when Madara came to take his eyes is a better speed feat than Minato throwing a kunai against Ay thus non Rikudo Kakashi is faster than base Minato. Going by their logic, Sakura>base Kakashi>base Minato when it comes to speed because Sakura was able to actually shunshin twice before having to get saved from Kaguya's chakra arms.
Comparing a pressured Kaguya(by 3 god tier characters) getting hit by a Sakura coming from a blind spot above to a Kakashi actually blitzing right through Kaguya who was facing him in a 1 on 1 scenario. Looks like the logic of some narutobase members will never fail to amuse me
Comparing a pressured Kaguya(by 3 god tier characters) getting hit by a Sakura coming from a blind spot above to a Kakashi actually blitzing right through Kaguya who was facing him in a 1 on 1 scenario. Looks like the logic of some narutobase members will never fail to amuse me
When was Kaguya being pressured? She flew away from the other god tier characters then got hit by Sakura. You would have a point if Kaguya got hit by Sakura when Naruto and Sasuke were closing in on her but she escaped before that happened.
Kakashi never fought Kaguya in a one on one, it was a team effort as
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Sakura was left around this position during Kakashi's offensive strategy
It's for that reason Kaguya failed to notice Sakura in time(you can notice the exclammation mark):
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Not to mention that Kaguya's only threat are Naruto and Sasuke because they can seal her, so someone like Sakura is someone she wouldn't pay attention of.
Limits in reflexes
A reflex is an involuntary and nearly instantaneous movement in response to a stimulus(a detectable change in the internal or external environment).
There is a limit in every one's reflexive capabilities.
Example: - Even for the most reflexive human being, it's impossible to completely dodge 6 tennis ball coming from different directions splits of seconds after the other even after awareness of all of them
Kaguya was coming out of a 5 counter-strategy battle before getting hit by Sakura
1- Opens the portal to try an escape
2- In impossibility to enter the portal, she changes tactics and attacks Naruto's clone(not knowing it's one)
3- Noticing this, she again changes tactics by attacking the one on her right through the portal, but Kamui close the portal
4- Noticing this, she now decides to switch to ice dimension, but Sasuke was preparing Amaterasu for that
5- Noticing this, she now decides to jump away from the duo
And it's after coming out of all this that a Sakura coming from her blind spot out of nowhere actually managed to land the hit. Notice the position of Naruto/his clone/Sasuke only slowly changed compared to the initial position when the strategy started(after Kakashi destablized her balance), so everything was happening in splits of seconds, yet Kaguya mindly and bodily reaction to 5 actions happening in this split of seconds in a row, only failing on the 6th from an action she almost failed to notice
So no, Sakura didn't get any boost in speed and her hiting Kaguya means close to nothing. Put her in 1on1 and Sakura would have gotten stomped
Sakura got no sudden boost in speed because she hit Kaguya. That's completely forgetting the fundamentals
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Sakura was left around this position during Kakashi's offensive strategy
It's for that reason Kaguya failed to notice Sakura in time(you can notice the exclammation mark):
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Not to mention that Kaguya's only threat are Naruto and Sasuke because they can seal her, so someone like Sakura is someone she wouldn't pay attention of.
Limits in reflexes
A reflex is an involuntary and nearly instantaneous movement in response to a stimulus(a detectable change in the internal or external environment).
There is a limit in every one's reflexive capabilities.
Example: - Even for the most reflexive human being, it's impossible to completely dodge 6 tennis ball coming from different directions splits of seconds after the other even after awareness of all of them
Kaguya was coming out of a 5 counter-strategy battle before getting hit by Sakura
1- Opens the portal to try an escape
2- In impossibility to enter the portal, she changes tactics and attacks Naruto's clone(not knowing it's one)
3- Noticing this, she again changes tactics by attacking the one on her right through the portal, but Kamui close the portal
4- Noticing this, she now decides to switch to ice dimension, but Sasuke was preparing Amaterasu for that
5- Noticing this, she now decides to jump away from the duo
And it's after coming out of all this that a Sakura coming from her blind spot out of nowhere actually managed to land the hit. Notice the position of Naruto/his clone/Sasuke only slowly changed compared to the initial position when the strategy started(after Kakashi destablized her balance), so everything was happening in splits of seconds, yet Kaguya mindly and bodily reaction to 5 actions happening in this split of seconds in a row, only failing on the 6th from an action she almost failed to notice
So no, Sakura didn't get any boost in speed and her hiting Kaguya means close to nothing. Put her in 1on1 and Sakura would have gotten stomped
Sakura got no sudden boost in speed because she hit Kaguya. That's completely forgetting the fundamentals
The blind-spot in the manga is actually bigger than in the anime.
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The red bar shows just about where Kaguya should have been able to see her, since Sakura's body isn't small enough for that gap (obviously where the red bar is).
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Sakura was left around this position during Kakashi's offensive strategy
Not to mention that Kaguya's only threat are Naruto and Sasuke because they can seal her, so someone like Sakura is someone she wouldn't pay attention of.
A reflex is an involuntary and nearly instantaneous movement in response to a stimulus(a detectable change in the internal or external environment).
There is a limit in every one's reflexive capabilities.
