No time limit needs to be mentioned for it to be implicative. Ay can only raise his chakra to Bijuu levels for so long, whereas Hashirama is Bijuu level indefinitely. So either way, he loses v2 shroud from Samehada and it will have a massive effect on his reserves.
There isn't anything hinting at a time limit apart of the lack of evidence, which isn't necessarily evidence of him being unable to given his reserves . With his reserves, there shouldn't be any cause for him being unable to use for a longer period or for the Shroud to have a set time limit. I'm sure I'll get to this again more as we go down the post.
@Bold: The entire point of the discussion, which I strongly, strongly disagree with.
@Underlined: Never disagreed that if his chakra is absorbed in that state, it'd be bad. But the dude has enough stamina to continue fighting, it won't cripple him immediately.
I said it's not a direct comparison, reading comprehension 101. I'm simply proving Ay isn't Bijuu level by nature.
No, it's not. But you're using the fundamental principles from it, which is why I am saying it's bull shit. He's raising his chakra levels to Bijuu-size, right? That is what you're saying. The question I have is;
What jutsu/skill does he possess to suddenly give him large, bijuu comparable levels of chakra.
I linked both the Raiton shroud and shunshin description, which neither sugges that Ay is obtaining more chakra or that these techniques can do such a thing. Really, if he's had the chakra output WHILE fighting, to be compared to a Bijuu, how does that not give him Bijuu level reserves?
Give me a good answer and I'll concede, but it seems like you're blatantly going against the established lore.
You don't understand. Ay's chakra levels were growing [
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]. That means he was releasing more and more chakra which could be detected in whatever way by a sensor. Similarly, there was one situation where Naruto released BM avatar but then it went away as it was in vain. Tobirama commented saying "please don't tell me you used all this chakra for nothing." Meaning the release of chakra takes a lot of chakra to exert, and then some more to upkeep (he has a limit to it after all). Similarly, Ay has to make an initial massive release of chakra, which is followed by continuous chakra loss.
If he loses his v2 shroud, he loses a huge amount of chakra. That's all there is to it.
You're literally
NOT addressing or backing up any of your earlier points brought up. You're literally
NOT replying correctly to what I was asking. I was asking you to expand your theory, which I did above yet again, on why Ay DOESN'T have Bijuu level chakra, yet somehow is able to generate enough for Karin to believe he does. Which you're NOT doing. Most of this has nothing to do with what we're discussing, but the match up. We're not talking about who wins at this point, but of Ay's V2 state.
It's
VERY simple to understand, Itanney. To the point where I'm questioning how you came to your own conclusion. Ay raised forth enough chakra, Karin compared it to that of a Bijuu's. Ay cannot use or summon up this much chakra without first having it. Ergo, Ay naturally has bijuu level chakra.
What it is is basically this; We have a car, a jeep let's say. The jeep can hold twenty gallons of gas in it before its at its limit. But you're suddenly saying that the Jeep can only hold ten gallons of gas, but we're reading it has twenty inside of it. It's impossible to get that extra twenty unless it naturally has the capabilities to hold it, thus when completely filled, has it.
Replace Jeep with Ay, and gas with chakra and there you go.
@Bold: Once again, sure, yes. Never disagreed. The quantity that goes into V2 is massive. But to say that Ay doesn't have the reserves for it, seeing how he's basically known for being the fastest and certainly needs V2, is ludacris. Not once has he shown exhaustion after using it, and as you say, loses chakra with each use. Saying Ay is capped by a time limit is nothing but the biggest of the bull shits. He's capped by chakra and chakra alone, and Ay's been said to have bijuu levels. Simple facts.
He only stalemated with Hachibi because his most concentrated areas of chakra were cut off (his tails). Not to mention Sandaime is more durable and has greater amount of chakra/stronger chakra. Not to mention, I never said Ay doesn't have lots of chakra, I'm saying it's not even close to comparable to a Biju.
I understand that tails are represntative of chakra and all, but where is it stated that the literal tails in bijuu form housed their chakra or were the sources of it? They appear to operate as most living beings, Kurama has both a brain (evidence of by it being manipulated by Genjutsu,) and a stomach. Organs the chakra system interacts with. The core of the chakra should be the same place as all living things, in the chest/near the heart. I'm not sure which it is exactly, but you get the drift.
You're ignoring the part where Ay the Third fought for three days before dying, all while presumably keeping his cloak up. But regardless would be an intense battle that would exhaust almost anyone else. Yet he and the hachibi fought to a stand still. So it's not like he just cut off the tails and they were done with, it was a long and drawn out battle that eventually caused Ay the Third to fall atop himself
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. Even if the tails housed the greatest bits of the Bijuu's chakra, the Hachibi still was enough to wear out a guy who could fight for three days straight. With chakra being hereditary, as we know from clans such as the Uzumaki, saying Ay the Fourth doesn't have massive reserves or that the statement of him having as much chakra as a Bijuu is insane.
v2 is more than a shunshin, because he's releasing a tremendous amount of chakra which will need to be replaced in his v2 shroud. And that's because he knows his limit. He doesn't use it for prolonged periods of time, he resorts back to v1.
I know I even made that assertion that V2=More chakra in the shroud earlier, it was a mistake of mine. But if anything, it would seem that it's quite literally just Ay channeling a large amount of chakra into a shunshin, while already sustaining a speed booster. Cee, someone trusted enough to be his body guard for the Kage summit and a man who should know what Ay is capable of,
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. It's literally not hard to grasp.
That's different. Raiton Bunshins can be sued without a present source of Raiton, Doton bunshins can be released without ready source of doton (Onoki did it while flying). There's literally no reason to assume Mizubunshins are exclusive from all other Bunshin techs, so that's completely different.
Gave several examples already.
Raiton variants on Shadow Clones=/=Water Clones. They are totally different jutsu with different mechanics, one is a shadow clone with elemental chakra. One is a clone made of water with its own set of rules, such as a certain range it can go before it can no longer sustain itself, with being 1/10 the strength.
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to form the clones, so yeah, they follow under the, "We need a source for this element to use the clones," rule.
Your examples above fall short, and earlier you just said, "He should be able to." I don't see any sway in what you've said, related to this topic.
