Kids and Gender Neutral

[Yubel]

Is that supposed to mean something?

Yes I was quoting someone, unless you have something to add you need to stfu.

 

[Songbird Supreme]

Yes I was quoting someone, unless you have something to add you need to stfu.

I do have something to add. Here it is:

Spoiler

You're a fucking retard.

 

[Yubel]

I do have something to add. Here it is:

Spoiler

You're a fucking retard.

Ad hominem only works if the other person gives a shit about your opinion.

 

[Songbird Supreme]

Ad hominem only works if the other person gives a shit about your opinion.

Then don't bother trying to use any.

 

[shelke]

Snip

First of all, I am unsure what you mean by delusion but fear is a very common human response to the unknown or the factor of uncertainty. Like for example how people fear death or joblessness, poverty as you do not know whether you might claw your way up from that rut in the case of the latter two. It's a very normal response. I am guessing you are linking insecurity to the next paragraph? I'll respond to it there.

This paragraph has little to do with roles of masculinity and femininity and a lot to do with societal pressures of what is successful and what isn't and the phenomenon of lower workman force. Nietzsche's student - a proponent of his philosophy - showed shock at the concept of people who worked far more during the day had little to no wages compared to those who had little working hours and made lot more. What this kind of social hierarchy creates is the notion of social inequality.

People from the lower strata feel cheated by the system and desire more. I would understand the insecurity of a man who cannot even afford decent clothes and wears shoes worn thin by use; in short, he has a frugal existence. The capitalistic system has created such an obscene division and the media and the value system of humanity in general is built on decadence and hedonistic life-style. People are conditioned into thinking that more cars and more money means happiness. Hence, this mantra becomes the raison d’etre for their existence.

Contentment is a word for those who have enough on their plate. I do understand where you are coming from that the rich do not need to get richer, but you cannot tell me that a poor man - or middle to lower middle class individuals - has no right make a better living and that he should feel self-satisfied. That is an arrogant claim to make, given that you and I are people who at least possess the basic commodities of life.

You believe getting a job is easy? I know quite a few people who have PHD degrees and they were working as gardeners, with barely enough wages to survive. With the population boom, there are so many Men and so few posts. So many are left unemployed. It's a race; first come first basis. Merits are also there, so the radius for the availability of jobs is made smaller and smaller. It's very childish of you to suggest this that given these odds people shouldn't even fear unemployment when so many people commit suicide when they, despite repeated tries, not only find no employment but their business ventures fail as well.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your delusion paragraph. You basically ended up contradicting yourself. In fear and job paragraph, you don't want people to fear. Meaning, they have to have a positive attitude that they need to keep trying and one of their arrows would hit the mark. On the other hand, you are stating that this positive attitude is delusional? I don't like over-confidence and extreme optimism as well; it's unrealistic. But to suggest that a man shouldn't have optimism that if he lost a job and that his tries would create a safety net for him is sheer lunacy. Should he commit suicide then? Or start the universal profession of a mendicant? I mean, no fear at least that is there to catch him. Good grief, dude.

What is a real man? As all your previous paragraphs have little to do with masculinity. You have mishmashed social demands and optimism and normal human responses and somehow, I don't know how, connected them with gender roles. I am truly lost.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your last three paragraphs. They don't make much sense. No sense, in fact. You have a very simplistic view towards life. I suggest you broaden it.

 

[Songbird Supreme]

Spoiler

First of all, I am unsure what you mean by delusion but fear is a very common human response to the unknown or the factor of uncertainty. Like for example how people fear death or joblessness, poverty as you do not know whether you might claw your way up from that rut in the case of the latter two. It's a very normal response. I am guessing you are linking insecurity to the next paragraph? I'll respond to it there.

This paragraph has little to do with roles of masculinity and femininity and a lot to do with societal pressures of what is successful and what isn't and the phenomenon of lower workman force. Nietzsche's student - a proponent of his philosophy - showed shock at the concept of people who worked far more during the day had little to no wages compared to those who had little working hours and made lot more. What this kind of social hierarchy creates is the notion of social inequality.

People from the lower strata feel cheated by the system and desire more. I would understand the insecurity of a man who cannot even afford decent clothes and wears shoes worn thin by use; in short, he has a frugal existence. The capitalistic system has created such an obscene division and the media and the value system of humanity in general is built on decadence and hedonistic life-style. People are conditioned into thinking that more cars and more money means happiness. Hence, this mantra becomes the raison d’etre for their existence.

Contentment is a word for those who have enough on their plate. I do understand where you are coming from that the rich do not need to get richer, but you cannot tell me that a poor man - or middle to lower middle class individuals - has no right make a better living and that he should feel self-satisfied. That is an arrogant claim to make, given that you and I are people who at least possess the basic commodities of life.

