Establishing why DMS Kakashi is fastest, strongest, smartest character in the manga

[KCMNaruto]

I honestly don't think anyone cam prove this stuff wrong...Kakashi at that point was the strongest undoubtedly. That's why he didn't keep his power.

Are you really sure ? I already debunked and showed fallacy in bodgard first post.

In short Kakashi hasnt done anything which could be above Naruto and Sasuke at that time. Well he didnt even shown power on same level as them The most he was barerly below them but what made people go crazy and jump to conclusions was huge power up which Kakashi recieved in compare to his previous old self.

Dms kakashi feats are:

- outsmarting kaguya monster form and maybe outspeeding it while it was just following Sakura while it went full speed at Naruto and Sasuke without playing around.

- shows awesome use of kamui as shurikens which can warp chakra itself

- comming with great strategy using hax skills he gained too

- Outspeeding/going ahead of Naruto and Sasuke as part of plan

- surprising kaguya with use of kamui and use Kaguya super speed and overconfidence to pierce Kaguya with raikiri as Kaguya literally flew in him all he did was piercing her with kamui version of raikiri.

- stay on guard as shinobi should and set kaguta loss while. Couting all possibilities and being ready to counter any kaguya plan to escape.

- proving if someone can not feel activation of s/t / chakra build behind s/t then no matter how fast you are you wont escape or win against it.

That all. Is it really that hard to aknowledge what kakashi did and what was added to his performance by subjective interpretation ?

I am done until someone reply or counter me

 

[Tyris]

Fodder... once you get past the hype and borrows and super temporary super asspulls... oh wait.. its a super temporary super borrowed super asspulled lol hes practically ssj4 vegita lol he had to borrow help from his main and only squeeze x'D

Base kakashi gets no wank? Fake fans who love another's power lol

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi blitzing Kaguya... my god. :lol Since this post has not been countered, I'll just copy/paste it.

I'll lay out some facts:

1. You're defending the notion that Kakashi blitzed Kaguya
2. Sasuke canonically couldn't land a hit on even a weakened Kaguya:

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3. Kakashi supporters admitted that Sasuke>Kakashi in speed.





4. Taking into account points 2 and 3, how could have Kakashi ''blitzed''

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than the one Sasuke failed to blitz, despite everyone knowing and even admitting that Sasuke>>Kakashi in speed?

I don't even understand how anyone can think Kaguya was blitzed when she clearly

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, and only let out a

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. If Kakashi truly did blitz her, which he did not, those exclamation and question marks would have been on the second panel I posted, when Kaguya was hit, which would signify her being actually blitzed. Going by the Kakashi-blitzed-Kaguya logic would mean Sakura blitzed her as well, I mean she did land a hit, right? Going by the Kakashi-blitzed-Kaguya logic would mean he's the fastest character in the manga, period. Arguments on Kakashi's side make absolutely zero sense.

Yes, people - Kakashi with Obito's little piece of 1R JJ Madara's power apparently blitzed a superior being at its strongest state with a Shunshin, while Sasuke, with his half of Hagoromo's power failed to blitz a weaker Kaguya despite having an instantaneous S/T technique. So. Much. Sense. :lol

What actually happened was Kaguya opting to tank the attack instead of dodge it, just like how she chose to get engulfed by Amaterasu and then absorb it.



Oh, please. :lol Just kindly don't start your speculations on how Kishi's thinking =/= our thinking. If you go by manga portrayal, it's easy to see no actual blitz happened, and that DMS Kakashi blitzed Kaguya just as much as Sakura did. Or should we get this thread to 12 pages as well?

I already explained my point like 100 times arguing with kid gamer. Read my discussion with him and when you learn what i'm really trying to say then come and quote me. I said it a lot of times already

Foot speed =/= Sunshin, sunshin is a jutsu while foot speed is normal moving without the use of chakra. That being said (for like the 100 th time) then i must continue to my point:

Sasuke's ST > DMS Kakashi's sunshin > Sasuke's sunshin > Sasuke's FOOT SPEED >= Kakashi's foot speed

Kakashi's sunshin worked better against kaguya from that distance because Kakashi's kamui raikiri is sunshin itself so while kakashi was moving his atack was ready, when he reached kaguya's position he was already atacking while Sasuke, after changin his position with amenotjikara takes a little little little while to atack, and from that distance (and only that distance) the time sasuke gained teleporting instantly was lost with the time he took to make the atack while Kakashi lost time because his sunshin isn't instant (but is really fast) but he gained the time sasuke lost with the fact that his atack was the sunshin itself.

