Naruto Manga 492 Discussion and 493 Predictions

[Pupps]

what the ****?!?!?!?! "Since Naruto is from a warmer climate this will be more natural for him" this is complete bull****

Well excuse me, no need to get cranky. Need I remind you that this is a FORUM? If what I said confuses you, then maybe you should read it again a little more carefully.

 

[shadpow]

Well Every one is predicting lots of stuff I can recollect some predictions actually formed the part of story line like Futon rasen Shirken... I think Kishi is reading this forum in order to get our Genius ideas to take the plot ahead wat u say guys..

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Well Every one is predicting lots of stuff I can recollect some predictions actually formed the part of story line like Futon rasen Shirken... I think Kishi is reading this forum in order to get our Genius ideas to take the plot ahead wat u say guys..

I also thought of it u never know he may be reading the post right now

 

[Issu]

I also thought of it u never know he may be reading the post right now

Nah, I'm sure you'll be fine.. XD

 

[Hakachi]

Well Every one is predicting lots of stuff I can recollect some predictions actually formed the part of story line like Futon rasen Shirken... I think Kishi is reading this forum in order to get our Genius ideas to take the plot ahead wat u say guys..

Wow omg that would be pretty awesome! Think of it, We think of some awesome plot twist and Kishi makes it happen! It's every fans dream

 

[uzamaki2223]

No, not any of the ones following Asuma and Shikamaru. I was talking about one of the 2 Konoha ninjas who was following Ino and Choji.
Here`s a good picture of him:

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Top right corner. The one preforming the crow genjutsu.

Here is the same guy in the latest chapter:

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They do look pretty much alike, don`t you think?

i think that u r on to something. they do look really similar

 

[uzamaki2223]

i thought this was a nice chapter, i also think its interesting that gai came along, because it could have been anyone else or no1 at all, but hes here and so is samahada where kisame is hiding. i think gai will be the one to fight kisame and hopefully gai would have improved and we will see him use his elemental jutsu's to win.
i think i read somewhere that he was water natured(im not sure, so dont turn on me lol)

let me hear your opinions

i actually thought the same thing. i mean y Gai of all the jonin? they could've sent anyother jonin but y him. it has to b that he's gonna fight kisame and hopefully die so that lee or mayb neji can kill him.

 

[Pupps]

Well Every one is predicting lots of stuff I can recollect some predictions actually formed the part of story line like Futon rasen Shirken... I think Kishi is reading this forum in order to get our Genius ideas to take the plot ahead wat u say guys..

I agree

 

[dryman19]

i agree and i always keep saying kisimoto justu is very powerfull jutsu

 

[Hijey]

Nice prediction you have brought up, Pupps! It is quite possible. I have resently re-read Naruto again, and I have found something interesting

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.The frog foreteller I think it is, mentions that both Naruto and Nagato is the children of profhecy. So I think that Naruto will get the Rinnegan one way or the other. That would make sense if the Jubi appears. Naruto has the body of Sage, and he has not the eyes of Sage.

 

[danivass]

Well excuse me, no need to get cranky. Need I remind you that this is a FORUM? If what I said confuses you, then maybe you should read it again a little more carefully.

Well maybe if I am reacting so dramatically your "wise and almighty" prediction has a few flaws in it. First, if the so-called Whirpool country was overthrown by Madara Uchiha it would have been over 70 years ago as the Water country existed a long time and has had 5 Kages. So there is no way for this theory to be correct (maybe to some extent but without the water country part). Then you say the following:

Haku combined his water elemental chakra & wind elemental chakra to create Hyouton(the ice element). Haku used his elemental affinities to create Hyouton because he was born in a snowy region of the Water Country & it was natural for him to create ice.


In conclusion, it is my belief that Naruto possesses the same kekkei genkai as Hashirama Senju & Haku of the Water Country. Naruto's second elemental affinity will be water & he will use his kekkei genkai to combine his wind & water elemental affinities to create a rain/storm element. Since Naruto is from a warmer climate this will be more natural for him, but he might also be able to create Hyouton.

Here is what storm release is

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How can he use the same elements Haku used and create a different element from Icequeen?

