[VS] Zoro vs Vergo

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I'd add that people often forget he was also in a terrible state after losing to Blackbeard, getting tortured in ID, and handcuffed by seastones, not to mention having an ability disadvantage against Akainu. People also forget he blocked Aokiji's attack once despite all this, could match Jinbei(who is a monster trio level fighter) as a rookie pirate and thus was most probably much stronger after 2years
But yet he gets blitzed by G2 Luffy now according to some people :lmao:

He can dodge all of Ace's attacks with his G2 or G4 speed. Luffy can one shot Ace if he uses his strongest attacks, like Lion Bazooka.
Ace who can match a top tier in attack power (Kuzan)is not a slouch and his moves aren't being casually dodged when he's being easily tagged by Mingo.
 
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No WTF, Luffy has been a cut above Zoro and Zoro himself has accepted that. In fact Zoro wants Luffy stronger than him.
Since when?? rofl. There has been no "cut above Zoro". Luffy is stronger than Zoro yes. But Cute above aka a level above? no.

- Whispy's peak
- Luffy being shocked that Zoro was defeated
- Zoro being a supernova


I concur. Luffy's G4 has made him pull ahead

Zoro and Sanji are inextricably linked and could never be pulled apart
hmmm that'd be luffy. Bond between Luffy and Zoro is much stronger than Sanji/Zoro. Its been shown over and over.
 
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Since when?? rofl. There has been no "cut above Zoro". Luffy is stronger than Zoro yes. But Cute above aka a level above? no.

- Whispy's peak
- Luffy being shocked that Zoro was defeated
- Zoro being a supernova




hmmm that'd be luffy. Bond between Luffy and Zoro is much stronger than Sanji/Zoro. Its been shown over and over.
The bond? Friendship? Again, no Strawhat is any more or less a friend to Luffy

It's also been shown throughout the series that no matter how strong Zoro's opponent is:
1. Luffy's is miles stronger (e.g. Crocodile >>>> Daz Bones, Enel >>>> Ohm, Lucci >>>> Kaku)
2. Sanji's is ONLY JUST slightly weaker (e.g. Daz Bones > Bon Kurei, Kaku > Jabura)
 

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Since when?? rofl. There has been no "cut above Zoro". Luffy is stronger than Zoro yes. But Cute above aka a level above? no.

- Whispy's peak
- Luffy being shocked that Zoro was defeated
- Zoro being a supernova




hmmm that'd be luffy. Bond between Luffy and Zoro is much stronger than Sanji/Zoro. Its been shown over and over.
Luffy before G4 was stringer than Zoro now he is a cut above him.

- Gag fight
-Please don't you're referring to the Mihawk fight, Luffy didn't know how strong other people where he was naive to think Zoro had a chance
- Being a supernova means nothing unless Law and Apoo are rivals now :lmao:

The bond Luffy and Zoro have is a captain and 1st mate type relationship, they are the first two in the SH. Zoro and Sanji relationship is clearly a relationship between rivals, hence why Luffy and Xoro don't butt heads like typical rivals do.
 

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- Being a supernova means nothing unless Law and Apoo are rivals now :lmao:
Well Kid and Apoo are "rivals" and Kid is most probably stronger than Law. Infact i think Shakky stated in Sabaody that all the supernovas were "rivals". Not that i believe that though
 

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Since when?? rofl. There has been no "cut above Zoro". Luffy is stronger than Zoro yes. But Cute above aka a level above? no.

- Whispy's peak
- Luffy being shocked that Zoro was defeated
- Zoro being a supernova




hmmm that'd be luffy. Bond between Luffy and Zoro is much stronger than Sanji/Zoro. Its been shown over and over.
Supernova is determined by bounty, something Oda went out of his way to ascertain is not directly related to power. It's not something that can be used for power scaling. Kid for example became a Supernova because he was killing innocent civilians left and right.
 
