I hate to admit this but...

[Torche]

Simple solution: Don't read Naruto: Gaiden.

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Nah, 700 already started it. :lol

 

[Dannie]

Agreed. Let us move to Itachism

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[Conspirator.]

Simple solution: Don't read Naruto: Gaiden.

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Nah, 700 already started it. :lol

It's like horse$%&* fapfics! :bdpf:

OT: He caught "bad writingitis"(Sparks coined the term the other day) Apparently it's also a major pandemic within the bounds of the manga too.

 

[Gagster]

And Kiba didn't become Hokage. Who cares?

 

[Torche]

Agreed. Let us move to Itachism

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Found this on reddit by google'ing "Itachism Narutobase" when trying to find that pic the other day.

Dude they have a cult. It is called Itachi base and they follow 'Itachism'. Itachi is like a religion to them. Post anything that is common sense on that base which involves Itachi , for eg:- Madara is more powerful than Itachi and see the magic. It is very disturbing.

It's like horse$%&* fapfics! :bdpf:

OT: He caught "bad writingitis"(Sparks coined the term the other day) Apparently it's also a major pandemic in the bounds of the manga too.

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I feel that this has been said before, perhaps a copy and paste?

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:bdpf:

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Exactly,well said



He did care for Sakura.It was made clear that he always tried breaking his bonds.

Caring about a teammate doesn't mean that you have romantic feeling for them. Sasuke was never that type of guy.

1)At the end of Part 1,he left Konoha in order to rid himself of his bonds with his comrades so he could focus solely on becoming strong enough to kill Itachi.

???How is this relevant to what I posted???

2)After Kaguya was defeated Sasuke again made it clear he wanted to sever all his connections so he could be alone.

Which made his ideology even more praise-worthy than it already was.

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When Sasuke noticed Sakura was feeling worried about the Chunin exams,he gave her a compliment to make her feel better.

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Well sasuke gave complements to almost anyone in NV how is that romantic????

In the Forest Of Death when he woke up,and noticed she was beaten up,he immediately asked her who did it.

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He was worried avout his teammate but if you want to count that as romance then ok bro Lol

When Sakura asked him to stop fighting,he did.

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Hold up hold up hold up, Sakura managed to temporary stop sasuke by hugging him or whatever shiit she was there, but what actually made him stop going after them was the curse seal after effects.

Sasuke was willing to risk his life for Sakura,and referred to Team 7 as his precious comrades,putting them on the level of his family.

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He did that to naruto to, And probably would've done it to evey comrade he had, but all that unfortunately disappeared after that fight. Kid sasuke cared all his comrades.

When Kakashi mentioned how they both have precious comrades,Sasuke immediately thought about Naruto,and Sakura.

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And spent hours thinking about them.

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Team 7 man.......unless you're saying he was in love with naruto too, which would explain everything

Sasuke wanted peace in NV as well or did that slip your mind as you read the fight.

Obviously, but using his revolution...which was then destroyed by kishi after the fight. It must be hard to be a fan of character whom you totally don't understand understand.

 

[Dantee]

Obviously, but using his revolution...which was then destroyed by kishi after the fight. It must be hard to be a fan of character whom you totally don't understand understand.

After fighting Naruto he realized there could be a better alternative than the Revolution he envisioned. Mainly because naruto understood his pain n vice versa others can too. I understand his character fine but I was trying to get my point across that both had the same end goals.

 

[Dannie]

Yes, I'm a Sasuke fan, but even I can realize that Sasuke has had some flaws with his character, like case in point with chapter 699, and him doing a complete 180 without any time to develop his feelings properly, or with this current Gaiden series and all these theories about him not being with his kid and being a deadbeat father. Truth be told after the Valley 2 fight I was disappointed with Sasuke's sudden shift in character(especially for Sakura).

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Yeah, what the hell happened to that? And after a few pages the dude is apologizing and then pokes her forehead. What garbage writing.

