You're hardly proving your point with a reasonable explanation here. Why are you purposely dodging the point of none of them knowing a thing about him despite him being a former admiral? If Garp's son was an admiral then everyone in the world would be aware of his existence and there is noway in hell for Chijao of all people to be unaware of this.
[Theory] Dragon is the most wanted man, and not just because he is the Revolutionary Leader
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The reality is that your opening statement already invalidates itself. Dragon is the leader of a world-wide organization that has as purpose to revolt against the World Government and they're succeeding in it too. He has under his command people that are Shichibukai level and potentially higher. Dragon is pretty much the equivalent of Akainu, he is the "fleet-admiral" of the revolutionary forces. That's what makes him the most dangerous man in the world as neither Blackbeard, the other Yonkou nor the Worst Generation has shown any interest in doing that. They will fight the Marines if they stand in their way, but intentionally trying to overthrow the WG is a different matter altogether.
So your reason to assume that there must be more is wrong as the thing that sets him apart from the Yonkou and the Worst Generation is because he is the head of the Revolutionary Army and what he does as head is something far more threatening then what the Worst Generation and the Yonkou are doing so far. All of them are also in the New World, the place where the might of the WG is the weakest, while the RA is everywhere.
So yeah your opening statement is plainly wrong. This is something that was also specifically stated in the series.
That Dragon was a marine is highly likely. I made a long time ago an analysis of his character in this section where I also wrote that it was more than likely he was a marine at some point. He however was no admiral. All that stuff about Chinese mythology sounds nice and all, but what you are saying is that one of the most famous persons in the world becomes one of the most infamous ones using his nickname from when he was famous, but no one realizes it. Admirals are known far and wide and they are better known with their nicknames than with their original names. So that Dragon would have been an admiral with the alias 'Dragon' is illogical. It was clearly stated no one had any idea of where he came from, so that he was an admiral is plainly impossible.
As said that Chinese mythology sounds nice and all, but Oda likes using animal themes. Crocodile, Mihawk, Kuma, Shiki, Moria...this is not something solely unique to the admirals. Also all the admirals have Japanese nicknames based on the combination of a color and an animal, not English ones with just the animal. Lastly you can be sure that Dragon is his real name. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to doubt that. Garp himself blurted it out without a care in the world who Dragon really was, but he would somehow found it necessary to use the nickname Dragon had as a supposed admiral? Even more so considering it's his own son? Garp is not the person to start calling his own son with a nickname. In fact I was always under the impression he never used the admiral nicknames and most of the time called them with their real names, though I'm not certain of that; I would have to read the entire series again to find that out. In One Piece you also do not have 4 oceans, you have 5. Yes Oda probably used Chinese mythology as an inspiration, but that doesn't mean he is copying it all completely.
The stuff about Smoker, saying 'on personal terms' is a bit too convenient. I personally never interpreted that scene as them both knowing each other personally as every marine knows how Dragon looks. In the very best of cases they would have known each other very superficially as if they were on real personal terms, Smoker really wouldn't be asking stuff like 'why are you doing this' or 'now I finally know why Dragon decided to save you in Loguetown'. I mean he didn't even know Dragon's full name.
The reality is that the mythology does not at all match up as much as you claim it to be. I don't get either why you are bringing that stuff of Aokiji up as he was talking about himself, not Dragon.
Robin was the sole survivor of Orahara, her island was decimated just because it tried to pursue knowledge that the WG had forbidden. For the RA that is a prime example of what they fight for. They clearly said that Robin was there 'Ray of Light' or something. As a symbol alone that counts. Dragon might have had ulterior motives, but that alone is already sufficient. I don't even get where you got that stuff from that Dragon would have talked to Roger. Dragon was present at the execution site yes, as shown in chapter Zero. It was however never shown he talked to Roger. I think you are confusing that with Garp, who did talk to Roger when he was in jail and where he asked Garp to take care of his son.
All that stuff about Ouranos and the weather doesn't even have any ground to stand on. There you are just writing everything in the way so that it suits you, but has nothing substantial to fall back on other than very obscure things that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways. It has not even remotely been proven that Dragon was responsible for the weather, still you are assuming that that is already a proven fact.
