Establishing why DMS Kakashi is fastest, strongest, smartest character in the manga

Omar19992010

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Since when does she absorb physical attacks? She dodges them except against Kakashi she couldnt obviously.

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Physical attacks, are your serious?

Raikiri is Ninjutsu
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Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu or anything with Chakra in it.
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The Kakashi fapping needs to stop.
 

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He didn't blitz Kaguya. He hit her the same exact way Sakura did

Kaguya destroys Perfect Susano'o, he's freefalling and activates Raikiri.

Kaguya is able to track him but doesn't know that he can go intangible so he gets the hit on her. That's not a blitz.

So did Sasuke blitz Madara when he cut him in half
 

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What's not relevant is your opinion unsupported by any actual facts.

I think this analogy should clear it up even for you:

1. Sasuke opts to use Amaterasu on Kaguya [ ]
2. Kaguya clearly notices it beforehand [ ], but does not evade it, and instead lets herself get hit, easily absorbing it afterwords [ ]

3. Kakashi prepares to attack Kaguya [ ]
4. Kaguya clearly notices him beforehand [ ], but does not evade it and only groans from pain [ ], realizing that she could not absorb the Kamui Raikiri.

To make it even simpler, to say Kakashi blitzed Kaguya would also be saying she cannot avoid Amaterasu. I'm not even using the Sakura argument here, though it's still valid.
 

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So did Sasuke blitz Madara when he cut him in half

Sasuke cutting Madara in half wasn't a blitz he was able to speak a sentence and saw Sasuke coming so that wasn't a blitz especially when Sasuke tried that again two chapter later and Madara blocks it. The only time he was blitzed was when he used Teleportation.

What relevance does that even have in this thread?
 

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Okay, prove it then. I wait. All what i posted were mangafacts, weren't they? :cool:

Sure I will :). Get ready

Hagomoro aka Rikudo Sennin admits inferiority to Kaguya

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Yeah, The issue here is that he is talking about the last time he has seen Kaguya as when he wasn't even TTH and he was most likely kid/teen while Kaguya had all the chakra in the world minus Hagoromo's chakra and Hamura's chakra.

Prime Past Kaguya > Present Kaguya

Rikudo Naruto and Sasuke having difficulties to physically dodge a chakra arm

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with a clone being forced to push them out of the way

Monster was only considered about Naruto and Sasuke as threats and acted on it's insticts. Unless you believe Sakura was faster then Naruto and Sasuke which was laughable. Also Chakra arm was directly moving at them while it was following Sakura from above so it could crush her going down.

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- Kakashi explains it perfectly ;).

Naruto confirming those chakra arms to be fast(with Sasuke agreeing)

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Kakashi doesn't care and lol the chakra arm by taking Sakura and outspeeding it despite being at point blank range

Kakashi just came from nowhere and snatched Sakura from behind as he was close to her and just fly up so at least his speed is close or just around Kaguya's monster form chakra arm.

Kaguya attacking Kakashi on 1 on 1(with Kakashi noticing the attack to be fast)

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Strength and speed nothing compared to before

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Kakashi loling the attack

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With interrogation mark on Kaguya emphasizing the surprise around Kakashi's phasing(Kakashi was still on his Susanoo on the bottom left panel and we read manga from right to left, from up to down)

Blitzing Kaguya without reaction

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Something lolSuke failed to do in a sneak attack+Rinnegan swap combo against a vastly inferior Kaguya

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Funny but your first premise is ultimately wrong. I mean Kaguya wasn't attacking Kakashi but it was Kakashi who came in line of her attack covering Naruto and Sasuke who were her aims from the begining.

Space Time Ninjutsu ghost mode > Kaguya's speed -> truth and it was impressive but he just phased through bones.
Then he just played smart and used Kaguya's full speed comming at him to his own gain by just falling down and hitting her. She was clueless about not hitting him while she was very close to him and was moving very fast and Kakashi just smartly as always use this advantage to pierce her.

Sasuke was in much worse condition as first gravity was still affecting him also. Kaguya was staying in place when Sasuke attacked and we know Space Time Ninjutsu doesn't do everything for you if you can not attack fast enough after just appearing and that why Kaguya escaped him by switching to another dimenssion so using Space Time Ninjutsu against Sasuke's movement.

Smartest

Outsmarting Kaguya

1- Sasuke, Naruto and his clone move halfway:

2- Kakashi makes the first opener with his Susanoo following up with a surprised kamui-Raikiri to hurt Kaguya and leave her open for a following move:



3- Naruto's clones cover original Sasuke behind when the original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) follows up an offensive attack on Kaguya with one of the remaining clones

4- If Kaguya attacks Naruto's clone he is safe. If Kaguya attacks original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) however, he closes the portal with Kamui(predicting even Black Zetsu's intervention)

5- After closing the portal, Sasuke uses his S/T jutsu to switch with the damaged clone and continue the combo attack with the original Naruto:


6- Sasuke then fakes an Amaterasu release, not allowing Kaguya to switch in the ice dimension:

7- In case Kaguya is fast enough to jump up regardless, Sakura who he left in the defragmented Susanoo above(likely on the Byakugan's blind spot) push her back in her initial position allowing the Naru-Sasu sealing process:


That was basically the strategy. He read Kaguya and Black Zetsu in a book.

1. True about outsmarting but not being faster then them as keep in Mind They were going to do according to Kakashi's plan so they may pretend to charge at kaguya but far from full speed allowing Kakashi to go ahead of them.

