Can Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen and Minato take on SM Hashirama?

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what? wood dragon alone negs BM minato's little ass kurama.

remember edo madara vs BM naruto?

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Binding an S/T user is almost impossible plus TBB takes care of Wood Dragon.
The only threat to BM Minato in Hashirama's arsenal is SS which can be warped away via prep marks however without prep marks Hashi wins since Minato has no way to take on SS.
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Minato teleported the Juubi tailed beast Bomb to the ocean with his base chakra without breaking a sweat. Space time barrier doesn't use the same chakra proportions as it takes to teleport something with FTG.

Juubi Bomb is larger than SS

thats edo minato with infinite chakra though.
 

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Hiruzen and Minato are good enough.

Hiruzen can use that staff to protect them or Minato can ftg any wood summoning to the ocean like he did the juubi ttb
 

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thats edo minato with infinite chakra though.

Their chakra regenerates infinitely. They literally cannot die of chakra exhaustion. However they still tire from chakra drain (it just regenerates quicker).

Gengetsu was panting heavily after using Joki Boi because it's extremely chakra taxing. Minato was exhausted from moving the entire alliance outside of Obito's barrier. However he used his space time barrier (which doesn't take nearly as much chakra as regular FTG) on e Juubi Bomb and was smiling afterwards. It literally didn't take any effort to port that thing away.
 

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Binding an S/T user is almost impossible plus TBB takes care of Wood Dragon.
The only threat to BM Minato in Hashirama's arsenal is SS which can be warped away via prep marks however without prep marks Hashi wins since Minato has no way to take on SS.

The game is perfect in every possible way...so many emotional scenes.

wood golem blocks TBB, not only that but even if minato has prep with kunai's all over the place hashi can create an entire forest in an instant moving around all the kunais and what not, teleporting the SS statue to the sea wont have any effect since shinobi's can "walk" on water with chakra, we've seen PS and other giant figures "walking on water"

flower world plus wood clones would have minato constantly on the run porting to one place to another, a sneak attack won't work since Hashi's SM has the reaction to counter FTG.

hashi is miles above minato and tobirama, prime hiruzen has no feats and is not even a factor in this fight.
 

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If Minato is alive they get stomped. Too much firepower with SS.
 

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If Minato is alive they get stomped. Too much firepower with SS.

It's literally suctioned and moved elsewhere. Don't know why people think SS is some immovable object :|

It's child's play compared to this:
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It's literally suctioned and moved elsewhere. Don't know why people think SS is some immovable object :|

It's child's play compared to this:
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Considering Minato needed time to knead chakra to warp Kurama away, you think alive Minato can warp a construction that completely dwarfs Kurama without drawbacks?

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Lmao.
 

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Considering Minato needed time to knead chakra to warp Kurama away, you think alive Minato can warp a construction that completely dwarfs Kurama without drawbacks?


Lmao.


You should learn the difference between teleporting something via regular FTG and teleporting something with Guiding Thunder.

No way can Minato teleport SS via FTG, it's physically impossible, even if he could pull it off, he'd die. However the space time barrier doesn't work the same way. The size one can teleport via FTG is related directly to the proportion of the size of the object that the person is teleporting. The chakra used for space time barrier only relates to the size of the tear in space that is made. The actual size of the object doesn't relate to how much chakra is used. You literally open the barrier and the object gets sucked in, the barrier does most of the work, while with FTG the user does all the work.

No need to laugh, it's simple understanding. Minato didn't warp kurama with space time barrier. Not to mention he had already used a lot of chakra prior to teleporting kurama. He teleported the Juubi tbb in base without effort. That's why when he teleported the entire alliance, despite using the nine tails chakra he was still exhausted, because he used regular FTG, meaning he needed to build up chakra proportionate to the size of every single ninja of the alliance. If he opened a barrier and everyone in the alliance ran through it, it would have been nothing.
 
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1. The barrier doesn't suck things in, objects that move into it are warped away. You sound as if objects are attracted to the barrier like a magnetic force.

2. The barrier won't work on a stationary object whose movement is controlled by Hashirama. It works on non-stationary objects like TBBs. Otherwise, he would have used it on Kurama instead of opting for the harder way.
 

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You should learn the difference between teleporting something via regular FTG and teleporting something with Guiding Thunder.

No way can Minato teleport SS via FTG, it's physically impossible, even if he could pull it off, he'd die. However the space time barrier doesn't work the same way. The size one can teleport via FTG is related directly to the proportion of the size of the object that the person is teleporting. The chakra used for space time barrier only relates to the size of the tear in space that is made. The actual size of the object doesn't relate to how much chakra is used. You literally open the barrier and the object gets sucked in, the barrier does most of the work, while with FTG the user does all the work.

No need to laugh, it's simple understanding. Minato didn't warp kurama with space time barrier. Not to mention he had already used a lot of chakra prior to teleporting kurama. He teleported the Juubi tbb in base without effort. That's why when he teleported the entire alliance, despite using the nine tails chakra he was still exhausted, because he used regular FTG, meaning he needed to build up chakra proportionate to the size of every single ninja of the alliance. If he opened a barrier and everyone in the alliance ran through it, it would have been nothing.

Minato teleporting SS away wont mean shit. Hashirama will always be standing on it so hashi will get teleported along with it. What minato needs is to separate Hashi from his SS, because he has no way of touching him if he doesnt.

TBB's are joke. SS's atacks stalemated 12 TBB Blades.

FTG- Useful for dodging hashirama's atacks, but nothing else. He isn't touching hashirama and just dodging hashi's atacks all day has no purpose, he isn't winning like that.

