How much better would Naruto have been without pairings?

[Mikeuhsomething36]

It's not the pairings that are the problem with the Naruto manga, it's the pairing FANS that are the problem.

 

[Norman Bates]

It's not the pairings that are the problem with the Naruto manga, it's the pairing FANS that are the problem.

I disagree. The fans, the fans who get so riled up and angry about it, are a huge part, but not the entire problem. Some of the parings in the world of Naruto are poorly written or weren't handled the best.

 

[Complex]

I think it would have been a little better..Not 100% because of the many other flaws the manga has.Like I don't see why the hardcore pairing fans couldn't just read romance manga or some shojo.

10x times better

I find it funny that OP didn't get any likes, while Immortal says the exact same thing and gets the likes XD

 

[awesomeseimei]

I suppose it's more about ship teasing than actual pairings: the whole "Who will end up with who" thing, with Kishi intentionally giving hints, including misleading ones. Those are what causes the most stir in fandoms.

 

[Norman Bates]

I suppose it's more about ship teasing than actual pairings: the whole "Who will end up with who" thing, with Kishi intentionally giving hints, including misleading ones. Those are what causes the most stir in fandoms.

Very well said. Agreed. When I asked Mother her thoughts about this, she said something similar. Teasing is really annoying, especially when it comes to romance.

 

[Honord Sage]

Every good story has romance,its part of the formula to a successful story so I don’t understand way? A few people would deny Naruto a chance of Him having the things that other characters get in their lives. Would you also deny are real person their chance at romance too? Do we not all deserve a chance at romance?

 

[Norman Bates]

Every good story has romance,its part of the formula to a successful story so I don’t understand way? A few people would deny Naruto a chance of Him having the things that other characters get in their lives. Would you also deny are real person their chance at romance too? Do we not all deserve a chance at romance?

I think we all would agree, but I think a lot of people would take a well written romance or no romance at all over a horribly written one.

 

[Joshutsu]

A lot better, pairings heavily influence peoples liking/disliking of characters. Maybe people would have focused more on the manga and not the fanfic.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I disagree. The fans, the fans who get so riled up and angry about it, are a huge part, but not the entire problem. Some of the parings in the world of Naruto are poorly written or weren't handled the best.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, most fans are the problem, if everyone viewed the pairings as good then it's good, if everyone viewed it as bad then it's bad, it's not the nature of the pairing it's the fans' perception of the pairing. Poorly written pairings is also based on the perception of the fan, in the end it's the fan themselves that are the issue blaming the pairing problem in Naruto on the nature of the pairing is like blaming the trees for deforestation, it's not the trees' fault that they got cut down it's the fault of whoever cut them down. In the end this doesn't apply to all but just most fans, the pairings imo I could care less about because Naruto isn't a freaking romantic novel yet everyone is so obsessed with who gets who, I for one am okay with them, Naruto and hinata getting together has been a given since part 1, Sakura and sasuke, one could easily see as who-else was sasuke going to get with? Karin? Yes he did but last I checked he didn't marry her as Sakura called Sasuke her husband, the lack of "oh maybe saauke had a reason" is astounding. It's a story people, obvious forced conflict is obvious, if there's one thing kishi's good at as an author, it's rustling the entire Naruto community with the stroke of a pen.

 

[ninjarasengan]

I think we all would agree, but I think a lot of people would take a well written romance or no romance at all over a horribly written one.

Depends on what you are looking for...whether it's a fairytale romance or not, both are kinda realistic and don't really reflect on if something is bad writing...people throw that label around too easily.

The pairings and teasing were smart moves by Kishi...Look at how many readers he's hooked to following his story. Despite all of the complaints. In the end it's about drawing viewers and Naruto succeeded in that.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It would be worse without them.
Main characters like sakura, side characters like hinata, and antagonists like obito. lose their meaning, leaving us with multiple tentens.

We already have 2(1010 herself and shino) let's not make it 6.

 

[chaos control]

I think it would have been a little better..Not 100% because of the many other flaws the manga has.Like I don't see why the hardcore pairing fans couldn't just read romance manga or some shojo.

