Juubito vs DMS Kakashi

[Eng nawashi]

Lol, what a bitch. I'm not a man cause I won't bend over and take Kakashi's D in the ass like you have? Ironic and ridiculous. When you can show me how Sakura's case is different, then we can talk.

you think insulting me would strengthen your argument ??,i wont insult you back cause my argument is already strong Lol

No, it's not. Kaguya staring at him doesn't change the fact that she noticed them both, and didn't do anything.

except kaguya wasnt paying attention or staring at sakura before sakura started charging her unlike kakashi's case ,also there is no single scan shows kaguya noticing kakashi in the mid of his shunshin unlike sakura's case ,the last thing the manga showed kaguya noticing is kakashi phasing through her bone ,then there was a panel of kakashi pushing the susano to use shunshin ,the next panel kakashi was already behind kaguya and she was with a cut arm .and again kaguya wasnt evading anyone when kakashi hit her ,it was nearly 1 vs 1 scenario ,while in sakura's case ,kaguya was evading the only two alive people who can seal her .
if kaguya couldnt evade saukra because of the reasons i said ,then can you explain why didnt kaguya evade sakura?

She didn't do anything, so there was nothing to react to. Lol.

kaguya was charging kakashi offensively, kakashi reacted to her offensive charging .

Kakashi turned his head back only to find Madara there. Not a reaction feat. Him happening to turn around isn't a reaction feat. Him noticing Madara comes after he actually sees him behind him.

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there is nothing called it just happened or it was by chance,kakashi turned his head not because he was suddenly inspired to do so the instant madara attacked him but because :

1.he felt madara
2.his mental and physical reactions was good enough to turn his head in the time flying jj madara took to close the distance

kakashi felt madara coming from blind side ,turned his head,saw madara,stared his eyes and got surprised but by the kid logic if madara had been coming from non blind side ,kakashi wouldnt have been able to do the same mental and physical reactions he did when madara was coming from blind side ,great logic bro ,you are smart as the rumors say Lol.

you didnt comment on my reply to the battle scenario shit ? you didnt comment on the two scans i posted in my reply to sasuke reacting as fast as kcm minato? is it that hard to say i agree ?

but of course, idiotic Kakashi fapkids like you will try to tell me that Kakashi can react to JJ Madara despite faster people being blitzed by slower people

faster people is a big word ,judging the speed and reactions superiority is something that can be only by manga statments and feats not your openion ,if kakashi reacted to flying jj madara(he did) while those people couldnt react to slower attacks ,that makes kakashi's reactions superior ,as simple as that .

. Despite his tracking and reactions being inferior to Sasuke's. Lmfao. GTFO kid. You sound like a dumbass. Not going to entertain the notion that Kakashi is fast enough to react to Juubi Jins.

God ,sasuke reactions being better than kakashi is something that was never stated in the manga ,that is why we are arguing here in the firs place, to judge their feats ,but by somehow you are using your opinion as an evidence to disprove kakashi's manga feats ,your are great debater as the rumors say.lol .that is the definition of the biased one who enters an argument with unchangeable opinion and Agenda ,you put your opinion over manga feats ,you use your opinion as way to disprove kakashi's feats .

by the way ,kakashi isnt the only non rikudo character who reacted to Jiubi Jins .

Don't give a shit about the Gudo Dama. He Shunshin'd from his starting position to where Naruto was before Minato could use Hiraishin.

there was no mark on naruto ,so minato was most likely going to jump on obito ,but since there was no mark anymore ,even if minato had been given an hour ,he wouldnt have teleported ,that is why he didnt teleport in time ,he just realised the mark vanishing the second time when obito was going to erase naruto and sasuke's heads with gudomat .unless if you think kcm minato cant activate his ftg faster than gudoma extension whereas base minato was doing so faster than v2 Ay .

 

[Icelerate]

She didnt see Sakura as a threat, she ignored her and did not realize a punch from her would have enough power to hold her down.

I agree. I think the same holds true against Kakashi.

Against Kakashi she saw him as a threat as she had attacked him with ash bones beforehand but then could not react to his next attack.

Proof of the bold? She already reacted to Sasuke in a slower form. No reason to believe Kaguya can't react to Kakashi. Kaguya attacked Kakashi because Kakashi was the one to attack her first. No proof she viewed him as a serious threat especially when her statement implies she didn't view Kakashi as a threat (

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Difference is Sakura was thought to be no threat to her so she was ignored. Kakashi however was not ignored, she already attacked him once but then she let him strike through her? Its obvious she could not stop him.

