Manga Proof: Naruto has Lost his RSM!

[UzumakiRyu]

Alrighty,

About Pigmentation around his eyes,

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About Instant BSM

Naruto's done this one before

Base Naruto

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And next instant, BSM Naruto

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It isn't a refined BSM at one point Yang Kurama hated the fact Naruto was using Sage Mode wondering why he would need that power when he had his own (Kurama's). Fact is the lack of pigmentation is related only to his RSM Mode. The other reasons you state like lack of TSB which is due them being destroyed and other is likely due to them returning the seals to Hagamoro.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

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There you go.

"Using techniques based on onmyoudon" Not using onmyoudon. TSB are onmyoudon Themselves. DB included them in the picture I provided above.

 

[Michael]

Never knew you were this rustled Lol

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OT: Now why would a guy who obviously doesn't understand manga or simply deny mangafacts rustle me? Try Again

 

[Xāvî1]

"Using techniques based on onmyoudon" Not using onmyoudon. TSB are onmyoudon Themselves. DB included them in the picture I provided above.

omnyoudon is ying & yang combo release hat nullifies all ninjutsu. just like raiton is lighting its another chakra elemental release.

TSB are onmyoudon

first time i heard of it.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Lel this clown Lol



Never knew you were this rustled Lol

Exactly what I thought, Now go read the manga some more kid.

omnyoudon is ying & yang combo release hat nullifies all ninjutsu.



first time i heard of it.

It's one shape of TSB, DB clearly states that and includes it in the picture :lol
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Listed as just a Ninjutsu (not Kekkei Mōra), used by Madara, Obito, and Naruto. It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them. They can manipulate each orb independently. Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest. With the power of Creation of All Things, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta.

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It's a part of TSB, It ain't separate

 

[Michael]

Exactly what I thought, Now go read the manga some more kid.

Like i told Ryu, minatard is an obvious troll, you should simply dislike and walk away.

 

[Minator93]

This is not true as it was not an instant SM. He did say that being in BM, allowed him to absorb Natural energy a lot faster, and the time he was dwelling in memories, slowly made the pigments appear and allowed him to gather more chakra.

While in the most recent battles and in the last...the sage transformation is quite frankly instantaneous with the BM transformation. This was a feat Naruto could not undergo without the Rikodou chakra. And we have previously learned from Naruto that even though chakra is finite, it doesn't fully run out, but becomes so small, it would not be noticeable...notice how his Kurama chakra never left any shinobi's? It just became smaller.

I theorize that it is indeed not RSM anymore...since the marks in his back are missing, but he still has the 9 bijuu, allowing him to create and gather faster natural energy, enhancing his SM.

Well Naruto's SM entering speed has increased a lot, Hashirama used to enter SM almost instantaneously, I believe Naruto's reached that level now. And no he dwelled in the memories after the marks appeared [as seen in manga, anime made a mistake here]

About Chakra no, Take Minato and Naruto for instant, Minato could teleport to his chakra link, now if chakra never left then that means Minato can teleport to anything he gave his chakra too no matter how little it was or the time that passed, but that wasn't the case. Despite sharing chakra and chakra link with Minato there was no way for him to teleport to Naruto once Kurama was gone, meaning Chakra can and has gone away. [Same with Obito-Kakashi]

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Last part is plausible.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Like i told Ryu, minatard is an obvious troll, you should simply dislike and walk away.

There's absolutely nothing to argue about anymore , The guy clearly lacks reading comprehension.

:lol I'm done .

 

[Gein]

I dont see how people didnt realize this

 

[Six Paths]

Well Naruto's SM entering speed has increased a lot, Hashirama used to enter SM almost instantaneously, I believe Naruto's reached that level now. And no he dwelled in the memories after the marks appeared [as seen in manga, anime made a mistake here]

About Chakra no, Take Minato and Naruto for instant, Minato could teleport to his chakra link, now if chakra never left then that means Minato can teleport to anything he gave his chakra too no matter how little it was or the time that passed, but that wasn't the case. Despite sharing chakra and chakra link with Minato there was no way for him to teleport to Naruto once Kurama was gone, meaning Chakra can and has gone away. [Same with Obito-Kakashi]

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Last part is plausible.

I think the reason that Kurama said that was that you need someone to actually mold the chakra. With Kurama gone, and his chakra disappearing, there was no one to mold and control the chakra. As shown, Naruto was able to control the chakra he gave everyone. But with the chakra of kurama taken away and Naruto dying...there was noone to mold it and differentiate it. That chakra was most likely absorbed by everyone, or the little bit dissipated away.

And TBVH, there is no way to get enough sage chakra for SM in simple instants. Even though the time might get shorter, you need to stand still for SM, which Naruto didn't do neither in the last (which is canon), neither in his battle with Shin. And another fact is that the pigments were missing. Pigments, don't disappear, when the SM gets better. They are a sign of perfect SM. And Naruto lacked them....making me believe, it wasn't actually toad SM.

Edit: On a sidenote...welcome back and thanks for this discussion...
Been ages since I could do that ;-;

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I think the reason that Kurama said that was that you need someone to actually mold the chakra. With Kurama gone, and his chakra disappearing, there was no one to mold and control the chakra. As shown, Naruto was able to control the chakra he gave everyone. But with the chakra of kurama taken away and Naruto dying...there was noone to mold it and differentiate it. That chakra was most likely absorbed by everyone, or the little bit dissipated away.