Example: - Even for the most reflexive human being, it's impossible to completely dodge 6 tennis ball coming from different directions splits of seconds after the other even after awareness of all of them
Too bad we aren't talking about human beings, we're talking about shinobi. Not just an ordinary shinobi but the strongest of them all. Part one Neji has been shown to dodge/react to a large number of projectiles coming from different directions split seconds after the other (
Kaguya was coming out of a 5 counter-strategy battle before getting hit by Sakura
1- Opens the portal to try an escape
2- In impossibility to enter the portal, she changes tactics and attacks Naruto's clone(not knowing it's one)
3- Noticing this, she again changes tactics by attacking the one on her right through the portal, but Kamui close the portal
4- Noticing this, she now decides to switch to ice dimension, but Sasuke was preparing Amaterasu for that
5- Noticing this, she now decides to jump away from the duo
And it's after coming out of all this that a Sakura coming from her blind spot out of nowhere actually managed to land the hit. Notice the position of Naruto/his clone/Sasuke only slowly changed compared to the initial position when the strategy started(after Kakashi destablized her balance), so everything was happening in splits of seconds, yet Kaguya mindly and bodily reaction to 5 actions happening in this split of seconds in a row, only failing on the 6th from an action she almost failed to notice
So no, Sakura didn't get any boost in speed and her hiting Kaguya means close to nothing. Put her in 1on1 and Sakura would have gotten stomped
Sakura got no sudden boost in speed because she hit Kaguya. That's completely forgetting the fundamentals
I know but so do Minato and Kakashi, what's your point?
The point here is that you can't say Kakashi is faster than Sasuke because he landed a hit on Kaguya because you'd have to claim that Sakura is also faster than Sasuke because she landed a hit. Kakashi's feat being better than Sakura's is irrelevant considering the fact that landing a hit on Kaguya is by no means a measure of how fast a character is.
I specifically was talking about shunshin ,not regular movement speed. For example Kakashis shunshin remained as fast as before despite him being on low chakra level (
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The point of the picture wasn't to compare the size of the blindspot to a human but to show that the weakness actually exist. In the manga, the surface area of the blindspot is much bigger enough to fit a normal sized human at 10m or even less, and you realize that the bigger the distance, the bigger the surface area of the blindspot becomes right?
Besides, i didn't mean that Kaguya didn't notice Sakura, no i said she failed to notice in time. The exclamation mark was to point out the fact that she only noticed Sakura when she was already right above her head when coming out of a multi-tasking reflexive move while being pressured by 3god tier characters
Basically a worse scenario than this one where Kakashi also got the exclamation mark indicating he noticed something, but not with enough time to react properly:
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Kakashi may not have had the mean to actually seal her, but he had enough power to be enough of a threat to trouble her while dealing with Sasuke and Naruto
Your Neji example doesn't work. The attacks he was dodging were coming from the same direction, and at the same pace with different intervals from one another, totally different from the scenario i was referring to. Besides, the real life example wasn't to actually use it as a proof in my argument, but more to emphasize the body reaction reaction limit that exist after a certain pattern of physical reaction/movement even after mind reaction
I don't care about the Kakashi/Sasuke discussion. I was only emphasizing the fact that the comparison Sakura/Kaguya/Kakashi to support an argument was a ridiculous one
The point of the picture wasn't to compare the size of the blindspot to a human but to show that the weakness actually exist. In the manga, the surface area of the blindspot is much bigger enough to fit a normal sized human at 10m or even less, and you realize that the bigger the distance, the bigger the surface area of the blindspot becomes right?
But the distance wasn't that big. If it was that big, than a long time passed with Sakura in freefall motion which contradicts your argument where you imply all this happened nigh instantly.
Besides, i didn't mean that Kaguya didn't notice Sakura, no i said she failed to notice in time. The exclamation mark was to point out the fact that she only noticed Sakura when she was already right above her head when coming out of a multi-tasking reflexive move while being pressured by 3god tier characters
Kaguya still had enough time to react to someone who isn't even on Minato/Ay/Gai level of speed, whom she can react to with even less time/distance than when she noticed Sakura. Kaguya wasn't being pressured by Kakashi at that point in time so there were only two god tier characters that were pressuring her. Not to mention your argument fails to hold credibility when you realize Kaguya had already escaped Naruto/Sasuke and had relieved herself of them for the time being.
Basically a worse scenario than this one where Kakashi also got the exclamation mark indicating he noticed something, but not with enough time to react properly:
Kakashi failed to react to someone as fast as him. Sakura is no where near as fast as Kaguya though and a part one Sakura who is far slower than part one Kakashi wouldn't be able to replicate Zabuza catching Kakashi off guard in that same situation.
Kakashi may not have had the mean to actually seal her, but he had enough power to be enough of a threat to trouble her while dealing with Sasuke and Naruto
No he didn't. He only received that power afterwards. He was in the same boat as Sakura when it comes to uselessness for the most part, not including his newfound power which Kaguya did not know about until after seeing it in action.
Your Neji example doesn't work. The attacks he was dodging were coming from the same direction, and at the same pace with different intervals from one another, totally different from the scenario i was referring to. Besides, the real life example wasn't to actually use it as a proof in my argument, but more to emphasize the body reaction reaction limit that exist after a certain pattern of physical reaction/movement even after mind reaction
Read the scans, they were coming from different directions. Not to mention the same argument holds for that Kaguya battle. Kakashi attacked first, then Naruto and Sasuke attempted to close the distance but Kaguya flew upwards. All of this requires time and is a sequence. Kaguya could still react even under those dire circumstances against god tier shinobi yet she somehow couldn't react to Sakura after getting some breathing space, makes no sense to me.
