[VS] 3T Itachi Vs Hebi Sasuke

KCN

Jลnin Strategist ๐Ÿง 
Regular
Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
1,497
Reaction score
143
But the gap between Itachi's speed and CQC prowess and Hebi Sasuke's is huge. I mean, just compare Itachi casually evading all of Bee's attacks (including the Acrobat sword style) and Sasuke's struggle against him. I don't see Hebi Sasuke ever really contesting Itachi, and getting a chance to use that technique. If he isn't parrying, he's getting hit and knocked away.

Take a good look at this manga page [ ]. Top panel Kishi incorporated a [!?] hinting that the Karasu bunshin caught Kabuto off guard. He drops the sword in the disarray of crows, and then in the bottom left panel we are given a [!] meaning it was then at that very moment that Kabuto sensed Itachi coming towards him and proceeded to dodge; only to get his horn sliced off. This was essentially the same way Kabuto sensed and effortlessly avoided the susano'o arrow. The bottom line was, that Kabuto managed to sense Itachi before he arrived, yet failed to completely avoid his sword slash. So Itachi's shunshin speed should be around susano'o arrow speed. Just like Itachi had to be wary of Sasuke's well being (saved him multiple times), Sasuke had to be wary of Itachi's. They're on a tag team, of course his focus has to be on Itachi as well. Either way, Itachi still bunshin feinted an elite sensor such as DSM Kabuto, who should easily be more perceptive then Hebi Sasuke. I fail to see how those raiton variants are dispatching Itachi's bunshins - which should be able to evade them all day or countered with Katon variants.

What defensive capabilites do you speak of? His CM2 and oral rebirth will cost him hefty amount of chakra, allowing Itachi to easily outlast him. And snake summons should be hijacked with genjutsu, as Sasuke successfully did to manda. Kirins execution is slow, and with manga intel, Itachi would never allow it to happen. With bunshins, shunshin blitzes, and flocks of crows to hinder Sasuke's vision, Kirin should be out of the question in my eyes.

Sasuke got hit by Bee because he was arrogant and believed he could actually handle Bee's dexterous style; Itachi didn't "casually" evade Bee, he made him retreat within a few panels [ ] because Itachi, being the smart man he is, knew he would get smoked if he tried fight Bee head on like Sasuke did. As for getting knocked away, the databook suggests anyone who even touches the nagashi is getting stiffed;

[picture of Sasuke repelling team Kakashi with the Chidori Current]
โ†’The body of the person touched by the "Chidori" will misinterpret the Lightning nature as "electrical signals from the nerves," making its muscles contract. This causes the body to involuntarily go stiff, while at the same time receiving damage.
The one who approaches this body will be attacked all over!!

This ninjutsu makes practical use of the "Chidori" by extending its attack range, in order to make use of the Lightning nature's special characteristic of "temporarily making the muscles of the touched person go stiff," and attempt to enfold multiple enemies. By releasing the "Chidori" in every direction, an electrical discharge flows from one's entire body. This allows one to attack everyone within a specific range. Also, when using this attack on a great number of enemies at once, it also effectively doubles as an instant defence.

*Chidori (ๅƒ้ณฅ) means "a thousand birds". It's from a story about a sixteenth-century military commander named Tachibana Dousetsu, who owned a sword named the Chidori. One day, he was struck by lightning while sitting under a tree. Acting quickly, he drew his sword and cut the Thunder God riding the lightning. This saved his life and after this incident, he changed the name of his sword from Chidori to Raikiri (้›ทๅˆ‡, "Lightning Cutter").
Itachi doesn't have knowledge on this technique, correct? The databook makes clear what happens to those with no intel on it. He'd most likely get stiffed.

That's the thing though. Kabuto only noticed Itachi coming at the last second because of the crows impairing him, which gave Itachi an opening to execute his Shunshin. Another thing thing you're failing to see is that Kabuto was in an upside down freefalling position, which would of course negate his mobility and limit his capabilities which he would be able to demonstate were he in a casual, standing position. The fact that Kabuto reacted at all is impressive, to be honest. Clone feints have a recessive theme in the manga where nobody sees anyone using it, despite being right in front of each other. Naruto, Itachi, Kakashi and even guys like Yamato used it without anyone noticing, it isn't really anything to hold against Sasuke. Anyways, you're correct in stating that he can bunshin feint Sasuke, which I admitted to. However I don't see him capitalising on it, not with full knowledge seeing as beforehand, Sasuke reacted to Itachi's blindsided presence before [ ]-[ ], albeit Itachi never attempted a blitz. However as soon as Itachi leaves Sasuke's LoS, he can call forth some snakes.

