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If the result is the same, it doesn't mean the path to achieve that result is the same. Karin can sense fluctuations in chakra caused by emotions, but isn't directly detecting the emotion itself.
Poll: Karin's sesory is on par with BM Naruto's
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And how this disproves my point that sensing chakra =/= sensing emotiins ?
P.S. I'm not deny that Karin made same conclusion as Naruto.
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But Karin did detect the equalivent when she categorized Sasukes chakra as cold (evil or bad) & Naruto's as warm (good or inviting).
Her methods or technique maybe different but she produces the same result or conclusion.
That maybe true but I'm not arguing that Karin can make distinctions purely from emotions, I'm saying that she can determine emotions through sensory. Which she's done.
Karin sensory operates unconsciously and doesn't require her to mound chakra to which Naruto is the opposite of.
Naruto had to obtain BM to do what base Karin can do.
And that is what I agree with.
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Which is at best that.
Of course. That still doesn't change that both of those abilities are different.
That's irrelevant. I still don't see how this proves they are comparable. Karin's ability based on what I have seen is only limited to chakra change. For example, I could have White Zetsu replicate Naruto's warm and bright chakra.
Karin would still reach to a conclusion that it's Naruto since chakra state is all she can base on. Now let's suppose if White Zetsu did the same, only it was to blend into a cluster**** of Shadow Clones. Naruto can still tell exactly which one is White Zetsu since his detection extends to actual emotions within White Zetsu.
Which still doesn't show me how exactly are they comparable.
Which is negative emotion detection. I don't care if it took Naruto to go to KCM since I'm only contrasting the differences. Those are not the same. Why?
Karin is limited to just that, which is determine emotion base on chakra. Her ability works best only if someone doesn't completely change their chakra signature to identical ones like
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.Naruto's ability allows him to detect emotions that can't be fabricated or changed like chakra.
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This is also why Zetsus were able to get through sensors, yet got killed when they were near him. If I see Karin's sensing being able to replicate those feats, then we can talk.
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In power i beleive so.
But she has to actively focus to use her power
I dont think she can sense emotions.
But she has to actively focus to use her power
I dont think she can sense emotions.
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Definitely Naruto.
In KCM Naruto can not only sense Chakra but he can also perceive people's Emotions. Not only that he was able to sense the Four Hokages Chakra in KCM from Countries away.
In KCM Naruto can not only sense Chakra but he can also perceive people's Emotions. Not only that he was able to sense the Four Hokages Chakra in KCM from Countries away.
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Agreed, plus Naruto's strongest sensory is in RSM which has SM and BM sensory abilities fused. Fact is, sensors couldn't detect zetsus around them and these sensors ranged from sensors like Karin, Hyuugas via Byakugan, Kakashi's Sharingan, Kiba's clan smell, and Shino's clan. Naruto goes KM and do what the other sensors couldn't plus he does sense chakra in KM/BM as well; he sensed the Hokages and Itachi/Nagato (who had no ill intent) I believe.
Agreed.
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Again your misdirecting the argument, I'm not implying that they use the same methods. I'm saying they both can depict how someone feels (Naruto is limited to negative feelings while Karin is not).
Naruto senses emotions based on how someone feel's (no chakra observation) while Karin identifies emotions by monitoring the effects emotion put onto chakra (observing chakra).
Two different methods same results.
Karin can do the same thing.
Zetsu's steals chakra and replicates it, Karin is till able to decipher and sense what's she looking and the Zetsu in disguises intent.
Their comparable because they both can figure out someone negative emotions and intent, Karin's ability comes natural unlike Naruto's and isn't limited to negative intent.
Her ability works best only if someone doesn't completely change their chakra signature to identical ones like
^^^^^^^^^^that is an incorrect statement, Zetsu copying someone else's chakra signature doesn't inhibit Karin's sensory from working at it's full potential. Chakra is chakra and when Zetsu copies someone's chakra it is still subject to her abilities! Manga fact.
