Are you tired of Uchihas?

Are you tired of Uchihas?

  • yes

    Votes: 51 50.0%
  • no

    Votes: 44 43.1%
  • neutral

    Votes: 7 6.9%

  • Total voters
    102
  • Poll closed .

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A theme is the author's point they are trying to convey, plot is just the events to show that conveyed idea(s). The two can be obviously separated.

A Theme is not a POV. It may carry a pov, but it isn't necessarily one itself. Like I said, you cannot separate them as the theme is like a building block of everything in the plot. Even singular sentences carry minor or major themes. You are talking about an entire plot here.

Bro all this War and Bloodshed started waay before Tobirama become the hokage, have you ever read any warring state era in regards to how both Madara and Hashirama are forced to kill each other, or the time when Kaguya ate the fruit to stop the war?? You make it as seem this is the first time it all started. You're such an idiot for thinking as such.

Tobirama did the right choice by setting up this whole dictatorial system because you can't expect anyone to be authorize the village when they don't really qualify to be the leader. How can you expect anyone to become Hokage when they can't even maintain and protect the village properly. When tobirama became the Hokage, he was Able to Overcome the initial clan individualism and unite all these clans men/woman as one united front. Tobirama created the stability in the first place while other new Gen Hokage must maintain it.

Tobirama even establish the Uchiha clan as a Prominent Clan within Konoha itself. Despite everything Tobirama has done, the Uchiha are still overly Obsessed with being part of the Village and following Madara prospect by doing the whole coup de tat which is considerably a huge threat to the Leaf village which is why he placed them under surveillance. Kagami Uchiha admired and respected Tobirama as a Hokage because he understood what's he's doing that the Uchiha clan need to be in this possession in order to maintain the balance for the village.

Tobirama worked behind the scenes to achieve political stability and implement the institutions that made the village work, thus ensuring Konoha's prosperity.

Even Itachi despite not agreeing Danzo way, he made his choice regardless to wipe out all Uchiha because they are too Butthurt about domination. Uchiha would never been Wiped out if not for the fact that Danzo stole Shiushi eyes.

Again, you made another misconception with your statement, Tobirama is not the only person to break peace treaty, you asserting too much without any prove as to who started this war. The war repeat itself after the death of Tobirama, yet even worse. In fact it was mostly Danzo and Black Zetsu who lead the cause of this whole war.

In the Chuunin Exam, Konoha Policies are not to kill each other in order to gradutate, Mist Village are different when Zabuza stated.When Orochimaru attacked Sasuke during the forest of death, Anko and her squad went in to rescue of course she couldn't stopped him, but however Third Hokage could not postpone the Exam because that will fall the hand of the enemy.

However if what you said are the case, then even then, the student are willing to take the risk and aware of the rules which is their problems. Shinobi are meant to take this procedure. But this is as " IF" what you said to be true. Here's another If. Even when the Chuunin exam political are corruptted, then why the Third Hokage and the rest of the Hokage still allow such concept and why the clans allow the consent for their children to become shinobi in the first place??

This further prove that Tobirama is remained the most realistic about his ideal and he thinks what's best for his village.

Again this is IF.

Moving on. The difference when He became the Hokage, he reduced the amount of wars, casualty and bloodshed. Tobirama is the best hokage and you know that, but the Uchiha are just too obsessed with powers, how their lost love ones became the strong hate. Tobirama once again label these facts on the table and you call Tobirama butthurt, MY ASS!

That has nothing to do with what I said. Nice ironic insult. Next.

Your opinion, which is quite reaching given the long-standing corruption within these systems.

The treaty already carried the clauses for equal treatment. He had no political, moral, or ethical footing to take political matters into his own hand, period. Kagame Uchiha doesn't make the whole Uchiha Clan.

He did? Can I see some scans for his 'working behind the scenes' hard work? Oh wait, he did. Spying on a localized clan, making sure they never find their way in politics - a prerogative that never belonged to him - increasing the rift between its people and the government, making sure the arbitrary rule had strong roots etc etc? That hard work and prosperity where children from ninja families had such uncertain futures because of his own system of chunin exams.

So that makes it right? Hey, others broke it as well, so what if he did that? Your wonky example is wrong, given that this is an internal political matter. Meaning, he committed treason.

Really? Go back and reread the chapters. That is how Chunin systems operate. Children can kill other children and they are allowed to get away with it, as it is one of the clauses of the system. What do you think happened during Lee and Gaara match? Like I said, all Kage ruled villages copied his systems; Mist and others are no different.

Konoha and other villages ran on his systems, but he isn't responsible? Why? Every one had their own share of mistakes to bear. But this rascal is clearly the worst offender.

Really? How many wars occurred after or during his reign because of the rift he created through bartering Bijuus and introducing volatile political systems? I rest my case.