Raiton variants such as senbon can dispatch clones from mid range and if Sasuke puts enough chakra into it, he can expand it's range making it impossible for them to dodge ( ). Itachi in 3T is a close to mid ranged fighter, so at all times he's more likely to be within Sasuke's vicinity so his clones should get peppered through the sheer fact that they'd be way too close to dodge the overwhelming numbers, which can apparently go to thousands.

Yeah, oral rebirth isn't something he can use a lot, if at all. I speak mainly of his ability to spawn snakes around him near instantly as he did with Deidara and even Itachi after using Bunshin surprise attack [ ]. Kirin can be achieved through hovering to the skies in CM2, not much I see Itachi doing there. He can send crows, but Senbon would get rid of them all swiftly. I'd also like to believe Sasuke can genjutsu the snakes faster than Itachi did considering he did it to Manda nigh instantly when faced with C0, as well as Sasuke being the one who's actually summoning it.
 
Last edited:

Char Aznable

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 14, 2014
Messages
6,779
Reaction score
494
Sasuke wins.

Itachi only lasted as long as he did in the manga because he had the MS jutsu to fall back on.
 

LuckyMan

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
7,768
Reaction score
464
The only threat Sasuke faces is Genjutsu from Itachi but its non-factor for both of them due to Sharingan.

Sasuke wins.

Itachi can't fight him in taijutsu due to Chidori Nagashi coming at any time and paralyzing him, allowing Sasuke to kill him. Itachi can't fight him in kenjutsu, Chirodi Katana cuts him in half. CQC period is deathwish for him and pointless to try.

Any Katon Itachi throws is countered by Sasuke own Katon no difficulty. Suitons are pointless and evaded. Crows? Sasuke snakes eats them for snacks.

Itachi is outclassed in summons, ninjutsu, CQC, and stamina and that's all from base Hebi Sasuke. Don't even get me started on CS2, Manda, etc.

Mid difficulty win for baby Indra.
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
Fanfic healthy itachi?

Pfft. Nothing to see here.
 

DrProof

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Aug 24, 2012
Messages
12,019
Reaction score
1,476
The only threat Sasuke faces is Genjutsu from Itachi but its non-factor for both of them due to Sharingan.

Sasuke wins.

Itachi can't fight him in taijutsu due to Chidori Nagashi coming at any time and paralyzing him, allowing Sasuke to kill him. Itachi can't fight him in kenjutsu, Chirodi Katana cuts him in half. CQC period is deathwish for him and pointless to try.

Any Katon Itachi throws is countered by Sasuke own Katon no difficulty. Suitons are pointless and evaded. Crows? Sasuke snakes eats them for snacks.

Itachi is outclassed in summons, ninjutsu, CQC, and stamina and that's all from base Hebi Sasuke. Don't even get me started on CS2, Manda, etc.

Mid difficulty win for baby Indra.

Lol.

Manda? Susceptible to basic 3-tomeo Genjutsu like Sasuke performed, except Itachi's is undoubtedly stronger.

Ninjutsu? Sasuke can have this. Though Suitons > Katons, and Itachi's Katons prob = Sasukes. Sasuke mosty focused on Raiton as Hebi.

Stamina? Sure Sasuke was surperior, but that doesn't mean shit, not when Itachi's perfect chakra control, and reasoning > Sasuke's. Sick/Blind Itachi outlasted Sasuke. Now make it Healthy, and Itachi still has a bit of chakra to KO his ass.

CQC? Itachi murders his young jit of a brother. Nagashi is nice, and all. But at some point they will entire CQC, not to mention Clone Feint -> Clone Explosion fuks over Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi approach.

Speed? Nah fam. Itachi got that too.

CM2? It doesn't add much here. Slight power increase? That's cool. Speed increase? Idk never seen that fam.

Itachi takes high-diff.
 

RedRobin

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
12,929
Reaction score
834
No its not. Edo tensai= infinite chakra. Somthing living itachi lacks.

Infinite chakra doesnt help his physical performance and reactions which is what I am talking about.
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
Infinite chakra doesnt help his physical performance and reactions which is what I am talking about.

Actually it does, but hey I'm not trying to agrue here.
Fanfic is fanfic and I'll take my leave.
 

DrProof

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Aug 24, 2012
Messages
12,019
Reaction score
1,476
No its not. Edo tensai= infinite chakra. Somthing living itachi lacks.

Nah fam, I see Edo Tensei as giving the user an infinite amount of chakra, but in regards to their original chakra capacity. Hence why Madara only dropped One Meteor. He probably depleted his chakra reserves, then had to wait a bit for it to regenerate to full again. This is also why Hiruzen didn't just spam all of his five natures constantly, or Madara making more than 25 Susano'o Clones.