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

Discussion: The chapter was meh -_- excluding the parts where Naruto viewed an evil side of himself reflected against the waterfall. So, I suppose the waterfall in the Falls of Truth where Kirabi trained can magically reflect the evil side of yourself? (Well, like I have always said, there is simply no logic in Kishi?s world of Naruto or then again we have Kishi?s sense of logic). As well as when Naruto stated and I quote "How?s that? No man alive can resist this technique" and how in an instant the following panels revealed a Naruto slouched over in pain by the hit Kirabi gave him (this is what I assumed if I?m not mistaken unless it rather was an expression of anger) before exiting. Which, in my opinion was epically comedic seeing as far as I can remember no man who has witnessed this jutsu at the very least left them blushed and yet Kirabi nowhere to be found XD

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Phenomenally epic!!! ^.^

Predictions: It seems as though this Naruto/Kirabi training situation will drag on for another five to ten chapters in my opinion (though, I hope not -_-). On the brighter side, Naruto might be able to even better acknowledge the dark corrupt hate Sasuke possess through conversing with his own evil side reflected.​

 

[zed]

Wow omg that would be pretty awesome! Think of it, We think of some awesome plot twist and Kishi makes it happen! It's every fans dream

I think Kushina Uzumaki (narruto's mother) is coming back in next 4-5 chapters!!
Now lets see if Kishi makes this happen!! xd

One more thing what if naruto puts Sasuke in this water fall.... maybe a good susuke comes out

 

[Pupps]

Well maybe if I am reacting so dramatically your "wise and almighty" prediction has a few flaws in it. First, if the so-called Whirpool country was overthrown by Madara Uchiha it would have been over 70 years ago as the Water country existed a long time and has had 5 Kages. So there is no way for this theory to be correct (maybe to some extent but without the water country part). Then you say the following:

Here is what storm release is

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How can he use the same elements Haku used and create a different element from Icequeen?

OK yes I agree that my prediction may have a few flaws in it, I guess I rambled on for awhile. I dont really read any other comic but naruto except maybe bleach every once in awhile, so I wouldnt know what you were talking about if you were to compare knowledge about the two comics relating the same elements. Chill out dude. I mean come on, how many times do I have to repeat my self?? This is a F-O-R-U-M meant for discussion and prediction. No need to get all critical about it, and im sorry if I sounded like a know-it-all when describing what was on my mind.

 

[uhIpooped]

NOTE - LONG EXPLANATION


I believe Naruto has a secret kekkei genkai ability that is unknown to most everyone in the series. The following theory will attempt to prove this possiblity.


The first piece of evidence that supports my theory is a statement by Yamato. In chapter 299, entitled "The Source of Strength", Yamato makes the following observations about the Kyuubi's chakra:

Naruto Chapter 299 page 4

"The Kyuubi's chakra is acting like poison...entering through her wound. Something like that can't simply be healed by Sakura's level of healing jutsu. Which makes me even more surprised that Naruto is able to endure it."

Just a few pages later Yamato makes the following statement while speaking to Naruto:

Naruto chapter 299 page 11

"Your true strength isn't from Kyuubi's power, and the reason you're able to stand Kyuubi's chakra is because of the strength of your own chakra."

The above quote implies that Naruto's own chakra holds some special properties that normal people's chakra lack. Naruto, on his own can withstand the negative effects of the Kyuubi's chakra. This is a fact supported by the manga itself.


There are currently only two known kekkei genkai abilities that can control the Kyuubi's chakra. The first is the Mangekyou Sharingan as noted here & here. While unconfirmed, it is believed that Mangekyou Sharingan controls the Kyuubi through the use of genjutsu. It is quite obvious that Naruto has neither Mangekyou Sharingan or genjutsu strong enough to control the Kyuubi. The only other known kekkei genkai that possesses the ability to control Kyuubi chakra is the unnamed kekkei genkai ability of Hashirama Senju, the first hokage. Yamato, a clone of Hashirama demonstrates this ability here & here. He then explains why only he can use the ability here & here

It is my belief that the hidden kekkei genkai that Naruto possesses is the same one Hashirama Senju had. I also believe that Haku of the land of water also had this ability. The abilities of Haku & Hashirama were simply named after the elements they created by combining their elemental affinities. Hashirama's being Mokuton(earth+water) & Haku's being Hyouton(wind+water). I believe their abilities came from the same source. That source is the kekkei genkai(bloodline limit) of the Uzumaki clan.