I don't care about the Kakashi/Sasuke discussion. I was only emphasizing the fact that the comparison Sakura/Kaguya/Kakashi to support an argument was a ridiculous one
Too bad this sh!t is based on your argument that Kakashis and Sakuras cases are one and the same which they don't. lol. KG and his logic strikes again Lol
But the distance wasn't that big. If it was that big, than a long time passed with Sakura in freefall motion which contradicts your argument where you imply all this happened nigh instantly.
Kaguya still had enough time to react to someone who isn't even on Minato/Ay/Gai level of speed, whom she can react to with even less time/distance than when she noticed Sakura. Kaguya wasn't being pressured by Kakashi at that point in time so there were only two god tier characters that were pressuring her. Not to mention your argument fails to hold credibility when you realize Kaguya had already escaped Naruto/Sasuke and had relieved herself of them for the time being.
Kakashi failed to react to someone as fast as him. Sakura is no where near as fast as Kaguya though and a part one Sakura who is far slower than part one Kakashi wouldn't be able to replicate Zabuza catching Kakashi off guard in that same situation.
No he didn't. He only received that power afterwards. He was in the same boat as Sakura when it comes to uselessness for the most part, not including his newfound power which Kaguya did not know about until after seeing it in action.
Read the scans, they were coming from different directions. Not to mention the same argument holds for that Kaguya battle. Kakashi attacked first, then Naruto and Sasuke attempted to close the distance but Kaguya flew upwards. All of this requires time and is a sequence. Kaguya could still react even under those dire circumstances against god tier shinobi yet she somehow couldn't react to Sakura after getting some breathing space, makes no sense to me.
Then don't post without understanding the context of the fallacious argument you are trying to correct, that simple.
She didnt see Sakura as a threat, she ignored her and did not realize a punch from her would have enough power to hold her down.
Against Kakashi she saw him as a threat as she had attacked him with ash bones beforehand but then could not react to his next attack.
Difference is Sakura was thought to be no threat to her so she was ignored. Kakashi however was not ignored, she already attacked him once but then she let him strike through her? Its obvious she could not stop him.
She didnt see Sakura as a threat, she ignored her and did not realize a punch from her would have enough power to hold her down.
Against Kakashi she saw him as a threat as she had attacked him with ash bones beforehand but then could not react to his next attack.
Difference is Sakura was thought to be no threat to her so she was ignored. Kakashi however was not ignored, she already attacked him once but then she let him strike through her? Its obvious she could not stop him.
who mentioned Naruto now ,i am talking about sasuke and yes there a feat
Lol. This whole paragraph and you literally didn't address anything. Sakura did the same thing. Guess Sakura=Kakashi>Sasuke in speed now. Concession accepted fapboy. If Kakashi blitzed Kaguya, then Sakura did too.
He didn't react to Kaguya as he made no move of her own, period. He only cut her after phasing through her ash bone attack. Him landing an attack only means that he landed an attack. Why she didn't bother to counter is left up to interpretation. Your interpretation, sadly, is pure garbage and makes zero sense.
i suggest you acting like a man and instead of crying about sakura ,bring us a feat for sasuke that can compete with kakashi's ,oh wait ,you cant ,that is why you mentioned sakura in the first place ,the next time when you are gonna flame someone ,make sure first that you can prove him wrong or you would look like a retard fool just like you are now
i dont have to ,but skura case is completly different from kakashi's ,not when kaguya who kakashi hit wasnt evading the only two people who can seal her not when kaguya who kakashi hit was staring directly at kakashi before he even used his shunshin
of course ,kakashi reacted or he wouldnt have used raikeri and shunshin's towards her .
That's a battle scenario. The Kakashi nonsense isn't. Then there's the fact that scan only references movement speed. Reaction speed is something another scan perfectly illustrates. Lmao. I hate Kakashi fapboys.
battle scenario? God ,that isnt a scan of them playing basketball ,BZ was in front of Minato and Kakashi for a while .here he appeared for the first time in the end of chapter 655
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and it was chapter 656 page 11 when he tried to take obito's rinningan
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,they were certainly ready ,get the twist out of here,not like if Naruto was the serious one when sasuke matched him ,that how naruto was a second before sasuke reacted as fast as him
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, literally clown mode naruto,not to mention that there was no more jiubi shit around naruto and sasuke then ,but when sakura was in danger ,both of them reacted and moved as fast ,that is nearly what happened with kakashi and minato except that minato was much more serious than naruto ,so stop twisting in oder to make kakashi and minato's case look different from sasuke and naruto's one.
i want talk about the tracking and sussano movements part ,sasuke's tracking ability is certainly better than kakashi thanks to his choku tome sharingan ,what concern me here is sasuke reacting mentally to flying JJ Obito and slightly turning his head,a feat that kakashi has exactly one like (no to mention kakashi's condition then and sasuke's having the cloak)
here, JJ Madara was just few meters from kakashi and kakashi still wasnt aware about him.
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here kakashi noticed madara behind him (the shock mark),turned his head and saw Madara so he got surprised (the !? mark)
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the same mark madara had here when he felt tobirama beind him.
