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Well technically speaking, madara did make the whole world peaceful for a while.Yes It didn't last long, but he succeeded.
So Madara and Naruto are the only ones to accomplish their goals?
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it still saved kids from being involved in the wars. remember when it was clans, kids had to participate in the war too because there were not enough fighting men. his reason to create the village was fulfilled
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That's just your opinion. It's just like madara said."Who are you to take away that fake happiness form people?". And again technically the world was in peace so....
The word "Peace" itself means the freedom from or the cessation of war or violence. people make their own definitions for the word, And most of them are either based on morals or religion. And technically speaking Madara didn't only manage to do that, He also made all of the victims inside the IT happy.
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I bet they were very happy, living the lie they were in as they slowly turned into mindless zombies made to fight in an even greater war or something of that sort.
Besides the fact that he missed 6 people.
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That was kaguya's plan, We know that Madara only wanted peace unlike her. Besides sometimes it''s better if people don't realize things. I honestly don't think that IT would have made a permanent peace, seeing how loneliness would have probably taken its effects on madara, But with all honesty he did make peace for while.
It would be selfish to listen to those 6 and Ignore the billions of people who were happy inside their satisfying dreams. They wouldn't even make 0.000009 of the shinobi world population .Besides the fact that he missed 6 people.
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It can be assumed that IT passively transforms into Zetsus, rather than that being a product of Kaguya's will. So basically Madara's vision of peace would have killed everyone on Earth.
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Naruto won big time.
He married Hinata, became Hokage, AND he is now of nobility! He's like a bigshot aristocrat!
He married Hinata, became Hokage, AND he is now of nobility! He's like a bigshot aristocrat!
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Get rekekekekt. Hinata was with Naruto when she wasn't, gaara had a happy childhood, Kiba was hokage. They were happy. Eventually when they transformed, they wouldn't even realize what had happened and wouldn't be sad about it. They would be happy and goofy like zetsu after they "died" happy. Madara's vision of peace was forced, but it was achieved.
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How does that change the fact that he maintained peace for short period of time? As you know, the victims of IT won't turn into zetsu until their chakra is completely gone, that alone would take many years let alone the physical transformation. \
also your quotes won't appear on my notification thing for some reason, so bear with me if come late to reply.\
This is a good point too, necro. Most people in the world would be more than happy to die once they achieve their dreams and live happily all their loved ones, Death is natural.
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They aren't dieng happy, they are dieing trapped inside a genjutsu. Their dreams unfulfilled and their loved ones also trapped in genjutsu.
Besides the fact he missed 6 people which as we know led to even more fighting. So even in the respect that he acheived peace he failed, because he didn't the world wasn't peaceful he just led into another even larger scale battle.
Alongside the fact that IT was dispeled a very short time after it's start and that he died without the world ending or knowing "peace" its very clear that madara failed.
Honestly the only akatsuki that succeeded was itachi, and that was hindering the organization for the rest of his life. Every other villain failed, aside from Oro who is still unaccounted for but he still hasn't succeeded.
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Read Chapter 700, Naruto's goal of Peace was achieved if only for a few years. Madara's was as well though he was manipulated he wanted to Cast IT and put everyone in a dream state his own version of peace.
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The genjustu is what making them happy, we've witnessed that all of them had their dreams fulfilled.
No. The fight would've been way more destructive if the SA were conscious, 6 people missing means nothing, when you have billions of people who were in their prime happiness, and like I said most of the people including me would be satisfied as long as they achieve their dreams in the world aka be happy.
Madara did fail indeed, but he didn't fail at creating peace, rather he failed at maintaining it for entity.
Itachi did fail actually, he just turned his brother into a mass murder. Everyone can actually succeed in 1 mission but here, we're talking about one's own dream, which itachi couldn't do. For example, hidan and kakazu did succeed at capture the niibe, does that mean that they have accomplished their long waited personal dreams???No it clearly doesn't.
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The shinob world isn't billions large. The allied forces only had 80k lol. Even giving 5 for one shinobi to civvy ratio that is still only 400k people. so 6 people is actually a decent amount to miss. they are dreaming in the literal sense too, but not actually achieving anything. Hinata was sleeping while the IT was cast on her and dreaming about living with naruto. was that true? No.Her "dream" (dream = goal) is left unfulfilled as she is hopelessly trapped in a genjutsu telling her lies.
I agree that madara succeeded for a short amount of time. His "peace" was started but it is clear that he intended for this to be eternal which it wasn't. So short term he achieved his goal, but long term he clearly failed.
Itachi failed in many regards like almost every other person but he did succeed. His mission to infiltrate and hinder the akatsukis advances on konoha was a success as they could do nothing so long as he lived. It was only after his death that konoha was attacked. So while he did fail at saving sasuke among numerous other things, he was able to succeed in his mission of protecting the village.
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Manga facts. Your choice if you want to believe em or not but they are there.=D
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Madara's goal was only enabled because of Black Zetsu. He was the one that manipulated Kabuto into reviving Madara. Had it not been for Zetsu, he would not have even been revived since Obito wanted the plan for himself. As such, you need to get off Madara's lap and give credit to Naruto and Kaguya.
