insulting Dutch royalty = a fine and/or jailtime

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So, in recent domestic news (Holland) Someone insulted the royal house saying:

''**** the king, **** the royal house''

etc something down those lines.

The government fined that person for 500 euros and the old native dutch people (simpleton sheep with a delusional sense of patriotism) support the idea of punishing anyone that insults the royal family.

it reminded me of something I marked in one of my books called 'The Prince' by Niccolò Machiavelli.

I quote: "Meantime across Europe, the princes and princesses of ancient noble families took to marrying and remarrying each other in an ever-thickening web of defensive alliances, as if density of blood and lineage might offer protection against the threat of usurpers or, worse still, Republicanism and democracy. No family was more practised at this upmarket dating game as the Medici, who, partly thanks to an extraordinary network of connections, would hang on in Florence in a client-state twilight lasting more than 200 undistinguished years. Meantime, from Paris to Madrid to Naples, the court clothes became finer, the statues and monuments more pompous and the whole royal charade more colorful and more solemn, as though people might somehow be dazzled into believing that a king or a duke really did have a right to rule. Many prestigious works of art were commissioned with precisely this idea in mind. But most of Europe's rulers worked hard to put a halo round their crowned heads, to appear religious and at all costs to uphold the Faith, sensing that this too would bolster their position and draw attention away from the mystery of their privileges. Later still, particularly after the French Revolution had destroyed any illusions about the rights of monarchs, the rather desperate card of 'respectability' was played."

I quote another piece:

"To this long-drawn-out conspiracy of pomp and pious circumstance, Machiavelli's little book was a constant threat. It reminded people that power is always up for grabs, always a question of what can be taken by force or treachery, and always, despite all protests to the contrary, the prime concern of any ruler. In their attempt to discredit 'The Prince', both religious and state authorities played up the author's admiration for the ruthless Borgia, and never mentioned his perception that in the long run a ruler must avoid being hated by his people and must always put their interests before those of the aristocrasy; the people are so many, Machiavelli reflected, that power ultimately lies with them."

This charade especially includes the Papacy and everything related to the Vatican. The book is full of historical facts revolving around Pope Alexander, Julius and others that went on crusades and waged war whilst upholding the illusion of their holyness. Cardinals and popes are just high-ranking masons and pedophiles, thus me getting pissed off at gullible idiots on the base that gave praise to the current Pope in previous threads.

So, I wonder what view do nb members have on respecting royalty?

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well, the royal family are very irrelevant at times like this
 

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That's dumb o-o

OT – They'd have to earn it like everyone else.
 

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well, the royal family are very irrelevant at times like this

Yet they use taxpayers money like they have a god-given right to it
 

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So, in recent domestic news (Holland) Someone insulted the royal house saying:

''**** the king, **** the royal house''

etc something down those lines.

The government fined that person for 500 euros and the old native dutch people (simpleton sheep with a delusional sense of patriotism) support the idea of punishing anyone that insults the royal family.

it reminded me of something I marked in one of my books called 'The Prince' by Niccolò Machiavelli.

I quote: "Meantime across Europe, the princes and princesses of ancient noble families took to marrying and remarrying each other in an ever-thickening web of defensive alliances, as if density of blood and lineage might offer protection against the threat of usurpers or, worse still, Republicanism and democracy. No family was more practised at this upmarket dating game as the Medici, who, partly thanks to an extraordinary network of connections, would hang on in Florence in a client-state twilight lasting more than 200 undistinguished years. Meantime, from Paris to Madrid to Naples, the court clothes became finer, the statues and monuments more pompous and the whole royal charade more colorful and more solemn, as though people might somehow be dazzled into believing that a king or a duke really did have a right to rule. Many prestigious works of art were commissioned with precisely this idea in mind. But most of Europe's rulers worked hard to put a halo round their crowned heads, to appear religious and at all costs to uphold the Faith, sensing that this too would bolster their position and draw attention away from the mystery of their privileges. Later still, particularly after the French Revolution had destroyed any illusions about the rights of monarchs, the rather desperate card of 'respectability' was played."