I don't see how it would have been better at all seeing as how pairings didn't really affect the plot that much. I can literally count on two hands the number of times pairings affected the plot.

1. NaruHina: Hinata told Naruto a secret about the byakugan's blind spot which helped Naruto beat Neji in the chuunin exams.

2. SasuSaku: Sakura stopped Sasuke from giving in to the curse mark during the chunin exams 2nd exam.

3.SasuSaku: Sakura tried to stop Sasuke from leaving Konoha, but failed. This led to Sakura telling those two chunin about Sasuke leaving, who then told Tsunade, which led to the Sasuke retrieval mission (it also led to Naruto's promise to bring Sasuke back).

4. NaruHina: Hinata confessed to Naruto, and by getting stabbed, she fueled enough rage into Naruto to get Kurama to go on a rampage which was very important to that battle.

5.SasuSaku: Sakura tried to kill Sasuke alone which ultimately led to the team 7 reunion after Sasuke killed Danzou.

6. NaruHina: After Neji died, Hinata encouraged Naruto to keep fighting and not give into Obito's words (which would have doomed the alliance if he had given in).

7. SasuSaku: There was the forehead poke and the "See you soon". This moment wasn't even that important to the plot. I just put it here since it simply served to end part 2 on a good note between Sasuke and Sakura.

That is it. Those were all of the important pairing moments that affected the plot. The rest were either insignificant or were just comedic relief like Hinata's fainting.

As for "The Last", that movie was completely optional to watch. You could just skip over it and not lack any important plot details. It just explained how NaruHina happened and where Hamura and the rest of the Otsutsuki clan went after Hagoromo and Hamura sealed Kaguya.

The novels aren't even canon and those are optional as well.

As for Gaiden, even Gaiden doesn't really deal with the pairings themselves (that is just fans obsessing over it). Gaiden more so deals with Sarada's parentage and back ground mystery. In other words, the real issue that Gaiden is dealing with is:

Who is Sarada's mother and why were there no records of her birth in Konoha? (It is not actually about who does Sasuke love more.)

Therefore I don't see how people are always complaining that pairings ruin things when pairings don't even do that much. 7 important things in 700+ chapters is not a lot.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

I find it funny that OP didn't get any likes, while Immortal says the exact same thing and gets the likes XD

Maybe because I like Sakura so they probably though I was a tard,

It would be worse without them.
Main characters like sakura, side characters like hinata, and antagonists like obito. lose their meaning, leaving us with multiple tentens.

We already have 2(1010 herself and shino) let's not make it 6.

I didn't say they wouldn't like the characters they like but the pairings were just bad...

 

[Deadmed]

Wouldnt make a difference because they are just side things and don't interfere with the actual plot

 

[Sakura Michiko]

I find it funny that OP didn't get any likes, while Immortal says the exact same thing and gets the likes XD

It would be worse without them.
Main characters like sakura, side characters like hinata, and antagonists like obito. lose their meaning, leaving us with multiple tentens.

We already have 2(1010 herself and shino) let's not make it 6.

Wouldnt make a difference because they are just side things and don't interfere with the actual plot

Gaiden and those kids wouldn't exist. Pairings affected the manga at the end

 

[chaos control]

Gaiden and those kids wouldn't exist. Pairings affected the manga at the end

Did you just skip over my post? Also, sure pairings brought some kids into existence, but that is necessary. Every story needs characters, and a spinoff about the next generation needs a next generation. Even so, that still just adds one little thing to my list of 7 important things that pairings did for the manga. 8 things in 700+ chapters is negligible.

 

[Deadmed]

Gaiden and those kids wouldn't exist. Pairings affected the manga at the end

I like Gaiden and the kids, what's the fun in it if you can't see the characters grow up and have a next generation. How Kishimoto handles Gaiden from here on out is besides the point.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

I find it funny that OP didn't get any likes, while Immortal says the exact same thing and gets the likes XD

It would be worse without them.
Main characters like sakura, side characters like hinata, and antagonists like obito. lose their meaning, leaving us with multiple tentens.

