First of personal jibes makes these arguments trivial which is not at all my intention and secondly as firmly as you believe manga = artwork only, I believe otherwise, I believe it is plot+art with plot being much more important.1. It's not a weak argument, it's not even an argument at all, it's plain truth. It's not something up for debate. You can not deny this. Sorry, but if you do not even understand that, you should not be involving yourself into conversations like these. Then I'm really going to laugh at the fact that you are considering that the reason some people don't like HxH is because of its supposed intellectual level, but then you are going to deny the absolute fact that manga are first and foremost a visual medium. You, and no doubt many others, might consider plot more important, but that does not change the inherent objective nature of the medium that is manga.
But here we can agree to disagree as it is highly personal and like music can't be forced upon.
I never said that people disliking it because of the art can't intellectually comprehend it as I myself am a strong opposer of using this statement and I never used it and will never use it.
You can laugh at me that's your desire but I firmly believe despite it being visual it's different from other visual mediums viz movies, anime or videogames which age manga are age less.
I'm here arguing leaving manga just because of art isn't prudent.
1.Why? Why do you assume my first two examples of Osamu Tezuka, Mizuki and Umezu are wrong. Why would I lie? Please do check my examples out, please do scrutinize my claims and ensure that I'm not giving the wrong facts to mislead. I would once again reiterate many of their works have artworks which to many are not upto mark but their status is legendary their manga still hold the test of time. Please do check the examples I gave.The first two examples you just used are probably not even correct ones. I'm not very well versed in the history of how manga were received, but art is, like everything, subjugated to trends and evolves. At modern day standards the series of those first two examples might be considered weak, but how do you know that was the case when they still aired decades ago? If you watch the original Star Wars, their special effects are horrible, but at the time they appeared they were considered the most amazing effects ever. It's very well possible that over 50 years they say of the series that are now considered to have the best art, that they suck. I can really imagine something like "lol, manga in black and white, we have them all in color". On top of that the amount of manga series was highly likely far more limited a few decades ago than it is now.
Now to compare manga (static art medium) with movies (moving art medium) is according to me wrong as visual moving arts age graphic effects get dated with advent of new technology, while static art never ages see Van gogh or Picasso for example there art never aged.
Similarly their manga haven't aged and are still in reprint.
Why is my statement rendered incorrect when I say "modern day authors"So unless you somehow are very well versed in how their artwork was received during their own time, I'm assuming you based your statements seen after modern day standards considering you said "modern day authors", which is incorrect. You invalidated your own statement then and there. Do not compare the art of modern day authors with that of decades ago. What you just did was comparing the original Star Wars effects with those of the modern Star Wars.
The art has evolved from the mid nineties to that of today, it's more aesthetically pleasing, eras have changed so I drew a line between modern day manga to that of the older one.
I'm sorry I don't like to agree that I can't compare two eras wrt to artwork and like I said art doesn't age.
And my argument holds solid that despite the older ones having art which is less aesthetically pleasing still hold strong.
And for arguments sake let us only take examples of newer mangaka and manga:-
1.Taiyo Matsumoto:- His Takemitsu Zamurai had the weirdest art style present but that didn't deter it from being a 10/10 Samurai manga and won him many many awards.
His Ping Pong (though much better than Zamurai and lots of parts of HxH) had a eccentric art style but it was made into an anime which was AOTy for many.
2.Daisuke Igarashi His Witches and Little forest manga have weak art compared to many but that doesn't stop them from being the two of the most comfiest manga.
3. Inio Asano: His Goodnight Punpun(has beautiful art) has weirdest character depiction but is a 10/10 tragedy which will leave you blank
4.Furuya Usamaru: Again same story but his manga like happiness and his other works are critically acclaimed.
5.One:- Probably the biggest. His manga One Punch man became so popular that Murata redraws it with his god tier art and now has an anime adoption. His other manga like Makai no Ossan or Mob Psycho are super popular.
and many many more like Angel Densetsu(my personal favourite) or Dorohedoro or OMK.
All of these mangaka have one thing in common despite having underwhelming art all have solid plots and are awesome.
You are confusing OPM Murata with OPM One.And about the third one, I only read his One-Punch man, but he has amazing artwork. He just seems to intentionally play around with how he wants to make things appear. I find it funny though how you then say his stories are of the highest order considering OPM doesn't have a story, that's really one huge gag on the entire hero-genre. Hilarious as hell, but in terms of plot? On top of that the main reason as why that series works is because of its art as he spends an enormous amount of time to make huge panels with nothing but art in them. Seriously if I would have to give one example of a series where "art" is predominant, it's that one. I can't say anything of his other series though.
I was referring to One's version not Murata's one which has God tier art and he purposefully draws Saitama Goofily.
One version has art worse than Togashi but plot is his and his panelling is awesome.(FYI One's version has 100 chap Murata is on 68th.)
Also recent chapters after the fight with Garou has ample character development and I agree with you plot is weak after all it's a gag manga.
Well like I said earlier you have your firm believes and I've mine we can agree to disagree. I also know amazing manga have both. But one should try good ones despite having art which is not good as sometimes there are some awesome gems out there which will be left.Fact is a fact. A manga is a visual medium. Yes plot is important, I'm also not interested in only reading series that have good art, but no story. It's always a balance between the two, but that does not take away the fact - and that's not an argument - that manga are a visual medium and that someone saying he doesn't like a series because of its artwork, is a very solid reason to not like it. That was my point. A good manga has both, but that does not take away that the art is what makes a manga a manga. It's the same principle of movies.
And I never said I disliked his art. I simply dislike the series. My point was simply that saying you don't like the series because of its art is a genuine reason because it's a manga, a visual medium. That's what makes it a manga.
Manga unlike movies are much resilient to ageing and can be enjoyed if plot is amazing.
In the end my whole discussion wasn't against someone leaving a manga because of weak artwork it is his or her right but on more on the point that artwork shouldn't be the sole judging factor as sometimes some of the great works are overlooked and it will be prudent to at least check them out.
For me personally HxH has been simply amazing despite having weaker artwork because of the sheer stress on plot+characters+lore. In no way I'm refuting someone's right to drop it or criticize it and it was never my intention to criticize someone leaving it but imploring them to check it out even if it's the anime.
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