Manga Proof: Naruto has Lost his RSM!

[Lightbringer]

I misspoke.

They eventually lost the Rikudou Chakra which made a massive show in the VOTE. They still have their own[Indra, Ashura chakra] which still had/has scope to grow but that will be nowhere near the Rikudou's chakra they used against Kaguya or Juubi Jin Madara U)U

Well my point still stands. I don't believe they lost anything after VOTE, except their arms.

Kishi is probably just waiting for the right time to reveal Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's Susanoo (most likely at the final battle of Gaiden). He didn't reveal it yet just to keep it exciting.

How many forms did Naruto go through the war arc? It was all really just meant to keep the manga interesting.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

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[Minator93]

So you're back with a bang huh buddy?? You know its a bit awkward but since sasuke still has Rinnegan I would say Naruto still has his RSM. I bet kishi has something in store. Remember at the end of war when hagaromo made naruto's tummy a meeting place for all the bijuus, i bet that hasn't change either.

I think kishi will bring RSM out when Naruto faces the Leader of the New Akatsuki.

Glad to be back buddy

Sasuke wouldn't lose his Doujutsu but it's power [which would've been enhanced, had he still had the rikudou chakra] will be scaled down same with naruto he only lost the rikudou chakra [and the enhancement it brought to his bsm i.e. rsm] all the other things are there but not to the scale it used to be i.e. against Madara or Kaguya.

Well my point still stands. I don't believe they lost anything after VOTE, except their arms.
Kishi is probably just waiting for the right time to reveal Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's Susanoo (most likely at the final battle of Gaiden). He didn't reveal it yet just to keep it exciting.
How many forms did Naruto go through the war arc? It was all really just meant to keep the manga interesting.

There's no opponent which would need RSM anyway I mean RSM dealt with Juubi Jin madara and Kaguya for god's sake! Look it's only 5 chapters left anyways so we'll know in a months time for sure.

 

[Lightbringer]

There's no opponent which would need RSM anyway I mean RSM dealt with Juubi Jin madara and Kaguya for god's sake! Look it's only 5 chapters left anyways so we'll know in a months time for sure.

Well there are still going to be Naruto movies continuing the story of Gaiden. Besides, I've heard that Gaiden would be longer. (not sure if true).

My assumption is that the mysterious man either takes control or persuades Naruto/Sasuke to fight one another (such as taking the children hostage). Could explain why he's after Sarada.

The mysterious man also said to Shin that he wasn't prepared to fight Naruto "by himself". So I'm sure something big is going to happen since the man did seem confident on having a plan to fight Naruto.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Sigh, 9TSB is what every Juubi Jin gets by default [though v1 didn't have them right off the bat] but new one's i.e. other than the default 9 tsb can't be created, the shape of tsb can be manipulated.

reason why naruto went from 9 to 6 to 3 to 0

reason why madara lost 5 tsb permanently to yondaime or staff to might gai and never got it back.

Ok please give me the manga page/databook page where" onmyoudou" is even described as a technique

 

[SS100]

never tought that this thread would last this much time

 

[Xāvî1]

Glad to be back buddy

Sasuke wouldn't lose his Doujutsu but it's power [which would've been enhanced, had he still had the rikudou chakra] will be scaled down same with naruto he only lost the rikudou chakra [and the enhancement it brought to his bsm i.e. rsm] all the other things are there but not to the scale it used to be i.e. against Madara or Kaguya.

The thing is we call the final mode of naruto's senjutsu with godoudamas as rikudo senjutsu? Isn't it? if so then then i think that is still there. The thing is most people make mistakes with rikudo chakra and RSM, rikudo chakra were the seals on their dominant hands. That has been lost but not the rikudo senjutsu.

Remember hagoromo said he trusted both of them with powers. Sasukes power was his rinnegan with six tomoes and naruto's power was the ultimate form of senjutsu with godoudamas. Madara also did say they awakened that power.

Now why i say naruto hasn't lost it. {tho i have no proof currently} you can say this is a simple theory.

Obito, Kaguya gained their godou damas after they got control over the bijuus. Naruto on the other hand has already befriended all bijuus. Also hagaromo made sure that all bijuu chakra stays inside of naruto by making his tummy a meeting place for all of them. I would say the bijuus will never disobey hagoromo's will. Even kurama agreed in going back into naruto. But there is a small issue. To activate the RSM naruto i think needs to call forth all the bijuus chakras inside him (unlike kurama). One more thing i think the power of the other bijuu chakras inside naruto needs time to regenerate.

 

[Minator93]

Well there are still going to be Naruto movies continuing the story of Gaiden. Besides, I've heard that Gaiden would be longer. (not sure if true).

My assumption is that the mysterious man either takes control or persuades Naruto/Sasuke to fight one another (such as taking the children hostage). Could explain why he's after Sarada.

The mysterious man also said to Shin that he wasn't prepared to fight Naruto "by himself". So I'm sure something big is going to happen since the man did seem confident on having a plan to fight Naruto.

The main Shippuuden has ended. The Gaiden is of only 10 Chapters which stars Sarada and sets up the Boruto movie. Kishi even said this is the last work he's doing of Narutoverse.

Also if my assessment is correct i.e. loss of rikudou chakra in both Sasuke and Naruto, then those two are simply at slightly higher level than Hashi-Maddie which would make them battle-able to others [which is what happening] because rms Naruto used to do this,

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Ok please give me the manga page/databook page where" onmyoudou" is even described as a technique

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[Seventh Sama]

I thought that was bsm boasted by rikudou chakra.

