be fuel for the fire and there has to be oxygen for it to burn. Definition: a process in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke; combustion or burning.
Water extinguishes flame from oxygen deprivation and 'stealing' the heat through steam/evaporation. Now if Amaterasu had any interaction with water at all, and it was SOOOOO hot, wouldn't there be an unbelievable amount of steam coming from where the Amaterasu and water met? Think when you pour water on a camp fire and how much steam is created from something so novel as that... It's clear that one of the properties of Enton is that is completely unaffected by water.
What are you trying to prove by saying Amaterasu > Nature Energy? Like I don't really see what this changes.
Many jutsu have damaged the juubi so how does stating that Ama damaged it set it apart (It was wind-enhanced amaterasu aswell)?
Wow Sasukebase is full of idiots. Shelke and Dantee are surprisingly idiotic. The scan quite clearly states in no uncertain terms that the cave reverted because of the "heat" of amaterasu. There was no mention of amaterasu's made up ability to nullify natural energy. It's all baseless conjecture. I don't know y'all trolling or you're actually that stupid or perhaps you're so obsessed with Sasuke that you throw away or common sense and logical thought.
And the gauge of intelligence of all NB is in your capable hands, the guy, who has been hammered down repeatedly in his cheap and ludicrously far-fetched arguments concerning Minato and Kakashi by just about everyone. I think I am afraid now.
Your entire stance is worthless here, given your history.
Bold 1
What you and Dantee seem to not grasp is that nobody is refuting that Amateratsu reverted the cave, but the way it did it is fallacious. It doesn't matter how many times you post the Viz and DB entry, they don't help your arguments
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Or the heat from Amateratsu was so intense it overpowered the cave and forced it to revert back into a cave.
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Yet it did not eat through Gaaras sand.
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Nice buttpulled fanfic on your part. It's funny how you try and make up stuff about Amateratsu and believe it's hype to support your fallacious conjecture and falliable logic. But then when it fails to meet your standards you make up bullcrap that doesn't even make sense. For one who is so superb at Science I'm flabbergasted that you're even posting this nonsense
1. Amateratsu was stated to burn as hot as the sun (obvious hyperbole) yet could not burn metal? You yourself stated that it burns through quickly now it's different because it's metal?
2. Amateratsu cannot work without the eye being focused, that's how Amateratsu works. Every time it has been used, it has been focused on a target. The Raikage was his target, he was fast enough to move out of Sasuke's point of focus and the samurai became the new point of focus seeing as he was the next thing in line of Sasuke (concentrated) vision.
Your fanfic that it didn't burn in my first point because it wasn't chakara is disregarded due to the DB and the manga backing the fact that it burns a target once focused. Amateratsu burned a hole through the giant toad's insides and that isn't made of chakra
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Yet he made Enton and combined it with Chidori
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Don't know how many times I have to go through this with you. Amateratsu has canoically been extinguished many different times
- Jiraya sealed it
- Nagato dispelled it
- Madara absorbed it
They are also several different feats in the manga that can also extinguish Amateratsu such as
- Gakido
- Sealing jutsu
- Truth Seeking Balls integrated with Omyudon
- Kamui
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Why? Because you're twisting the manga to fit your logic? No sorry buddy it don't work like that, I've still failed to see where your so called scans and statements are backing up this conjecture. NE is intangible and cannot be touched, smelled, heard, tasted or seen (unless you have Sage mode or the Sage's chakra). Nature Energy has shown to be absorbed into the body, never held physically. The only idiotic claim being made is you and Dantee thinking NE can be destroyed and not even having a manga scan to back it up
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Intangibilty has a lot to do with why you claim is fallacious for the simple fact that cannot be reacted to. Dantee made the comparison of NE to air and since air fuels fire (Amateratsu), then it can effect NE. Unbeknownst to him, NE and Air share none of the same properties except the fact that they are intangible. Kabuto's DSM techniques are produced by his Sage chakra (indicated by Senpou: Muki Tensei. Databook even says it's Senjutsu or did your selective reading allow your eyes to skip that?), the process in the cave coming alive is done by him giving off NE to the cave, still takes his Sage chakra to do so.
In the example I gave to Dantee, I stated that producing Shadow Clones and Muki Tensei are similar because
1. They both use a source of an external factor that powers their techniques (Naruto splitting his chakra with Kage Bunshin and Kabuto using NE within the cave to make it come alive.
2. They are both living things
Now when a Kage Bunshin is destroyed and overpowered by a technique that is more powerful than the KB itself, is the chakra sapped? It's quite obvious that when a texhinque ceases to exist, then the source of whatever was powering that technique ceases to exist as well, that is
just common sense. The cave obviously lost the NE after it reverted, but was not reverted because NE was sapped.