The Uzumaki clan is a complete unknown at this point, however we do known Naruto's mother was from the Uzumaki clan, as well as the Whirlpool Country. It is possible that the former Whirlpool Country was the home of the Uzumaki clan, however something happened to the Whirlpool Country. Since it is refered to as the "former" Whirlpool Country, it is safe to assume something happened to the country to cause it to no longer exist. I believe there are only two possible answers for what happened to the Whirlpool Country, it was either completely destroyed by some event/natural disaster or it was overthrown & renamed by the invaders. I believe it was the later. The Whirlpool Country was overthrown by a coup de'tat, led by none other than Madara Uchiha(I'll elaborate on this further later).


Kushina Uzumaki was from the ruling family of the Uzumaki clan, she was saved from certain death during the coup de'tat & taken to Konoha to be with her distant cousins the Senjus. Hashirama & his brother were the sons of an Uzumaki mother. It is the Uzumaki women that carry the kekkei genkai of the Uzumaki clan. Hashirama's mother married a man from the Senju of the Forest. It is my belief that Hashirama got his earth elemental affinity from his father & his water elemental affinity from his mother. This would also explain why Nidaime was so skilled with his water elemental jutsu. The affinity for water is most likely pasted down through the Uzumaki genes in a similiar manner to the fire elemental affinity of the Uchiha clan. Kushina would have known of the Uzumaki's clan kekkei genkai & she would have been able to tell Minato that their child would have had the possiblity of containing the Kyuubi.

There are two things that further reinforce my belief. Kishimoto often uses symbolism to hint at certain plot points. I believe the following instances of symbolism point to a connection betweeb Naruto & Hashirama Senju:

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Naruto has just defaced the Hokage monument, he even signs his work. The funny thing about this is where Naruto signs his name. Naruto's name appears on Hashirama, the Shodaime Hokage & Minato Namikaze, the Yondaime Hokage. One of these men has already been revealed to be Naruto's father, could the other also have a blood relation to Naruto?
Also, to prove that what Naruto places on the Hokage monument is indeed the signature of his last name Uzumaki, I offer this, Naruto's signature on the summoning pact he made with Gamabunta. Naruto signs the name Uzumaki with the same spiral he wears as a clan symbol. The spiral is the symbol of the Uzumaki clan.

To further show the connection between Hashirama & Naruto, we simply need to look at the uniform of all Konoha ninja. The uniform has the spiral symbol of the Uzumaki. It is my belief that Hashirama did this to pay tribute to the source of his kekkei genaki, the same kekkei genkai that allowed him to defeat Madara Uchiha. During his battle with Madara Uchiha, Hashirama wore the uniform of the Senju clan, however after that event the Senju clan's uniform was no longer used.

Then there is that defining moment at the Valley of the End, were Naruto stood on Hashirama's head & Sasuke on Madara's head, here. There is also the fact that Naruto is in possession of Hashirama's chakra crystal necklace. The very necklace that Hashirama used to control bijuu, why give Naruto this necklace if he will never make use of it?



Now, I also believe that Haku share the same blood as Naruto & Hashirama. I believe that the current Water Country was once the former Whirlpool Country. Madara Uchiha after his defeat at the hands of Hashirama, took the opportunity his apparent death gave him to leave the land of fire. Madara Uchiha went in search of the source of Hashirama's power & he found it. Madara Uchiha learned that Hashirama was a descended of the Uzumaki clan & that the Uzumaki clan had a special kekkei genkai. Madara wanted to destory the source of Hashirama Senju's power, so he started a rebellion against the Uzumaki clan, rulers of the then Whirlpool Country. The civil war lead to the death of many Uzumaki clan members as well as other clans with kekkei genkai abilities from the Whirlpool Country. Madara's side won & the Whirlpool Country was renamed the Water Country. Madara became the Mizukage. Those with kekkei genkai abilities were persecuted, those who were still alive went into hiding.