Clearly not. Uchihas are the most interesting characters in the whole series. Their character development stems from heroic greek tragedies Aristoteles, Perseus and Odyssey. They are the epitome of good writing. Minato, Naruto and Kakashi are the worst written characters. I know this because I have a major in Englsh and Literature.

If you disagree-- you're not smart like I am.

At least get the spelling right. This guy never wrote tragedies and Perseus is a separate character, probably from Ovid's Metamorphoses, which is a poem, not even a tragedy.

At least get the things right. I am surprised, given your intellectual capacity, that you can even spell English. Oh wait ... Lol Whoever you are, you are not very bright.
 
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I'm laughing at all those trying to convince why we shouldn't be tired. This a subjective poll so nobody's right/ wrong. Just accept that 50% of the base are tired of the Uchihas.

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there is no naruto without uchiha.they are the best and most badass in this story .so no. but im tired the way kishi using uchiha's.
 

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Yes. The Uchiha wank needs to end. Commit them all to a mental hospital, so they can get the help they need.

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A Theme is not a POV. It may carry a pov, but it isn't necessarily one itself. Like I said, you cannot separate them as the theme is like a building block of everything in the plot. Even singular sentences carry minor or major themes. You are talking about an entire plot here.

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Theme is defined as a main idea or an underlying meaning of a literary work that may be stated directly or indirectly.


If you can differentiate between the events of the story and the main idea, you can separate the two terms.

Even after all this you can't prove that the Uchiha are a theme. The correlation between plot and theme doesn't prove the actors are themes either.
 
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A :
Theme is defined as a main idea or an underlying meaning of a literary work that may be stated directly or indirectly.


If you can differentiate between the events of the story and the main idea, you can separate the two terms.

Even after all this you can't prove that the Uchiha are a theme. The correlation between plot and theme doesn't prove the actors are themes either.

This is my last reply to you, because if you believe Theme is separate from plot, then this is a fruitless discussion. These are definitions from Literary Dictionary and covers some topics that discusses Theme - I am not even going to correct the font, alignment etc:

archetype [ar-ki-typ], a *SYMBOL, theme, setting, or character-type that
recurs in different times and places in *MYTH, *LITERATURE, *FOLKLORE,
dreams, and rituals so frequently or prominently as to suggest (to certain
speculative psychologists and critics) that it embodies some essential
element of 'universal' human experience. Examples offered by the
advocates of *MYTH CRITICISM include such recurrent symbols as the
rose, the serpent, and the sun; common themes like love, death, and
conflict; mythical settings like the paradisal garden; * STOCK CHARACTERS
like the femme fatale, the hero, and the magician; and some basic patterns
of action and plot such as the quest, the descent to the underworld, or the
feud. The most fundamental of these patterns is often said to be that of
death and rebirth, reflecting the natural cycle of the seasons: the
Canadian critic Northrop Frye put forward an influential model of
literature based on this proposition in Anatomy of Criticism (1957).

burden, the *REFRAIN or chorus of a song; or the main theme of a song,
poem, or other literary work.
A burden is sometimes distinguished from
a refrain in that it starts the song or poem, and stands separate from the
*STANZAS (as in many medieval *CAROLS), whereas a refrain usually
appears as the final part of each stanza.

didactic [dy-dak-tik], instructive; designed to impart information,
advice, or some doctrine of morality or philosophy. Much of the most
ancient surviving literature is didactic, containing genealogies,
proverbial wisdom, and religious instruction. Most European literary
works of the Middle Ages have a strong didactic element, usually
expounding doctrines of the Church. Practical advice has often been
presented in verse, as in the Georgics (37-30 BCE) of Virgil, which give
advice on farming, and in the imitative *GEORGICS of the 18th century.
Since the ascendancy of *ROMANTICISM and *AESTHETICISM in the 19th
century, didactic writing has been viewed unfavourably as foreign to
true art, so that the term didacticism refers (usually pejoratively) to the
use of literary means to a doctrinal end. Some imaginative works still
contain practical information, however: B. S. Johnson's novel Christie
Malry's Own Double Entry (1973) contains precise instructions for the
manufacture of petrol bombs. The boundaries of didactic literature are
open to dispute, since both the presence and the prominence of
doctrinal content are subject to differing interpretations. In the broadest
sense, most * ALLEGORIES and * SATIRES implying a moral or political view
may be regarded as didactic, along with many other kinds of work in
which the *THEME embodies some philosophical or other belief of the
author. A stricter definition would confine the term to those works that
explicitly tell readers what they should do. See also propagandism.

