Gai vs Deidara, Sasori, Hidan, Kakuzu, Konan, Zetsu

[Draegod]

The other Akatsuki members are overall stronger

Severely incorrect! Its all about match ups, such as Sasori being a good match up for itachi, and the fact Deidara on any day straight beats kisame every time (non disputable!). The only two akatsuki members that are head and shoulders above the rest are the two leaders (Obito and Nagato). Besides that they are all (excluding Hidan) around the same playing ground in terms of deadliness.

 

[LuckyMan]

The Afternoon Tiger inconsistency is really what this fight is about. His first use of it blasted Kisame back and the explosion dwarfed the Turtle Island, but his second use blasted Madara back, yet no one (Bee, Kakashi, Obito, Naruto) were hit by the explosion, nor did they brace or feel the shockwave from it despite the area they fought in is dwarfed by Turtle Island.

Even if he goes 7G off the bat, guys like Deidara and Zetsu just tunnel underground and appear elsewhere. I don't think he has a counter for C3 or C4 and once Deidara gets in the air, its over.

 

[New Dawn]

Lol hidan solos Gai. He cant do shit to Hidan.

 

[Unorthodox]

Deidara solos this med diff

 

[KidGamer65]

One shots them all at once? What?

Weaken it with Kakuzu's fuuton (as I was just recently told it too is just air pressure) and IS can withstand it, Domu can withstand it, Deidara can just flat out avoid it and the rest aren't really needed. Hell Hidan can probably tank that shit.


Gai gets stomped.

Honestly thinking Kakuzu might be able to solo him now.

Deidara always could.

-Complains when people say he wanks Kakuzu.
-Thinks he can possibly solo Gai.

Lmao. Gai may lose this, but this post is filled with nothing but BS. Your boy gets thrashed. So does Deidara, especially if it's full intel.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

How does their assistance reduce his need for the 7th Gate? Bijuus are Bijuus fam. If Naruto didn't get his BM they'd all be dead, or Gai would've 8th Gated and died (would've been sicker that way imo).

....Son. When the Biju were only in V2, Kakashi and Gai were holding back to measure their powers (Stated by Kakashi). Then they went full BM, and Gai's first course of action would of been going straight into the 8th gate. Your point holds no weight, and doesn't even strengthen the notion that you suggest. Gai isn't going to go soft against 6 Akatsuki members from the start, and put himself in an even more disadvantage when they set up. He has the necessary speed to make the first strike, and it might as well be a big one.

Severely incorrect! Its all about match ups, such as Sasori being a good match up for itachi, and the fact Deidara on any day straight beats kisame every time (non disputable!). The only two akatsuki members that are head and shoulders above the rest are the two leaders (Obito and Nagato). Besides that they are all (excluding Hidan) around the same playing ground in terms of deadliness.

Match ups are match ups, but it doesn't change the fact that they're portrayed and displayed by feats on different levels. Obito, Nagato, Itachi, and Kisame are simply on a whole other level then these guys. I guess Sasori isn't overall stronger then Chiyo and Sakura, because, you know, it's all about match ups.

The Afternoon Tiger inconsistency is really what this fight is about. His first use of it blasted Kisame back and the explosion dwarfed the Turtle Island, but his second use blasted Madara back, yet no one (Bee, Kakashi, Obito, Naruto) were hit by the explosion, nor did they brace or feel the shockwave from it despite the area they fought in is dwarfed by Turtle Island.

Even if he goes 7G off the bat, guys like Deidara and Zetsu just tunnel underground and appear elsewhere. I don't think he has a counter for C3 or C4 and once Deidara gets in the air, its over.

The first use of Hirudora exploded on impact of Kisame, it didn't push him back. The one used on Madara pushed him away, yet the blast radius was seen directly behind Obito [

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], whom was nowhere near Madara the next time we saw him. The only thing inconsistent was the lack of aftermath shown the second time, but that doesn't take anything away from it's destructive power.

We already seen how fast and far Gai

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in the 6th gate, let alone the 7th. Then with the boost of his turtle summon (which Deidara knows nothing about, nor should expect) Gai can jump even twice as high. That should easily get him at least relatively close to Deidara, where a large scale AoE of Morning Peacock [

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] should knock Deidara out of the sky, where he proceeds to hulk smash. Only reason Akatsuki are winning is due to Zetsu, and Gai being outlasted. And even then it's a high-diff fight.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Not entirely sure who wins here, but one thing is for certain. These noobs get wrecked one-on-one, bad.

The only real threats here are Sasori and Deidara. Hidan can potentially be a threat but only when in company of the others; otherwise he just gets smacked as hard as Kakuzu and the rest. Depending on what Gai does first he can potentially take out a great deal of them off the bat with an attack none of them bar Zetsu can defend against (Hirudora).