So it's reasonable Itachi's feats as an Edo are canon, and can be added to his list of feats.
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
Nah fam, I see Edo Tensei as giving the user an infinite amount of chakra, but in regards to their original chakra capacity. Hence why Madara only dropped One Meteor. He probably depleted his chakra reserves, then had to wait a bit for it to regenerate to full again. This is also why Hiruzen didn't just spam all of his five natures constantly, or Madara making more than 25 Susano'o Clones.

So it's reasonable Itachi's feats as an Edo are canon, and can be added to his list of feats.

It's regenerative chakra. Muu and many others were shown running out/ low.

It dosen't change the fact that it regenerates at a much faster rate than living. Allowing itachi to be less chakra conscious about the techniques he uses.

What's true however is that less than 30% of his chakra auto restricts ms techs, and in both part 1 and part 2 when he was alive even sparse use of ms tired him out considerably.

Where as on the flip side edo itachi... needs no explanation.
 
Last edited:

DrProof

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Aug 24, 2012
Messages
12,019
Reaction score
1,476
It's regenerative chakra. Muu and many others were shown running out/ low.

It dosen't change the fact that it regenerates at a much faster rate than living. Allowing itachi to be less chakra conscious about the techniques he uses.

We're talking pure Taijutsu, and Speed feats, which we all know take little to no chakra. Hand to hand combat, and base run speed, categories a normal below average ninja would have trouble with it.
 

Heisenberg Wannabe

Leaf Village Regular ๐Ÿƒ
Regular
Joined
Mar 4, 2015
Messages
880
Reaction score
85
Lord Itachi solos. He doesn't need sharingan at all to solo Orochimaru's pet project.
 
Last edited:

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
We're talking pure Taijutsu, and Speed feats, which we all know take little to no chakra. Hand to hand combat, and base run speed, categories a normal below average ninja would have trouble with it.

He already outsped sasuke. I don't see the argument there.

But can he move and react as he did as an edo? No.

It's the equivalent of saying old hiruzen can do this casually :
You must be registered for see images

When we all know he could barley carry enma alive.
You must be registered for see images

Itachi still wins. but I'll disregard the fanfic.
 

Char Aznable

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 14, 2014
Messages
6,779
Reaction score
494
Nah fam, I see Edo Tensei as giving the user an infinite amount of chakra, but in regards to their original chakra capacity. Hence why Madara only dropped One Meteor. He probably depleted his chakra reserves, then had to wait a bit for it to regenerate to full again. This is also why Hiruzen didn't just spam all of his five natures constantly, or Madara making more than 25 Susano'o Clones.

So it's reasonable Itachi's feats as an Edo are canon, and can be added to his list of feats.

Madara dropped two meteors. One after the other. Like he's Sephiroth or something.
 

Draegod

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Sep 23, 2010
Messages
7,432
Reaction score
852
We have never seen Itachi go all out. He hasn't even been fully-pressured. All his fights were him doing the absolute minimum, and they were always on the intent of either: capture, or stalemate.

Kabuto - Capture
Naruto/Bee - Stalemate
Sasuke (all accords) - Stalemate
Kakashi/Kurenai/Asuma/Gai - Accidental Encounter - Stalemated

Who else did he fight?

Are you saying Edo itachi could Solo SM kabuto at full intent to kill and no restrictions? Are you saying Bee and naruto went all out let alone didnt have nagato to worry about as well? Come on bro...
 

DrProof

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Aug 24, 2012
Messages
12,019
Reaction score
1,476
He already outsped sasuke. I don't see the argument there.

But can he move and react as he did as an edo? No.

It's the equivalent of saying old hiruzen can do this casually :
You must be registered for see images

When we all know he could barley carry enma alive.
You must be registered for see images

Itachi still wins. but I'll disregard the fanfic.

You're not linking the scans where Sarutobi was using Enma though. Only his quote. I can say "Damn, my leg is feeling hella numb right now.", but then later go on to run on it near perfectly.

Or.

"Damn 225lb is heavier than I remember it.", then proceed to rep it 10 times. Thoughts don't blatantly paint a picture of what the user can do.



Madara dropped two meteors. One after the other. Like he's Sephiroth or something.

Two meteors is what I meant then. I don't keep track on Madara feats lol. Thanks fam.

Are you saying Edo itachi could Solo SM kabuto at full intent to kill and no restrictions? Are you saying Bee and naruto went all out let alone didnt have nagato to worry about as well? Come on bro...

I never said that fam.
 

LuckyMan

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
7,768
Reaction score
464
Lol.

Manda? Susceptible to basic 3-tomeo Genjutsu like Sasuke performed, except Itachi's is undoubtedly stronger.