I used bold since it seems you don't read my posts. When you've understood this come and quote me

 

[~Ethereal~]

Not sure if Minotaur hacked into your account and posted all this. :|

 

[JStar King]

Hagomoro aka Rikudo Sennin admits inferiority to Kaguya

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Rikudo Naruto and Sasuke having difficulties to physically dodge a chakra arm

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with a clone being forced to push them out of the way

Naruto confirming those chakra arms to be fast(with Sasuke agreeing)

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Kakashi doesn't care and lol the chakra arm by taking Sakura and outspeeding it despite being at point blank range

Kaguya attacking Kakashi on 1 on 1(with Kakashi noticing the attack to be fast)

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Strength and speed nothing compared to before

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Kakashi loling the attack

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With interrogation mark on Kaguya emphasizing the surprise around Kakashi's phasing(Kakashi was still on his Susanoo on the bottom left panel and we read manga from right to left, from up to down)

Blitzing Kaguya without reaction

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Something lolSuke failed to do in a sneak attack+Rinnegan swap combo against a vastly inferior Kaguya

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Outsmarting Kaguya

1- Sasuke, Naruto and his clone move halfway:

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2- Kakashi makes the first opener with his Susanoo following up with a surprised kamui-Raikiri to hurt Kaguya and leave her open for a following move:

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3- Naruto's clones cover original Sasuke behind when the original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) follows up an offensive attack on Kaguya with one of the remaining clones

4- If Kaguya attacks Naruto's clone he is safe. If Kaguya attacks original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) however, he closes the portal with Kamui(predicting even Black Zetsu's intervention)

5- After closing the portal, Sasuke uses his S/T jutsu to switch with the damaged clone and continue the combo attack with the original Naruto:

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6- Sasuke then fakes an Amaterasu release, not allowing Kaguya to switch in the ice dimension:

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7- In case Kaguya is fast enough to jump up regardless, Sakura who he left in the defragmented Susanoo above(likely on the Byakugan's blind spot) push her back in her initial position allowing the Naru-Sasu sealing process:

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That was basically the strategy. He read Kaguya and Black Zetsu in a book.

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He's nothing without Rikudo Chakra.

 

[iFlowMotion]

If he can beat these guys in a 1v1

Kaguya
JJ Maddy
Rikudo Chakra Sasuke
RSM Naruto
JJ Obito

DSM kakashi was kool but thats about it

 

[V h o]

Not sure if Minotaur hacked into your account and posted all this. :|

Minator would have 10 pages by now lel
Ot: simply flawless

 

[Minator93]

Kakashi truly is the GOAT!

This super awesome thread confirms the fact even further that "Dual Kamui Emperor Susanoo Kakashi" is in fact the Fastest, Strongest, Smartest and thus the Greatest Character of the Manga known as Naruto!!

Great work bro, you did Kakashi Justice

 

[KingHashirama]

smartest? That'd be Minato/Tobirama/Hashirama/Hiruzen/Orochimaru /Madara /Sasuke and etc.

 

[chintu234]

smartest? That'd be Minato/Tobirama/Hashirama/Hiruzen/Orochimaru /Madara /Sasuke and etc.

Kakashi is more smarter than sasuke.
He is on par with Minato/Itachi/Tobirama in smartness.
The others you mentioned arent even that smart to counter the above people i mentioned in a battle of wits. Madara is debatable though.

 

[Seventh Sama]

DMS kakashi was just a straight up deus ex machina. inarguably the biggest A-pull in the whole manga. No hate for kakashi's character tho.

 

[Diabound]

Still gets rekt by Tsukuyomi :bdpf:

 

[Raykyryn]

Lol... it's written for you in the manga, plain as day: [

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]. ''Mom... let's go to the first dimension. We'll recover faster there.''

Kaguya retreated in order to gain power, there was no further point in keeping them in the gravity dimension. This, plus the fact that she was still facing Indra's reincarnation - one of the two major threats she faced - while being low on chakra, and the fact that she knows Sasuke could use Ameno multiple times before needing to recharge, so absorbing would be pointless and dangerous.

You miss the fact that Kaguyas dimension changing was necessary so that the gravity pressure would not prevent her from dodging the attack. Your post implies that kaguya feared facing Sasuke while she was low on chakra yet afterwards she did faced him and wrecked his susanoo with little to zero effort and that happened before she gained the chakra from IT. Plus after the dimension changing she still could've absorbed the chidori,your logic doesn't explain why she opted to dodge . And Ameno poses no danger in itself, first Kaguya must be put into a vulnerable position like after narutos sexy no jutsu or after kakashis kamui raikiri.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Hagomoro aka Rikudo Sennin admits inferiority to Kaguya

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Rikudo Naruto and Sasuke having difficulties to physically dodge a chakra arm

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with a clone being forced to push them out of the way

Naruto confirming those chakra arms to be fast(with Sasuke agreeing)

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Kakashi doesn't care and lol the chakra arm by taking Sakura and outspeeding it despite being at point blank range

Kaguya attacking Kakashi on 1 on 1(with Kakashi noticing the attack to be fast)

