[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 784 Discussion and 785 Predictions

[Anduril]

Kudos to Oda, amazing display of ingenuity, Bounce man? He just steam rolled all the damn predictions.
And Luffy looks amazing too

Though I have one question like always, What happened after athlete's foot? Did luffy just tank it? and why did the python not shrink and whats with the weird trajectory it got?

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Zoro is the only one of the m3 who can't fly now. he is being left behind

 

[Bogard]

In before Zoro can create spiritual wings in Ashura mode

 

[Caliburn]

I know geppou isn't Sanji's privilege. Not the point though

- Luffy is faster than Sanji
- Luffy is a better brawler than him(fighting with his entire body including his legs)
- Luffy has more physical power than him
- Luffy has better resilience than him(especially now with gear4 that block damages)
- Luffy has better haki than him
- Fire seemed to be a particular aspect Sanji could expand on, but Luffy can use fire too(with his red hawk attacks)
- Sanji's geppou-like move(for more mobility) made him more original among the crew(and mainly monster trio), but Luffy can use a variation of geppou too

Makes you wonder what exactly can Sanji do now that Luffy can't? At least featwise? He can even use soru(learning it by just seeing it in 2seconds), when the leg specialist of the crew apparently can't? Oda really needs to step up his game with Sanji

Luffy is Sanji's captain, a D and someone who has the King's Disposition. The first five things you listed are things that would be extremely weird if Sanji somehow would be better at it than Luffy. All those things also apply to almost all the other Strawhats. It's normal and expected that Luffy outclasses Sanji on all those fronts. Luffy is the captain and the strongest among the Strawhats. Sanji is the cook. I really don't get what you're expecting there.

Franky also uses fire attacks and as said there was already quite a relative large group who can use Geppo. In the end it depends on how it's used and created, that's what makes it special. Sanji is a kicker, he only uses his kicks to attack. That's what sets him apart. Ace and Sabo might not be Strawhats, but both of them were/are fire. So fire attacks from the get-go weren't that unique. What made it unique for Sanji was that he created it by causing massive friction on his legs by spinning.

Also sanji can use it whenever he pleases, Luffy has to go Gear 4th, meaning he can not use it frequently.

 

[Bogard]

Luffy is Sanji's captain, a D and someone who has the King's Disposition.

Luffy is the captain and the strongest among the Strawhats. Sanji is the cook. I really don't get what you're expecting there.

Yes i know this. Doesn't mean however that he should be better in every category than his subordinate. Sanji is cook but also part of the trio of monster of the crew, so strength-wise, he is kinda left behind terribly with current events, something that doesn't make sense when you notice the development he got after all those decades

The first five things you listed are things that would be extremely weird if Sanji somehow would be better at it than Luffy. All those things also apply to almost all the other Strawhats. It's normal and expected that Luffy outclasses Sanji on all those fronts. Franky also uses fire attacks and as said there was already quite a relative large group who can use Geppo. In the end it depends on how it's used and created, that's what makes it special. Ace and Sabo might not be Strawhats, but bot of them were/are fire. So fire attacks from the get-go weren't that unique.

The problem isn't about outclassing Sanji in multiple fronts or if others can use some of his special moves. While Franky can use fire, he isn't as fast as Sanji, he can't use haki, etc Sanji can fly something Ace or Sabo can't, not to mention they are actually externals, so it doesn't really translate to a crewmate in anything. No, that's not the problem. The problem is about one-upping him in everything. Sanji has no field where he dominates Luffy now, none and that makes no sense at all development wise

Sanji is a kicker, he only uses his kicks to attack. That's what sets him apart.

I wonder about this, see?

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Also sanji can use it whenever he pleases, Luffy has to go Gear 4th, meaning he can not use it frequently.

True but doesn't really change the fact he got one-upped again

 

[7Deadly Sin]

so ruffy is the = super saiyajin 4 from DBZ lol special thanks

 

[WhistleBlower]

In before Zoro can create spiritual wings in Ashura mode

I wouldnt be surprised.oh what the heck sure i will be surprised.

 

[Yubel]

487 Nightmare Luffy
784 Gear 4th

 

[Caliburn]

Yes i know this. Doesn't mean however that he should be better in every category than his subordinate. Sanji is cook but also part of the trio of monster of the crew, so strength-wise, he is kinda left behind terribly with current events, something that doesn't make sense when you notice the development he got after all those decades

The problem isn't about outclassing Sanji in multiple fronts or if others can use some of his special moves. While Franky can use fire, he isn't as fast as Sanji, he can't use haki, etc Sanji can fly something Ace or Sabo can't, not to mention they are actually externals, so it doesn't really translate to a crewmate in anything. No, that's not the problem. The problem is about one-upping him in everything. Sanji has no field where he dominates Luffy now, none and that makes no sense at all development wise

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True but doesn't really change the fact he got one-upped again

Your perception has to be flipped over. Considering what Luffy is trying to achieve and that he is an all-round fighter, yes he pretty much should be stronger in the most fundamental basics of fighting. Luffy should and is faster than the other Strawhats, he should and has better Haki than all the other Strawhats etc. Sorry, but thinking that Sanji or any other Strawhat is going to have better Haki than Luffy, is plainly absurd. You are way too much focused on Sanji than is necessary. On top of that you don't even know what Sanji is capable of. Luffy is supposed to be stronger than Sanji, hell of a lot stronger.