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Sasuke uses Susanoo and Shunshns in front of Naruto before Minato can use Hiraishin.
Kakashi has no feat that'd make him as fast as EMS Sasuke. When he can react to Obito, then we can talk. When he displays Shunshin feats on Sasuke's level, then we can talk. When he can actually legit blitz Kaguya, then we can talk. You are crying about accepting feats, but you are ignoring Sakura's feat and giving it to Kakashi because you want to slurp on the guy's picture on your screen. Either you admit Sakura can blitz Kaugya, or you stfu and drop your shitty argument. That simple.
-nope ,he has ,stop twisting and you will see it .
-gudoma extension is really that fast ,even naruto's chakra arms which was evaded by obito from point blank range
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, are faster than it
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,so shunshing in front of it isnt that impressive really.
-kakashi doesnt need to blitze kaguya to be faster than sasuke Lol ,his feats is enough.
-stop complaining about kakashi fapboys when you can even prove them wrong.
who mentioned Naruto now ,i am talking about sasuke and yes there a feat
i suggest you acting like a man and instead of crying about sakura ,bring us a feat for sasuke that can compete with kakashi's ,oh wait ,you cant ,that is why you mentioned sakura in the first place ,the next time when you are gonna flame someone ,make sure first that you can prove him wrong or you would look like a retard fool just like you are now
Lol, what a bitch. I'm not a man cause I won't bend over and take Kakashi's D in the ass like you have? Ironic and ridiculous. When you can show me how Sakura's case is different, then we can talk.
i dont have to ,but skura case is completly different from kakashi's ,not when kaguya who kakashi hit wasnt evading the only two people who can seal her not when kaguya who kakashi hit was staring directly at kakashi before he even used his shunshin
She didn't do anything, so there was nothing to react to. Lol.
battle scenario? God ,that isnt a scan of them playing basketball ,BZ was in front of Minato and Kakashi for a while .here he appeared for the first time in the end of chapter 655
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and it was chapter 656 page 11 when he tried to take obito's rinningan
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,they were certainly ready ,get the twist out of here,not like if Naruto was the serious one when sasuke matched him ,that how naruto was a second before sasuke reacted as fast as him
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, literally clown mode naruto,not to mention that there was no more jiubi shit around naruto and sasuke then ,but when sakura was in danger ,both of them reacted and moved as fast ,that is nearly what happened with kakashi and minato except that minato was much more serious than naruto ,so stop twisting in oder to make kakashi and minato's case look different from sasuke and naruto's one.
i want talk about the tracking and sussano movements part ,sasuke's tracking ability is certainly better than kakashi thanks to his choku tome sharingan ,what concern me here is sasuke reacting mentally to flying JJ Obito and slightly turning his head,a feat that kakashi has exactly one like (no to mention kakashi's condition then and sasuke's having the cloak)
here, JJ Madara was just few meters from kakashi and kakashi still wasnt aware about him.
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here kakashi noticed madara behind him (the shock mark),turned his head and saw Madara so he got surprised (the !? mark)
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the same mark madara had here when he felt tobirama beind him.
Kakashi turned his head back only to find Madara there. Not a reaction feat. Him happening to turn around isn't a reaction feat. Him noticing Madara comes after he actually sees him behind him.
but of course, idiotic Kakashi fapkids like you will try to tell me that Kakashi can react to JJ Madara despite faster people being blitzed by slower people. Despite his tracking and reactions being inferior to Sasuke's. Lmfao. GTFO kid. You sound like a dumbass. Not going to entertain the notion that Kakashi is fast enough to react to Juubi Jins.
-nope ,he has ,stop twisting and you will see it .
There's nothing to prove wrong. Just a bunch of fapboys having their little circle jerk. Don't expect another reply. Arguing with fanboys is, as usual, nothing but a waste of my time.
Oh c'mon, you gonna tell me that you can't look at pictures now? Not only is the blindspot nowhere near large enough to fit sakura but it's not even a blindspot from ABOVE, sakura hit her from ABOVE. Learn to read, learn to interpret scans & pictures.
Sakura's body is small enough to slip through it until this point (the spot where the red bar is).
Hey genius, this is irrelevant. Point is she had an exclamation mark BEFORE she got hit, meaning she noticed sakura BEFORE she made contact, not that hard to understand.
I mistook the point in the manga in which Sakura hit Kaguya. Kaguya was actually in a strengthened state, though was injured pretty badly by Kakashi.
Lol & Even when trying to save face your points remain irrelevant. Being injured didn't in any way hinder her flight speed, so the situation didn't change.
No, fan-made sites aren't usable, hence the word 'fan-made,' otherwise I'd be using it all the time.
So you must still be in middle school or something, should've known considering you don't even now what
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The primary ability of the Byakugan gives the user a near 360º field of vision, except for one blind spot at the back of the neck above the first thoracic vertebra.[5]
That quote is taken directly from the site, has it's own statement, & the "[5]" is what you click on to find the original text. That's called an ANNOTATION. If a claim from the wiki isn't an annotation then it's simply not true [indicated by the #, providing a source].
Honestly, this horrendous logic is like saying I can't take a quote from someone on THIS SITE even if it has links from the MANGA as fact simply because this site is "fan-made". Jesus you gonna show us any more of that brilliant logic of yours? Lol
Doing my own research has nothing to do with you posting something from a fan-made site, it's just an excuse because you don't want to get busted for using it.