So going by your logic, with just a small amount of Rikudo chakra, Kakashi can blitz anyone in this manga? She didn't know about kamui Raikiri and has opted to not dodge amaterasu among other attacks due to her durability and ability to absorb attacks.

Kaguya was moving high speed right to sakura's punch. She had less time to react obviously. Keep igoring that fact all the time you want lol.

So Sakura is now tiers above the likes of Minato, 7th gate Gai and V2 Ay in speed considering Sakura was able to physically leap off from Kakashi's PS reel in her arm and strike Kaguya as Kaguya moved at a high speed? Kaguya had less time to react than she did against Kakashi but that doesn't change the fact that Sakura would have to have Rikudo level speed for Kaguya not to be able to react to Sakura even while distracted and in motion. Obviously Kaguya wasn't blitzed and instead opted to tank Sakura's punch because she had no knowledge that it would be powerful enough to knock Kaguya down.

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Kaguya did notice sakura, but it was too late, kaguya's own speed closed sakura's atack.

Sakura's hit wasn't the same as kakashi's.

So now Sakura's striking speed and reactions are so fast that Kaguya's own speed isn't enough to bypass Sakura before Sakura can complete a punch? Is Sakura above top tier non Rikudo level speedsters?

I know Kakashi's hit was a more impressive feat compared to Sakura's but in both instances, I smell an inconsistency.

 

[Raykyryn]

The Sasuke fapforce reaches new highs as never before. Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Chidori and Kaguya chose to dodge it instead of trying to absorb or tank it. Kakashi attacked Kaguya practically with the same jutsu (Raikiri) but this fapforce movement claims that this time she tried to either absorb or tank it even tho it completely contradicts to her previous behaviour at a same situation. Such a clowns :lol

 

[Draphsin]

The Sasuke fapforce reaches new highs as never before.

:lol Says the guy who seems to have a hard time getting kakashi's genitals out of his mouth.

Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Chidori and Kaguya chose to dodge it instead of trying to absorb or tank it. Kakashi attacked Kaguya practically with the same jutsu (Raikiri)

What applies for sasuke doesn't also apply for kakashi, to believe so is fallacious. Just because sasuke got her to dodge doesn't mean that everyone who uses a similar jutsu will also get her to dodge.

But this fapforce movement claims that this time she tried to either absorb or tank it even tho it completely contradicts to her previous behaviour at a same situation.

You're a moron, & the bold proves it. She's tanked much stronger attacks & so you have no argument as nothing she did contradicted the manga. It's irrelevant if the jutsus have a similar look to them, still doesn't mean that kaguya dodging sasuke's attack means she'll automatically dodge kakashi's or anyone else who uses something similar.

Such a clowns :lol

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[Raykyryn]

:lol Says the guy who seems to have a hard time getting kakashi's genitals out of his mouth.



What applies for sasuke doesn't also apply for kakashi, to believe so is fallacious. Just because sasuke got her to dodge doesn't mean that everyone who uses a similar jutsu will also get her to dodge.



You're a moron, & the bold proves it. She's tanked much stronger attacks & so you have no argument as nothing she did contradicted the manga. It's irrelevant if the jutsus have a similar look to them, still doesn't mean that kaguya dodging sasuke's attack means she'll automatically dodge kakashi's or anyone else who uses something similar.

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I suppose Kaguya with her byakugan and sensing skills can determine how much powerful is a jutsu and can decide if it worths evading, at least better than you :lol Because of this fact, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
Try again.. or not.

 

[Xlad]

Dumb apes.

 

[Draphsin]

I suppose Kaguya with her byakugan and sensing skills can determine how much powerful is a jutsu and can decide if it worths evading, at least better than you :lol Because of this fact, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
Try again.. or not.

Dafuq is this..? Still doesn't prove your point in any way. :lol Are all kakashi faptards this stupid?

 

[Raykyryn]

Dafuq is this..? Still doesn't prove your point in any way. :lol Are all kakashi faptards this stupid?

You disappoint me everytime with your intelligence level. Kaguya being able to detect how powerful a jutsu is means she was well aware that Kakashis raikiri would hurt her thus your argument that she tried to tank it is invalid and unlogical. Seriously, i feel like im in kindergarden when arguing with you :lol

 

[RedRobin]

I agree. I think the same holds true against Kakashi.