Based on absolutely nothing. Sasukes 3 tomoe allowed him to control Manda, break Tsukuyomi, and see Kurama in Naruto. When Itachi has feats of that level then we can talk about whose stronger.


Ninjutsu? Sasuke can have this. Though Suitons > Katons, and Itachi's Katons prob = Sasukes. Sasuke mosty focused on Raiton as Hebi.

Yes he does have this, and Sasukes Katon are stronger than Itachis so he'll always overpower him in a clash.

Stamina? Sure Sasuke was surperior, but that doesn't mean shit, not when Itachi's perfect chakra control, and reasoning > Sasuke's. Sick/Blind Itachi outlasted Sasuke. Now make it Healthy, and Itachi still has a bit of chakra to KO his ass.

Itachi outlasted a Sasuke who used Oral Rebirth, which drains an immense amount of chakra and Sasuke only needed it to survive Amaterasu. With no MS, Sasuke will keep all that extra chakra so he'll be the one doing the K'O'ing. Healthy Itachi is semi fanfiction by the way, stick to facts.

CQC? Itachi murders his young jit of a brother. Nagashi is nice, and all. But at some point they will entire CQC, not to mention Clone Feint -> Clone Explosion fuks over Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi approach.

Lol, Sasuke already countered Itachis clones with Raiton Shuriken. Chidori Senbon also destroys them. Clone Explosion? Why even bring up that fodder move. Sasukes White Snake Power protected him from two of Deidaras bombs that are far more powerful than Clone Explosion: and was left without a scratch. This alone can tank any attack 3T Itachi has. He doesn't even need CS1 or CS2 power. :lmao:

Speed? Nah fam. Itachi got that too.

Indeed he does but how is it helping? Sure he has a faster shunshin but what does it do except help him run away because he isn't blitzing Sasuke by a long shot. Faster hand speed? That goes to Itachi too but again, how will it help in CQC against Chidori Nagashi/Katana, lol? It doesn't.

CM2? It doesn't add much here. Slight power increase? That's cool. Speed increase? Idk never seen that fam.

Itachi takes high-diff.

Except increased durability, speed, and more chakra. Itachi literally can't harm Sasuke in CS2 whatsoever. Sasuke can tank any Sution, Katon, or Clone Bomb he has. This will be a drawn out fight but it wont push Sasuke past medium difficulties.
 

DrProof

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Aug 24, 2012
Messages
12,019
Reaction score
1,476
Based on absolutely nothing. Sasukes 3 tomoe allowed him to control Manda, break Tsukuyomi, and see Kurama in Naruto. When Itachi has feats of that level then we can talk about whose stronger.




Yes he does have this, and Sasukes Katon are stronger than Itachis so he'll always overpower him in a clash.



Itachi outlasted a Sasuke who used Oral Rebirth, which drains an immense amount of chakra and Sasuke only needed it to survive Amaterasu. With no MS, Sasuke will keep all that extra chakra so he'll be the one doing the K'O'ing. Healthy Itachi is semi fanfiction by the way, stick to facts.



Lol, Sasuke already countered Itachis clones with Raiton Shuriken. Chidori Senbon also destroys them. Clone Explosion? Why even bring up that fodder move. Sasukes White Snake Power protected him from two of Deidaras bombs that are far more powerful than Clone Explosion: and was left without a scratch. This alone can tank any attack 3T Itachi has. He doesn't even need CS1 or CS2 power. :lmao:



Indeed he does but how is it helping? Sure he has a faster shunshin but what does it do except help him run away because he isn't blitzing Sasuke by a long shot. Faster hand speed? That goes to Itachi too but again, how will it help in CQC against Chidori Nagashi/Katana, lol? It doesn't.



Except increased durability, speed, and more chakra. Itachi literally can't harm Sasuke in CS2 whatsoever. Sasuke can tank any Sution, Katon, or Clone Bomb he has. This will be a drawn out fight but it wont push Sasuke past medium difficulties.

Lol. I'd get into a debate, but eh. I'll FT handle this when he gets back online. No need.
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
You're not linking the scans where Sarutobi was using Enma though. Only his quote. I can say "Damn, my leg is feeling hella numb right now.", but then later go on to run on it near perfectly.

Or.

"Damn 225lb is heavier than I remember it.", then proceed to rep it 10 times. Thoughts don't blatantly paint a picture of what the user can do.

He only does it after he sentenced himself to death via rds. Which again let's him be less conscious about what he's doing since he gonna die anyways.

Another example would be itachi's actual fight with sasuke in contrast to the way he usually fights.

When death is no longer a factor actions that endanger life can be done casually, that's why edo itachi's feats can't be applied.

I'm done here.
 
Top