[VS] 3T Kakashi vs Killer B

[RustledJimmies]

Bee takes his life.

 

[battlestatio]

My boi KB takes it.

I thought your boy is Obito?

OT: Kakashi with clones can take Bee mid difficulty.

 

[Draphsin]

I thought your boy is Obito?

OT: Kakashi with clones can take Bee mid difficulty.

Yeah but I gotta give props where it's due.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kakashi wins high diff.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi already showed he can keep up with 4 v2 jins at the same time (those v2 jins overwhelmed KM Naruto at some point)

Kakashi wins

 

[Draphsin]

Kakashi already showed he can keep up with 4 v2 jins at the same time (those v2 jins overwhelmed KM Naruto at some point)

Kakashi's raikiri was

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. Then only one of them

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. He hardly kept up w/ four V2 jins moving at the same speed as the ones who

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.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Kakashi's raikiri was

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. Then only one of them

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. He hardly kept up w/ four V2 jins moving at the same speed as the ones who

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.

But Kakashi was able to

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,then he charged towards the next one who could evade it as you said

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi's raikiri was

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. Then only one of them

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. He hardly kept up w/ four V2 jins moving at the same speed as the ones who

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After that happened, kakashi faced 4 v2 jins all by himself while Bee and Naruto were fighting the 4 tails and Gai was facing the 5th tale in full bijuu mode.

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[Draphsin]

But Kakashi was able to

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,then he charged towards the next one who could evade it as you said

That's because they weren't focused on him, they were going after naruto. Once the jins started to focus on kakashi he couldn't touch them.

After that happened, kakashi faced 4 v2 jins all by himself while Bee and Naruto were fighting the 4 tails and Gai was facing the 5th tale in full bijuu mode.

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Chakra arms aren't fast though. A good example is of a BM minato

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after we already see how fast JJ obito's

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is in comparison.

Obito w/ his base footspeed has

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naruto's KCM chakra arms more than once, & kakashi is roughly on par w/ him in terms of speed/reactions. Unless you believe that KCM naruto's chakra arms are slower than V2 chakra arms then kakashi should have no problem w/ them. & KB should have no problem doing what kakashi did as well considering his V1 form was

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by sasuke yet his base sword style

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He even

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&

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in base.

 

[Eng nawashi]

That's because they weren't focused on him, they were going after naruto. Once the jins started to focus on kakashi he couldn't touch them.
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You would have a point if Kakashi and Gai hadnt been in front of Naruto when the jins were charging towards him and then they had suddenly showed up and hit the jins,but actually Kakashi and Gai were there right in front of Naruto unless if you think that the jins weren't able to see Kakashi and Gai .

 

[Draphsin]

You would have a point if Kakashi and Gai hadnt been in front of Naruto when the jins were charging towards him and then they had suddenly showed up and hit the jins,but actually Kakashi and Gai were there right in front of Naruto unless if you think that the jins weren't able to see Kakashi and Gai .

It's not just about seeing them, if the jins were focused on kakashi & gai then all of them would've surrounded them instead of ignored them. Three of the jins still went after naruto while the three that gai & kakashi stopped didn't even attack them until they got hit, implying a lack of focus.

These jins were blitzing KCM naruto, kakashi doesn't have the speed to do that & so it makes little sense for him to hit the jins while moving full speed unless they weren't focused on him.

 

[Eng nawashi]

It's not just about seeing them, if the jins were focused on kakashi & gai then all of them would've surrounded them instead of ignored them. Three of the jins still went after naruto while the three that gai & kakashi stopped didn't even attack them until they got hit, implying a lack of focus.

These jins were blitzing KCM naruto, kakashi doesn't have the speed to do that & so it makes little sense for him to hit the jins while moving full speed unless they weren't focused on him.

Those jins have sharinngan precognition ,kakashi and Gai were right in front of them ,kakashi made the seals for raikiri and gai opened the 6th gate ,isn't that enough for them to pay obito's attention and focus !!?

They didn't blitz naruto but outnumbered him .

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but then he couldn't do anything to more of them attacking him.

