Edo Hiruzen vs Deidara

[Izanamı.]

Edo regen is restricted.

Distance: 50m
Intel: manga

Who wins?

 

[DMT]

Hiruzen snipes him with Ninjutsu

 

[super yang]

Hiruzen smothers him with Ninjutsu

 

[New Dawn]

Deidara wins easily. Hmm.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Everything Deidara can throw out is either nullified via raiton or prematurely detonated with katon. Deidara is overwhelmed by at least four shadow clones throwing out both ninjutsu and multiple shuriken.

 

[Dying Soldier]

Hiruzen can start of the fight by sending one or two kage bunshins to attack Deidara while he summons Enma and observes Deidara's initial movements. Orochimaru implied that Hiruzen's fighting style revolved around them [

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] while using his keen intellectual capacity to figure out the fighting style and the subtle intricacies/nature of the opponent's attacks as shown in the war arc [

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The clone or clones' large AoE kage shuriken whether in

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or in

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form should pressure Deidara into retaliating by jumping and prepping a clay bird. The C2 Dragon is very bulky and its flight pattern is laboured compared to his smaller birds, and it wasn't even capable of dodging Chidori Spear's

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. The small bird is very agile but Deidara's attacks aren't as powerful without access to his C2 bombs. Given the fact that the clones can follow up a kage shuriken with a large scale Fire and Wind Release combination that arguably spans the entire width of a bijuu [

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], Deidara should opt to form his smaller bird to start out the match to evade some techniques rather than risk getting shot out of the sky immediately. We've also seen that, in the manga, Deidara's natural progression is from C1 to his stronger attacks like C2 and either C3 or C4 both of which he doesn't use unless it's neccessary for him to do so. Not to mention that the C2 bird makes Deidara a bigger target.

After Deidara attains flight, he'll start with some standard C1 bombs to dispatch the clones in pursuit of him, but the C1 can be tanked by spitting out thick earth walls. C1 was

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. Hiruzen's chakra is obviously much stronger than Akatsuchi's and he is also capable of making larger and thicker earth walls in comparison. The real Hiruzen can either form an earth wall beneath him or spit mud at the ground beneath him and use the material to create an earth wall while he stands on top of it to elevate himself and get closer to Deidara in the air. The already sizable wall used by Hiruzen in part one [

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] should be scaled up since he now has a much greater capacity to mould and release chakra as an Edo, as if he were in his prime.

The adamantine staff extension and some giant lightning spears used by the kage bunshins below, and/or the bunshin the real Hiruzen can form to his side should give Deidara one hell of a time as it's much tougher to dodge large scale attacks from different directions. Kage fūma shuriken imbued with Lightning Release should overwhelm and diffuse the amount of bombs Deidara can create at a time. Don't discount Hiruzen from doing this at all as he will know that Deidara is from Iwagakure, and a large number of their shinobi have the Earth Release affinity. He was also capable of figuring out the Gudōdama's properties through mere observation and combat.

Another point to consider is the speed of Hiruzen's execution and jutsus. He was able to meet the Buddha's natures halfway despite SZ having shot them first. Also, they only take one hand seal.

Hiruzen wins mid difficulty.

 

[RedRobin]

Deidara wins.

Nothing Hiruzen can do about his flight. Enma can extend but Deidara can easily dodge that in the air.

Hiruzen does not have the sharingan to see Deidara's hand seal to know he uses doton so he wont easily know to counter with raiton. He also will not be able to see C4 in the air.

 

[Izanamı.]

He also will not be able to see C4 in the air.

C4's nano bombs contain chakra and Hiruzen is a sensor so he'll be able to anticipate the microscopic bombs and possibly blow them away from reaching him with his Fuuton or avoid the thing altogether.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

...Most of Hiruzen's abilities are long-range though. Shuriken, Mud Dragon, Fire Dragon, he can even throw the staff and it can extend/transform. These are all abilities he has...

I don't get how Deidara is winning this.

 

[RedRobin]

C4's nano bombs contain chakra and Hiruzen is a sensor so he'll be able to anticipate the microscopic bombs and possibly blow them away from reaching him with his Fuuton or avoid the thing altogether.

When did he show sensing?

Still all he will feel is tiny chakra around, maybe not even noticeable but he had no idea how to counter it or even what to counter.

 

[RedRobin]

...Most of Hiruzen's abilities are long-range though. Shuriken, Mud Dragon, Fire Dragon, he can even throw the staff and it can extend/transform. These are all abilities he has...

I don't get how Deidara is winning this.

Deidara is super high in the air and can dodge all of this while dropping bombs all over.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Deidara is super high in the air and can dodge all of this while dropping bombs all over.

Maybe i'm missing something but surely something will nullify that. The mud bomb dragon alone should take a couple hits. Also can't Enma form a prison defense structure?

 

[RedRobin]

Maybe i'm missing something but surely something will nullify that. The mud bomb dragon alone should take a couple hits. Also can't Enma form a prison defense structure?

Sure the big visible bombs but not C4. Which should still enter his body(?) and disintegrate it.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Sure the big visible bombs but not C4.

Enma's made of Adamantium though! That's a big statement.

 

[-immortal-]

Hiruzen

#believe in the hype

 

[Izanamı.]

When did he show sensing?

His

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technique. The databook states that in order to track people with it the caster needs to know the chakra signature of the person who is being tracked. So logically since Hiruzen needs to pick up the chakra sig of his target this means he can sense chakra.

Spoiler

NINJUTSU; Toomegane no jutsu (Telescopic Observation technique*)
User: Sandaime
Supplementary; Long range; Rank: A

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A jutsu that uses a crystal ball to track a particular individual anywhere they are. There are a few restrictions about the person that is subjected to pursuit. The caster must know that person's chakra pattern. If someone can be targeted for pursuit, they may be miles and miles far away, the crystal ball will be able to confirm their position. As this jutsu is infallible for intelligence purposes, Sandaime Hokage uses it to maintain public order in the village.

Still all he will feel is tiny chakra around, maybe not even noticeable but he had no idea how to counter it or even what to counter.

Well he's shown great analytical skills during the war arc to the point he deduced how TSB worked when JJ Obito attacked him and the datebook hypes him to be a genius who surpasses Tobirama, so I doubt he will let something foreign made out of his opponent's chakra simply slip past him.

 

[New Dawn]

Hiruzen is hyped up old joke. DeiDei wins.

 

[super yang]

Hiruzen

#believe in the feats

there we go...

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Hiruzen wins low-mid diff don't forget that he have lightining release

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Onoki is weaker than him and they're relatively equal.

Hiruzen's able to deal with flying, or Tsuchikage would have destroyed Konoha already.

Hiruzen has a bunch of ranged techniques. Deidara tries to destroy shuriken and gets shrapnel to the face GG. Think his shurikens lasted a bit after Juubito broke them.