Oh boy, a long reply that is nothing but brimful of misinterpretations and nonsense:
1- I asked you for a scan to show me where any technique had nullified NE. Where is it?
2- Gaara's sand is entirely made up of chakra? Fascinating.
3- You probably don't know the first thing about conjecture, let alone point fingers at others here. I literally broke down the entire thing for people like you. But I guess, it's NB, where everyone is just extra special.
4- When Lightning passes from between the clouds and creates a vacuum and the gases are heated up and expand - you know, flash of light you see - the temperature of that area is about 5 times the temperature of the surface of the sun. It's the aura that surrounds it that has a very high temperature.
So obviously, Amaterasu would be much hotter than the sun's surface. That's not even a hyperbole. I doubt the majority of NB, including yours truly, knows the first thing about Hyperbole beyond that silly definition google provides.
5- It's funny you should mention that, when 1) Raikage dodged behind Amaterasu's flame because Sasuke's line of sight was affected - proven by that glass incident - and 2) Amaterasu simply latched on the Samuari - the next target in the user's line of sight -, Sasuke never focused it upon him. He had looked away by that time.
As for chakra, then I am still correct, as all individuals run on life force, which is, their chakra. Another weightless argument.
6- What kind of a silly argument is this? Why doesn't Boil Release melt Mei and her mouth when she's using it? Why doesn't Amaterasu affect Sasuke when he uses it on his own hand? Why doesn't his hand burn when he uses an Enton sword and literally grasps it within his own hand? Is this even an argument? Why doesn't Amaterasu / Enton affect Sasuke's own Susano'o? Why doesn't the shock wave from Madara's sword obliterate his own PS? I can go on and on here to discredit your childish shot at argumentation.
7- Irrelevant points:
1 - Jiraiya sealed it.
2 - Nagato didn't use any chakra based attack to push it off his body. He simply pushed the flames away. He didn't extinguish them.
3 - Petra Path works on all Ninjutsu made up of chakra.
None of these lessen the value of Amaterasu nor do they factor in with the argument that Amaterasu > NE. In fact, these examples are literally worthless for the topic at hand because sealing and PP have nothing to do with NE. If you plan on building an analogy, then learn how to use it first. It's sad that majority of NB still scratches its head when it comes to analogy building or choosing factors that are corollary to the arguments at hand. But you people never learn, do you?
8- Even these claims are irrelevant as hell:
- TSBs negate all Ninjutsu save for the ones that have no physical form; Kamui and FTG.
- Kamui has done jack to Amaterasu.
Let me ask you again, since the whole thing seems to be beyond your reasoning ability: what do TSBs and Kamui have anything to do with Natural Energy being weak before Amaterasu? Oh wait, absolutely nothing. It's a worthless, let me repeat it again,a worthless and cheap argument with no link to the thread or to the argument.
Kamui will, for example, work on Kaguya's TSB as well. Now going by your pointless opinions, Kamui >> Kaguya's dimension destroying Kekkei Mora TSB. Does this really work that way? No. Do me a favour and revisit the point above on how to build analogies as you are failing in this department at every turn.
9- Do me a favour again and don't bring science into this. Why? Because you have zero real life examples to explain the concept of Natural Energy and create an argument. I am not even slightly interested or impressed by this intangible argument of yours as the Buddha Statue is built entirely upon Natural Energy as well, and Madara was able to hurt it with PS Sword. This is a fictitious manga and none of the chakra based elements work on science. These elements are not Natural phenomenon but run completely on chakra down to the last chakra drop; they are an imitation of nature. Whatever the author has shown, goes. Don't even go there, or I will embarrass you just like I embarrassed Kidgamer.
Physical energy and mental energy are intangible as well. Your argument is laughable. I asked for a scan, you haven't given me any. Sapped or not sapped, NE dispersed regardless.You shot yourself in the foot the moment you began this argument. According to you, NE is intangible and cannot be touched by anything, but it's affected by heat regardless?
What you and Dantee seem to not grasp is that nobody is refuting that Amateratsu reverted the cave ...
You admit yourself that an intangible energy has been affected indefinitely by heat from something physical, but the other side of the argument is so so wrong, because it doesn't sit well with your kiddy arguments?Do you have any argument and counterargument left after this admission? No, because your entire last paragraphs are worthless because of the argument you yourself established that NE, despite being intangible was dispersed by something physical; in other words, something physical killed the cave that was brought to life with something intangible. If you think you are impressing anyone with this, then you are not, man, because this argument of yours fell flat on its face with your own post.