You believe getting a job is easy? I know quite a few people who have PHD degrees and they were working as gardeners, with barely enough wages to survive. With the population boom, there are so many Men and so few posts. So many are left unemployed. It's a race; first come first basis. Merits are also there, so the radius for the availability of jobs is made smaller and smaller. It's very childish of you to suggest this that given these odds people shouldn't even fear unemployment when so many people commit suicide when they, despite repeated tries, not only find no employment but their business ventures fail as well.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your delusion paragraph. You basically ended up contradicting yourself. In fear and job paragraph, you don't want people to fear. Meaning, they have to have a positive attitude that they need to keep trying and one of their arrows would hit the mark. On the other hand, you are stating that this positive attitude is delusional? I don't like over-confidence and extreme optimism as well; it's unrealistic. But to suggest that a man shouldn't have optimism that if he lost a job and that his tries would create a safety net for him is sheer lunacy. Should he commit suicide then? Or start the universal profession of a mendicant? I mean, no fear at least that is there to catch him. Good grief, dude.

What is a real man? As all your previous paragraphs have little to do with masculinity. You have mishmashed social demands and optimism and normal human responses and somehow, I don't know how, connected them with gender roles. I am truly lost.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your last three paragraphs. They don't make much sense. No sense, in fact. You have a very simplistic view towards life. I suggest you broaden it.

Get him together Shelke Lol

 

[Yubel]

First of all, I am unsure what you mean by delusion but fear is a very common human response to the unknown or the factor of uncertainty. Like for example how people fear death or joblessness, poverty as you do not know whether you might claw your way up from that rut in the case of the latter two. It's a very normal response. I am guessing you are linking insecurity to the next paragraph? I'll respond to it there.

This paragraph has little to do with roles of masculinity and femininity and a lot to do with societal pressures of what is successful and what isn't and the phenomenon of lower workman force. Nietzsche's student - a proponent of his philosophy - showed shock at the concept of people who worked far more during the day had little to no wages compared to those who had little working hours and made lot more. What this kind of social hierarchy creates is the notion of social inequality.

People from the lower strata feel cheated by the system and desire more. I would understand the insecurity of a man who cannot even afford decent clothes and wears shoes worn thin by use; in short, he has a frugal existence. The capitalistic system has created such an obscene division and the media and the value system of humanity in general is built on decadence and hedonistic life-style. People are conditioned into thinking that more cars and more money means happiness. Hence, this mantra becomes the raison d’etre for their existence.

Contentment is a word for those who have enough on their plate. I do understand where you are coming from that the rich do not need to get richer, but you cannot tell me that a poor man - or middle to lower middle class individuals - has no right make a better living and that he should feel self-satisfied. That is an arrogant claim to make, given that you and I are people who at least possess the basic commodities of life.

You believe getting a job is easy? I know quite a few people who have PHD degrees and they were working as gardeners, with barely enough wages to survive. With the population boom, there are so many Men and so few posts. So many are left unemployed. It's a race; first come first basis. Merits are also there, so the radius for the availability of jobs is made smaller and smaller. It's very childish of you to suggest this that given these odds people shouldn't even fear unemployment when so many people commit suicide when they, despite repeated tries, not only find no employment but their business ventures fail as well.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your delusion paragraph. You basically ended up contradicting yourself. In fear and job paragraph, you don't want people to fear. Meaning, they have to have a positive attitude that they need to keep trying and one of their arrows would hit the mark. On the other hand, you are stating that this positive attitude is delusional? I don't like over-confidence and extreme optimism as well; it's unrealistic. But to suggest that a man shouldn't have optimism that if he lost a job and that his tries would create a safety net for him is sheer lunacy. Should he commit suicide then? Or start the universal profession of a mendicant? I mean, no fear at least that is there to catch him. Good grief, dude.

What is a real man? As all your previous paragraphs have little to do with masculinity. You have mishmashed social demands and optimism and normal human responses and somehow, I don't know how, connected them with gender roles. I am truly lost.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your last three paragraphs. They don't make much sense. No sense, in fact. You have a very simplistic view towards life. I suggest you broaden it.

We were talking about how modern men are pussified and I layed it out for you in a way you could easily understand. I felt rushed towards the end but I had already made my point, a great way to learn is by contrast and I wrote what a real man is not. I suggest you read it again, I know it's alot to sink in.

 

[shelke]

We were talking about how modern men are pussified and I layed it out for you in a way you could easily understand. I felt rushed towards the end but I had already made my point, a great way to learn is by contrast and I wrote what a real man is not. I suggest you read it again, I know it's alot to sink in.

I read it properly, which is why I replied with a proper response.

 

[Yubel]

I read it properly, which is why I replied with a proper response.

You clearly didn't understand what you read because you took everything out of context.

 

[shelke]

You clearly didn't understand what you read because you took everything out of context.

Whatever you say.

 

[paratise]

This guy is romanticizing a pair of chromosomes and genitalias XD

 

[adeshina365]

This nonsensical issue highlights the poison brought on by secular liberalism and its derivatives. The hour draws near.