Sasuke trying to start a revolution was just a reason for Naruto and Sasuke to fight. The overall reasoning behind that attempt was completely random and unnecessary.

Kishimoto tries too hard to develop Sasuke and sometimes he just ruins what he tries to make him to be.

This is why characters like Gaara and Itachi are developed very well because they are not exaggerated to the point of being hated nor are they irrelevant enough to be missed. Kishimoto knew what he was doing with Gaara and Itachi, but he had no idea of what to make with Sasuke so he just rushed his character at the last minute because he tried too hard to make him perfect.

 

[Dantee]

Yes, I'm a Sasuke fan, but even I can realize that Sasuke has had some flaws with his character, like case in point with chapter 699, and him doing a complete 180 without any time to develop his feelings properly, or with this current Gaiden series and all these theories about him not being with his kid and being a deadbeat father. Truth be told after the Valley 2 fight I was disappointed with Sasuke's sudden shift in character(especially for Sakura).

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Yeah, what the hell happened to that? And after a few pages the dude is apologizing and then pokes her forehead. What garbage writing.

Sasuke trying to start a revolution was just a reason for Naruto and Sasuke to fight. The overall reasoning behind that attempt was completely random and unnecessary.

Kishimoto tries too hard to develop Sasuke and sometimes he just ruins what he tries to make him to be.

This is why characters like Gaara and Itachi are developed very well because they are not exaggerated to the point of being hated nor are they irrelevant enough to be missed. Kishimoto knew what he was doing with Gaara and Itachi, but he had no idea of what to make with Sasuke so he just rushed his character at the last minute because he tried too hard to make him perfect.

Sasuke was trying to cut his bonds with everyone. Basically repressing his feelings so he can go forward with his plans.

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[Torche]

Yes, I'm a Sasuke fan, but even I can realize that Sasuke has had some flaws with his character, like case in point with chapter 699, and him doing a complete 180 without any time to develop his feelings properly, or with this current Gaiden series and all these theories about him not being with his kid and being a deadbeat father. Truth be told after the Valley 2 fight I was disappointed with Sasuke's sudden shift in character(especially for Sakura).

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Yeah, what the hell happened to that? And after a few pages the dude is apologizing and then pokes her forehead. What garbage writing.

Sasuke trying to start a revolution was just a reason for Naruto and Sasuke to fight. The overall reasoning behind that attempt was completely random and unnecessary.

Kishimoto tries too hard to develop Sasuke and sometimes he just ruins what he tries to make him to be.

This is why characters like Gaara and Itachi are developed very well because they are not exaggerated to the point of being hated nor are they irrelevant enough to be missed. Kishimoto knew what he was doing with Gaara and Itachi, but he had no idea of what to make with Sasuke so he just rushed his character at the last minute because he tried too hard to make him perfect.

VoTE II was just a fanservice battle, tbh. And the sudden-180 is for the typical "Shounen happy ending". To be expected, really. It could have been written out better to not seem as bad, if not for cramming two "major" battles in like, what...? 18 chapters? :| You could take out the Kaguya fight, but Madara vs Them would take those chapters anyway... Limited chapters and cramming the final fight into like 7 chapters is not a good idea. U_U

 

[Dannie]

Sasuke was trying to cut his bonds with everyone. Basically repressing his feelings so he can go forward with his plans.

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What a good actor Sasuke is.

VoTE II was just a fanservice battle, tbh. And the sudden-180 is for the typical "Shounen happy ending". To be expected, really. It could have been written out better to not seem as bad, if not for cramming two "major" battles in like, what...? 18 chapters? :| You could take out the Kaguya fight, but Madara vs Them would take those chapters anyway... Limited chapters and cramming the final fight into like 7 chapters is not a good idea. U_U

Right, the Kaguya fight was practically filler and pointless and could have been skipped for more development involving Naruto and Sasuke's fight as well as Sasuke's final atonement.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

After fighting Naruto he realized there could be a better alternative than the Revolution he envisioned. Mainly because naruto understood his pain n vice versa others can too. I understand his character fine but I was trying to get my point across that both had the same end goals.