We already have 2(1010 herself and shino) let's not make it 6.

I don't see how it would have been better at all seeing as how pairings didn't really affect the plot that much. I can literally count on two hands the number of times pairings affected the plot.

1. NaruHina: Hinata told Naruto a secret about the byakugan's blind spot which helped Naruto beat Neji in the chuunin exams.

2. SasuSaku: Sakura stopped Sasuke from giving in to the curse mark during the chunin exams 2nd exam.

3.SasuSaku: Sakura tried to stop Sasuke from leaving Konoha, but failed. This led to Sakura telling those two chunin about Sasuke leaving, who then told Tsunade, which led to the Sasuke retrieval mission (it also led to Naruto's promise to bring Sasuke back).

4. NaruHina: Hinata confessed to Naruto, and by getting stabbed, she fueled enough rage into Naruto to get Kurama to go on a rampage which was very important to that battle.

5.SasuSaku: Sakura tried to kill Sasuke alone which ultimately led to the team 7 reunion after Sasuke killed Danzou.

6. NaruHina: After Neji died, Hinata encouraged Naruto to keep fighting and not give into Obito's words (which would have doomed the alliance if he had given in).

7. SasuSaku: There was the forehead poke and the "See you soon". This moment wasn't even that important to the plot. I just put it here since it simply served to end part 2 on a good note between Sasuke and Sakura.

That is it. Those were all of the important pairing moments that affected the plot. The rest were either insignificant or were just comedic relief like Hinata's fainting.

As for "The Last", that movie was completely optional to watch. You could just skip over it and not lack any important plot details. It just explained how NaruHina happened and where Hamura and the rest of the Otsutsuki clan went after Hagoromo and Hamura sealed Kaguya.

The novels aren't even canon and those are optional as well.

As for Gaiden, even Gaiden doesn't really deal with the pairings themselves (that is just fans obsessing over it). Gaiden more so deals with Sarada's parentage and back ground mystery. In other words, the real issue that Gaiden is dealing with is:

Who is Sarada's mother and why were there no records of her birth in Konoha? (It is not actually about who does Sasuke love more.)

Therefore I don't see how people are always complaining that pairings ruin things when pairings don't even do that much. 7 important things in 700+ chapters is not a lot.

I skipped this earlier cause I was cooking and this was long but none of that was pairing moments. Except for 7 and the last. The other ones was just moments because they were one sided.

 

[chaos control]

I skipped this earlier cause I was cooking and this was long but none of that was pairing moments. Except for 7 and the last. The other ones was just moments because they were one sided.

Bold: This part proves my point even further if you're going to say that. If you've truly reduced my list of 7 important pairing moments down to 2 important pairing moments (out of 700+ chapters) then you have just admitted that pairings affected the plot even less than I initially stated. "The Last" was also completely optional as stated before. That brings it down to 1 important pairing moment in the entire series (and that 1 moment was a simple forehead poke)!

Now tell me how 1 forehead poke ruins 700+ chapters!

 

[Sakura Michiko]

I find it funny that OP didn't get any likes, while Immortal says the exact same thing and gets the likes XD

It would be worse without them.
Main characters like sakura, side characters like hinata, and antagonists like obito. lose their meaning, leaving us with multiple tentens.

We already have 2(1010 herself and shino) let's not make it 6.

Bold: This part proves my point even further if you're going to say that. If you've truly reduced my list of 7 important pairing moments down to 2 important pairing moments (out of 700+ chapters) then you have just admitted that pairings affected the plot even less than I initially stated. "The Last" was also completely optional as stated before. That brings it down to 1 important pairing moment in the entire series (and that 1 moment was a simple forehead poke)!

Now tell me how 1 forehead poke ruins 700+ chapters!

The pairings ruined the end of Naruto. It was as if the pairings were more significant that Naruto being hokage and I didn't like that.The weren't even developed good and some of the pairing fans are going bananas over this stuff which makes it even worst.