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Strength and speed nothing compared to before

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Kakashi loling the attack

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With interrogation mark on Kaguya emphasizing the surprise around Kakashi's phasing(Kakashi was still on his Susanoo on the bottom left panel and we read manga from right to left, from up to down)

Blitzing Kaguya without reaction

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Something lolSuke failed to do in a sneak attack+Rinnegan swap combo against a vastly inferior Kaguya

Spoiler

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Smartest

Outsmarting Kaguya

1- Sasuke, Naruto and his clone move halfway:

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2- Kakashi makes the first opener with his Susanoo following up with a surprised kamui-Raikiri to hurt Kaguya and leave her open for a following move:

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3- Naruto's clones cover original Sasuke behind when the original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) follows up an offensive attack on Kaguya with one of the remaining clones

4- If Kaguya attacks Naruto's clone he is safe. If Kaguya attacks original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) however, he closes the portal with Kamui(predicting even Black Zetsu's intervention)

5- After closing the portal, Sasuke uses his S/T jutsu to switch with the damaged clone and continue the combo attack with the original Naruto:

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6- Sasuke then fakes an Amaterasu release, not allowing Kaguya to switch in the ice dimension:

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7- In case Kaguya is fast enough to jump up regardless, Sakura who he left in the defragmented Susanoo above(likely on the Byakugan's blind spot) push her back in her initial position allowing the Naru-Sasu sealing process:

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That was basically the strategy. He read Kaguya and Black Zetsu in a book.

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Yeah but thanks to Obito and Rikudou chakra and outside manga involvements.

Without all that Kakashi is nothing like what he has shown before Obito possess him.

Give credit to Obito not him

And no Kaguya is still the strongest. Even Rikudou Kakashi has no idea how to stop Massive TSB.

 

[Torche]

Yeah, okay, and Konohamaru is the next Rikudou Sennin.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Outsmaring Kaguya and being praised by Hagoromo aren't exactly feats of extreme mental prowess.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Outsmarting Kaguya because you have the power that can make any attack useless(Kamui phasing) is not greater/better compared to how RSM Naruto outsmarted Kaguya without any Kamui HAX.

Which one is better?

Plus Kaguya not had full intel on Kamui abilities.

 

[BloodSeed]

Hagomoro aka Rikudo Sennin admits inferiority to Kaguya

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Rikudo Naruto and Sasuke having difficulties to physically dodge a chakra arm

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with a clone being forced to push them out of the way

Naruto confirming those chakra arms to be fast(with Sasuke agreeing)

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Kakashi doesn't care and lol the chakra arm by taking Sakura and outspeeding it despite being at point blank range

Kaguya attacking Kakashi on 1 on 1(with Kakashi noticing the attack to be fast)

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Strength and speed nothing compared to before

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Kakashi loling the attack

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With interrogation mark on Kaguya emphasizing the surprise around Kakashi's phasing(Kakashi was still on his Susanoo on the bottom left panel and we read manga from right to left, from up to down)

Blitzing Kaguya without reaction

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Something lolSuke failed to do in a sneak attack+Rinnegan swap combo against a vastly inferior Kaguya

Spoiler

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Smartest

Outsmarting Kaguya

1- Sasuke, Naruto and his clone move halfway:

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2- Kakashi makes the first opener with his Susanoo following up with a surprised kamui-Raikiri to hurt Kaguya and leave her open for a following move:

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3- Naruto's clones cover original Sasuke behind when the original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) follows up an offensive attack on Kaguya with one of the remaining clones

4- If Kaguya attacks Naruto's clone he is safe. If Kaguya attacks original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) however, he closes the portal with Kamui(predicting even Black Zetsu's intervention)

5- After closing the portal, Sasuke uses his S/T jutsu to switch with the damaged clone and continue the combo attack with the original Naruto:

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6- Sasuke then fakes an Amaterasu release, not allowing Kaguya to switch in the ice dimension:

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7- In case Kaguya is fast enough to jump up regardless, Sakura who he left in the defragmented Susanoo above(likely on the Byakugan's blind spot) push her back in her initial position allowing the Naru-Sasu sealing process:

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That was basically the strategy. He read Kaguya and Black Zetsu in a book.

Only a god can acknowledge another god

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the reason why he become the six hokage

I can agree to this but realistically speaking.. Kakashi has always been the best overall ninja (Besides Itachi) who both suffer from a handicap... a DMS powerup is the best powerup in this series. So ofcourse 1 of the best shinobi with the best powerup will be the greatest

kakashi's feat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>itachi

 

[Omar19992010]

Kakashi isn't beating

Kaguya
JJ Madara
Naruto
Rinnegan Sasuke
Toneri

 

[Mellanoma]

the reason why he become the six hokage



kakashi's feat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>itachi

including the feat of Itachi beating him?