Read above. Using the fan-made site isn't the problem, using statements on a fan-made site w/o evidence is the only problem here, & I'm not doing that. So stop complaining because anybody w/ any sort of sense would see how ridiculous you look right now.
Kaguya didn't dodge her because she wasn't expecting to be punched, exclamation marks on her head when Sakura punched her as proof.
Lmfao no, no it's not, the fact that she had exclamation mark above her head BEFORE sakura hits her proves that she noticed her BEFORE. The exclamation mark she had after she got hit is irrelevant & doesn't prove your claim in any way.
Lol So because kakashi has rikudou chakra everything all just so happens to magically make sense? Please just stop, sasuke's boost >>> kakashi's boost therefore sasuke's footspeed/striking speed/reaction speed >>> kakashi's speed in those categories. Ameno >>> Kamui in terms of speed, therefore kakashi being faster than sasuke is the only thing here that makes no sense. There literally isn't a single speed category that kakashi surpasses sasuke in, & having rikudou chakra means sh*t here because it doesn't prove that kakashi is faster.
You going to prove your bullsh*t anytime soon? She sensed sakura, you can't do a single thing to prove otherwise.
A worthy mention is that Sakura was in Kakashi's Susano'o, which means she was surounded in chakra that wasn't hers, and thus Kaguya may have only sensed the Susano'o's chakra, but that is merely speculation.
Are you reta- Oh wait...You may very well be, I forgot...Lol
I was talking about the whole fight, meaning this applies to kakashi too. Smh..
Not to mention that she propelled herself in the air fast enough to dodge the two, I wonder if she even could have dodged considering how physics works.
Gravity doesn't apply when you have access to flight, all she had to do was move forward or backwards which is easily achievable considering we've never seen a character w/ flight have a hard time changing their trajectory while flying in a specific direction.
Kakashi stayed intangible as he passed through her, she got hit by the Kamui Rakiri, but he didn't become 'tangible.'
You're so ridiculously stupid, this isn't even fun anymore. I give you proof that kaguya DOES tank attacks, I give you proof that she had NO IDEA how kamui raikiri works, then I tell you to prove to me that she wasn't planning on tanking kakashi's attack like she has before, & this is what you give me........ Honestly just log off, no rebuttal = concession.
-Calls my arguments sh*tty
-Has no arguments of his own
Lol What a clown.
Never did I try to change the point. I said it was PIS that Sakura hurt Kaguya, and that Gai's Taijutsu was a special case because he opened the 8th Gate.
Then I proved this sh*t wrong & you tried to make it sound like I'm saying sakura = 8G gai. So yes you did try to change the point, or rather tried to stand up a straw man [another fallacy] keep up.
I can follow my own arguments fine, it's you who can't do that.
Obito had a little of Juubi's chakra left over because his chakra merged with the Juubi's chakra upon becoming a Jin, just as it is for all Jinchuriki.
1. Just because obito's chakra "merged" w/ the juubi doesn't mean he kept some of it post extraction. Prove it.
2. No that's not how it is for all jinchuuriki, did naruto keep any of yang kurama post extraction? Did madara keep any juubi chakra post extraction? Stop grasping at straws & realize when you have no point.
Are you serious??? Please for the love of everything well & good in the world tell me you're not serious right now. How does naruto having a chakra cloak from kurama = him getting a chakra refill? If naruto's chakra was refilled, he'd have RSM activated, kurama only had enough chakra to produce a small chakra cloak for naruto, not nearly enough to fill his entire reserves. Hell kurama even mentions how low naruto's chakra is at that point.
Naruto is clearly exhausted here, he's even breathing heavily if I'm not mistaken.
Merely stating that it's a possibility that Kakashi could do that, considering that its been shown that one can pass through the long range Kamui from both sides, and that with the short range Kamui one can teleport themselves to the Kamui dimension.
Because of the sh*t grammar, I already mentioned it.
You gave me a DB entry stating that Kamui Raikiri doesn't make Kakashi faster, than mention that Kamui isn't mentioned as being used to move or make Kakashi move faster.
I only did this after your poorly worded claim regarding kamui raikiri, I responded w/ what I quoted previously then you said this: "One moment he was a fair bit away from Kaguya, the next this happened." Then you showed me kaguya getting hit, as if to imply kamui did something to make him faster. That's when I posted the DB scan, but if you never wanted kakashi's kamui/kamui raikiri to boost his speed then you would've dropped the claim before I even brought in the DB page in the first place.
Conclusion, the only one responsible for people misinterpreting your point is you.
What I said, is that Kamui Raikiri doesn't make Kakashi faster, at all, it merely allows him to stay intangible as it hits his target.
Okay, all the above aside this is still completely irrelevant. Being intangible doesn't boost his speed so back to the main point, your logic suggests that a 3T rikudou enhanced kakashi's footspeed > sasuke's footspeed & striking speed, since kakashi can blitz kaguya w/o using kamui to boost his speed while sasuke can't & he even used ameno.
Its been shown you can teleport with the Kamui, thus why I said that Kakashi with Kamui is faster than Sasuke.
Not only that, but another reason why I said that is because unlike Sasuke who actually has to strike his enemy, Kakashi doesn't and merely passes through them as his Kamui Raikiri hurts (even kills) his target.