Haku's mother was one of the Uzumaki clan members that survived, she fled to the snowy northern region of the now Water Country. Their she met a man & got married. She eventually gave birth to Haku, of course you know what happened next. Haku discovered the Uzumaki clan's kekkei genkai on his own. His father then killed his mother & Haku killed his father & the other villagers in self defense. Those with kekkei genkai abilities were considered the cause of the civil war, so they were always hunted & killed. Haku met Zabuza & they begin their journey together. Haku combined his water elemental chakra & wind elemental chakra to create Hyouton(the ice element). Haku used his elemental affinities to create Hyouton because he was born in a snowy region of the Water Country & it was natural for him to create ice.


In conclusion, it is my belief that Naruto possesses the same kekkei genkai as Hashirama Senju & Haku of the Water Country. Naruto's second elemental affinity will be water & he will use his kekkei genkai to combine his wind & water elemental affinities to create a rain/storm element. Since Naruto is from a warmer climate this will be more natural for him, but he might also be able to create Hyouton. Naruto will be able to control the rain itself. He will also be able to create whirlpools & tidalwaves as well. Naruto may also discover a third elemental affinity for earth, allowing him to use Mokuton as well. Another thing is since Naruto possesses Shodaime's chakra crystal necklace, he will receive the same benefit that Shodaime did. Naruto will be able to bend Bijuu's & their chakra to his will. The only thing keeping Naruto's kekkei genkai from manifesting is the Kyuubi. Naruto will eventually lose the Kyuubi, but I'll save that for another theory.

very nice! However there are just a few flaws...
1) Naruto destroyed the crystal necklace during the Pein fight... so that wont be in the story anymore... and as I understood it, the necklace was a tool for Yamato to help control the Kyuubi (being a clone of the 1st) although it did seem to suppress the Kyuubi to a point.. I don't think it had any direct link to the Bijuu's though.. at least that was never stated..

Haashi's ability to control the Bijuu's came from being a descendant of the 2 sons of SO6P.. the younger was given the lifeforce and body of SO6P.. Which imo are the keys to controling the Bijuu.. along with an immense willpower hence Lifeforce... Naruto does seem to have these...

2) Combining 2 elements doesn't seem to be a Kekki Genkai.. Granted only the 1st and Yamato can do Mokuton.. this may be because of balance... like Naruto in sage training.. if he couldnt balance the chakaras he'd turn into a toad.. This is semi supported by the Danzo fight.. where he started turning into a tree.. he couldn't maintain the balance, and so it started to take him over.. I could be wrong but combining to elements to create a combination of the 2 just doesn't seem like a KG... I think that like with becoming a Sage, the user must have a Huge amount of chakara already in order to keep things balanced.

3) If the Uzumaki clan came from the whirlpool village, the 1st and Haku both had Water as their main elements, and added the other to create their unique jutsu's... Wouldn't Naruto's main element be water then and not Wind?
Also during his element training, wouldn't he have shown another affinity for a different element? I don't think he'd just wake up and say "Hey.. I'm gonna use water elements now.." I must say that your Ideas are very feasible though.. I'd like to think that Naruto's second affinity would be fire.. Combined with rasen shurikken... I think that may put a dent in Ameterasu..

Keep up the good work though!

 

[uhIpooped]

I was just thinking also...
Sasuke has Sasoono (spelling?)... and Amaterasu...
So Sasuke could just light Naruto up with Amaterasu.. Hide inside of Sasoono.. and be unbeatable...
So... what could Naruto gain to equal these out?
will having full control of the Kyuubi create a demon cloak like Sasoono.. impenetrable?
Rasen shuriken compared to Amaterasu...
Amaterasu wins... as it can never be put out...
So what will Naruto learn to compete?