2. I already debunked this argument. Also it was all according to plan so comparing Naruto and Sasuke to kakashi while this plan was executed is pointless as it have no merit.

3. Nice move. Kakashi is indeed best strategy genius.

4. Again nice smarting move.

5. Cool plan. Rep for that Kakashi.

6. Now it may be Sasuke's own move or it could be Sasuke's idea so not credits given to kakashi

7. Truth that was Kakashi's greatness and his best mind.

Only a god can acknowledge another god

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Yeah. Hagoromo acknowldged Kakashi's battle smartness which is most likely above Hagoromo. Hagoromo praised Kakashi;s skills in that and the way he used Naruto and Sasuke's skills to best Kaguya. However Hagoromo has never stated Kakashi is greater then him, or doing all stuff or even having advantage over Kaguya which is logically impossible.

sorry for delay but it is done

EDIT: Also selective reading is the best to troll:

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^^ Post whole speech where Hagoromo was adressing Kakashi. He only admited that without Kakashi it could be probably impossible to seal mother. However After Kakashi declines hagoromo's praise on him, Hagoromo didn't argue him but instead just confirm it and specify kakashi's great leadership skills which in compare to his power AND USING NARUTO AND SASUKE IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE gave them victory. It is no hard to read, I think.
No she saw him as a treat seeing how she sent ash bones at him then he countered it and cut her before she could do anything.

Really, she wasn't even a bit concerned about Kakashi. I mean of course he was dangerous strategist and quite powerfull but he was not close to threat for her.
 
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Sasuke cutting Madara in half wasn't a blitz he was able to speak a sentence and saw Sasuke coming so that wasn't a blitz especially when Sasuke tried that again two chapter later and Madara blocks it. The only time he was blitzed was when he used Teleportation.

What relevance does that even have in this thread?

nothing I thought you are sauce fapper
 

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Physical attacks, are your serious?

Raikiri is Ninjutsu
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Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu or anything with Chakra in it.
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The Kakashi fapping needs to stop.

Lol Physical as in physically moving to attack.... Amaterasu is not at all physical.

She dodged Sasuke's raikiri but couldnt against Kakashi. Those are the facts.
 
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What's not relevant is your opinion unsupported by any actual facts.

I think this analogy should clear it up even for you:

1. Sasuke opts to use Amaterasu on Kaguya [ ]
2. Kaguya clearly notices it beforehand [ ], but does not evade it, and instead lets herself get hit, easily absorbing it afterwords [ ]
In that case, she would have absorbed the raikiri(a ninjutsu) too, which she didn't because the attack blitzed her

3. Kakashi prepares to attack Kaguya [ ]
4. Kaguya clearly notices him beforehand [ ], but does not evade it and only groans from pain [ ], realizing that she could not absorb the Kamui Raikiri.
She wasn't noticing it at all. Read my previous post again. She was just surprised by the fact Kakashi was phasing her attack

To make it even simpler, to say Kakashi blitzed Kaguya would also be saying she cannot avoid Amaterasu. I'm not even using the Sakura argument here, though it's still valid.
No, she didn't need to dodge amaterasu because he could absorb it. She failed to do so with the Raikiri because the attack blitzed her
 

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^ This guy's straight up trolling now... :lol

Sasuke never used shunshin he is using S/T so after teleporting he still needs to attack (move his body). Kakashi used shunshin which means he covered distance and while covering distance he performed attack (moved his body) .

Which would hold any relevance if Kakashi's striking speed were better than Sasuke's, and it would still mean Kakashi blitzed Kaguya's strongest form that appeared in the fight. :lol
 

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Even Kishi knew it lolol. Rinnegan Itachi would neg
 

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Lol Physical as in physically moving to attack.... Amaterasu is not at all physical.

She dodged Sasuke's raikiri but couldnt against Kakashi. Those are the facts.

Like I said before Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu, Kamui Raikiri is Ninjutsu. It's not that hard to understand.
 

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Like I said before Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu, Kamui Raikiri is Ninjutsu. It's not that hard to understand.

She could absorb Sasuke's raikiri too but she dodged.....
 

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^ This guy's straight up trolling now... :lol



Which would hold any relevance if Kakashi's striking speed were better than Sasuke's, and it would still mean Kakashi blitzed Kaguya's strongest form that appeared in the fight. :lol

The Kakashi fap boys are hilarious.

Kakashi who only got a small insignificant piece of Rikudo Chakra who Obito got from JJ Madara makes Kakashi faster than somebody who got 50% of Hagoromo's chakra from the man himself and has instant teleportation and yet somehow Kakashi is faster.:lmao:
 

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Since when does she absorb physical attacks?

Lmao.

More golden quotes, please. :lol

Omar19992010 said:
Kakashi who only got a small insignificant piece of Rikudo Chakra who Obito got from JJ Madara makes Kakashi faster than somebody who got 50% of Hagoromo's chakra from the man himself and has instant teleportation and yet somehow Kakashi is faster

That's what I don't freaking get, either. :lol
 

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The Kakashi fap boys are hilarious.

Kakashi who only got a small insignificant piece of Rikudo Chakra who Obito got from JJ Madara makes Kakashi faster than somebody who got 50% of Hagoromo's chakra from the man himself and has instant teleportation and yet somehow Kakashi is faster.:lmao:

No one said it was logical.....Obito coming back and giving Kakashi DMS was not logical but it still happened.

Get over it.
 

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She could absorb Sasuke's raikiri too but she dodged.....

Why absorb when you can dodge?

Here Pain and Nagato absorbs a Rasengan so that right their makes your argument fall flat.


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