I quote another piece:

"To this long-drawn-out conspiracy of pomp and pious circumstance, Machiavelli's little book was a constant threat. It reminded people that power is always up for grabs, always a question of what can be taken by force or treachery, and always, despite all protests to the contrary, the prime concern of any ruler. In their attempt to discredit 'The Prince', both religious and state authorities played up the author's admiration for the ruthless Borgia, and never mentioned his perception that in the long run a ruler must avoid being hated by his people and must always put their interests before those of the aristocrasy; the people are so many, Machiavelli reflected, that power ultimately lies with them."

This charade especially includes the Papacy and everything related to the Vatican. The book is full of historical facts revolving around Pope Alexander, Julius and others that went on crusades and waged war whilst upholding the illusion of their holyness. Cardinals and popes are just high-ranking masons and pedophiles, thus me getting pissed off at gullible idiots on the base that gave praise to the current Pope in previous threads.

So, I wonder what view do nb members have on respecting royalty?

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Pretty good Thread imho, liked your quotes.

Well (luckily) royalty does no longer mean you're in possession of (real) power. I mean it's all cool with me if those families represent their country and it's old fashioned habbits, I don't really know a country that is still ruled by a royal family.
 

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Pretty good Thread imho, liked your quotes.

Well (luckily) royalty does no longer mean you're in possession of (real) power. I mean it's all cool with me if those families represent their country and it's old fashioned habbits, I don't really know a country that is still ruled by a royal family.

hmmm well..Dutch culture is farming and fisherman culture and doesn't really involve the royal family. All the random medals and golden chariots and such are just to ''dazzle the common men into believing that a king or a duke really did have a right to rule.''

Basically they're using that 'respectability' card as shown in the quote. And stupid native dutch people go along with their gullible respect for the royal house. And that's really dangerous. Because the rulers can undermine and shave away at our rights whilst being supported by a large percentage of the population. Another example is that almost 50% of the people that responded to the notion that all convicted criminals in Holland should have their DNA added to a database were ok with it being forced onto the criminals. Which at first sight should be no problem for any honest, hard-working citizen but the danger is that if we allow one group of people to be forced to do something, all of us will eventually be forced to do just that.

Grey state in the making
 

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What if i insult their ancestors for what they did 400 years ago ?
 

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What if i insult their ancestors for what they did 400 years ago ?

They can't do much about foreigners insulting them from outside their own country, I reckon.
 

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They can't do much about foreigners insulting them from outside their own country, I reckon.

I guess besides their rule over South Asia ended so long ago and not even interested in insulting them but a man doesn't know their history worth for nothing .
 
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I personally believe that the right to rule is earned, and certainly not born into. Royalty implies superiority without reason, merely being born right, which is a dangerous line of thinking. Machiavelli certainly breaks the illusion of what royalty is.
 

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If it is something a citizen is not supposed to proud of or be a part of why there is still monarchy is there? even as a mere symbolism.
 

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Lol look at his smug face. who the heck still cares about monarchy this isn't the 16th century. government is what's needed not some smug bastard who owns jewels and pretty white horses.
 

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I guess besides their rule over South Asia ended so long ago and not even interested in insulting them but a man doesn't know their history worth for nothing .

Yeah, Holland occupied Indonesia but I heard from native Indonesians that the dutch were mild and they'd rather have the dutch there than whoever ruled in Indonesia at that point in time. But this is just the opinion of one native so idk
 

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Tbh I see Royalty as nothing more than decoration.
 

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Would you like it if people insulted you?

Hell if I could fine people for insulting me, I would.
 

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Royalty=Watches.

Both are irrelevant in this modern day and are used only for decoration.
 

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Would you like it if people insulted you?

Hell if I could fine people for insulting me, I would.

I'd vote for perma-banning anyone that insults Okami's unrivaled beauty on the base u.u

But in all seriousness; I don't really care for insults and there is this thing called free speech
 

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And I thought kids these days were the only ones assuming entitlement, well you learn something new everyday.
 
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