SS >= PS+Kiuuby , minato's avatar is a joke for hashirama.
 

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1. The barrier doesn't suck things in, objects that move into it are warped away. You sound as if objects are attracted to the barrier like a magnetic force.

2. The barrier won't work on a stationary object whose movement is controlled by Hashirama. It works on non-stationary objects like TBBs. Otherwise, he would have used it on Kurama instead of opting for the harder way.

1. Databook says it suctions the objects in comes into contact with... Instantly.

2. SS isn't stationary, it ran towards Madara's PS Kurama. The Juubi tbb was stationary and Minato still sucked it in. Killer bee was keeping it from moving, that didn't stop Minato. If he used the barrier on kurama, he would have sucked in Bunta as well -____-. He needed to separate Bunta from kurama.
 

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1. Databook says it suctions the objects in comes into contact with... Instantly.

2. SS isn't stationary, it ran towards Madara's PS Kurama. The Juubi tbb was stationary and Minato still sucked it in. Killer bee was keeping it from moving, that didn't stop Minato. If he used the barrier on kurama, he would have sucked in Bunta as well -____-. He needed to separate Bunta from kurama.

-I said it's a stationary object whose movement is controlled by Hashirama, unlike TBBs SS only moves if Hashi wants it to, when he wants it to, and where he wants it to.

-Why did Minato opt to summon Bunta to restrain Kurama and warp it away instead of erecting a barrier in front of it?

Because Kurama has to physically walk into it and Minato knew it wasn't a good strategy. Same concept with SS, Hashirama has to move it into the barrier, assuming Minato can erect a barrier that large in the first place.
 

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The Last Of Us is an amazing game. I just barley best it and let me tell u that you will absolutely love the story
 

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Yes Tobirama, Hiruzen and Minato can beat Hashirama; all 3 of them have better battle smart feats than him and all have skills that can help them win the fight. Tobirama is the same level as Hashirama and Madara, he's just weaker than both ( MS Madara was capable of fighting on Hashirama level, lost but still fought on that level. Tobirama killed Izuna who was said to be Madara's equal). He knows his brother's fighting style and was stated by Madara to be the fastest of their time so Hashirama isn't touching him. He was the one calling the shots after joining the war and his strategies allowed him to hit Juubito who was physically faster than them. He also has a pretty high chakra reserve and have jutsus capable of cutting a branch off of the God tree so doing it on Hashirama's wood jutsus should be a problem. He has FTG which can teleport anything he or his chakra touches, he can flood the area with water (as his Edo form did in part 1 against Hiruzen) then FTG anywhere his water touches or FTG anyone who is on his water since its created by his chakra. He's also a sensory type which only makes his reflexes even better than they already are.

Prime Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest Hokage while old Hiruzen stated to be the strongest Kage in part 1. Hiruzen was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama so knows of both of their fighting styles which can help him fight Hashirama and fight as a team with Tobirama. Hiruzen has a large chakra reserve, he even had Kage level chakra in his old age and it was said to be lower than when he was younger. He can use all 5 basic chakra natures and know all non-KKG jutsus in Konoha. He's also really smart when it comes to ninjutsus, he can tell the jutsu from seeing the hand signs and can analyze it to try and find its weakness. His senses are sharp, able to locate and properly defend against attacks using only his sense of smell after Hashirama's genjutsus took away his sight and hearing.

Minato is really smart, he's able to quickly take the information that he has and piece it together to find a likely answer. He can breakdown jutsus by seeing it once and further break it down by seeing it more than once as he did with Chidori and Kamui; he even made the Rasengan after studying the TBB process. Minato is stated to be a genius that comes once in a generation and Jiraiya said they haven't had a genius like Minato since Minato and ninjas such as Neji, Shikamaru, Itachi, Sasuke, and Kakashi all came after Minato. He has a large chakra reserve, learning SM requires it; he has SM as well which is on the level Pein arc Naruto's SM is one (Naruto was told it doesn't last long and requires time to go into SM which are things Minato complained about SM plus he was low on chakra at that point so his SM wouldn't have been strong and I don't think an Edo could fuse with the Toad sages. Minato is pretty strong physically, he almost cut all the way thru Bee's tentacle with little to no leverage. SM increases Minato's base speed, strength, durability, recovery rate, chakra reserve, and jutsus power; so Minato's base speed and shunshin would made him much much faster (Edo's are weaker than alive forms plus Minato was low on chakra and SM awakens the body which most likely doesn't do on Edo since they're dead bodies). He's a sensor in base and it's even stronger in SM. Base Minato is skilled enough to fight A and Bee on more than one occasion and walk away from the fight and even leave such an impression that Bee trembles at the mention of his name.

Prime Hiruzen should have this alone but adding the other 2 makes it much more one sided. Now if you said Prime Hashirama which is Hashirama when he has Bijuus 2-9 under his control and actually uses them in battle then that's a whole different story but since he had Bijuus 2-8 when he fought Madara and Kurama, I don't see him using them either way.
 

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Anyone can take on Hashirama

Doesn't mean they'd win
 

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Last of us is a great game, the story is simply excellent. Also great game play, it's a must buy imo.

OT: that math post :lmao:
 

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Prime Hiruzen solos? :eww:

From fourth databook:
That unrivaled characteristic was one of the substantiating factors for Hashirama being the strongest ninja.

The guy could heal wounds without even making hand symbols.

All of his arts are superior by a factor of 10…

He who is most valiant, known as “Ninja God”

Although it is normally extremely difficult to exercise chakras for hermit sorcery in battle, Hashirama has the abitily to instantly enter “Hermit Mode”.

To this day, there is no ninja existing who surpasses his power.

ecc ecc

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