And TBVH, there is no way to get enough sage chakra for SM in simple instants. Even though the time might get shorter, you need to stand still for SM, which Naruto didn't do neither in the last (which is canon), neither in his battle with Shin. And another fact is that the pigments were missing. Pigments, don't disappear, when the SM gets better. They are a sign of perfect SM. And Naruto lacked them....making me believe, it wasn't actually toad SM.

Exactly..

Jiraiya is the best example he had the same SM for years and it never refined to the point without pigmentation making it perfect SM so this thread is pointless.

 

[V h o]

Exactly..

Jiraiya is the best example he had the same SM for years and it never refined to the point without pigmentation making it perfect SM so this thread is pointless.

Funny how it was "refined" between 1 chapter without any indication of being "refined". I still find the topic funny though, congrats OP on making it to 8 pages.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Funny how it was "refined" between 1 chapter without any indication of being "refined". I still find the topic funny though, congrats OP on making it to 8 pages.

Funny it was refined? What on earth do you mean mind being a bit clearer? It's funny yea because people already mentioned in threads like this the reason Naruto doesn't display the TSB (They were destroyed and he isn't known to fact anymore) and the loss of the 9 markings on his back but haters continue making the Naruto lost RSM threads anyway.

 

[chaos control]

The OP's logic is terrible:

1. Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's rinnegan were not connected to the seals. The seals were for the purpose of rikudou chibaku tensei only as shown by the fact that they both used there respective powers in their final battle (when they no longer had the seals).

2. In "The Last" (which was confirmed to be canon by Kishi himself, so don't come to me with that "I don't consider it canon" crap, because if Kishi says it is canon then it is canon), Sasuke showed that he still had the rinnegan (which requires rikudou chakara) and Naruto used six paths flight in the battle against Toneri (which requires rikudou chakara). This proves that they didn't run out of rikudou chakara as you say that they did. Don't bring up that crappy explanation, "Nagato didn't have rikudou chakara, but he had Madara's rinnegan". The eye itself contains rikudou chakara. Also, six paths flight requires one to have rikudou chakara.

 

[Minator93]

I think the reason that Kurama said that was that you need someone to actually mold the chakra. With Kurama gone, and his chakra disappearing, there was no one to mold and control the chakra. As shown, Naruto was able to control the chakra he gave everyone. But with the chakra of kurama taken away and Naruto dying...there was noone to mold it and differentiate it. That chakra was most likely absorbed by everyone, or the little bit dissipated away.

And TBVH, there is no way to get enough sage chakra for SM in simple instants. Even though the time might get shorter, you need to stand still for SM, which Naruto didn't do neither in the last (which is canon), neither in his battle with Shin. And another fact is that the pigments were missing. Pigments, don't disappear, when the SM gets better. They are a sign of perfect SM. And Naruto lacked them....making me believe, it wasn't actually toad SM.

If what you say is correct then somehow Ashura and Indra have never died, I mean the real ones. That also makes likes of Minato, Tobirama overwhelmingly OP.

Why merely focus on pigments? why not the actual eye pattern? wouldn't lessening of pigments be a sign of more proficiency? Lesser the proficiency more are the frog features is what we know from the manga.

IF the last is Canon as you said before then that further confirms that Naruto only has BSM

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because why would he not use RSM on Toneri?

 

[Minator93]

The OP's logic is terrible:

1. Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's rinnegan were not connected to the seals. The seals were for the purpose of rikudou chibaku tensei only as shown by the fact that they both used there respective powers in their final battle (when they no longer had the seals).

2. In "The Last" (which was confirmed to be canon by Kishi himself, so don't come to me with that "I don't consider it canon" crap, because if Kishi says it is canon then it is canon), Sasuke showed that he still had the rinnegan (which requires rikudou chakara) and Naruto used six paths flight in the battle against Toneri (which requires rikudou chakara). This proves that they didn't run out of rikudou chakara as you say that they did. Don't bring up that crappy explanation, "Nagato didn't have rikudou chakara, but he had Madara's rinnegan". The eye itself contains rikudou chakara. Also, six paths flight requires one to have rikudou chakara.

That's BSM U_U

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[Sage konohamaru]

Hot thread, I just read it all, I mean all including all the post. Well, I disagree with the op. Naruto still have RSM

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I guess that further prove that Naruto the Last is more canon if Naruto did indeed lost his RSM

 

[V h o]

Funny it was refined? What on earth do you mean mind being a bit clearer? It's funny yea because people already mentioned in threads like this the reason Naruto doesn't display the TSB (They were destroyed and he isn't known to fact anymore) and the loss of the 9 markings on his back but haters continue making the Naruto lost RSM threads anyway.

If I'm not mistaken, they're saying TSM was refined to where it didn't have pigmentation, but a chapter earlier it still had pigmentation. So I find it funny that it was refined in 1 chapter and kishi didn't even note it.

 

[DHOH]

Finally a thread I agree with... But I have being saying this ever since the end of VOTE2