Kurama Chakra Shikamaru and Ay vs. Gai and Kakashi

[Brother Numpsay]

That's Shikamaru using his shadow first, and then connecting to Kakashi's Shadow, and then making contact with the foe. Which doesn't work if he's on Ay's back. His shadow won't touch Ay's shadow if he's not on the ground and instead on top of Ay. If he can't connect his shadow to Ay's shadow, then you can forget about this whole backpack nonsense working.

??? Dude a Shadow is still present when your body is not that far off from the ground.[

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]. And the first scan I post Shikimaru strikes Hidan, his feet wasn't planted when that happened.

Baseless assumption. Warping things in and out and yourself in and out work the same exact way. The rest is irrelevant. Kakashi using Kamui when he needs to isn't out of character. Don't make excuses to nullify arguments that would end Ay and his partner's life.

If Gai is caught, then Kamui warps the opponent away once Ay is still. That simple.

Forgot about Bee vs Juubi scenario...

If anything Shikmaru intel would make sure Ay doesn't stay still. Once he is in grip with someone, he leaves them in a choke hold and attack and dodge the next opponent, then strike the next one.

 

[KidGamer65]

??? Dude a Shadow is still present when your body is not that far off from the ground.[

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The shadow being present while in mid air isn't the issue. The shadow being present while you are on top of a solid surface or another human being is the issue, and I'm telling you that it isn't possible.

Forgot about Bee vs Juubi scenario...

If anything Shikmaru intel would make sure Ay doesn't stay still. Once he is in grip with someone, he leaves them in a choke hold and attack and dodge the next opponent, then strike the next one.

Unless Ay is Shunshin'ing every chance he gets, this plain isn't going to work. If Ay goes after Gai, he gets hit by Kamui and he won't even see it coming. Nor will his partner. He can't react, nor will he evade once the barrier is already on his body. Either he engages Gai or he runs from Kamui. He obviously can't do both.

 

[Strict]

Team 2 rustles their jimmies.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The shadow being present while in mid air isn't the issue. The shadow being present while you are on top of a solid surface or another human being is the issue, and I'm telling you that it isn't possible.

Reading this like 10 times. Your not making any sense here. Shiki is behind Ay, not on top of Ay, which connects both Shadows together.

Unless Ay is Shunshin'ing every chance he gets, this plain isn't going to work. If Ay goes after Gai, he gets hit by Kamui and he won't even see it coming. Nor will his partner. He can't react, nor will he evade once the barrier is already on his body. Either he engages Gai or he runs from Kamui. He obviously can't do both.

Guy doesnt have moves that would keep Kakashi safe, so blitzing Kakashi would be perfectly fine. Once Guy goes gates to parry Ay from blitzing Kakashi, he gets caught, and becomes irrelevant for Ay focusing on his first intent opponent.

No, in fact. Once Guy is caught, Shikimaru can have Guy copy Ay's blitzing, which means Kakashi get's blitz from 2 directions.

 

[Char Aznable]

Gai and Kakashi win.

Shikamaru has no offensive jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Reading this like 10 times. Your not making any sense here. Shiki is behind Ay, not on top of Ay, which connects both Shadows together.

Dafuq? Do I have to take multiple posts where you said that Shikamaru would "piggy back" Ay? Lmao. Don't switch up your argument and say that I make no sense.

Guy doesnt have moves that would keep Kakashi safe, so blitzing Kakashi would be perfectly fine. Once Guy goes gates to parry Ay from blitzing Kakashi, he gets caught, and becomes irrelevant for Ay focusing on his first intent opponent.

Intercepting Ay as a whole is what keeps Kakashi safe, obviously. Ay is slower than 7G Gai. If he tries to blitz Kakashi, Gai enters the 7th Gate and intercepts his blitz. Once he gets caught Kamui warps him away.

No, in fact. Once Guy is caught, Shikimaru can have Guy copy Ay's blitzing, which means Kakashi get's blitz from 2 directions.

Not gonna happen before Kakashi uses Kamui. The moment Ay and Gai make contact and stop for that brief moment is the moment Ay gets warped away. That simple.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Dafuq? Do I have to take multiple posts where you said that Shikamaru would "piggy back" Ay? Lmao. Don't switch up your argument and say that I make no sense.

Thats literally what piggy back ride is, wheres the switch up Lol? a ride on someone's back and shoulders.

Shikimaru can use his shadow ability by physical contact, fact. Any thing your saying on this part is baseless. Your gonna have to draw out or show manga pages to explain how Shiki is not being able to do, when what we see in manga.