As said your problem is that you focus way too much on Sanji as apparently now Luffy is not allowed to kick anyone? Luffy used on several occasions swords. Did Zoro then got one-upped? Nope, not in the least. It's the same here. Luffy is far stronger than Sanji as it should be. Luffy needs the strength to protect all his nakama. Luffy is still very well the prime protagonist of this series, not Sanji. That Sanji is part of the Monster Trio is already something 'he' should be glad about as I always have found that quite a weird thing Oda did there. Both Luffy and Zoro are true born fighters who trained their entire lives for the purpose of becoming strong. Sanji is the cook who cooked his entire life. He was always the odd one out and what makes him special is that he only uses kicks, that's his fighting style. It really doesn't matter that Luffy also uses kicks. You would think that someone who apparently favors Sanji of all people would understand the difference there. Apparently following your logic no one is allowed to kick anyone ever again because it makes Sanji less special?

Sanji will get his moment de gloire sooner or later, but it's natural, logical and common sense that as the cook Sanji is far lower on the power scale than his captain whose only forte is fighting.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I'm totally shipping Law x Cavendish

So he's like a muscular spring? This'll need a good explanation as to how this works, at least G4 has a huge drawback (not being able to stand still)

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Dat Luffy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[LitzSabr]

Monkey D! I myself think G4 is perfect. It fits Luffy with his epic yet a little funny look. Has an interesting way of functioning and contains massive power. Its was so good, each one of the punches were a pure joy to look at. Now to see it it has a limit or not, I hope not.
But even though the power up is great, it seems doffy would be pulling out something stronger too. It won't be like Blueno.
This week was great.

- Sanji's geppou-like move(for more mobility) made him more original among the crew(and mainly monster trio), but Luffy can use a variation of geppou too

Exactly the the first thing to come to my find when I saw Luffy doing that. Sky walk is derived from geppou but it was exclusive for Sanji in the crew and now Luffy did that do.
However Sanji can do it without any sort of extra effort like Luffy has to do in form of G4.

 

[Olorin]

487 Nightmare Luffy
784 Gear 4th

No, nightmare Luffy appeared in 478 titled "Luffy vs Luffy"

487 is titled "That song" and it's Brook's fb

 

[Anduril]

A question - What happened after athlete's foot? Did luffy just tank it? and why did the python not shrink and whats with the weird trajectory it got?

 

[Kingu]

A question - What happened after athlete's foot? Did luffy just tank it? and why did the python not shrink and whats with the weird trajectory it got?

What's weird is he instructed his arm "python" to attack, was it a typo or him just being stupid?

 

[Anduril]

What's weird is he instructed his arm "python" to attack, was it a typo or him just being stupid?

I think that was just luffy (most likely) but I still don't get how he got that trajectory with his arm.

 

[Kiiszame]

I like it.

 

[Love Cook]

Since Luffy says Gear 4th: Boundman !

I wonder if he might have other forms.

Now he obviously chose power over agility like an enhanced G3, maybe he also has an upgraded G2 where he focuses on his legs.

Yes I'm aware I said boundman, that is because the *********** translation is out and it's better.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What's weird is he instructed his arm "python" to attack, was it a typo or him just being stupid?

Mistranslation/ being stupid

I think that was just luffy (most likely) but I still don't get how he got that trajectory with his arm.

He can do the same with "Snake", just an extreme version of that TBH

Since Luffy says Gear 4th: Boundman !

I wonder if he might have other forms.

Now he obviously chose power over agility like an enhanced G3, maybe he also has an upgraded G2 where he focuses on his legs.

Yes I'm aware I said boundman, that is because the *********** translation is out and it's better.

So is his G4 form called "Boundman"?

He might have a fifth gear in future and I wouldn't be surprised if it's some kind of extreme G2/Human Torch jet engine/propelled esque technique

 

[A v i]

Your perception has to be flipped over. Considering what Luffy is trying to achieve and that he is an all-round fighter, yes he pretty much should be stronger in the most fundamental basics of fighting. Luffy should and is faster than the other Strawhats, he should and has better Haki than all the other Strawhats etc. Sorry, but thinking that Sanji or any other Strawhat is going to have better Haki than Luffy, is plainly absurd. You are way too much focused on Sanji than is necessary. On top of that you don't even know what Sanji is capable of. Luffy is supposed to be stronger than Sanji, hell of a lot stronger.

Not really, his COA can be weaker than Zoro's for all we know. Haki isn't the only thing he uses to fight , all of his big moves are combinations of his haki + his devils fruit. Luffy is the captain and should be stronger than others but it doesn't mean that he must outclass others in every single aspect as a fighter. His overall score as a fighter is above that of any other SH so other having some traits better than him doesn't really effect his position as their captain. It isn't really impossible for him to have some traits lower than his crew members. He's same as top a student in a class,there might be some students with better scores in some subjects but it won't make them better student than him as his over all grades are above that of anyone else in the class.