Obviously not as she paid attention to him and shot ash bones at him. She definitely did not ignore him but then just let him rip through her? I dont think so.

Proof of the bold? She already reacted to Sasuke in a slower form. No reason to believe Kaguya can't react to Kakashi. Kaguya attacked Kakashi because Kakashi was the one to attack her first. No proof she viewed him as a serious threat especially when her statement implies she didn't view Kakashi as a threat (

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So going by your logic, with just a small amount of Rikudo chakra, Kakashi can blitz anyone in this manga? She didn't know about kamui Raikiri and has opted to not dodge amaterasu among other attacks due to her durability and ability to absorb attacks.

Same thing with

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she didnt know about his chidori attack either but still moved. Naruto was not there either so there was no reason she would be scared of being sealed

The only point you guys have ever brought up was it not logical for Kakashi to have bltized Kaguya but there is no logic here.

• Spirit Obito came back from the dead as a ghost and gave his chakra to Kakashi. There is no logic here so that argument is not valid, I dont care what is logical.
• Kishimoto does not see the manga we do. He doesnt look at everything in feats like we do, he made Kakashi useful and had him do a lot damage to Kaguya. He doesnt see it as Kakashi being faster than Sasuke but again we view these fights differently, by feats.

Whether you guys like the feat or not, it happened and we not going to ignore it because Sasuke needs to be faster.

But again big LOL that you guys tried hard to downplay it by saying BASE Sakura could do something similar to Kakashi with SAGE chakra. Now that's some horrible logic there.

I am done with this topic.

 

[Icelerate]

Obviously not as she paid attention to him and shot ash bones at him. She definitely did not ignore him but then just let him rip through her? I dont think so.

Kaguya not ignoring Kakashi doesn't mean she opted to dodge.

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she didnt know about his chidori attack either but still moved. Naruto was not there either so there was no reason she would be scared of being sealed

Sasuke =/= Kakashi.

The only point you guys have ever brought up was it not logical for Kakashi to have bltized Kaguya but there is no logic here.

• Spirit Obito came back from the dead as a ghost and gave his chakra to Kakashi. There is no logic here so that argument is not valid, I dont care what is logical.
• Kishimoto does not see the manga we do. He doesnt look at everything in feats like we do, he made Kakashi useful and had him do a lot damage to Kaguya. He doesnt see it as Kakashi being faster than Sasuke but again we view these fights differently, by feats.

Spirit Obito giving chakra to Kakashi is manga fact and by manga logic it makes sense. Kakashi being the fastest character in the manga is not manga fact and doesn't go well with manga logic.

Exactly, Kishi doesn't see the manga like we do so we don't take every single feat to heart and instead look at consistency.

Whether you guys like the feat or not, it happened and we not going to ignore it because Sasuke needs to be faster.

But again big LOL that you guys tried hard to downplay it by saying BASE Sakura could do something similar to Kakashi with SAGE chakra. Now that's some horrible logic there.

I am done with this topic.

Rikudo Kakashi's feats are well above Sakura's.

 

[Draphsin]

You disappoint me everytime with your intelligence level. Kaguya being able to detect how powerful a jutsu is means she was well aware that Kakashis raikiri would hurt her thus your argument that she tried to tank it is invalid and unlogical. Seriously, i feel like im in kindergarden when arguing with you :lol

Lmfao you obviously don't know how to debate judging by the bold.

The underlined is again, too damn ironic, I'm dying.

 

[Raykyryn]

I admit defeat. My shitty excuses've gone so ridiculous lately that even i can't believe in them anymore

You're welcome :lol

 

[Draphsin]

You're welcome :lol

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[Strict]

It was Kishi's purpose to shine a light on Kakashi's outstanding power. He saved Sakura in the heat of the moment, snapped off Kaguya's huge tails, slipped through her attack though Zetsu explicitly mentioned that Kaguya - the strongest being - is as fast as never and cut her with Raikiri, something Sasuke never accomplished. That wasn't bad writing by Kishimoto, it was his purpose.

The thing with Sakura on the other hand was nonsense. Kaguya, who had no other choice than escaping through the portal above her, ran directly into Sakura's arms, so latter had nothing to do but hitting her.