Intercepting Ay as a whole is what keeps Kakashi safe, obviously. Ay is slower than 7G Gai. If he tries to blitz Kakashi, Gai enters the 7th Gate and intercepts his blitz. Once he gets caught Kamui warps him away.

I thought it was established Ay is faster Shishuin wise and slower in everything else? Either way Kamui is not faster then any of these two so once Guy makes contact, both move out of Kamui's range.

Not gonna happen before Kakashi uses Kamui. The moment Ay and Gai make contact and stop for that brief moment is the moment Ay gets warped away. That simple.

How is Kamui faster then their body flicker contact?

 

[EZQ]

This plan only works if Shikamaru makes contact. Not Ay. Shikamaru's attempts are easily countered, whether it's by Gai in CQC or by Kakashi using a long range Kamui to take this guy (or both) out when Ay is busy fighting Gai. He can't sense Kamui, nor will he feel it until it's too late.

And even if this terrible plan wasn't so terrible and they caught Gai (Never Kakashi considering he has Gai protecting him from Ay's speed) what do they do next? If he tries to body slam Gai, Kamui would warp him away. Kamui would warp Gai away and back to safety the moment he was caught by the shadow. This plan never works. Ever.

Team 2 stomps. Gai plays with Ay in CQC and obliterates with a Hirudora, or he gets into CQC with Ay where Kakashi snipes him while he's not paying any attention.

Or gai can simply aproach Ay with CQC and use Hirudora from a short distance, he did that against JJ Madara and Ay is probably not dodging that.

Anyways this all depends on how fast V2 Ay is if he has Kurama's chakra. If it gives him a speed boost maybe he could solo

 

[KidGamer65]

Thats literally what piggy back ride is, wheres the switch up Lol? a ride on someone's back and shoulders.

I'll drop this point then.

I thought it was established Ay is faster Shishuin wise and slower in everything else? Either way Kamui is not faster then any of these two so once Guy makes contact, both move out of Kamui's range.

Nope. There is a gap in movement between them rushing each other and making contact, and then stopping to move again. That's when Kamui hits, or while they are doing that, Kakashi swaps out with a Raiton Bunshin or two and warps to the other dimension, so when Ay and/or Gai rush at him, they both get paralyzed and the original comes back from the other dimension and snipes the paralyzed Ay away.

How is Kamui faster then their body flicker contact?

Never once said it was.

Or gai can simply aproach Ay with CQC and use Hirudora from a short distance, he did that against JJ Madara and Ay is probably not dodging that.

Anyways this all depends on how fast V2 Ay is if he has Kurama's chakra. If it gives him a speed boost maybe he could solo

That too, but OP will probably respond with "Out of character" and all that jazz.

Nope. He's not soloing even w/ a Kurama chakra speed boost. He can't blitz Gai, nor can he beat him in CQC, nor can he tank Hirudora.

 

[EZQ]

Nope. He's not soloing even w/ a Kurama chakra speed boost. He can't blitz Gai, nor can he beat him in CQC, nor can he tank Hirudora.

With a chakra cloack he could potentially dodge hirudora (no need to tank it) and it also gives a huge power boost, look what Hinata did to the Juubi's hand when she got the kiuuby's cloack. It depends on how much it boosts Ay's speed and power, but if it is in the same proportion Hinata's strenght grew then he could potentially wreck Gai with just one punch.

 

[KidGamer65]

With a chakra cloack he could potentially dodge hirudora (no need to tank it) and it also gives a huge power boost, look what Hinata did to the Juubi's hand when she got the kiuuby's cloack. It depends on how much it boosts Ay's speed and power, but if it is in the same proportion Hinata's strenght grew then he could potentially wreck Gai with just one punch.

If Gai gets in his face and releases Hirudora (or does it while they are in CQC), it's GG. He won't dodge it. That's Hinata's jutsu. Zero proof that physical strength or physical speed increases in the same manner.

 

[Apêx1]

If Gai gets in his face and releases Hirudora (or does it while they are in CQC), it's GG. He won't dodge it. That's Hinata's jutsu. Zero proof that physical strength or physical speed increases in the same manner.

Didn't Ino become faster than Naruto?

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[EZQ]

If Gai gets in his face and releases Hirudora (or does it while they are in CQC), it's GG. He won't dodge it. That's Hinata's jutsu. Zero proof that physical strength or physical speed increases in the same manner.

Lightining sunshin is a jutsu as well. Also Rock Lee enhaced with Kurama's chakra was able to go trough madara's body with just one kick, that's evidence for Kurama's cloack increasing physicall abilities as well.

If it is that way, Gai wouldn't even get the chance to get in Ay's face to release Hirudora, since Ay would just dodge before Ay releases it and go to Gai's back to atack him.