 

[Selan]

Kakashi takes this easily. He counterblitzed V2 jinchuriki equipped with Sharingan and Rinnegan (all the Bijuu are equals bar Kyuubi; as it is clearly said in the manga their strenght has nothing with the number of tails, Six Tails for example isn't necessary stronger than Two Tails; it's just that Kyuubi is stronger than all of them and the Juubi is multiple times stronger) landing Raikiri on them and keeping pace with Gated Gai, he is definitely a lot faster than base Bee and with Sharingan precognition he has in the bag. Bee can't stop a Raikiri or Raiden blitz, and he is gonna definitely be tricked by Kakashi's skilled use of the Kage Bunshin no jutsu. Kakashi takes his head off. This man was fighting multiple V2 all together by himself, for hell's sake.

 

[Draphsin]

Those jins have sharinngan precognition

In base, any proof it still works when the bijuu's chakra has overtaken them? Not talking about V1 but in V2 mode their eyes are covered by what looks to be

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, could be the bijuu's eyes for all we know.

kakashi and Gai were right in front of them ,kakashi made the seals for raikiri and gai opened the 6th gate ,isn't that enough for them to pay obito's attention and focus !!?

Apparently not. Look, we have a scan of kakashi & gai stopping jins, then we have another scan of a single jin dodging kakashi's attack & knocking him back, so either kishi doesn't know what he's doing or the jin that kakashi first hit wasn't paying attention to him. You can't just take a feat that gets overshadowed a second later & use it as evidence.

They didn't blitz naruto but outnumbered him .

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but then he couldn't do anything to more of them attacking him.

He got blitzed twice in the scan I posted, there was no outnumbering since the jins were never attacking simultaneously, they were consecutive attacks that naruto should've been able to sense & block unless they were too fast for him. And in any case if you don't think it was a blitz then that merely strengthens my next point.

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, yet that same itachi

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using his 8 sword style & therefore the same thing would happen to naruto. If a KCM naruto [who couldn't be blitzed by the jins according to you] can't touch bee when he's using his sword style then tell me how on earth kakashi is going to manage?

 

[TRE MERCER]

If Sasuke couldn't stop the cqc assault what makes you think Kakashi can?​

 

[Eng nawashi]

In base, any proof it still works when the bijuu's chakra has overtaken them? Not talking about V1 but in V2 mode their eyes are covered by what looks to be

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, could be the bijuu's eyes for all we know.

But that isnt how bijus eyes look .No proof that they cant see with thier regular eyes .and in worst cases the one who controls them has sharingan precognition

Apparently not. Look, we have a scan of kakashi & gai stopping jins, then we have another scan of a single jin dodging kakashi's attack & knocking him back, so either kishi doesn't know what he's doing or the jin that kakashi first hit wasn't paying attention to him. You can't just take a feat that gets overshadowed a second later & use it as evidence.

when kakashi managed to hit the jin ,both the jin and kakashi was charging towards each other which made kakash's attack faster and harder to evade(like how kakashi tagged kaguya),but in the second time ,the jin was stationary while kakashi charged at him which made reacting to kakashi and evading his raikeri easier .

He got blitzed twice in the scan I posted, there was no outnumbering since the jins were never attacking simultaneously, they were consecutive attacks that naruto should've been able to sense & block unless they were too fast for him. And in any case if you don't think it was a blitz then that merely strengthens my next point.

If every single jin could blitz him ,then the first one should have blitzed naruto.that isnt what happened .naruto blocked the first one which shows that naruto can deal with them individually which means the number was a factor ,he blocked the first one but while being distracted and unbalanced ,he couldn't do anything to more of them attacking him with such a speed so both the speed and the number was a factor .
@the bold:they dont need to attack naruto at the same time in order to outnumber him ,as i said the first one distracted naruto and left him unblanced vulnerable to the other attacks

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, yet that same itachi

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using his 8 sword style & therefore the same thing would happen to naruto. If a KCM naruto [who couldn't be blitzed by the jins according to you] can't touch bee when he's using his sword style then tell me how on earth kakashi is going to manage?