Momonosuke also ate the fruit accidentally when he was on Punk Hazard and disappeared right after it. DD shouldn't even know that Mome ate it. On top of that Vegapunk worked on pretty much everything in existence, something that was also stated by Franky and if the most brilliant man in the world said the fruit was a failure, it likely was. Not to mention that fruit was within the grasp of DD for years. If he wanted it so badly, he could have gotten it whenever he wanted. He isn't interested in Momo because of the fruit.
I am not even remotely convinced. Far too much holes, far too much subjective interpretations to make it all fit and more than one error. You are trying to mix things together that don't really have any particular connections by adding subjective interpretations of several things. Dragon might simply have eaten a weather devil fruit, which would in some way would make him a 'dragon who controls the weather'. It's very easy to toy around with stuff interpretations like that.
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I don't see how your point was even relevant to the post.
Dragon would've been known as Shiroryuu by the Marines. Not Dragon. All the Admirals are addressed as such as seen during the Marineford Arc and when Marines still called Kuzan 'Aokiji' on Punk Hazard. Hence, him being an ex Marine is still a secret to many.
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KingHashirama
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IMO, him being an admiral would be EH.
I would prefer him as the man who saw the corrupt injustice in the world decided to take action against it since youth << meaning he decided to deny being in the marines or anything with the WG. It would fit the character better.
Garp = marine
Luffy = pirate
Dragon = non-marine, non-pirate
^^ I prefer that over him being a marine and then switching to a revolutionary like Aokiji might.
I would prefer him as the man who saw the corrupt injustice in the world decided to take action against it since youth << meaning he decided to deny being in the marines or anything with the WG. It would fit the character better.
Garp = marine
Luffy = pirate
Dragon = non-marine, non-pirate
^^ I prefer that over him being a marine and then switching to a revolutionary like Aokiji might.
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Also, everyone reacts crazy at the Marineford war when Dragon was announced as Luffy's father as "Monkey D. Dragon", so the Monkey D. bit was a shock to everyone which if he was a marine and a powerful one, then they probably should have known about him... Although the WG could have covered it up like they do EVERYTHING else however with it not being to long ago and higher up in the war being shocked, I think it's a bit much to say he was in the marines.
This is a mixture of theories that are already out there but I LOVE how you've slapped em' all together nicely with pictures, very well put.
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Those are in equivalent comparisons. The Marines in G5 who are always on patrol and out of the loop not knowing Aoikiji left the marines after 2 years is not even close to the entire marine core forgetting about an admiral they had 20 years ago. An Admiral who would have been the legendary Garp's son no less. That's not a name or face you forget. Plus as I said before none of the other Admirals had their code name in their real name. You're making the facts fit the theory instead of the theory fitting the facts. Fact: No other Admiral's name was incorporated into their code. Shiroryuu will probably end up being the head of the Gorosei
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I doubt Dragon is Zoan.
Kaido is Strongest Creature in the World. Which should sugest that he is stroner Zoan user around. I doube Dragon could be weaker than Kaido.
Kaido is Strongest Creature in the World. Which should sugest that he is stroner Zoan user around. I doube Dragon could be weaker than Kaido.
Good theory and good references to back it up! I think the "knew smoker personally" inference is a bit of a stretch but I found the rest of it very convincing. I hope you're right.
It may also be worth noting that if true, Garp pressured Dragon, Ace, Luffy and Sabo (maybe anime only) into becoming marines and 2 of them became the leading members of the revolutionary army and another 2 became candidates in many peoples eyes for Pirate King...poor old Garp can't catch a break..
It may also be worth noting that if true, Garp pressured Dragon, Ace, Luffy and Sabo (maybe anime only) into becoming marines and 2 of them became the leading members of the revolutionary army and another 2 became candidates in many peoples eyes for Pirate King...poor old Garp can't catch a break..
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It makes complete sense ,If it isn't for you ignoring facts for the sake of making your theory look more believable. If Dragon was an admirals then Iva must knew that Shiroryuu the son of Garp was an admiral and he's currently one of closest individuals to Dragon in the series yet he doesn't know a thing about his family or his connection with Garp prior to his encounter with Luffy.
Another fallacy in your argument would be that you just blindly assumed that people doesn't know admirals real names with no real proof just because they call them by their nick names. Fujitora's underlings were shown to be calling his by his real name so it's hardly believable to assume that they doesn't know their real names. They tend to use their nice names more often than not, it doesn't necessarily means that they are unaware of what their real names are. There is no proof to even say that Dragon was called as Shiroryuu in the first place. You're simply making assumptions on top of assumptions to make your theory look more convenient to believe.
