Juubito vs DMS Kakashi
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Okay this is really the last time i reply on this subject... i'm getting a bit tired of this...
First of all, my point (which you obviously failed to see).
First of all, foot speed =/= Sunshin . Foot speed is running, jumping etc..., sunshin is a jutsu, a body flicker jutsu...retard. Sunshin takes chakra, foot speed doesn't.
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Now that tha's clared, lets move on to my point:
In speed:
Sasuke's ST > Kakashi's sunshin > Sasuke's sunshin> Sasuke's foot speed>= Kakashi's foot speed. Okay, lets move to your foolish arguments.
From the distance kakashi was from kaguya, his sunshin was more effective than sasuke's st for the reasons I already named before and i will explain again down there.
1- "Which means you are saying that Kakashi strikes faster than Sasuke, which isn't true as Sasuke was faster than Kakashi in all areas before" You said it yourself... why are you looking for feats from something from the past? We are talking about the moment of the fight with kaguya, not before (when kakashi didn't have the sage's chakra).
2- "You state that Sasuke's foot speed is close to Kakashi's" Yes, his foot speed, wich is different from his sunshin (we are talking about sunshin here, since there's no way kakashi would've striked kaguya with foot speed).
3- "But somehow you are stating that Kakashi can speed blitz Kaguya, while Sasuke canonically failed to blitz her w/ an S/T Jutsu. Or are you stating that teleportation attacks are slower than Shunshin attacks from the same person? Lmao. I pray to God that you aren't insinuating something that stupid." I said it before. I'm telling you, you are not reading what i post!... From that distance kakashi's sunshin worked better than Sasuke's ST because kakashi's atack was the sunshin itself, when he started to move he was already atacking, while sasuke, once he has changed his position, takes a (very short) time to atack, that small diference is what cannonically allowed Kakashi to hit her and sasuke couldn't. There's no other reason... you implying Kaguya didn't dodge it because there's was other reason is stupid... she doesn't like to die you know?
4- "I'll give you the portal part, but you literally have no proof for anything else in this section of your post. By saying Kaguya couldn't act, you are saying that Sakura blitzed her. It's really that simple. Sakura's starting distance was the same as Kakashi's as that is where Susanoo was destroyed, the same Susanoo she was in. Kaguya noticed her at the last moment. Is the last moment the same as the moment she got hit? No dumbass. It's not. Lmao.
So once again. You are basically admitting that you believe Sakura blitzed Kaguya. You've only said that using a portal was useless, and then you outright stated that she couldn't do anything else. .
Not even sure what the hell you are talking about with the underlined. If she couldn't use a jutsu before she got hit, that means Sakura is fast enough to intercept Kaguya before she can use any jutsu. Lmao. Stop being dumb for once in your life."
Sakura's starting distance was not the same as kakashi's, omfg. Kakashi's susano was in front of kaguya when kakashi jumped, and when sakura jumped it was behind her, implying Kakashi's susano aproached Kaguya.
Sakura didn't blitz kaguya! You haven't countered anything i'm saying, clown. Kaguya was moving at a high speed right to where sakura was and she only realized she was gonna be punched when Sakura was too close. Portals wouldn't work and Sakura was too close to her to make a jutsu.
LET ME USE CAPITALS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND:
SAKURA BEING FAST =/= KAGUYA MOVING FAST RIGHT TO WHERE SAKURA IS WITHOUT NOTICING IT AND REALIZING IT BEING ALREADY TOO CLOSE
5-"Free fall or not. She didn't physically react to Sakura's approach. End of story. Her moving at a high speed is nothing but a baseless assumption considering Naruto and Sasuke themselves weren't moving anywhere near their top speeds. Not to mention Sakura was able to come down and meet Sasuke and Naruto's positions, so they couldn't have been moving much faster than her. Stop being a retard and start using your ****ing brain, if you have one that is."
She didn't react for several reasons, none of them is implying sakura is fast, kaguya was the one who jumped to her punch.
Naruto and sasuke weren't moving high speed? really? lol. Sure dude... they were about to seal the enemy and suddenly they tought: hey sasuke! lets not move max speed here. lol. Sakura reached their position because she had already jumped and all that happened in an instant due to kaguya's own speed.
About the insults, do something about your personal issues dude... I'm not gonna bother anymore and also i won't neg rep you like you did, tough i should.
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Again spirit obito gave kakashi DMS yet people are still looking for logic here. Kakashi blitzed Kaguya plain and simple whether that is logical is irrelevant because again spirit obito gave kakashi DMS so anything can happen.
But lol @ ppl trying to bring the feat down by comparing it with Sakura's.
But lol @ ppl trying to bring the feat down by comparing it with Sakura's.
The reason is pretty simple, if she was trying to absorb it then she didn't try to until after she already got pierced. Similar situation w/ ama,
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.Kamui raikiri sends the part it pierces to the other dimension, but kaguya didn't know this, & so if she was planning on absorbing it then it would still run her through since she would most likely try to tank it first.
Or maybe her absorption works on contact, & in this case a kamui raikiri would then just be > kaguya's absorption.