SN: It's funny that Kakuzu v Gai used to be debatable.

 

[Apêx1]

....Son. When the Biju were only in V2, Kakashi and Gai were holding back to measure their powers (Stated by Kakashi). Then they went full BM, and Gai's first course of action would of been going straight into the 8th gate. Your point holds no weight, and doesn't even strengthen the notion that you suggest. Gai isn't going to go soft against 6 Akatsuki members from the start, and put himself in an even more disadvantage when they set up. He has the necessary speed to make the first strike, and it might as well be a big one.

Incorrect. Hirudora takes A LOT out of Gai in 7th Gate. If he does it he pretty much is asking for a loss against people like Deidara and Zetsu who can just go underground and dodge it. Hidan would survive, same with Konan, rest might as well die. Doesn't change anything since he won't know where they will pop out. He can keep attacking Hidan and Konan, sure, but Deidara is bound to take flight if that's the case. Mayfly will happen every time prior to Gai being able to blitz and attacking, especially given the amount of clones he can create. Gai starting off with Hirudora would be out of character in my opinion, but even if he does it, he still loses pretty badly as 2 people can literally run around until his bones/muscles are all smashed.

Edit: Sasori is portrayed to be on a level comparable to Kisame's, if not higher. He beat the most powerful Kazekage BY FAR. He destroyed a nation with his puppets alone. He has 298 Human puppets but only showed 2 of them (they probably all have KKG or something special about them). After he beat him his new strongest weapon became the Kazekage. That means without his strongest weapon he is stronger than the strongest Kazekage ever. Deidara admitted inferiority to him like Kisame admitted inferiority to Itachi.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Incorrect. Hirudora takes A LOT out of Gai in 7th Gate. If he does it he pretty much is asking for a loss against people like Deidara and Zetsu who can just go underground and dodge it. Hidan would survive, same with Konan, rest might as well die. Doesn't change anything since he won't know where they will pop out. He can keep attacking Hidan and Konan, sure, but Deidara is bound to take flight if that's the case. Mayfly will happen every time prior to Gai being able to blitz and attacking, especially given the amount of clones he can create. Gai starting off with Hirudora would be out of character in my opinion, but even if he does it, he still loses pretty badly as 2 people can literally run around until his bones/muscles are all smashed.

Edit: Sasori is portrayed to be on a level comparable to Kisame's, if not higher. He beat the most powerful Kazekage BY FAR. He destroyed a nation with his puppets alone. He has 298 Human puppets but only showed 2 of them (they probably all have KKG or something special about them). After he beat him his new strongest weapon became the Kazekage. That means without his strongest weapon he is stronger than the strongest Kazekage ever. Deidara admitted inferiority to him like Kisame admitted inferiority to Itachi.

>Used Morning Peacock on a huge scale, then immediately follows up with Hirudora, with no immediate signs or slight indication that it took a lot out him.
>Used Hirudora effectively despite being extremely exhausted without the strength to even stand up on his own.

He'll be fine. If he doesn't, then he's asking for Sasori to set up IS, Deidara to take flight, Kakuzu to release his masks, etc. So you tell me which is more profitable; the answer is clear and obvious. Hidan would survive an indirect hit from Hirudora, but I don't see how Konan will. Sasori especially is obliterated, and so is Kakuzu if it's directly aimed at him regardless of Domo. Deidara and Zetsu can evade by taking refuge underground, sure. I already stated Gai couldn't possibly win due to this, but the notion of Akatsuki stomping was absolutely ridiculous. Gai destroying 3-4/6 of them from the start with 2 of them trolling underground and waiting it out because they know they'd get wrecked doesn't come anywhere close to a stomp match. And if Deidara does come out, I already explained how Gai easily knocks him out the sky (assuming he gets the chance).

Lmao, not even close to Kisames level feat wise or portrayal wise. Sasori obviously took down the Kazekage with an ambush or cheap sneak attack. If he really defeated him in a fair 1vs1, then that completely de-hypes the Kazekage, and makes him look pathetic if anything. The 3rd Kazekage is his strongest puppet, and was defeated by Sakura and Chiyo, thus the other inferior 298 puppets aren't really much to marvel about. Taking down an entire nation doesn't imply he solo'd any notably strong ninja. All Sasori's hype ain't shit, which is shown by his ain't shit cannon performances in early shippuden and the war arc.

 

[Apêx1]

>Used Morning Peacock on a huge scale, then immediately follows up with Hirudora, with no immediate signs or slight indication that it took a lot out him.
>Used Hirudora effectively despite being extremely exhausted without the strength to even stand up on his own.

