Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

If you want me to debate with you why this thread is faulty I will do so. Half this of this thread has been refuted anyways
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

This isn't the fanfic section
I suggest you re-read the manga, every Rikudou-related jutsu was designed for a purpose. Naruto's RSM gave him access to all elements, the TSB he has were designed to create dimensions using those elements.

In contrast, Sasuke's Amaterasu was designed to burn all elements, which JuubiJins are in possession of. Furthermore, he can teleport to Kaguya's dimensions.

It should be obvious Amaterasu was originally used as a tool to destroy Kaguya's dimensions, hence why they never extinguish until the target is gone.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)



Do you know the density of a Tailed Beast Bomb? They're dense. Dense enough to make the ground break under it's weight

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Without it even touching the ground.






Now add Nature Energy in proportion to the dense chakra, now consider the speed TBB is launched on average.

There's no feasible way Enton takes any significant power away from it. The only way it would is if it actually lived up to it's hype of being able to instanstly engulf things or be as hot as the sun.

Even then it would probably destabilize it and cause it to explode prematurely.


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That small ass TBB made a crater and then had the damage capability to burst through 3 Rashômon demon gates and still detonate.

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What does that have to do with the sapping effect. Amaterasu heat alone can cause changes in the atmosphere. A directly clash would sap the nature energy in the attack before the user can even gather it.

If Ama arrow and NAture infused TBB were to collide it would be weaker than normal.

Not really sure how the density of TBB proves anything. If Ama is shot at the same level it would overwhelm the attack.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

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Lawd Viz :bdpf:
That would hold merit if he knew about Limbo or Rimbo...



What does that have to do with the sapping effect. Amaterasu heat alone can cause changes in the atmosphere. A directly clash would sap the nature energy in the attack before the user can even gather it.

If Ama arrow and NAture infused TBB were to collide it would be weaker than normal.

Not really sure how the density of TBB proves anything. If Ama is shot at the same level it would overwhelm the attack.
The sapping effect does nothing significant. A direct clash causes it to explode. It wouldn't be weaker than normal due to it's density

The density of chakra is proportion to how much NE and White and Black Chakra is gathered.

It would take a Enton arrow of greater value than a NE TBB to do anything.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I'm calling bullshit on this statement.

Amaterasu or an Enton arrow would not be able to burn through it fast enough to make significant changes to it's output, with NE or without
This was already disproven in a debate he had with another memeber. Enton has not been canonically proven to sap NE
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

What does that have to do with the sapping effect. Amaterasu heat alone can cause changes in the atmosphere. A directly clash would sap the nature energy in the attack before the user can even gather it.

If Ama arrow and NAture infused TBB were to collide it would be weaker than normal.

Not really sure how the density of TBB proves anything. If Ama is shot at the same level it would overwhelm the attack.
You have like zero proof that it can sap NE. I can't wait to I roll up in the crib
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

This was already disproven in a debate he had with another memeber. Enton has not been canonically proven to sap NE
Manga and databook facts disagree.


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Viz translations:

Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)

Viz translation

Kabuto: "This jutsu brings the unliving to life and allows me to control them. It's different from a jutsu that simply manipulates with chakra... A bit extreme, don't you think?"

Kabuto: "The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."


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Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent

Caption: Stretching freely as if made of clay, the cavern's interior transforms. The unpredictable movement of the converging floor and ceiling even caught Itachi, genius of the Uchiha, off guard.
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I suggest you re-read the manga, every Rikudou-related jutsu was designed for a purpose. Naruto's RSM gave him access to all elements, the TSB he has were designed to create dimensions using those elements.

In contrast, Sasuke's Amaterasu was designed to burn all elements, which JuubiJins are in possession of. Furthermore, he can teleport to Kaguya's dimensions.

It should be obvious Amaterasu was originally used as a tool to destroy Kaguya's dimensions, hence why they never extinguish until the target is gone.
Thats just you assuming without any Feats or hype to back it up.

How does Amaterasu in anyway shape or form destory an entire dimension lmao?. Sasuke's Amaterasu nor any amaterasu user has shown power to destory top tier mokuton or dimensions.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

This thread is better than any nonsense you have posted.
u wish it was.


So hot madara's hair went from perfect to perf
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So hot it fails to melt iron
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So hot it can't evaporate water:
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Facts only.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Manga and databook facts disagree.


Manga facts


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Viz translations:

Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)

Viz translation

Kabuto: "This jutsu brings the unliving to life and allows me to control them. It's different from a jutsu that simply manipulates with chakra... A bit extreme, don't you think?"

Kabuto: "The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."


Databook Facts



Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent

Caption: Stretching freely as if made of clay, the cavern's interior transforms. The unpredictable movement of the converging floor and ceiling even caught Itachi, genius of the Uchiha, off guard.
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Your scan proves nothing. The cave was alive and reverted because of the heat. Nothing in this scan indicates that it was sapped
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

u wish it was.


So hot madara's hair went from perfect to perf
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So hot it fails to melt iron
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So hot it can't evaporate water:
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Facts only.
Facts only

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That would hold merit if he knew about Limbo or Rimbo...





The sapping effect does nothing significant. A direct clash causes it to explode. It wouldn't be weaker than normal due to it's density

The density of chakra is proportion to how much NE and White and Black Chakra is gathered.

It would take a Enton arrow of greater value than a NE TBB to do anything.

That's assuming the density of the object needs to be at a comparable size for it to take effect. The cave was much larger than the Enton Sasuke used against KAbuto.
 

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That's assuming the density of the object needs to be at a comparable size for it to take effect. The cave was much larger than the Enton Sasuke used against KAbuto.
You're implying the entire cave was alive.

Also, once again. It's a cave made of rocks. Rocks retain heat rather quickly. Amaterasu is hot as ****.

Density of a NE infused TBB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Density of a NE infused rock

If you can't see how this would speed up the process of it burning or "sapping" NE. Then I'm done talking about this with you.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

You're implying the entire cave was alive.

Also, once again. It's a cave made of rocks. Rocks retain heat rather quickly. Amaterasu is hot as ****.

Density of a NE infused TBB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Density of a NE infused rock

If you can't see how this would speed up the process of it burning or "sapping" NE. Then I'm done talking about this with you.
Natural Energry is intangible my dude. It can't be burned nor was it sapped. Not saying you said it was, just throwing it out there
 
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