intrigue, an older term for the *PLOT of a play or story, or for its most
complicated portion. In another sense closer to modern usage, the term
may also refer to the secret scheme ('plot' in the other sense, as
conspiracy) that one character or group of characters devises in order to
outwit others. Much European comedy of the 17th century is based on
complex plots about plotters, and is sometimes called the comedy of
intrigue, especially where intricacy of plot overshadows the
development of character or of satiric theme.

leitmotif [lyt-moh-teef] or leitmotiv, a frequently repeated phrase,
image, *SYMBOL, or situation in a literary work, the recurrence of which
usually indicates or supports a *THEME. The term (German, 'leading
motif) comes from music criticism, where it was first used to describe the repeated musical themes or phrases that Wagner linked with particular characters and ideas in his operatic works.

motif [moh-teef ], a situation, incident, idea, image, or character-type
that is found in many different literary works, folktales, or myths; or any
element of a work that is elaborated into a more general *THEME.
The
fever that purges away a character's false identity is a recurrent motif in
Victorian fiction; and in European *LYRIC poetry the *UBI SUNT motif and
the *CARPE DIEM motif are commonly found. Where an image, incident,
or other element is repeated significantly within a single work, it is more
commonly referred to as a *LEITMOTIF. See also archetype, stock character,
topos.

novel, nearly always an extended fictional prose * NARRATIVE, although
some novels are very short, some are non-fictional, some have been
written in verse, and some do not even tell a story. Such exceptions help
to indicate that the novel as a literary *GENRE is itself exceptional: it
disregards the constraints that govern other literary forms, and
acknowledges no obligatory structure, style, or subject-matter. Thriving
on this openness and flexibility, the novel has become the most
important literary genre of the modern age, superseding the *EPIC, the
* ROMANCE, and other narrative forms. Novels can be distinguished from
*SHORT STORIES and *NOVELLAS by their greater length, which permits
fuller, subtler development of characters and themes. (Confusingly, it is
a shorter form of tale, the Italian novella, that gives the novel its name in
English.)

The novel has
frequently incorporated the structures and languages of non-fictional
prose forms (history, autobiography, journalism, travel writing), even to
the point where the non-fictional element outweighs the fictional. It is
normally expected of a novel that it should have at least one character,
and preferably several characters shown in processes of change and
social relationship; a *PLOT, or some arrangement of narrated events, is
another normal requirement.
Special *SUBGENRES of the novel have
grown up around particular kinds of character (the *K"UNSTLERROMAN, the
spynovel), setting(the *HISTORICAL NOVEL, the *CAMPUS NOVEL), and plot
(the detective novel); while other kinds of novel are distinguished either
by their structure (the *EPISTOLARY NOVEL, the *PICARESQUE NOVEL) or
by special emphases on character (the *BILDUNGSROMAN) or ideas (the
* ROMAN A THESE).

text, the actual wording of a written work, as distinct from a reader's (or
theatrical director's) interpretation of its *STORY, *THEME, *SUBTEXT etc.;
or a specific work chosen as the object of analysis. Adjective: textual.


I have left out countless other definitions, but these should do.

Even characters and texts are themes. I am out of this discussion now.
 

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This series was a great chance to set up a new villain that's not an Uchiha or Oro.

Anyways I am tired of Uchihas.
 

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The Uchiha are feared and powerful.. They have to be the enemy cause no one else is worthy.
 

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This is my last reply to you, because if you believe Theme is separate from plot, then this is a fruitless discussion. These are definitions from Literary Dictionary and covers some topics that discusses Theme - I am not even going to correct the font, alignment etc:

archetype [ar-ki-typ], a *SYMBOL, theme, setting, or character-type that
recurs in different times and places in *MYTH, *LITERATURE, *FOLKLORE,
dreams, and rituals so frequently or prominently as to suggest (to certain
speculative psychologists and critics) that it embodies some essential
element of 'universal' human experience. Examples offered by the
advocates of *MYTH CRITICISM include such recurrent symbols as the
rose, the serpent, and the sun; common themes like love, death, and
conflict; mythical settings like the paradisal garden; * STOCK CHARACTERS
like the femme fatale, the hero, and the magician; and some basic patterns
of action and plot such as the quest, the descent to the underworld, or the
feud. The most fundamental of these patterns is often said to be that of
death and rebirth, reflecting the natural cycle of the seasons: the
Canadian critic Northrop Frye put forward an influential model of
literature based on this proposition in Anatomy of Criticism (1957).

burden, the *REFRAIN or chorus of a song; or the main theme of a song,
poem, or other literary work.
A burden is sometimes distinguished from
a refrain in that it starts the song or poem, and stands separate from the
*STANZAS (as in many medieval *CAROLS), whereas a refrain usually
appears as the final part of each stanza.

