The One, Undeniable Fact That Nobody Can Deny

[Osmon]

3T Sasuke >>> Kyuubi & Naruto

#MangaFactsOnly.

 

[Zawerni]

3T Sasuke > 1 tail Kyuubi & Naruto

#MangaFactsOnly.

 

[Aznkidd]

The Bijuus chakra was just an alternative for Sasuke's deceased Six Paths chakra at that time, just a temporary requirement. He doesn't need the bijuus anymore.

Took several days for cool down ...

 

[Styles]

Naruto wasn't fighting seriously. Even Sasuke acknowledged it.

And Sasuke wasn't using any of his strongest techniques besides PS. Naruto wasn't serious but he was going all out be became serious when Sasuke used his power to get the Bijuu's chakra.

He should of won then no problem right? Cause he didnt lol or should I show scans? Stfu

Wow you're dumb. When Sasuke used his power to get the Bijuu's chakra Naruto used his power to get a power up too. And still stalemated. Even before that they was stalemating.

 

[Fockboy]

3T Sasuke >>> Kyuubi & Naruto

#MangaFactsOnly.

rinne+ems seems par

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then i figured out the truth

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[Chaosmark101]

3T Sasuke >>> Kyuubi & Naruto

#MangaFactsOnly.

Fanfic. You need MS to control the Kyuubi.

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Bijuu dama Is GGnoRe btw

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke had chakra from Yang Kurama & 8 other bijuu's.
Please Naruto was keeping up just fine before Sasukes power up

It wasn't 100% of their chakra tough, in fact it was less than 50% Kurama because if I recall, he had enough chakra to overpower the bijuu's TBB. Therefore, Naruto either had equivalent amounts or more of chakra to match Sasuke's Susanoo, it's still an impressive feat imo.

 

[Chaosmark101]

It wasn't 100% of their chakra tough, in fact it was less than 50% Kurama because if I recall, he had enough chakra to overpower the bijuu's TBB. Therefore, Naruto either had equivalent amounts or more of chakra to match Sasuke's Susanoo, it's still an impressive feat imo.

He still had Alot given his susanoo took on a new more powerful form.

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[Ultimateone]

And Sasuke wasn't using any of his strongest techniques besides PS. Naruto wasn't serious but he was going all out be became serious when Sasuke used his power to get the Bijuu's chakra.


Wow you're dumb. When Sasuke used his power to get the Bijuu's chakra Naruto used his power to get a power up too. And still stalemated. Even before that they was stalemating.

What you are failing to realize is, normally sasuke wouldn't have bijuu to draw chakra from. On the other hand naruto can use natural energy any time because nature is everywhere. So while sasuke has the ability to absorb that chakra, normally he wouldn't have that power from them. Thus any other time he would have been severely outclassed. He just was in a good situation at the time. Not to mention he subdued them right before the conflict otherwise it would have been impossible.

 

[Styles]

What you are failing to realize is, normally sasuke wouldn't have bijuu to draw chakra from. On the other hand naruto can use natural energy any time because nature is everywhere. So while sasuke has the ability to absorb that chakra, normally he wouldn't have that power from them. Thus any other time he would have been severely outclassed. He just was in a good situation at the time. Not to mention he subdued them right before the conflict otherwise it would have been impossible.

Not really if Naruto just shot TBB's FRS etc Sasuke don't have to match the power output he can simply dodge it use ameno to throw it somewhere else etc versatility is his strongest weapon.

 

[Fockboy]

Not really if Naruto just shot TBB's FRS etc Sasuke don't have to match the power output he can simply dodge it use ameno to throw it somewhere else etc versatility is his strongest weapon.

he cant spam ameno but okay mr wank

 

[Umari Senju]

Naruto needed Kurama's power to match MS Sasuke

SM Naruto > MS Sasuke

EMS Sasuke> SM Naruto

KCM Naruto =/< EMS Sauke

BSM Naruto =/> EMS Sasuke

Rikudo Mode Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke

 

[Styles]

he cant spam ameno but okay mr wank

Did I say he can spam it dummy? I said simply evade or use ameno. In the manga Sasuke used ameno 3/4 times and closed his eye vs Madara. How is what I said in any way shape or form wank?