Yes, but that still doesn't change the fact that his idology about the whole peace concept was shifted a bit. Taking all the darkness along with him was the thing he wanted to do, kinda like lelouch from code geass but still naruto didn't allow him to do it and thus he gave up on that way of peace . That doesn't mean that he didn't want peace, It just means that he chose a different progression of peace. which is basically what're you saying right now.

Yes, I'm a Sasuke fan, but even I can realize that Sasuke has had some flaws with his character, like case in point with chapter 699, and him doing a complete 180 without any time to develop his feelings properly, or with this current Gaiden series and all these theories about him not being with his kid and being a deadbeat father. Truth be told after the Valley 2 fight I was disappointed with Sasuke's sudden shift in character(especially for Sakura).

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Yeah, what the hell happened to that? And after a few pages the dude is apologizing and then pokes her forehead. What garbage writing.

Sasuke trying to start a revolution was just a reason for Naruto and Sasuke to fight. The overall reasoning behind that attempt was completely random and unnecessary.

Kishimoto tries too hard to develop Sasuke and sometimes he just ruins what he tries to make him to be.

This is why characters like Gaara and Itachi are developed very well because they are not exaggerated to the point of being hated nor are they irrelevant enough to be missed. Kishimoto knew what he was doing with Gaara and Itachi, but he had no idea of what to make with Sasuke so he just rushed his character at the last minute because he tried too hard to make him perfect.

Preach Dannie, ****ing preach. True sasuke fan right here^^

 

[Torche]

Right, the Kaguya fight was practically filler and pointless and could have been skipped for more development involving Naruto and Sasuke's fight as well as Sasuke's final atonement.

Yeah, and the pointless waste of time Sasuke spent in the desert was just.. :| Genius. :sdo: The fight could have wrapped up that much quicker if it still had to be included. They'd get more development fighting Madara - a character with some personality - as opposed to Kaguya - who took orders from Black Goo, the same thing which Madara ordered around. Lml, dat logic.

 

[Conspirator.]

Yeah, and the pointless waste of time Sasuke spent in the desert was just.. :| Genius. :sdo: The fight could have wrapped up that much quicker if it still had to be included. They'd get more development fighting Madara - a character with some personality - as opposed to Kaguya - who took orders from Black Goo, the same thing which Madara ordered around. Lml, dat logic.

Yes, the Kaguya fight screwed up the manga. If they fought Madara, Sasuke(and Naruto too as well) would probably have had a higher chance of getting better development, since they have more connections with Madara than they do with Kaguya, and that would have had the effect of them having meaningful dialogue. Maybe something "inspirational" Madara told Naruto and Sasuke before being defeated by the two of them, engendered differing viewpoints/ideologies between the 2, which caused Sasuke to start a "Revolution", or at least reaffirmed his belief that it was right. What I just said sounds pretty rough, crude, and rudimentary, but something like that would be waaaaaaaaaayyyyy better than what actually happened. :|

 

[Deadmed]

Naruto changed Sasuke's mind about being a radical version of The Dark Knight and now he continues to wander and soul search. He's still the soul searching, silent, mysterious adolescent emo dream boy you grew up loving, he's just not as bogged down by hatred and fanatical ideas about self sacrifice and being like darkness edge Jesus and taking on the hate of the world.

 

[Dantee]

Yes, but that still doesn't change the fact that his idology about the whole peace concept was shifted a bit. Taking all the darkness along with him was the thing he wanted to do, kinda like lelouch from code geass but still naruto didn't allow him to do it and thus he gave up on that way of peace . That doesn't mean that he didn't want peace, It just means that he chose a different progression of peace. which is basically what're you saying right now.