He'll be fine. If he doesn't, then he's asking for Sasori to set up IS, Deidara to take flight, Kakuzu to release his masks, etc. So you tell me which is more profitable; the answer is clear and obvious. Hidan would survive an indirect hit from Hirudora, but I don't see how Konan will. Sasori especially is obliterated, and so is Kakuzu if it's directly aimed at him regardless of Domo. Deidara and Zetsu can evade by taking refuge underground, sure. I already stated Gai couldn't possibly win due to this, but the notion of Akatsuki stomping was absolutely ridiculous. Gai destroying 3-4/6 of them from the start with 2 of them trolling underground and waiting it out because they know they'd get wrecked doesn't come anywhere close to a stomp match. And if Deidara does come out, I already explained how Gai easily knocks him out the sky (assuming he gets the chance).

Lmao, not even close to Kisames level feat wise or portrayal wise. Sasori obviously took down the Kazekage with an ambush or cheap sneak attack. If he really defeated him in a fair 1vs1, then that completely de-hypes the Kazekage, and makes him look pathetic if anything. The 3rd Kazekage is his strongest puppet, and was defeated by Sakura and Chiyo, thus the other inferior 298 puppets aren't really much to bask about. Taking down an entire nation doesn't imply he solo'd any notably strong ninja. All Sasori's hype is lackluster af, which is proven by his lackluster cannon performances in early shippuden and the war arc.

Fair enough on he exhaustion part.

He doesn't know about IS in the first place. Doubt he knows about Kakuzu's masks or Deidara's flight, given the last time he saw Deidara he wasn't flying. So nah, no reason to give him all this intel, let alone assume he is intelligent enough to deduce the odds of winning without starting with Hirudora vs with. Konan can just turn into paper I'd assume, don't know much about her. She won't be in the centre of the explosion. Sasori dies, sure. Kakuzu dies if he's anywhere close to the centre, but I'd assume he's fast enough to run to the side given he's >Kakashi in speed. As long as he's decently far from the centre he'll survive with Domu. And lol @bold, I consider that a stomp because the numbers don't count. What counts is the condition of the last person alive. If he's unscathed then Gai never stood a chance to begin with, if 2 people are unscathed then the same applies (in my opinion of a stomp). And Deidara is doubtably coming out himself, if anything it'll be a Nendo Bunshin waiting to explode.

Uhhh what? Sasori clearly stated it was difficult for him to do so and that's why he was his favourite puppet; because of the effort it took [

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]. It's clearly stated he was an OPPONENT who was difficult to DEFEAT. So nah, it wasn't a sneak attack by any means, that's wild speculation at best. And what? It was stated while Gaara was Kazekage that the Sandaime was the strongest Kazekage BY FAR [

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]. So your 'dehyping' is laughable at best because you wanting to dehype him doesn't actually mean anything. Fact is he was practically the strongest, or on of the strongest shinobi of his time, and stronger than Gaara "BY FAR". So no, he's pretty much at a similar level as Kisame hype wise. Because he is stronger then the powerful Sandaime prior to having him in his arsenal, and then adding him practically doubles his power. People don't seem to realise Sasori can have 99 puppets fight while Satetsu is in the back firing 1-shot-kill IS at blinding speeds. So yea, he's practically at a similar level, and losing to Chiyo+Sasuke doesn't take away from that particular hype. He's a 1 scratch-win fighter. They had antidotes and intel, and overall a horrendous match-up.

 

[DrProof]

Going to be straight up, and name the Akatsuki Gai pulverizes with difficulties. No wank homies:

-Hidan; No Diff
-Zetsu; No-Low Diff (Not fluent on Zetsu knowledge)
-Konan; Low-Mid Diff (Also depends if she is prepped with that billion paper explosive technique)
-Kakuzu; Low Diff (Kakuzu isn't good against speedsters unless he's long range, still Gai dodges everything, then annihilates)
-Sasori; Mid-Kinda High (Sasori has so many tricks mainly poison. Once Gai speeds through, or thinks he's go the advantage he eats a face full of poison etc. But overall Gai would win)
-Deidara; Mid-Kinda High (C4 is dangerous, Gai has no counter, C0 is a suicide tactic once again no counter. But Gai would blitz Deidara before either are used, and before Deidara takes to the skies. If Deidara takes to the skies he could possibly win extremely high diff, but I honestly even doubt that..)

Not fluent in Gai knowledge since War-Arc so my bad if this is a bit off.