10- Your last two examples don't factor in as well, as when KB is destroyed the chakra is destroyed, which is why it doesn't return to the user. It's a body made out of Chakra. Only if it is cancelled that the chakra goes back to the user. Your ET argument is pointless as well, as this technique and Kabuto's IT are not even remotely related. Even then, when Ninjutsu Cancellation element of TSBs is used, the chakra on the portion of ET body it touches is utterly destroyed and even ET cannot heal it. Tobirama stated that Mintao "would die if he was hit fatally with that technique." It means, that TSB has the capablity to destroy the life-force; something intangible within the body. Similarly, Madara was about to kill Gai by hitting him with a TSB; in other words, he was going to kill him by destroying his life force; another intangible energy within the body.
So, what was your argument again? Oh yeah, you don't think NE was sapped, because ... because you say so? I don't think it's a matter of concern then.
Doesn't HAshi bring life to his mokuton when he uses it? That is defining differences between Yamato's and his. Hashirama has the ashura life force to make it better.
3. See post 1
4. And you still can't comprehend? What is it that you're not getting? They are comparable because they are both alive
Faulty logic when neither work in the same manner. I see you can't counter this point so you are spouting the same nonsense. If shadow clone and muki tensei were the same jutsu you might actually have a almost valid point lol.
5. No you're wrong, the cave is alive because Kabuto gave it NE, not because he was controlling it. Once again, Amateratsu is Katon herp derp :sdo:
Well no shi the NE is helping KAbuto control the cave but KAbuto is ultimately the one in control. So what is your point about AMa being katon. Are you saying katon is capable of the same thing as Ama? Nothing backs that up.
Doesn't matter, you must have the ability to absorb NE to form TBS in the first place. Baseless conjecture on your part. XD The only reason you dismiss Itachi is because you know he makes Sasuke's feats with ama look silly.
What are you even spouting about now? TSB are not ne related sit down. Itachi has better experience at the time with Ama than Sasuke. The only time Itachi used it good was against Nagatos summons and to escape Jirayas jutsu. Sasuke used it to protect Itachi, harm the juubi, take the arm of the raikage, save team taka, save Naruto from Kaguyas ice jutsu. PLease gtfo Try posting something related to the thread.
Would be the strongest physical attack if it could kill someone quickly/instantly but it takes too damn long to spread to be the strongest physical attack. Hasn't killed any shinobi in NV yet either. It's hot but not as hot as lava, lets be real it couldn't even melt sand and it didn't melt Raikage's arm or warp it before he cut it off. It's hyped too much, it's power lies in that the nature of the jutsu is that it's nearly impossible to extinguish not in how hot it is.
You're right every jutsu has a weakness. However take most elemental jutsus and pit it against ama/enton. Ama wins
Bold just proves how little you understand how Enton works. I'm no expert, but since when does heat = fire? There has to be fuel for the fire and there has to be oxygen for it to burn. Definition: a process in which substances combine chemically with oxygen from the air and typically give out bright light, heat, and smoke; combustion or burning.
That's true. But how else does Ama keep burning if the temperature of the jutsu is so low? How come water is suppose to logically cool down the temp of Ama but, still Ama preserves and continues to burn.
Water extinguishes flame from oxygen deprivation and 'stealing' the heat through steam/evaporation. Now if Amaterasu had any interaction with water at all, and it was SOOOOO hot, wouldn't there be an unbelievable amount of steam coming from where the Amaterasu and water met? Think when you pour water on a camp fire and how much steam is created from something so novel as that... It's clear that one of the properties of Enton is that is completely unaffected by water.
Whenever water sets on a small flame it evaporates. Yet water had no effect on ama and vice versa. Ama was able to fuel up clouds for precipitation which means it should be capable of evaporating water. If you think ama was never proven to be even that hot then why did it incinerate toadflesh and hot enough to destroy ne. Inconsistencies.
i only needed to read the thread title to know how stupid it is. The manga already stated it was the heat that caused the cave to revert back to its original form, and not because NE was supposedly sapped. You can't even give a proper response to how fire supposedly saps NE without leaning on cliche retorts in an effort to stay in denial yourself.
i only needed to read the thread title to know how stupid it is. The manga already stated it was the heat that caused the cave to revert back to its original form, and not because NE was supposedly sapped. You can't even give a proper response to how fire supposedly saps NE without leaning on cliche retorts in an effort to stay in denial yourself.
and you think you are one of these credible people because he only reads the thread title. No one has yet to refute the OP. Give it a read it's awesome.
and you think you are one of these credible people because he only reads the thread title. No one has yet to refute the OP. Give it a read it's awesome.
this is exactly what BG was talking about: adding that emoji like it somehow validates w/e stupidity comes from you. The responses you gave to other ppl to support your baloney argument only serves to show why i didn't need to waste my time or effort with that baloney you call evidence.