Preach Dannie, ****ing preach. True sasuke fan right here^^

I think you're missing a big concept of what happened during Naruto and sasukes fight. I'm not saying you are wrong but it sounds like you're trying to say Sasuke changed completely for no reason other than bad writing/ trying dimiss why he changed. Sasuke said he wanted to cut off all bonds which has always been a big part of his character so there should hardly be a surprised there. Sasuke and Narutos relationship was always kind of badly written but they always considered each other close. Sasuke wanted to cut his bond with Naruto but it's because Naruto never gave up on him even at the very end he shifted his ideology.

Sasuke said these meaningful things in 699 about how he traveled the world and it was same everywhere he went. Everyone can relate to each other is the conclusion he came up with so maybe they can try to connect the world that way. I'm not saying his development wasn't rushed because that is also true. Kishi rushed the manga and that is an undeniable fact but this development was inevitable as well.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Such wonderful discussions.

 

[Deadmed]

Yes, I'm a Sasuke fan, but even I can realize that Sasuke has had some flaws with his character, like case in point with chapter 699, and him doing a complete 180 without any time to develop his feelings properly, or with this current Gaiden series and all these theories about him not being with his kid and being a deadbeat father. Truth be told after the Valley 2 fight I was disappointed with Sasuke's sudden shift in character(especially for Sakura).

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Yeah, what the hell happened to that? And after a few pages the dude is apologizing and then pokes her forehead. What garbage writing.

Sasuke trying to start a revolution was just a reason for Naruto and Sasuke to fight. The overall reasoning behind that attempt was completely random and unnecessary.

Kishimoto tries too hard to develop Sasuke and sometimes he just ruins what he tries to make him to be.

This is why characters like Gaara and Itachi are developed very well because they are not exaggerated to the point of being hated nor are they irrelevant enough to be missed. Kishimoto knew what he was doing with Gaara and Itachi, but he had no idea of what to make with Sasuke so he just rushed his character at the last minute because he tried too hard to make him perfect.

Well maybe there was reason behind his seemingly insincere apology and forced flirtatious behavior towards Sakura. He had no contact with her for 12 ****ing years. I think he just ****ed with Sakura so she'd take care of his offspring while he attends to actual importance. Being the misogynistic bastard he is.

 

[Deadmed]

What a good actor Sasuke is.


Right, the Kaguya fight was practically filler and pointless and could have been skipped for more development involving Naruto and Sasuke's fight as well as Sasuke's final atonement.

I got the sense that the Kaguya fight was tongue in cheek and Kaguya+black Zetsu was supposed to be sort of a team rocketish final villain. I mean better to go out with a sense of irony than pretend a 1 volume battle suffices for the conclusion to the Akatsuki conspiracy which was the the main focus of literally the entirety of Part 2. He got ****ed over by time restraints so he decided to make her ironically incompetent and undignified (nose bleed). It's kind of clever if you think about it.

 

[Torche]

Well maybe there was reason behind his seemingly insincere apology and forced flirtatious behavior towards Sakura. He had no contact with her for 12 ****ing years. I think he just ****ed with Sakura so she'd take care of his offspring while he attends to actual importance. Being the misogynistic bastard he is.

Congratulations, you made it sound worse.

Yes, the Kaguya fight screwed up the manga. If they fought Madara, Sasuke(and Naruto too as well) would probably have had a higher chance of getting better development, since they have more connections with Madara than they do with Kaguya, and that would have had the effect of them having meaningful dialogue. Maybe something "inspirational" Madara told Naruto and Sasuke before being defeated by the two of them, engendered differing viewpoints/ideologies between the 2, which caused Sasuke to start a "Revolution", or at least reaffirmed his belief that it was right. What I just said sounds pretty rough, crude, and rudimentary, but something like that would be waaaaaaaaaayyyyy better than what actually happened. :|

Just what you put makes it sound so much better, tbh. The idea of that is more appealing than the Kaguya Arc.