 

[Fockboy]

Did I say he can spam it dummy? I said simply evade or use ameno. In the manga Sasuke used ameno 3/4 times and closed his eye vs Madara. How is what I said in any way shape or form wank?

hes not ameno a continuous tbb

 

[Styles]

hes not ameno a continuous tbb

His PS is fast enough to dodge em probably even tank it, continuous TBB's aren't as strong as a compacted one. Or he can simply use Susano'o arrow to make em explode on impact. Like I said his power is versatility. He don't need big bang and flashy jutsu's to match big bang and flashy.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

naruto needed kurama to fight 2t sasuke

naruto needed kurama to fight 3t sasuke

naruto needed kurama to fight base sasuke in pt. 2

naruto needed hagoromo power and kuramanpower to fight tomoe rinnegan sasuke who doesnt use rinnegan techs

rsm naruto < 3t sasuke in gaiden

 

[lucario14]

If Naruto didn't have kurama gather all the natural energy of the planet, he would've been obliterated. Not sure what you mean by "keep up" either because IIRC Naruto couldn't use a single TBB before that. Face it, they were at stalemate before Sasuke took in the Bijuu chakra and after Naruto gathered natural energy.

If anyone can't keep up its Naruto without kurama. Hope off his sack OP

 

[the last shinobi]

only one compared to nine sad...thanks for proving our point tho

he didn't need the bijuu to gather chakra for him & provide chakra for him for entire fight sasuke only used them for one attack, and the bijuu weren't giving him tips during the fight

 

[The Demon Hawk]

It was a requirement for the BijuuPS since he used it as Gedo Manzou for Outer Path, so of course its a requirement. I don't think people realize that it cannot be created any other way, it's impossible.

He can either do it that way, or summon the Gedo.

I'll explain it to you in two ways:

1.

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Firstly, you must understand that the potency of the Six Paths chakra is proportionate to the Ten Tails chakra (or the Bijuus chakra). It was clearly shown in Naruto and Sasuke's fight against Madara that Naruto's Six Paths Sage chakra and Sasuke's Six Paths chakra rivalled the power of the Ten Tails chakra.

Moreover, when Naruto and Sasuke first confronted Madara after receiving powers from Hagoromo, Madara acquainted that Naruto awakened the Six Paths Senjutsu and Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan, and he had both of those powers together.

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This implies that the power of the Six Paths Senjutsu chakra (Naruto's Six Paths Yang chakra powered by Senjutsu) is equal to that of the Ten Tails chakra.

And Hagoromo endowed Sasuke with the Six Paths Yin chakra, which even greater in power than the Six Paths Yang chakra, and perfectly equal in power to the Six Paths Yang chakra powered by Senjutsu, shown on various places.

Therefore, we can conclude that Six Paths Yin chakra (Sasuke's Rikodou chakra counterpart) is equal to the Bijuus chakra (or the Ten Tails chakra) in terms of power.
Six Paths Yin chakra = Bijuus chakra.

In their final fight, Sasuke was extremely low if not completely out of Six Paths chakra (you can't argue with that since it was very much evident, he fought Madara and Kaguya almost entirely with Six Paths chakra and was losing control of his Rinnegan due to that, and he didn't have surplus supplies of chakra like Naruto's Kurama, so he'd definitely last much shorter than Naruto in battle). Since Sasuke lacked Six Paths chakra, he couldn't use his most powerful techniques to fight Naruto. He needed an alternative of parallel power to the Six Paths chakra to produce the "BijuuPS" and Indra's Arrow, and that was apparently the Bijuus chakra.

He only used the Bijuus chakra at that time because he was out of Six Paths chakra, but required to use techniques that required Six Paths chakra or an alternative of comparable power. It was clearly a temporary requirement. He doesn't need it anymore because it only substituted the Six Paths chakra which is no longer absent, since Sasuke will have sufficient supplies of Six Paths chakra next time.

Now, the form of Susanoo Sasuke creates with this won't exactly be the "BijuuPS" but an equivalent version. It won't necessarily look similar to the BijuusPS. But it will undoubtedly be stronger than PS and equivalent in power to the BijuuPS. It will also be able to use techniques that require BijuuPS like Indra's Arrow.

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Now we'll proceed to this part (which will explain and clarify my point further).

We know very well that Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is required to form a Perfect Susanoo (if used with Indra's chakra).
Indra's chakra + EMS = PS.