Again that's irrelevant, you're telling me that kakashi's footspeed surpasses rinnegan sasuke's striking speed at point blank range w/ this logic, since kamui didn't so anything to increase kakashi's speed, the only thing that boosted it was rikudou chakra.
I'm not even bias with Kakashi, heck I actually like Sasuke more than I do Kakashi, Sasuke's like my favourite character besides Nagato, Itachi, Minato and Naruto.
I don't care, all this tells me then is that you're ignorant & hate to be proven wrong. Either that or you are indeed a fanboy, but if you're not then as I said I must've rustled your jimmies & you just don't want to give up despite it making you look worse after each post.
Sh*tty grammar =/= incomprehensible grammar. Even if you think my grammar is sh*tty at least people [including you] can understand what I'm saying, unfortunately can't say the same thing for you.
Mine is a lot better then from what you've seen, but I can't be bothered to be perfect with it on this forum.
Then use proper english, it doesn't take more than a few seconds to look over your own words & see if they make sense grammatically. I honestly feel like I'm talking to an 8th grader.
Lol You're "saving" your great grammar? Oh boy, never heard that one before. You know that writing is a skill right? It only gets better the more you train it. You'd only be benefiting yourself by exercising proper english whenever you write/type something up & you'd just be diminishing that skill by posting sloppy responses.
when Madara came to take his eyes is a better speed feat than Minato throwing a kunai against Ay thus non Rikudo Kakashi is faster than base Minato. Going by their logic, Sakura>base Kakashi>base Minato when it comes to speed because Sakura was able to actually shunshin twice before having to get saved from Kaguya's chakra arms.
Oh c'mon, you gonna tell me that you can't look at pictures now? Not only is the blindspot nowhere near large enough to fit sakura but it's not even a blindspot from ABOVE, sakura hit her from ABOVE. Learn to read, learn to interpret scans & pictures.
Nope, the blindspot doesn't even cover the top of kaguya's head so again you have no point.
Hey genius, this is irrelevant. Point is she had an exclamation mark BEFORE she got hit, meaning she noticed sakura BEFORE she made contact, not that hard to understand.
The blind-spot until the red bar area seems just about large enough for someone as small and lithe as Sakura to slip through.
Sakura hit her in the neck area unless I'm mistaken.
The exclamation marks when she got hit merely proves she either wasn't expecting to be hit, or that she didn't expect to get hurt.
Lol & Even when trying to save face your points remain irrelevant. Being injured didn't in any way hinder her flight speed, so the situation didn't change.
So you must still be in middle school or something, should've known considering you don't even now what
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That quote is taken directly from the site, has it's own statement, & the "[5]" is what you click on to find the original text. That's called an ANNOTATION. If a claim from the wiki isn't an annotation then it's simply not true [indicated by the #, providing a source].
Honestly, this horrendous logic is like saying I can't take a quote from someone on THIS SITE even if it has links from the MANGA as fact simply because this site is "fan-made". Jesus you gonna show us any more of that brilliant logic of yours? Lol
I perfectly know what annotations are; and I'm not in middle school mate.
I never even looked at the wiki page you posted. The wiki being a fan-made site makes me think 'don't look at it!'
Unless it is absolutely backed up by evidence than I don't consider it usable, I doubt I'd get away with using it if I did anyway.
Lol So because kakashi has rikudou chakra everything all just so happens to magically make sense? Please just stop, sasuke's boost >>> kakashi's boost therefore sasuke's footspeed/striking speed/reaction speed >>> kakashi's speed in those categories. Ameno >>> Kamui in terms of speed, therefore kakashi being faster than sasuke is the only thing here that makes no sense. There literally isn't a single speed category that kakashi surpasses sasuke in, & having rikudou chakra means sh*t here because it doesn't prove that kakashi is faster.
Kamui is one of the most hax abilities in the entire Manga, the Jutsu being amplified by something as strong as Rikudou chakra means it's going to be really powerful.
I never said that Sasuke's foot/striking speed wasn't faster than Kakashi's own foot/striking speed. What I did say was that Kakashi with Kamui is comparable, if not faster than Sasuke's foot/striking speed.
You going to prove your bullsh*t anytime soon? She sensed sakura, you can't do a single thing to prove otherwise.
1. Irrelevant, sakura has to build up chakra in her fist in order to use CES, kaguya would've sensed the build up.
2. Byakugan.
3. Don't mention any points if they're speculation. There's no room for speculation in debates regarding facts.
Are you reta- Oh wait...You may very well be, I forgot...Lol
I was talking about the whole fight, meaning this applies to kakashi too. Smh..
Maybe if you can prove she even did sense Sakura my friend.
1. Either Kaguya for some reason didn't sense the build up, or opted to tank it.
2. Blind-spot.
3. It's a fairly logical conclusion though.
No, I'm not a retard.
Different circumstances. When Kakashi blitzed Kaguya she was a fair ways away from Naruto and Sasuke and didn't have to deal with them at the time. Whereas with Sakura's case Naruto and Sasuke were within arm's length of Kaguya when she propelled herself upwards fast enough to dodge them. Physics says she wouldn't have been able to dodge Sakura because of that reason.
Gravity doesn't apply when you have access to flight, all she had to do was move forward or backwards which is easily achievable considering we've never seen a character w/ flight have a hard time changing their trajectory while flying in a specific direction.