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Well Kid and Apoo are "rivals" and Kid is most probably stronger than Law. Infact i think Shakky stated in Sabaody that all the supernovas were "rivals". Not that i believe that though
Even so, Oda clearly portrayed Law, Kid and Luffy to be far above all of the others

The other 8 are rivals in strength
 

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The bond? Friendship? Again, no Strawhat is any more or less a friend to Luffy

It's also been shown throughout the series that no matter how strong Zoro's opponent is:
1. Luffy's is miles stronger (e.g. Crocodile >>>> Daz Bones, Enel >>>> Ohm, Lucci >>>> Kaku)
2. Sanji's is ONLY JUST slightly weaker (e.g. Daz Bones > Bon Kurei, Kaku > Jabura)
1. No hes not. Crocodile, got lucky against him (and there isn't that big of a difference between Daz Bones and Corc). Enel.. luffy simply happened to be rubber and hence could take him on. Lucci I will give that to you. However, the states of how they ended the fights were totally different Luffy could hardly move, Zoro came out walking. Also, Kaku >> anyone in cp9 except Lucy.


2. Uh no, Sanji is a level below Zoro. There i nothing in the manga that suggests he is on Zoro's level. Him and Zoro have the little comedic rivalry thats it cool. Has nothing to do with them being on the same level. Only person who's strength has been compared to Zoro's within the strawhats is big man Luffy himself. Sanji usually has the "intelligence" factor in fights aka outsmarting or w.e While Zoro wins by completely dominating.

Supernova is determined by bounty, something Oda went out of his way to ascertain is not directly related to power. It's not something that can be used for power scaling. Kid for example became a Supernova because he was killing innocent civilians left and right.
Please do not play the bounty card. Bounty has been a "key " determining factor as far as someone's strength goes. When the bounty goes up, their strength goes up. Thats how its always been.

Time skip = Supernovas got stronger = their bounties went up.

Luffy got stronger = his bounty goes up.

So yea it kind of is a core factor in deciding strength of people who we haven't seen fight completely.
 
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Well Kid and Apoo are "rivals" and Kid is most probably stronger than Law. Infact i think Shakky stated in Sabaody that all the supernovas were "rivals". Not that i believe that though
Kidd and Apoo are rivals simply because of what happened on Sabody not because they're SN, though I do get your point. I doubt Kidd is stronger than Law, if so not by much.

1. No hes not. Crocodile, got lucky against him (and there isn't that big of a difference between Daz Bones and Corc). Enel.. luffy simply happened to be rubber and hence could take him on. Lucci I will give that to you. However, the states of how they ended the fights were totally different Luffy could hardly move, Zoro came out walking.
Croc can literally take on all of Baroque works on and beat them. The difference between Daz and Croc is apparent.
 
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1. No hes not. Crocodile, got lucky against him (and there isn't that big of a difference between Daz Bones and Corc). Enel.. luffy simply happened to be rubber and hence could take him on. Lucci I will give that to you. However, the states of how they ended the fights were totally different Luffy could hardly move, Zoro came out walking. Also, Kaku >> anyone in cp9 except Lucy.


2. Uh no, Sanji is a level below Zoro. There i nothing in the manga that suggests he is on Zoro's level. Him and Zoro have the little comedic rivalry thats it cool. Has nothing to do with them being on the same level. Only person who's strength has been compared to Zoro's within the strawhats is big man Luffy himself. Sanji usually has the "intelligence" factor in fights aka outsmarting or w.e While Zoro wins by completely dominating.



Please do not play the bounty card. Bounty has been a "key " determining factor as far as someone's strength goes. When the bounty goes up, their strength goes up. Thats how its always been.

Time skip = Supernovas got stronger = their bounties went up.

Luffy got stronger = his bounty goes up.

So yea it kind of is a core factor in deciding strength of people who we haven't seen fight completely.
Which explains why Law is stronger than Doflaming-oh, wait.