 

[uhIpooped]

I don't think that Itachi's gift to Naruto was to have the Sharingan first of all that doesn't make sense and secondly he said he hoped Naruto doesn't need to use it against Sasuke so may be its a power that may harm Sasuke

Itachi only said "I hope you never have to use this..."
he never mentioned Sasuke when he said that.. and Yes I know they were talking about Sasuke at the time...
But I still believe it was Itachi's life force, that he gave to Naruto.. So that when Naruto dies, he can come back to help and protect his brother...

 

[Degrees]

Discussion: The chapter was meh -_- excluding the parts where Naruto viewed an evil side of himself reflected against the waterfall. So, I suppose the waterfall in the Falls of Truth where Kirabi trained can magically reflect the evil side of yourself? (Well, like I have always said, there is simply no logic in Kishi?s world of Naruto or then again we have Kishi?s sense of logic). As well as when Naruto stated and I quote "How?s that? No man alive can resist this technique" and how in an instant the following panels revealed a Naruto slouched over in pain by the hit Kirabi gave him (this is what I assumed if I?m not mistaken unless it rather was an expression of anger) before exiting. Which, in my opinion was epically comedic seeing as far as I can remember no man who has witnessed this jutsu at the very least left them blushed and yet Kirabi nowhere to be found XD

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Phenomenally epic!!! ^.^

Predictions: It seems as though this Naruto/Kirabi training situation will drag on for another five to ten chapters in my opinion (though, I hope not -_-). On the brighter side, Naruto might be able to even better acknowledge the dark corrupt hate Sasuke possess through conversing with his own evil side reflected.​

Maybe he used the 8 tails just like he did when Sasuke used his genjutsu xd.

 

[Narutofan123457]

i just had a thought! if naruto learns to control kyuubi, he will b able to join with the toad masters and his sage mode will b 10X stronger and last 10X longer

 

[Pupps]

very nice! However there are just a few flaws...
1) Naruto destroyed the crystal necklace during the Pein fight... so that wont be in the story anymore... and as I understood it, the necklace was a tool for Yamato to help control the Kyuubi (being a clone of the 1st) although it did seem to suppress the Kyuubi to a point.. I don't think it had any direct link to the Bijuu's though.. at least that was never stated..

Haashi's ability to control the Bijuu's came from being a descendant of the 2 sons of SO6P.. the younger was given the lifeforce and body of SO6P.. Which imo are the keys to controling the Bijuu.. along with an immense willpower hence Lifeforce... Naruto does seem to have these...

2) Combining 2 elements doesn't seem to be a Kekki Genkai.. Granted only the 1st and Yamato can do Mokuton.. this may be because of balance... like Naruto in sage training.. if he couldnt balance the chakaras he'd turn into a toad.. This is semi supported by the Danzo fight.. where he started turning into a tree.. he couldn't maintain the balance, and so it started to take him over.. I could be wrong but combining to elements to create a combination of the 2 just doesn't seem like a KG... I think that like with becoming a Sage, the user must have a Huge amount of chakara already in order to keep things balanced.

3) If the Uzumaki clan came from the whirlpool village, the 1st and Haku both had Water as their main elements, and added the other to create their unique jutsu's... Wouldn't Naruto's main element be water then and not Wind?
Also during his element training, wouldn't he have shown another affinity for a different element? I don't think he'd just wake up and say "Hey.. I'm gonna use water elements now.." I must say that your Ideas are very feasible though.. I'd like to think that Naruto's second affinity would be fire.. Combined with rasen shurikken... I think that may put a dent in Ameterasu..

Keep up the good work though!

Thank you for your approval on my post
But just a quick question for my error on number 2 as you say. I thought that when Kakashi was teaching Naruto the element control that he said that having two element affinities was a KC?? Also for number 3 that you put, what my theory was, was that since we know that Narutos mother was from the whirlpool country, I thought that maybe she had the affinity for water. Also I gathered the thought of Minato having the affinity for wind. Also I think that Kakashi said that ninja usualy have two affinities. But out of curiousity, if he had a second affinity, what crossed your mind to think his second affinity would be fire? This is my longest post and this is the first time i got this many responces for it. Im full of question becuase i would like to understand more about the manga and whats on everybodies mind. But thank you for the encouragement!