Good and all but i cant recall when i said kakashi would win a CQC against Bee's 7 swords dance ,i dont argue who would win this match ,i just saw you giving excuses on why kakashi kept up with v2 jins

 

[Draphsin]

But that isnt how bijus eyes look.

So? That isn't how the jin's eyes look so it's the same thing. The fact that the bijuu chakra is covering their faces & eyes gives more credit to the idea that the bijuu are the ones who can see in V2, rather than shared vision/precog still being in play.

No proof that they cant see with thier regular eyes.

Going by this logic then when a jin goes BM they still have precog, which makes no sense.

and in worst cases the one who controls them has sharingan precognition

Again obito doesn't control the bijuu w/ precog + shared vision, so what evidence is there to believe that it's in use when they're in V2 mode?

when kakashi managed to hit the jin ,both the jin and kakashi was charging towards each other which made kakash's attack faster and harder to evade(like how kakashi tagged kaguya)

Which gives more time for the jin to react if he was in fact paying attention to kakashi. They were charging eachother, meaning they started from a far off distance, how does the jin then casually evade a point blank raikiri? Because saying that kakashi can move faster while charging as opposed to attacking point blank is kind of ridiculous.

,but in the second time ,the jin was stationary while kakashi charged at him which made reacting to kakashi and evading his raikeri easier .

There was no charging in the 2nd scan, it was a point blank raikiri since he was already in front of the jin.

If every single jin could blitz him ,then the first one should have blitzed naruto.

No, they were moving linearly at first which gave naruto time to barely react to the first strike. Once they started moving off in different directions & attacking from different spots naruto became helpless.

naruto blocked the first one which shows that naruto can deal with them individually which means the number was a factor

No, he blocked the first linear strike as I said above. SM naruto

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, does that mean it wasn't a blitz? Nope, madara is that much faster than him, even if naruto could put his hands up for the initial blitz that doesn't mean he can keep up w/ multiple blitzes from a character of the same speed.

,he blocked the first one but while being distracted and unbalanced ,he couldn't do anything to more of them attacking him with such a speed so both the speed and the number was a factor .

Assumption, if naruto could block all the attacks then he would, balance had nothing to do w/ it & naruto has

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, so distraction had nothing to do w/ it either.

@the bold:they dont need to attack naruto at the same time in order to outnumber him.

Yes they do, otherwise w/ the speed you're suggesting he'd be able to block every single attack or at least put his hands up in retaliation.

As i said the first one distracted naruto and left him unblanced vulnerable to the other attacks

Assumption.

Good and all but i cant recall when i said kakashi would win a CQC against Bee's 7 swords dance

Then I suggest you go back to the beginning of this discussion, this is regarding kakashi beating bee because he can keep up w/ V2 jins. Well if these V2 jins are slower than bee's sword style then it's a completely irrelevant point to make. As I said in my previous scan bee has shown reactions to keep up w/ minato after using FTG, kakashi has no such attack that would be able to move that fast & so bee is reacting to anything that kakashi has to offer. Combine that w/ his sword style & kakashi isn't touching bee in cqc [where the majority of this battle will end up].

i dont argue who would win this match ,i just saw you giving excuses on why kakashi kept up with v2 jins

Lol Excuses.

 

[Eng nawashi]

So? That isn't how the jin's eyes look so it's the same thing. The fact that the bijuu chakra is covering their faces & eyes gives more credit to the idea that the bijuu are the ones who can see in V2, rather than shared vision/precog still being in play.



Going by this logic then when a jin goes BM they still have precog, which makes no sense.

I'll give you this point cause i cant prove mine though you didnt prove yours as well but whatever.but my main point stills.the jins dont need super eyes to realise that kakashi and gai were going towards them.

Again obito doesn't control the bijuu w/ precog + shared vision, so what evidence is there to believe that it's in use when they're in V2 mode?

Obito who controls the biju and has sharingan precog must have seen kakashi and Gai .that is what i meant.