Like someone needs to read all of that to know Amaterasu is useless. It came from Sasuke's own mouth for crying out loud. What else is there to know?
this is exactly what BG was talking about: adding that emoji like it somehow validates w/e stupidity comes from you. The responses you gave to other ppl to support your baloney argument only serves to show why i didn't need to waste my time or effort with that baloney you call evidence.
:bdpf: sorry if emotes rustle you. There isn't a single emjoi in the entire OP though, quit whining. So now manga and databook evidence is baloney. The amount of fail in your posts is astounding, you only show how bias and easily offended you are.
:bdpf: sorry if emotes rustle you. There isn't a single emjoi in the entire OP though, quit whining. So now manga and databook evidence is baloney. The amount of fail in your posts is astounding, you only show how bias and easily offended you are.
Sasuke also mentions Gaara's defense so that page says both reacted in defense but the sand looks closer to Gaara than Sasuke so Sasuke probably attacked with Enton. An strong offensive can be a strong defense and vice versa.
As for other points, White Zetsu made that comment from the looks of it and Madara made those, only Black Zetsu wasn't made by Madara and even then he played a role of being Madara's will until war arc. Kabuto never said Amaterasu sapped his natural energy away, only that the heat caused the jutsu to be undone and only that jutsu, not all jutsus containing natural energy. The Juubi took off Amaterasu so that means nothing if it can't do the job. The Juubi is still a living creature as are all Bijuus so they have the 5 senses humans have.
Jutsus that haven't been shown or created yet came later on and pacted more punch than Amaterasu such as Susanoo, which is a stronger physical attack than Amaterasu, both are ninjutsus and both inflict damage by physically hitting the target. Susanoo is mountain Buster easily. TBB, Chou FRS (which increased Amaterasu power dramatically since regular FRS is S Rank), TBBFRS, TSBs, CT/BS/ST, and 9 Bijuus RS. All shown power on or above Amaterasu level (s rank).
you are a bona fide clown if you think someone needs to take the time to read your baloney evidence just to prove it as nothing more than baloney. The thread title alone tells a person how stupid your claim is.
You posted the same garbage when your first came out of the woodwork with this claim, and it's already been debunked when you made it, so idk why on God's green earth i have to take the time out to read the same pile of b.s. again to satisfy you. The thread title alone told me you started back up with this garbage, so what exactly was the point in even looking at it? Like it somehow makes what i said any less applicable. Get over yourself.
Both techniques are different. In order to mess up a TBB, Amaterasu alone cannot work. It will have to be used with a PS sword.
And the gauge of intelligence of all NB is in your capable hands, the guy, who has been hammered down repeatedly in his cheap arguments concerning Minato and Kakashi by just about everyone. I think I am afraid now.
Your entire stance is worthless here, given your history.
Oh boy, a long reply that is nothing but brimful of misinterpretations and nonsense:
- I asked you for a scan to show me where any technique had nullified NE. Where is it?
- Gaara's sand is entirely made up of chakra? Fascinating.
- You probably don't know the first thing about conjecture, let alone point fingers at others here. I literally broke down the entire thing for people like you. But I guess, it's NB. Where everyone is just extra special.
- When Lightning passes from between the clouds and creates a vacuum and the gases are heated up and expand - you know, flash of light you see - the temperature of that area is about 5 times the temperature of the surface of the sun. It's the aura that surrounds it that has a very high temperature.
So obviously, Amaterasu would be much hotter than the sun's surface. That's not even a hyperbole. I doubt the majority of NB knows the first thing about Hyperbole, beyond that silly definition google provides.
- It's funny you should mention that, when 1) Raikage dodged behind Amaterasu's flame because Sasuke's line of sight was affected - proven by that glass incident - and 2) Amaterasu simply latched on the Samuari, Sasuke never focused it upon him. He had looked away by that time.
As for chakra, then I am still correct, as all individuals run on life force, which is, their chakra. Another weightless argument.
1. Why are you asking me for a scan for a claim I didn't make? You and Dante are the ones claming NE had been sapped so why are you even bringing this up?
2. You stated Amateratsu can burn though the 5 elements, Garaa sand is made up of earth. Stop being so dense
3. I don't care about you opinons I take it since you have no counter argument then the point in my 4th statement stands
4. Ok? Everyone knows science how is that relevant?
5. The sun burns at over 20x more degrees tha and fire found on earth and metals melting point is is much lower than that. The moment Amateratsu made contact with the metal, it should have burned it. If Amateratsu was hotter than the sun, than everyone in the room would be dead when it was used.
6. You obviously are in denial. If Sasuke had looked away, than the Samurai would not have got burned. Every time Amateratsu is used, it is focused on a target. You haven't refuted not a single thing I said
Try posting something related to the thread.