 

[Minator93]

I thought that was bsm boasted by rikudou chakra.

And you were right. Now with loss of rikudou chakra it's just BSM.

 

[Sage konohamaru]

It's been a while since I last made a thread, since new Canon material has been created by Kishimoto I can again visit NB even if it's for a short while.

Okay as usual I'll directly get to the point, I've seen many people saying that Naruto has his RSM which stands for "Rikudou Sage Mode" the one he obtained from Hagoromo Ootsutsuki along with the Yang Seal.

Naruto and Sasuke both lost their seals and the abilities that came with those seals here,

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the catch was, they still had some remains of the Rikudou Chakra [Chakra they had received from Hagoromo Ootsutsuki]

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and that's why we saw,

1. Naruto fighting in RSM in the VOTE .

2. Sasuke's immense chakra levels during VOTE battle when in reality his EMS

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to produce a legged Susanoo few hours [or 2 days] earlier!

Eventually both of them lost or should I say ran out of Rikudou Chakra and reverted back to their normal [considerably less powerful selves]. Same happeded to Kakashi who was on Kaguya's level with Rikudou's Chakra but reverted back to his normal [less powerful self] as soon as it left him,

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As showed above the Rikudou Chakra [received temporarily from Juubi or Hagoromo] isn't permanent, it runs out eventually, same happened to Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto doesn't have the RSM or TSB anymore and Sasuke doesn't have his VOTE level chakra or say couldn't achieve the same feat of Indra's Arrow again!

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Now, here's Naruto's original RSM design

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He has:

1. 9 TSB.
2. Dark Pants [variation from single striped pants as opposed in Bijuu Mode or Bijuu Sage Mode].
3. Palms and Wrists doesn't have the usual BM/BSM design but has a dark design unique to RSM.

Next, look at this

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The back has unique Rikudou/Juubi Jin design of 9 Magatama and Sage's Circular Symbol on top of it.

Naruto sported this look throughout VOTE [

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] although with less number of TSBs [Losing 3 Against Madara and another 3 against Kaguya and Black Zetsu]

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Now, here's Naruto's original BSM design

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He has:

1. Single Striped Pants.
2. Back has no Magatama but a single Circular design.
3. No TSBs.
4. Wrists have the circular pattern and not all dark like RSM.

The above 4 points differentiate him from being in RSM and being in BSM

And finally we move on to Hokage Naruto,

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The Pattern is confirmed BSM and not RSM U_U

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Hope you guys enjoyed :flowers

It has been long indeed. Welcome back

 

[Six Paths]

Nice work, but how do you explain the lack of sage mode pigments in his eyes? They were missing only in Rikudou SM, and not in the BSM. And the way that he underwent the sage energy into seconds without firstly meditating seems a mystery to me as well.

 

[Minator93]

It has been long indeed. Welcome back

Haha thanks, it's good to be back

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Original BSM? Get some glasses the BSM he sported in Gaiden is without the regular pigmentation seen in BSM so this mean's he used traits of his RSM mode and fused it with BSM.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

The main Shippuuden has ended. The Gaiden is of only 10 Chapters which stars Sarada and sets up the Boruto movie. Kishi even said this is the last work he's doing of Narutoverse.

Also if my assessment is correct i.e. loss of rikudou chakra in both Sasuke and Naruto, then those two are simply at slightly higher level than Hashi-Maddie which would make them battle-able to others [which is what happening] because rms Naruto used to do this,

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Don't see the word onmyoudou.

Lolololoolololol

 

[Minator93]

Nice work, but how do you explain the lack of sage mode pigments in his eyes? They were missing only in Rikudou SM, and not in the BSM. And the way that he underwent the sage energy into seconds without firstly meditating seems a mystery to me as well.

Alrighty,

About Pigmentation around his eyes, well it's more refined version of the BSM. Read quote below,

Again, it's simply the "More Refined BSM"

At one point, this was Naruto's SM

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but it was refined to this,

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same with the eye marks in our case U_U

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About Instant BSM

Naruto's done this one before

Base Naruto

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And next instant, BSM Naruto

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[Michael]

Original BSM? Get some glasses the BSM he sported in Gaiden is without the regular pigmentation seen in BSM so this mean's he used traits of his RSM mode and fused it with BSM.

That guy is an obvious troll or simply retarted, I wouldn't get involved. Simply dislike and walk away XD

 

[Xāvî1]

Ok please give me the manga page/databook page where" onmyoudou" is even described as a technique

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There you go.

 

[Minator93]

Don't see the word onmyoudou.

Lolololoolololol

Lel this clown Lol

That guy is an obvious troll or simply retarted, I wouldn't get involved. Simply dislike and walk away XD

Never knew you were this rustled Lol

 

[Six Paths]

Alrighty,

About Pigmentation around his eyes,

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About Instant BSM

Naruto's done this one before

Base Naruto

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And next instant, BSM Naruto

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This is not true as it was not an instant SM. He did say that being in BM, allowed him to absorb Natural energy a lot faster, and the time he was dwelling in memories, slowly made the pigments appear and allowed him to gather more chakra.

While in the most recent battles and in the last...the sage transformation is quite frankly instantaneous with the BM transformation. This was a feat Naruto could not undergo without the Rikodou chakra. And we have previously learned from Naruto that even though chakra is finite, it doesn't fully run out, but becomes so small, it would not be noticeable...notice how his Kurama chakra never left any shinobi's? It just became smaller.

I theorize that it is indeed not RSM anymore...since the marks in his back are missing, but he still has the 9 bijuu, allowing him to create and gather faster natural energy, enhancing his SM.