Right, so it's not inmediately absorbed. What about Preta Path countering KR? I think it would work since Preta has an absorption shield that extends beyond the user, absorbing Raikiri before it makes contact
Kaguya was moving high speed right to sakura's punch. She had less time to react obviously. Keep igoring that fact all the time you want lol.
Kaguya did notice sakura, but it was too late, kaguya's own speed closed sakura's atack.
Sakura's hit wasn't the same as kakashi's.
I didn't know kamui raikiri did that... do you have a source? I tought it was called like that because you can't touch kakashi while he is coming right at you... since raikiri is done with his hand and it has nothing to do with kakashi's eyes.
Who said anything about real world logic? This is manga logic. According to the manga, it's a fact that sasuke got a larger boost than kakashi, therefore when we see a single feat that may suggest otherwise to some it doesn't automatically mean we can throw away everything that we already know & cling to that one scenario as fact.
According to the manga, It's more logical to conclude that kaguya didn't get blitzed by a character who's slower than someone she earlier outsped, & in a weakened form.
"Kakashi blitzed kaguya" Is what fanboys say when ONE measly scan showing him hit her is brought forth, therefore when another measly scan showing someone like sakura doing the same thing nobody can go out & say "Sakura blitzed kaguya" despite the fanboys disregarding logic & reasoning explaining both scans. The double standards are sickening.
Yeah that's my belief.
I agree & for this very reason.
DB4 has a rough translation of some of the jutsu's text.
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Prove she knew what kamui raikiri was gonna do to her.
I don't remember when people complained when 7 gated Gai pushed JJ Madara without Rikudo chakra(so let alone Kakashi who got the power boost) to justify his top speed position in every versus threads category. Double standards indeed
What you're saying would be true if Kakashi and Sakura were under the same circumstances before hitting her.
Kakashi: Several meters away and in front of her eyes.
Sakura: Jumped from a lot closer than kakashi was, from behind kaguya (her blind spot), with kaguya moving at high speed right against her punch and she noticing it when Sakura was really close to her (not to mention, Kaguya's speed at that moment should've been really high to be able to get out of naruto and sasuke's way).
Anyways, i'm out of this thread. I hope my point is clear (read above my quote to KG, i don't think kakashi is faster than sasuke, i explained very well)
What you're saying would be true if Kakashi and Sakura were under the same circumstances before hitting her.
Kakashi: Several meters away and in front of her eyes.
Sakura: Jumped from a lot closer than kakashi was, from behind kaguya (her blind spot), with kaguya moving at high speed right against her punch and she noticing it when Sakura was really close to her (not to mention, Kaguya's speed at that moment should've been really high to be able to get out of naruto and sasuke's way).
Anyways, i'm out of this thread. I hope my point is clear (read above my quote to KG, i don't think kakashi is faster than sasuke, i explained very well)
If you wanna reply to me then quote me, don't have to beat around the bush.
Actually yeah that did happen, same thing actually. Fanboys were thinking that gai blitzed madara when the only thing that the scan showed us was that his striking speed is impressive.
Which they were as I've been saying this entire time. I'm not repeating myself anymore after this.
Both of which are irrelevant if kaguya didn't even plan on dodging the attack, which you can't prove.
Lmao look at this huge ass explanation you're trying to conjure up to try & discredit something sakura did.
So? This implies that sakura has the speed to hit kaguya should she be close enough, sasuke failed at point blank so this point is moot.
Byakugan + sensory abilities = no blindspot unless you actually have some proof.
Prove her speed & momentum was so great that she'd be unable to easily change her trajectory, until then this is baseless as well.
She didn't notice her before she noticed sasuke appear right in front of her face, since he used ameno to get there. Your logic suggests that sakura can hit kaguya if close enough, but what you & the kakashi fapboys fail to realize is that sasuke failed to hit her from the closest you can try to hit someone, from POINT BLANK RANGE. So even if sakura has the speed to hit kaguya from point blank, that STILL makes her faster than sasuke according to you, especially considering the weak kaguya dodged him.
Again baseless conjecture, do you have proof that naruto & sasuke were moving so fast that kaguya had to move anywhere near her top speed in order to avoid them? No, you can't.
You can't say that kakashi blitzed kaguya, then go on to say that he's slower than sasuke who failed to blitz weak kaguya. Wtf...? How is that even close to proper logic..? Whatever Don't reply, I've seen what you dragged KG into & I'm not going to sit here trying to argue w/ a brick wall.
Not on a computer at the moment. It's easier to post without quoting. I didn't really look at the versus section since a while, but last time i check people are still thinking Gai is the "fastest" character speed-wise(not striking speed-wise) by using that feat. I'm actually surprised you're not one of the clueless guys thinking otherwise, so prop to you
I don't think Sakura's Scenario was exactly like Kakashi's but it was very similar considering Kaguya's position/Where the bones came from and the lines indicating she was just raising her head up before Kakshi actually blitzed her. At the same time, I give 0 fuqs about Kakashi/Obito fapboys who complain all the time.