You're so ridiculously stupid, this isn't even fun anymore. I give you proof that kaguya DOES tank attacks, I give you proof that she had NO IDEA how kamui raikiri works, then I tell you to prove to me that she wasn't planning on tanking kakashi's attack like she has before, & this is what you give me........ Honestly just log off, no rebuttal = concession.
No, my logic is Sasuke (with Amenotejikara)>>Sasuke (foot/striking speed) and Kakashi>>Sakura (I edited the previous post).
I have arguments of my own thank you very much.
Then I proved this sh*t wrong & you tried to make it sound like I'm saying sakura = 8G gai. So yes you did try to change the point, or rather tried to stand up a straw man [another fallacy] keep up.
Obviously not. Lel
1. Just because obito's chakra "merged" w/ the juubi doesn't mean he kept some of it post extraction. Prove it.
2. No that's not how it is for all jinchuuriki, did naruto keep any of yang kurama post extraction? Did madara keep any juubi chakra post extraction? Stop grasping at straws & realize when you have no point.
Never did. Merely stated that Gai's ability to hurt Madara was because of the 8th Gate and not because it was Taijutsu, and that Sakura Taijutsu doesn't equate to Gai's 8th Gates special capabilities.
Jinchuriki's chakra merge with their Bijuu's mate, it's common knowledge. Thus why I said that a little bit of residue was left over.
Are you serious??? Please for the love of everything well & good in the world tell me you're not serious right now. How does naruto having a chakra cloak from kurama = him getting a chakra refill? If naruto's chakra was refilled, he'd have RSM activated, kurama only had enough chakra to produce a small chakra cloak for naruto, not nearly enough to fill his entire reserves. Hell kurama even mentions how low naruto's chakra is at that point.
Because he was low on chakra, kurama himself states it.
Naruto was given more chakra by Kurama throughout the war arc, yet even with the chakra refills he was still tired. That is my argument for why chakra doesn't equate not being tired anymore.
Irrelevant, if you can't prove that it's what he did then nothing suggests he didn't charge kaguya like he normally would, possibility or not.
Because of the sh*t grammar, I already mentioned it.
I only did this after your poorly worded claim regarding kamui raikiri, I responded w/ what I quoted previously then you said this: "One moment he was a fair bit away from Kaguya, the next this happened." Then you showed me kaguya getting hit, as if to imply kamui did something to make him faster. That's when I posted the DB scan, but if you never wanted kakashi's kamui/kamui raikiri to boost his speed then you would've dropped the claim before I even brought in the DB page in the first place.
Conclusion, the only one responsible for people misinterpreting your point is you.
Okay, all the above aside this is still completely irrelevant. Being intangible doesn't boost his speed so back to the main point, your logic suggests that a 3T rikudou enhanced kakashi's footspeed > sasuke's footspeed & striking speed, since kakashi can blitz kaguya w/o using kamui to boost his speed while sasuke can't & he even used ameno.
Because we didn't see him charge, one moment he was at one spot and the next he had just gone through Kaguya.
This was what I posted.
DMS Kakashi's Kamui surpasses Sasuke's foot/striking speed considering he doesn't have to solidify to hurt his opponent, or he needs to do is use Kamui Raikiri.
Never even implied Kamui made him faster. What I did mean was that because he can stay intangible as his Raikiri hits his opponent, than he doesn't actually have to physically hit them, thus why I say that Kakashi with Kamui is comparable or faster than Sasuke's foot/striking speed.
Bold. I posted that to show that it's very possible that Kakashi used Kamui to teleport to Kaguya.
:erm: Never even mentioned Kakashi's foot speed.
It doesn't matter anyway since VOTE2 Sasuke (the one that wasn't holding back) is faster.
But he didn't, so it's irrelevant.
Again that's irrelevant, you're telling me that kakashi's footspeed surpasses rinnegan sasuke's striking speed at point blank range w/ this logic, since kamui didn't so anything to increase kakashi's speed, the only thing that boosted it was rikudou chakra.
I don't care, all this tells me then is that you're ignorant & hate to be proven wrong. Either that or you are indeed a fanboy, but if you're not then as I said I must've rustled your jimmies & you just don't want to give up despite it making you look worse after each post.
Sh*tty grammar =/= incomprehensible grammar. Even if you think my grammar is sh*tty at least people [including you] can understand what I'm saying, unfortunately can't say the same thing for you.
Then use proper english, it doesn't take more than a few seconds to look over your own words & see if they make sense grammatically. I honestly feel like I'm talking to an 8th grader.
Lol You're "saving" your great grammar? Oh boy, never heard that one before. You know that writing is a skill right? It only gets better the more you train it. You'd only be benefiting yourself by exercising proper english whenever you write/type something up & you'd just be diminishing that skill by posting sloppy responses.
It's very possible that he did teleport to Kaguya.
Bold. Never stated that.
I don't like being proven wrong, but when push comes to shove I can admit defeat.
My grammar is incomprehensible?
And yes your grammar can be shit sometimes, but it's still better than some of the other people on the site..
I'm a lazy bastard that doesn't feel motivated to use proper grammar for anything but when I write my books/stories. Sometimes I try hard but it just doesn't work. I don't know why.
The grammar I use for debates is pretty mediocre. I was comparing the grammar I can employ compared to the grammar I use in debates.