 

[Icelerate]

It was Kishi's purpose to shine a light on Kakashi's outstanding power. He saved Sakura in the heat of the moment, snapped off Kaguya's huge tails, slipped through her attack though Zetsu explicitly mentioned that Kaguya - the strongest being - is as fast as never and cut her with Raikiri, something Sasuke never accomplished. That wasn't bad writing by Kishimoto, it was his purpose.

Powered up Kaguya can evade Kakashi if she can evade Sasuke in a slower form. Kakashi cutting Kaguya isn't a speed feat unless you want to imply Kaguya can't avoid Raikiri.

The thing with Sakura on the other hand was nonsense. Kaguya, who had no other choice than escaping through the portal above her, ran directly into Sakura's arms, so latter had nothing to do but hitting her.

Yes it is nonsense that a powered up Kaguya can't evade Sakura and instead flew right into Sakura when she has the reactions to evade someone much faster.

 

[Strict]

Powered up Kaguya can evade Kakashi if she can evade Sasuke in a slower form. Kakashi cutting Kaguya isn't a speed feat unless you want to imply Kaguya can't avoid Raikiri.

She didn't avoid it though Kakashi formed Raikiri right in Susanoo. And unlike Sakura, she faced him in a direct battle. At this point, you need to admit that Kakashi completely trolled her. Just dodged her ash bones at top speed and cut her with Raikiri. After he snapped off her tails.

 

[Icelerate]

She didn't avoid it though Kakashi formed Raikiri right in Susanoo. And unlike Sakura, she faced him in a direct battle. At this point, you need to admit that Kakashi completely trolled her. Just dodged her ash bones at top speed and cut her with Raikiri. After he snapped off her tails.

Kaguya not opting to evade doesn't mean she doesn't have the speed/reactions to evade. Sakura never faced Kaguya in a 1 VS 1 but it doesn't change the fact that Kaguya can evade non Rikudo level speedsters even with distractions as they are far slower than her. This means Kaguya opted not to evade Sakura unless we are now implying that Sakura is far faster than the likes of Minato, V2 Ay or 7th gate Gai. Similarly, unless you want to imply that Kakashi is by far the fastest character in the manga, it stands to reason Kaguya opted not to dodge the attack. Kakashi never evaded Kaguya's ash bone, it was too fast for him and he had to go intangible.

 

[Strict]

So Kaguya opted to be cut by a person enhanced with Rikudo Chakra..? Makes sense.
Sakura should be completely forgotten in this debate. Kaguya didn't consider Sakura a bit. Like a sneak attack is no speed feat. It is completely irrelevant, as Kaguya did not only not consider Sakura, she even ran into her arms. You understand what I mean? She wanted to escape by the portal above blocked by Sakura. She flew right into Sakura's fist. At this point, there can't be the talk about evading something with distractions. Because Kaguya in fact even moved towards Sakura while wanting to escape. That is completely no speed feat.

Unlike Kakashi. As you are not able to refute Kakashi's utter legitimate feat, you argue with Kaguya not wanting to avoid it. Like if I punched you right in the face, you would argue with, you just had no desire to dodge the punch so you are more fine with having a broken nose. So you tell me one logical reason why Kaguya would rather let her shoulder being cut apart and thus weakened, in a situation where she is already at the pressure of being potentially sealed away, than simply dodging it to remain in a better state. What you say makes no sense at all.

Kakashi trolled her. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Icelerate]

So Kaguya opted to be cut by a person enhanced with Rikudo Chakra..? Makes sense.

Maybe she thought she could absorb it?

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so I don't see your point here. Makes way more sense than Kakashi blitzing arguably the fastest character in the manga.

Sakura should be completely forgotten in this debate. Kaguya didn't consider Sakura a bit. Like a sneak attack is no speed feat.

Explain to me why a sneak attack can't be a speed feat. There have been instances when a distracted character has reacted to speedsters. If that distracted character were caught in a sneak attack by another character, it would put that character on a higher level of speed than the speedster who failed to catch his opponent off guard. For example,

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but still ends up

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. Here Madara is

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, yet ends up

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It is completely irrelevant, as Kaguya did not only not consider Sakura, she even ran into her arms. You understand what I mean? She wanted to escape by the portal above blocked by Sakura. She flew right into Sakura's fist. At this point, there can't be the talk about evading something with distractions. Because Kaguya in fact even moved towards Sakura while wanting to escape. That is completely no speed feat.