The very fact that the main deciding factor in Kid's bounty was his slaughtering of innocents is enough proof that it's not a good measure of strength. Luffy beat Croco despite having a lower bounty. Chopper is stronger than Buggy, but has a far lower bounty. Robin has a higher bounty than Sanji, but she's weaker. Bartolomeo is a Supernova, but is weaker than Sanji.

@Bold: that's because Luffy's opponent was almost twice as strong as Zoro's.
 
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Croc can literally take on all of Baroque works on and beat them. The difference between Daz and Croc is apparent.
Never said there wasn't a difference. However, its not as big as people are making it out to be.

Croc man clearly went out of his way to get him. They are similar to Luffy and Zoro.

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1. No hes not. Crocodile, got lucky against him (and there isn't that big of a difference between Daz Bones and Corc). Enel.. luffy simply happened to be rubber and hence could take him on. Lucci I will give that to you. However, the states of how they ended the fights were totally different Luffy could hardly move, Zoro came out walking.


2. Uh no, Sanji is a level below Zoro. There i nothing in the manga that suggests he is on Zoro's level. Him and Zoro have the little comedic rivalry thats it cool. Has nothing to do with them being on the same level.
Are you even thinking before posting? What are you Smoking? I'll have some too please

Luffy's opponents could almost always low diff Zoro's opponents whereas his could probably, in most cases, only just win max diff against Sanji's opponents.

Nothing? Not even the fact they're grouped together? Or the fact he and Zoro both fought opponents in Ennies Lobby that were only 10 or 20 Douriki apart in strength?

Crocodile was on level 6 in Impel Down, Daz was only in level 4, clearly there's a huge gap in strength that's apparent because of that.

Okay bro, seriously, tell me who your dealer is. It must be some pretty good stuff you've got there


Please do not play the bounty card. Bounty has been a "key " determining factor as far as someone's strength goes. When the bounty goes up, their strength goes up. Thats how its always been.

Time skip = Supernovas got stronger = their bounties went up.

Luffy got stronger = his bounty goes up.

So yea it kind of is a core factor in deciding strength of people who we haven't seen fight completely.
Bounties are based on crimes and authority within a criminal group, not strength. Strength comes with authority, but the fact Sanji always seems cut off from the group is the only reason his bounty is so low. He's not involved as much as Zoro and Luffy. If Bounties were a direct reflection of strength then Luffy would be in the 500 mils, Zoro at around 400 mil and Sanji about 5 or 10 mil below that. But because this is not the case, it's clear that Bounties reflect criminal reputation moreso than anything else. This is even stated by Brannew in the Manga back in chapter 70 whatever when the Strawhats get their first bounties.

Timeskip > More crime > Bounties go up

Luffy was inactive over the timeskip, so how would the Marines know he got stronger? How would they even know if he was alive after Sakazuki's attack? He got that bounty, as stated by Jinbe, because of his potential and his massive impact on the Marineford War and the fact the Admirals shit themselves at the thought of what he might become in future.

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Kidd and Apoo are rivals simply because of what happened on Sabody not because they're SN, though I do get your point. I doubt Kidd is stronger than Law, if so not by much.
Well while not certain, Kid always got superior portrayal to Law so far, so it's highly doubtful that he won't be showed as stronger. Though i do think Law is stronger than Apoo
 

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Well while not certain, Kid always got superior portrayal to Law so far, so it's highly doubtful that he won't be showed as stronger. Though i do think Law is stronger than Apoo
Don't see how Kidd's portrayal is better, Sabody put then 3 as around equal while we've barley seen Kidd Post TS.

Never said there wasn't a difference. However, its not as big as people are making it out to be.

Croc man clearly went out of his way to get him. They are similar to Luffy and Zoro.

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It is big Croc can stomp Mr. 1, Croc went out his way because Mr. 1 is his only decently strong subordinate. They are not like Luffy and Zoro because if all of Luffy's crew was at IP he wouldn't only free Zoro.
 
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