Hopefully you've seen an improvement in my grammar, as I did try.
O_O I can't believe this was all overlooked...? Sakura is definitely god-tier & surpasses DMS kakashi w/ those feats. U_U
Too bad this sh!t is based on your argument that Kakashis and Sakuras cases are one and the same which they don't. lol. KG and his logic strikes again Lol
They are. You, wael reda, Bogard and the rest of the Kakashi fanboys aren't going to change that. It's amazing how many idiotic excuses you clowns will try to make to justify something that we all know makes zero sense.
Kaguya still had enough time to react to someone who isn't even on Minato/Ay/Gai level of speed, whom she can react to with even less time/distance than when she noticed Sakura. Kaguya wasn't being pressured by Kakashi at that point in time so there were only two god tier characters that were pressuring her. Not to mention your argument fails to hold credibility when you realize Kaguya had already escaped Naruto/Sasuke and had relieved herself of them for the time being.
Kakashi failed to react to someone as fast as him. Sakura is no where near as fast as Kaguya though and a part one Sakura who is far slower than part one Kakashi wouldn't be able to replicate Zabuza catching Kakashi off guard in that same situation.
Didn't know kunais were as fast as Sakura, let alone Kakashi. The difference in speed between kunai and Sakura isn't that different than the speed between Sakura and Kaguya
No he didn't. He only received that power afterwards. He was in the same boat as Sakura when it comes to uselessness for the most part, not including his newfound power which Kaguya did not know about until after seeing it in action.
Kaguya attacked Kakashi in a one on one. That alone shows she viewed him as a threat. Not the same thing with Sakura who got ignored
Read the scans, they were coming from different directions. Not to mention the same argument holds for that Kaguya battle. Kakashi attacked first, then Naruto and Sasuke attempted to close the distance but Kaguya flew upwards. All of this requires time and is a sequence. Kaguya could still react even under those dire circumstances against god tier shinobi yet she somehow couldn't react to Sakura after getting some breathing space, makes no sense to me.
They are coming from different direction at complete different intervals from one another. The singular group that Neji was evading one after the other was coming in a singular direction. It's what i meant. And no, it's not the same thing with Sakura-Kaguya circumstance since like i've mentioned, she was coming out of a multi-tasking reflexive move
Then don't post without understanding the context of the fallacious argument you are trying to correct, that simple.
It's not like i was discussing over your Sasuke/Kakashi subject no, i just pointed out the fact that Salterate, MoronGamer and the rest of idiotic posters in this topic are using crap logics. It's amazing however how many idiotic excuses you clowns will try to make to justify something that we all know makes zero sense.
^ Lol, look at this clown making a fool of himself, as usual. "Multi tasking reflexive move"? Can we not give whatever name we want to an action to make our argument not seem as stupid as everybody knows it does? She wasn't multi tasking. Learn the fucking phrase means before you use it.
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Where the fuck did Kaguya perform multiple tasks? Oh wait, nowhere. She performed one task. Flying upwards. That's it. Her evading 2 people in the process of carrying out her one action doesn't mean that she was multi tasking. And reflexive movement? Not sure if you are using flavor words to make this shit seem more complex than it is, but all she did was FLY UPWARDS. Not even at top speed. So don't give me that bullshit about her "not being able to react because she was moving too fast, or because she was in the middle of doing something". Lmao. Especially when the person she failed to evade is a good 3-4 speed tiers below her.
All this distance, and you are telling me that Kaguya, who is on the speed tier of Juubi Jins, couldn't counter attack against Sakura? Who is a 2 tiers below the likes of KCM Naruto in speed, who is nowhere near Juubi Jins like Obito let alone Kaguya? Despite people like Madara being able to react to surprise attacks from less than a meter away? Lmao, you sound stupid as all hell.
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And you people need to stop with the shitty "ignored" excuse. That excuse works if Kaguya wasn't the one who was being attacked. Kaguya didn't bother to kill Sakura directly because she wasn't concerned about her, but if someone attacks you, you will retaliate or defend yourself. It's really that simple. It's crazy how you people think she "let" Sakura hit her because she didn't "think" Sakura could do anything despite the delicate situation she was in. Because not doing anything is better than doing something if you have the option. Sakura can't hurt Madara, yet Madara retaliated when she attacked.
Lmao. But you fanboys just won't quit with the BS arguments. I guess you go full retard whenever your favorites are involved.
It absolutely makes zero sense lumping Kakshi and Sakura's feats together. I don't even see how you can see it that way.
Kaguya ignored Sakura, Sakura could not pose any threat to her, no sage chakra nothing. Kaguya did not ignore Kakashi, she tried to stop him and then he cut through her. She did not let that happen for whatever reason(lol), she couldn't do anything against it.
Kakashi took her head on while Sakura hit her when she was focused on naruto and Sasuke. There are so many differences.
It absolutely makes zero sense lumping Kakshi and Sakura's feats together. I don't even see how you can see it that way.
Kaguya ignored Sakura, Sakura could not pose any threat to her, no sage chakra nothing. Kaguya did not ignore Kakashi, she tried to stop him and then he cut through her. She did not let that happen for whatever reason(lol), she couldn't do anything against it.
Kakashi took her head on while Sakura hit her when she was focused on naruto and Sasuke. There are so many differences.