What portal did Sakura block? Kaguya also ran into Kakashi as indicated by these vertical speed lines around Kaguya (

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), your point? Kaguya moving upwards doesn't mean she can't evade someone who is tiers slower than her. Naruto and Sasuke ran towards Ay and ended up dodging their blows at the last second so I have no doubt in my mind that someone as fast as Kaguya can react to Sakura even if she moves towards her. Kaguya only chose to charge through not knowing Sakura's punch was strong enough to hit her down.

Unlike Kakashi. As you are not able to refute Kakashi's utter legitimate feat, you argue with Kaguya not wanting to avoid it. Like if I punched you right in the face, you would argue with, you just had no desire to dodge the punch so you are more fine with having a broken nose. So you tell me one logical reason why Kaguya would rather let her shoulder being cut apart and thus weakened, in a situation where she is already at the pressure of being potentially sealed away, than simply dodging it to remain in a better state. What you say makes no sense at all.

Bold: Kaguya had no qualms about getting punched by Sakura, so why are you asking about me getting punched? I'm not Kaguya.

Underline: Prove to me Kaguya got weakened by having her shoulder cut apart. I can prove the opposite considering right after Kakashi "blitzed" Kaguya, Kaguya managed to react to Naruto who already blitzed her in a weakened state proving Kaguya wasn't weakened after getting hit by Kakashi.

 

[Strict]

Maybe she thought she could absorb it? Blind Madara also opted to be cut so I don't see your point here. Makes way more sense than Kakashi blitzing arguably the fastest character in the manga.

So Madara thought he could absorb a blade? Kaguya thought she could absorb Raikiri? Is there even a hint or are you just inventing an excuse? Then why did Kaguya dodge Sasuke's Chidori instead of thinking she could just absorb it? You realize that your arguments hold no water?

Explain to me why a sneak attack can't be a speed feat. There have been instances when a distracted character has reacted to speedsters. If that distracted character were caught in a sneak attack by another character, it would put that character on a higher level of speed than the speedster who failed to catch his opponent off guard. For example, Madara is distracted by Mei's lava but still ends up reacting to Ay. Here Madara is distracted by the gates shockwave, yet ends up reacting to Gai.

As I said, and as the Manga made clear, it wasn't even a sneak attack. Aren't you even able to read the Manga properly? Explicitly for dumb people, I marked this scan:

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I don't think that you are actually a dumb person, but it gets on my nerves when I need to give arguments bite by bite. Is it really necessary to discuss this? Don't we agree that it's not a speed feat of Sakura? That was bad writing of Kishimoto.

What portal did Sakura block? Kaguya also ran into Kakashi as indicated by these vertical speed lines around Kaguya (bottom-centre panel), your point? Kaguya moving upwards doesn't mean she can't evade someone who is tiers slower than her. Naruto and Sasuke ran towards Ay and ended up dodging their blows at the last second so I have no doubt in my mind that someone as fast as Kaguya can react to Sakura even if she moves towards her. Kaguya only chose to charge through not knowing Sakura's punch was strong enough to hit her down.

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Somehow I lose interest in debating with you if we need to discuss common things. It doesn't matter whether Kakashi is faster than Naruto or not (which I never implied). Naruto also blitzed Kaguya and ripped her arm off. Doesn't change the fact that Kakashi as well blitzed her. Kaguya reacted at Kakashi slipping through the ash bone and forming Raikiri. At this moment Kaguya was prepared for Kakashi's attack.

Underline: Prove to me Kaguya got weakened by having her shoulder cut apart. I can prove the opposite considering right after Kakashi "blitzed" Kaguya, Kaguya managed to react to Naruto who already blitzed her in a weakened state proving Kaguya wasn't weakened after getting hit by Kakashi.

You argument failed the moment you claimed Kaguya had simply no desire to dodge an Attack. She simply had no desire. Do you consider me to discuss on this level? That Kaguya simply had no desire do dodge an attack that made visible damage? There is no need to prove whether and how much this attack weakened Kaguya, as there is no logical reason to let his shoulder being cut apart if you have the chance to simply dodge it. Do you realize what you are talking about?

No matter what you say. Doesn't change the fact that Kakashi faced Kaguya and dominated the confrontation, by dodging (slipping through) her attack at the climax of her speed and blitzed her though Kaguya was aware that Kakashi is going to strike the moment he formed his Raikiri in Susanoo. Yeah, there were also other factors like the properties of Kamui Raikiri and Kaguya being surprised. Yet Kakashi dominated this confrontation.