Emotions effects the flotation of chakra same goes for intent, it doesn't matter who's chakra it is or if it's being fabricated/disguised as someone else's it is still subjected to that key principle.
And as far as feats go with sensory, BM/KCM Naruto isn't in Karin's league.
Karin's chakra control can determine genetics, gender, village affiliation, species, potency, emotions and honesty/dishonesty. Naruto can't compete.
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Read the thread swine and next time I won't use spoilers if I don't feel like it.
Both methods of sensory can conclude a persons emotion/Killing intent.
Karin can perform just as adequate as the Negative emotion sensing technique, manga facts.
Karin compares brah.
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Bold: That implicates that Karin can perform the same exact feat that Naruto does.
Kisame already said that's an ability exclusive to KCM Naruto. Even the most astute sensors are not capable of that ability, including Karin.
This is already proving by the fact that Kisame Samehada made their chakra completely identical. Yet Naruto can still detect Kisame purely from intent.
Plus, Naruto is
Let me explain why this isn't a good reason.
Karin's conclusions comes from her own feelings base on chakra state she sensed. Naruto's conclusions comes from detecting emotions/intent/feelings that actually comes directly from people. That doesn't always mean they will produce the same results.
This is proven by the fact that Karin thought something
As for Naruto, I already addressed the differences in his evil intent sensing.
Obito explicitly stated that
But they aren't really comparable if you look at the explicit differences that were addressed.
What manga fact? I still consider that an assertion unless you show me.
Yes, he actually can. He just can't compete when it comes to base forms. SM particularly gave
The whole point is that I'm showing that you can't make a real comparison between Naruto and Karin's ability since they both work completely different ways. You would have a point if Naruto did what Karin does.
The entire point is that both abilities are not comparable since they function differently. Naruto sense actual evil intent and Karin sense cold chakra. If he does the same method, then she would be better. Which isn't the case here since again they don't work the same way. Not even sure why you would think I'm trying to misdirect you.
Bold: That implicates that Karin can perform the same exact feat that Naruto does.
Kisame already said that's an ability exclusive to KCM Naruto. Even the most astute sensors are not capable of that ability, including Karin.
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Plus, Naruto is
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.Okay, I already get the first.
That's only the case since they both lead to similar thought processes.
Let me explain why this isn't a good reason.
Karin's conclusions comes from her own feelings base on chakra state she sensed. Naruto's conclusions comes from detecting emotions/intent/feelings that actually comes directly from people. That doesn't always mean they will produce the same results.
This is proven by the fact that Karin thought something
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But the
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.As for Naruto, I already addressed the differences in his evil intent sensing.
Based on what?
Obito explicitly stated that
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. Nowhere did I remember him saying that he steals chakra and replicate it. Again, based on what?Having a similar aspect isn't to make them as comparable. Going by this, Chidori and Rasengan are comparable since they both equal in power, hence cancelling out.
But they aren't really comparable if you look at the explicit differences that were addressed.
Nope...For example, Karin thought Kabuto was a different person because
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. If White Zetsu change into Shinobi A's identitical chakra signature, Karin will conclude Shinobi A instead of White Zetsu.What manga fact? I still consider that an assertion unless you show me.
Not always, as White Zetsu was speaking as if he was actually F. Yet Naruto detected his evil intent. [
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] I think I already addressed how White Zetsu changed chakra signatures.Repeating this point isn't going to make it any more believable.
Bold: Nope. [
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] I seriously hope you aren't saying that her chakra control can actually determine all of the bolded. Especially when you include gender and genetics, since there is no evidence to back those up.
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.Yes, he actually can. He just can't compete when it comes to base forms. SM particularly gave
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. I still haven't seen or remember sensing of that scale from Karin. KCM allowed
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. He just can not do the bolded in base form.The whole point is that I'm showing that you can't make a real comparison between Naruto and Karin's ability since they both work completely different ways. You would have a point if Naruto did what Karin does.