But if Six Paths chakra is used instead of the Uchiha's chakra, then only the Mangekyo Sharingan is sufficient to develop the Perfect Susanoo. Both Sasuke and Kakashi have demonstrated this.
Six Paths chakra + MS = PS

But what about Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan combined with Six Paths chakra?
Six Paths chakra + EMS = ?

Ever thought about that? You haven't, I have. So let's get to it.

Kakashi had both eyes of Obito (MS) which were given to him along with the Six Paths chakra (Bijuus chakra/Ten Tails chakra = Six Paths chakra as I've explained previously). He used those powers to form PS.

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In the recent chapter, Sasuke used MS to create the PS head. And there is a reason for using MS instead of EMS. Sasuke was about to use his Rinnegan to transfer himself, Naruto and the others to one of Kaguya's dimensions. This technique requires a lot of chakra, so he couldn't do it with his default chakra. So logically, we can assume he was using Six Paths chakra. And because he was using Six Paths chakra, he used MS to create PS (because jumping to EMS was unnecessary since MS was a sufficient and minimum requirement for PS along with Six Paths chakra. He would have used EMS to form PS but only if he was using his own chakra which he couldn't because travelling through dimensions requires a lot more chakra than what he has by default).

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And now coming to the point, if MS can create PS, what will EMS bring out in conjunction with the Six Paths chakra? Obviously, something greater than the PS. Something equal to BijuuPS (because Bijuus chakra = Six Paths chakra). It may or may not look like the BijuuPS but will definitely possess similar power. So Sasuke can also use Indra's Arrow with this Ultimate Susanoo. It will rival Naruto's 3 faced Kurama Avatar. But the 3 faced Kurama Avatar will only manifest after a huge amount of natural energy is gathered. Whereas Sasuke can manifest the Ultimate Susanoo whenever he desires, almost immediately if it's so required.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sasuke needed to absorb the Bijuus powers to keep up with Naruto. So Yeah... Think what you want but that will always be etched into the Manga Facts

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In the end this was the result, but I think Kishi made them equals.

only one compared to nine sad...thanks for proving our point tho

Lord Salt is lurking...

OT: He did require the bijuu.

Sasuke had chakra from Yang Kurama & 8 other bijuu's.
Please Naruto was keeping up just fine before Sasukes power up

Nope, Sasuke was matching Naruto before he took their chakra, once he took it he overwhelmed Naruto until Naruto recieved all the Natural energy above ground.

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Naruto had chakra from all the Bijuu aswell,the Sage said it twice.

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And Sasuke said it twice.

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When Sasuke got chakra from the Bijuu,the Kyuubi gathered,and gave all the natural energy aboveground to Naruto since Naruto was too busy fighting Sasuke too gather chakra on his own.Natural energy is mixed with the users physical energy,and spiritual energy to make Senjutsu,so when Sasuke got chakra from the Bijuu Naruto got a big boost of natural energy,and Senjutsu,which powered him up.

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Did you forget that? Not notice? Or just decide not to mention it as a way to make Naruto seem better?

You guys should also keep in mind that Masashi Sasuke lose his sword right before the battle, and had him not use multiple techniques on Naruto at all with no explanation such as Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin.

rinne+ems seems par

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then i figured out the truth

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Sasuke was talking about ideology, bot the physical battle which obviously ended in a draw with them both being in the exact same condition.

Naruto himself doesn't even feel that himself of Sasuke won or loss.

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Fanfic. You need MS to control the Kyuubi.

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Bijuu dama Is GGnoRe btw

Dude we already seen Tobi use just the Sharingan to control the Kyuubi during the Konoha attack flashback.

What you are failing to realize is, normally sasuke wouldn't have bijuu to draw chakra from. On the other hand naruto can use natural energy any time because nature is everywhere. So while sasuke has the ability to absorb that chakra, normally he wouldn't have that power from them. Thus any other time he would have been severely outclassed. He just was in a good situation at the time. Not to mention he subdued them right before the conflict otherwise it would have been impossible.

Sasuke only needed the Bijuus chakra to overpower Naruto, before hand they were matching each other. And he only needed it to overpower Naruto cause he had not mastered the Rinnegan, while giving Naruto intel,and battle strategies against their opponent, the Kyuubi told Naruto due to Sasuke being new to the Rinnegan he could not absorb techniques while having his own activated. Him not having mastered the Rinnegan worked in their favor.

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