 

[Apêx1]

Going to be straight up, and name the Akatsuki Gai pulverizes with difficulties. No wank homies:

-Hidan; No Diff
-Zetsu; No-Low Diff (Not fluent on Zetsu knowledge)
-Konan; Low-Mid Diff (Also depends if she is prepped with that billion paper explosive technique)
-Kakuzu; Low Diff (Kakuzu isn't good against speedsters unless he's long range, still Gai dodges everything, then annihilates)
-Sasori; Mid-Kinda High (Sasori has so many tricks mainly poison. Once Gai speeds through, or thinks he's go the advantage he eats a face full of poison etc. But overall Gai would win)
-Deidara; Mid-Kinda High (C4 is dangerous, Gai has no counter, C0 is a suicide tactic once again no counter. But Gai would blitz Deidara before either are used, and before Deidara takes to the skies. If Deidara takes to the skies he could possibly win extremely high diff, but I honestly even doubt that..)

Not fluent in Gai knowledge since War-Arc so my bad if this is a bit off.

So much wank Proof foh

 

[DrProof]

So much wank Proof foh

On which character you little f*ck boy? Exactly none eat a d*ck and roll over. :scorps:

 

[Apêx1]

On which character you little f*ck boy? Exactly non eat a d*ck and roll over. :scorps:

Sounds like u mad because Zetsu solo's with clones and mayfly u lil shit clown

 

[DrProof]

Sounds like u mad because Zetsu solo's with clones and mayfly u lil shit clown

I don't have time for your SHIT. Hmu when you want to get stomped in a debate f*ck boy.

Nvm you ain't ready :vision:

 

[Apêx1]

I don't have time for your SHIT. Hmu when you want to get stomped in a debate f*ck boy.

Nvm you ain't ready :vision:

I'd smack yo ass any day of the week fam, gimme Sakura and you take SO6P and I'd still smash yo shitty ass formations

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Bye bye Gai, ez gg no re

 

[DrProof]

I'd smack yo ass any day of the week fam, gimme Sakura and you take SO6P and I'd still smash yo shitty ass formations

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Bye bye Gai, ez gg no re

group FTG is ass.

About to start a Shino vs Sakura war.. Can't wait for the Sakura fans.

 

[Apêx1]

group FTG is ass.

About to start a Shino vs Sakura war.. Can't wait for the Sakura fans.

Dafuq does that even mean

Lmao why are you putting Shino against weaklings, that won't glorify him at all u clown. Put him against big bois like Mizukage where he can sniff that clam out and sip on that water body

 

[Draegod]

....Son. When the Biju were only in V2, Kakashi and Gai were holding back to measure their powers (Stated by Kakashi). Then they went full BM, and Gai's first course of action would of been going straight into the 8th gate. Your point holds no weight, and doesn't even strengthen the notion that you suggest. Gai isn't going to go soft against 6 Akatsuki members from the start, and put himself in an even more disadvantage when they set up. He has the necessary speed to make the first strike, and it might as well be a big one.



Match ups are match ups, but it doesn't change the fact that they're portrayed and displayed by feats on different levels. Obito, Nagato, Itachi, and Kisame are simply on a whole other level then these guys. I guess Sasori isn't overall stronger then Chiyo and Sakura, because, you know, it's all about match ups.



The first use of Hirudora exploded on impact of Kisame, it didn't push him back. The one used on Madara pushed him away, yet the blast radius was seen directly behind Obito [

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], whom was nowhere near Madara the next time we saw him. The only thing inconsistent was the lack of aftermath shown the second time, but that doesn't take anything away from it's destructive power.

We already seen how fast and far Gai

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in the 6th gate, let alone the 7th. Then with the boost of his turtle summon (which Deidara knows nothing about, nor should expect) Gai can jump even twice as high. That should easily get him at least relatively close to Deidara, where a large scale AoE of Morning Peacock [

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] should knock Deidara out of the sky, where he proceeds to hulk smash. Only reason Akatsuki are winning is due to Zetsu, and Gai being outlasted. And even then it's a high-diff fight.

Disagree! Sasori hype easily shits on kisame a hype no diff! Sasori also beats kisame as well. I can see a case of itachi being near obito and Nagato but not kisame when he for sure does not defeat all of them nor is he the same lv as itachi and super far from obito and Nagato.

And even if we were to do fans opinions, kisame is in no ones top 20 just like the rest that are not doujutsu users.

 

[DrProof]

Dafuq does that even mean

Lmao why are you putting Shino against weaklings, that won't glorify him at all u clown. Put him against big bois like Mizukage where he can sniff that clam out and sip on that water body

I thought you linked it for the FTG claim or w/e. Just saw Fodderzetsu. Lol Dodged Rasenshuriken. Don't mean shit lmao!

Current Sakura isn't all that weak fam. Gotta save the real kage level opponents for later, one problem at a time