didactic [dy-dak-tik], instructive; designed to impart information,
advice, or some doctrine of morality or philosophy. Much of the most
ancient surviving literature is didactic, containing genealogies,
proverbial wisdom, and religious instruction. Most European literary
works of the Middle Ages have a strong didactic element, usually
expounding doctrines of the Church. Practical advice has often been
presented in verse, as in the Georgics (37-30 BCE) of Virgil, which give
advice on farming, and in the imitative *GEORGICS of the 18th century.
Since the ascendancy of *ROMANTICISM and *AESTHETICISM in the 19th
century, didactic writing has been viewed unfavourably as foreign to
true art, so that the term didacticism refers (usually pejoratively) to the
use of literary means to a doctrinal end. Some imaginative works still
contain practical information, however: B. S. Johnson's novel Christie
Malry's Own Double Entry (1973) contains precise instructions for the
manufacture of petrol bombs. The boundaries of didactic literature are
open to dispute, since both the presence and the prominence of
doctrinal content are subject to differing interpretations. In the broadest
sense, most * ALLEGORIES and * SATIRES implying a moral or political view
may be regarded as didactic, along with many other kinds of work in
which the *THEME embodies some philosophical or other belief of the
author.
A stricter definition would confine the term to those works that
explicitly tell readers what they should do. See also propagandism.

intrigue, an older term for the *PLOT of a play or story, or for its most
complicated portion. In another sense closer to modern usage, the term
may also refer to the secret scheme ('plot' in the other sense, as
conspiracy) that one character or group of characters devises in order to
outwit others. Much European comedy of the 17th century is based on
complex plots about plotters, and is sometimes called the comedy of
intrigue, especially where intricacy of plot overshadows the
development of character or of satiric theme.

leitmotif [lyt-moh-teef] or leitmotiv, a frequently repeated phrase,
image, *SYMBOL, or situation in a literary work, the recurrence of which
usually indicates or supports a *THEME. The term (German, 'leading
motif) comes from music criticism, where it was first used to describe the repeated musical themes or phrases that Wagner linked with particular characters and ideas in his operatic works.

motif [moh-teef ], a situation, incident, idea, image, or character-type
that is found in many different literary works, folktales, or myths; or any
element of a work that is elaborated into a more general *THEME.
The
fever that purges away a character's false identity is a recurrent motif in
Victorian fiction; and in European *LYRIC poetry the *UBI SUNT motif and
the *CARPE DIEM motif are commonly found. Where an image, incident,
or other element is repeated significantly within a single work, it is more
commonly referred to as a *LEITMOTIF. See also archetype, stock character,
topos.

novel, nearly always an extended fictional prose * NARRATIVE, although
some novels are very short, some are non-fictional, some have been
written in verse, and some do not even tell a story. Such exceptions help
to indicate that the novel as a literary *GENRE is itself exceptional: it
disregards the constraints that govern other literary forms, and
acknowledges no obligatory structure, style, or subject-matter. Thriving
on this openness and flexibility, the novel has become the most
important literary genre of the modern age, superseding the *EPIC, the
* ROMANCE, and other narrative forms. Novels can be distinguished from
*SHORT STORIES and *NOVELLAS by their greater length, which permits
fuller, subtler development of characters and themes. (Confusingly, it is
a shorter form of tale, the Italian novella, that gives the novel its name in
English.)

The novel has
frequently incorporated the structures and languages of non-fictional
prose forms (history, autobiography, journalism, travel writing), even to
the point where the non-fictional element outweighs the fictional. It is
normally expected of a novel that it should have at least one character,
and preferably several characters shown in processes of change and
social relationship; a *PLOT, or some arrangement of narrated events, is
another normal requirement.
Special *SUBGENRES of the novel have
grown up around particular kinds of character (the *K"UNSTLERROMAN, the
spynovel), setting(the *HISTORICAL NOVEL, the *CAMPUS NOVEL), and plot
(the detective novel); while other kinds of novel are distinguished either
by their structure (the *EPISTOLARY NOVEL, the *PICARESQUE NOVEL) or
by special emphases on character (the *BILDUNGSROMAN) or ideas (the
* ROMAN A THESE).

text, the actual wording of a written work, as distinct from a reader's (or
theatrical director's) interpretation of its *STORY, *THEME, *SUBTEXT etc.;
or a specific work chosen as the object of analysis. Adjective: textual.


I have left out countless other definitions, but these should do.

Even characters and texts are themes. I am out of this discussion now.

You listed a plethora of off topic term definitions for what?

Only 1 of those terms even hinted (refer to the red) at a definition of theme, while the others were completely off topic yet again.

Even using said hinted definition, it would agree with my definition which works in all literature still.

In no form of literature will you ever find a character as the theme, they may "embody" the theme but they are not the "philosophical or other belief of the
author".

After all this, I have still not got proof of your ridiculous claim that the Uchiha are themes, but just a plethora of irrelevant sidebar.
 
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