 

[Punk Hazard]

To talk about what a real man is, we first need to look at what he is not.
This is insecurity, fear and delusion, these can all be summed up as simply: weakness
On the other hand, we can say that everything a man is can be summed up as strength.

Insecurity creates a need for validation, if you look at the modern man, that's almost all he cares for, external things like getting rich, getting that nice job, getting that promotion, getting a nice car and being envious of another man's success. This way of going about life comes from not believing you're enough, this behavior is a manifestation of your childish need for permission. You can't be happy unless other people qualify you as good enough and even then this is a never-ending struggle because you will always compare yourself to others so you will never be fulfilled.

Fear creates a need for dependency, you work at a job you don't like because you're afraid of what would happen if you lost it because you don't think you can stand on your own feet. Your fear enslaves you to other people because you're incapable of taking full responsibility of your life. This too is a manifestation of your childish need for security, you have a subconcious desire to run back to mommy and daddy when life gets tough. The same way your parents ruled over you when you were a child is the same way everyone in your life will rule over you if you're afraid of taking care of yourself.

Delusion creates a need for comfort, instead of seeing things how they are, most modern men delude themselves into thinking everything will be fine or they outright deny reality when it's staring them in the face. Being delusional might make you feel better but it blinds you to what is actually happening because you can't handle the truth. As with the others this is also a manifestation of your childish need for instant gratification. It's such a passive way to live life, you can't take being uncomfortable and do what it takes so you can be happy afterwards. You're a sheep who is being told lies because you want to. As a child you need everything to be vanilla so you can live in passive consumption. When reality gives you a rude awakening you get angry because you feel life owes you anything. This is a person who is told they're fat but don't want to hear it, this is a person who is told they're going to die if they don't do something but rationalize why they're ok. This is merely one example of countless others that plague modern men.

As you have noticed, these things are all linked to children so these weaknesses in men can more accurately be summed up as boyhood. Men who possess these qualities haven't made the full transition from boyhood to manhood. They haven't become real men yet, perhaps they're men physically(even that is declining nowadays) but on the inside they're still little boys who exhibit the traits of one. So now I believe we have successfully established what a man is not. In order to become a real man you must cut yourself from these boyish traits.

However the process of cutting these things are not a direct and simple process, the bridge that leads to manhood is what is called purpose. As a man, you must have a reason for living, a goal, a dream, a vision, a mission, whatever you want to call it and strive to make that thing a reality. A man who doesn't have a purpose is as good as dead.

When you have a purpose, the journey itself will shed the qualities of boyhood and force you to develop strong principles and habits that will serve you for a lifetime. When you're not insecure, you're happy with yourself. When you're not fearful, you're confident. When you're not delusional you're courageous because it takes courage to face the truth.

When you're on your purpose, you won't be bothered by the insignificant things that worry you on a daily basis, you won't be afraid to stand on your own feet, you won't be comparing yourself to others because you have pride in yourself regardless of external circumstances. You won't be beaten down or depressed aslong as you're making progress.
That's being strong, that's what being a man is.

I love how the things you say make a real man and what doesn't applies to women also in the exact same ways. I don't know what led to this, but I can't wait to see how the topic got from raising in their gender roles to an adult's security concerning his job and social status.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The world doesn't need more feminine guys, most modern men are already pussified.

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The world will be aight.

 

[Yubel]

I love how the things you say make a real man and what doesn't applies to women also in the exact same ways. I don't know what led to this, but I can't wait to see how the topic got from raising in their gender roles to an adult's security concerning his job and social status.

Someone wanted me to explain what being a real man is about because I said most modern men are pussified.
I don't know how much of my post would apply to women but I don't think they'd be able to relate at all.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Someone wanted me to explain what being a real man is about because I said most modern men are pussified.
I don't know how much of my post would apply to women but I don't think they'd be able to relate at all.

Women can relate to all of that dude. Insecurity about their own successes and envy of others', material desires, self-delusion for reality, needing a reason to live, all of that applies to women as well.
If I may ask, how old are you?

 

[Y3LL0WM4GT]

Hmm interesting question. It depends if I get chance to have them which I doubt I will so ... :|:|

 

[paratise]

Someone wanted me to explain what being a real man is about because I said most modern men are pussified.
I don't know how much of my post would apply to women but I don't think they'd be able to relate at all.

You don't really know about women at all...Or see them as people. How do you assume they can relate to one thing or not, what is this assumption is based on?

 

[Yubel]

Women can relate to all of that dude. Insecurity about their own successes and envy of others', material desires, self-delusion for reality, needing a reason to live, all of that applies to women as well.
If I may ask, how old are you?

I'm 20.

You don't really know about women at all...Or see them as people. How do you assume they can relate to one thing or not, what is this assumption is based on?

Yeah I can't say I know much about women at all.

 

[paratise]

Yeah I can't say I know much about women at all.

Thus the plot is resolved.

I am not here to lecture, but if you want to argue about gender matters you might as well know about them. First and most important thing you need to know about women: they are people. Sounds simple but this fact have not sunk in for many men and even women.