Chances of Dragon being a former admiral or any kind of famous figure are less than 0. If anything it's possible for him to be a very secret agent of WG but even then it's hardly believable. You don't necessarily have to be someone associated with Wg/ marines to be able to saw the flaws in Wg and it's policies.
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Don't you just love essays that are completely pointless and could be summarised in one sentence? I certainly do because it shows the extent of how far somebody will go to try and assert intellectual superiority which doesn't exist in this case.
You could've said, "it's all based on one specific type of interpretation", which is true. But that doesn't mean it's full of holes. All theories are the same. They are based on patterns and links that are inextricably connected to what we've already seen. In turn making a plausible theory such as this.
You dismiss all the mythology, which is laughable considering it fits PERFECTLY. Both in terms of Admirals and in terms of Devil Fruits. The Greek mythology too fits. I didn't think I'd have to explain it in detail, but apparently so because somebody is getting too big for their boots.
Pluto - God of Destruction and the Underworld, Pluton is an unmatched Battleship. Easy links can hence be established.
Poseidon - God of the Ocean and Earthquakes, Poseidon, being able to control Sea Kings also consolidates a very strong link that also cannot be refuted.
Based upon the last two observations, surely somebody as "intellectual" as you would notice a pattern. The names are relevant to the abilities of the Ancient Weapon. And Since Uranus is the God of the Sky and the Universe beyond, it's clear that something sky related will be Uranus. So it's not stupid to assume Weather Control is one of it's possible powers.
Kuzan is relevant because he's a very similar case to Dragon. Which only supports and further accentuated my case.
Now I'll spare you some time so that you don't have to read an entire essay. Basically, you've tried to convince yourself it's not true simply because you don't like the outcome of the theory. Have a nice day.
So your logic = because people didn't know his full name (except the higher ups in the marines like Sengoku, Sakazuki, Garp etc, who are the only characters to ever address an Admiral by their real name) the whole theory is wrong. Round of applause.
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Its a wel put theory that i will give but some of the things in support of it r kimda of force fit and intepreted your way tp suppport this theory.
The first thing is really your reason for this probe, Dragon is verily more dangerous just for his goals which unlike the Yonko do go directly in opppsing the WG and exposijg them as Villains instead of the Holy Saints that watch over the world. Yonko=that guy with money but no real interest in your girlfriend, they dance with just anyone they like, now Dragon= the guy singing under your gf's window proclaiming some undying loyalty and a blissful romance to her, now tell me who do you wanna punch more/you r most wary of?
Them also Admirals are quite famous that eben if they didnt know his real name some block would at least remember the face of retired admiral Shiro unless the marines had a complete over haul of its register after the defection, Also momo's legend is quite the big thing to go disproving with a limbing theory as this.
You could be right though still so great effort mate.
The first thing is really your reason for this probe, Dragon is verily more dangerous just for his goals which unlike the Yonko do go directly in opppsing the WG and exposijg them as Villains instead of the Holy Saints that watch over the world. Yonko=that guy with money but no real interest in your girlfriend, they dance with just anyone they like, now Dragon= the guy singing under your gf's window proclaiming some undying loyalty and a blissful romance to her, now tell me who do you wanna punch more/you r most wary of?
Them also Admirals are quite famous that eben if they didnt know his real name some block would at least remember the face of retired admiral Shiro unless the marines had a complete over haul of its register after the defection, Also momo's legend is quite the big thing to go disproving with a limbing theory as this.
You could be right though still so great effort mate.
If you pay some attention, marine fodders have been addressing Fujitora as Issho-san which would totally render your point of only high ranked officers being aware of their real names useless. It's not like Dragon can be directly recruited as marine admiral like Fujitora without slowly climbing up the ladder from lower ranks so those who worked along with him must know what his real name is. Again you're yet to explain why one of closest members of Rev's wasn't aware of his connection with Garp until it was directly mentioned by Luffy.
Smoker was just a kid at the time of Roger's execution but he's well aware of how Dragon looks like so it's hardly believable to think other marine members don't know how he looks like. Dragon is simply a man whose origins are clearly unknown for almost every individual in OP except for a few selected people that are very close to Dragon.
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