Which gives more time for the jin to react if he was in fact paying attention to kakashi. They were charging eachother, meaning they started from a far off distance, how does the jin then casually evade a point blank raikiri? Because saying that kakashi can move faster while charging as opposed to attacking point blank is kind of ridiculous.

yes ,evading attacks while shunshiing towards the said attacks is harder than evading the same attacks while being stationary ,that is nearly the same reason why kakashi was able to hit kaguya with Raikeri.

There was no charging in the 2nd scan, it was a point blank raikiri since he was already in front of the jin.

Uh.that is why evading raikeri the 2nd time was easier.

No, they were moving linearly at first which gave naruto time to barely react to the first strike. Once they started moving off in different directions & attacking from different spots naruto became helpless.

you yourself said it .they were attacking from different spots,meaning the number was a factor .one jin cant attack from different spotsLOL
Obito himself nearly said "the jins outnumbered you ,Naruto" when he said

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No, he blocked the first linear strike as I said above. SM naruto

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, does that mean it wasn't a blitz? Nope, madara is that much faster than him, even if naruto could put his hands up for the initial blitz that doesn't mean he can keep up w/ multiple blitzes from a character of the same speed.

Since SM Naruto blocked Madra's attack then it wasnt completly a blitz but people tend to hype it as a blitz because of how Madara knocked him down . Jin Madara didnt evade 7th gate Gai but blocked. does that mean it was a blitz?Nope.
do you imply that the jins are faster than v2 Ay since he couldnt blitz Naruto whereas the jins blitzed him according to you?

Assumption, if naruto could block all the attacks then he would, balance had nothing to do w/ it & naruto has

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, so distraction had nothing to do w/ it either.

Nope .Naruto was left unbalanced on

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.Blindness=/= Distraction .Blinded Kabuto

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yet he

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though YM and the arrows werent fired at a time .

Assumption.

No.it isnt.

Then I suggest you go back to the beginning of this discussion, this is regarding kakashi beating bee because he can keep up w/ V2 jins. Well if these V2 jins are slower than bee's sword style then it's a completely irrelevant point to make. As I said in my previous scan bee has shown reactions to keep up w/ minato after using FTG, kakashi has no such attack that would be able to move that fast & so bee is reacting to anything that kakashi has to offer. Combine that w/ his sword style & kakashi isn't touching bee in cqc [where the majority of this battle will end up].

I suggest you stop trying to drag me to a debate i didnt even started.i quoted you because i saw you saying that the raikeri was evaded ignoring that it landed once .

quote when I said anything about kakashi winning a CQC against Bee or even kakashi winning this match up or shut your mouth upLol.

 

[Bogard]

1 tail Sharingan Yugito was outmaneuvring Bee in CQC
V2 Sharinnegan Jinchurikis > 1tail Sharingan Yugito in CQC

And Kakashi was handling multiple of them in CQC just fine, so war arc Kakashi is better than B in CQC. He would manhandle him in the area

Raikiri is the strongest raiton attack, so he would win in a lightning clash too

Kakashi wins

 

[Draphsin]

I'll give you this point cause i cant prove mine though you didnt prove yours as well but whatever.but my main point stills.the jins dont need super eyes to realise that kakashi and gai were going towards them.

Don't need to prove anything, you're the one who made the claim that the jins were paying attention to kakashi & gai, you have to prove it not me.

Obito who controls the biju and has sharingan precog must have seen kakashi and Gai .that is what i meant.

Which is speculation, if a jin can dodge a point blank raikiri then it makes no sense for kakashi to match the full speed of one from a further distance.

yes ,evading attacks while shunshiing towards the said attacks is harder than evading the same attacks while being stationary ,that is nearly the same reason why kakashi was able to hit kaguya with Raikeri.

Show me where these guys were using shnshin, they were running. We don't even see a ninja perform shunshin half them time but when they do it looks like

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, or

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. Kakashi was charging the jin, if the jin saw him or was paying attention to him then all it would have to do is jump over kakashi seeing as it had plenty of time to do so. Point blank raikiri >>>> raikiri from a distance in terms of speed, claiming otherwise is just desperation.

Uh.that is why evading raikeri the 2nd time was easier.

No, that's retarded. The raikiri was harder to dodge from a closer distance, it's common sense unless you can show me a faster enemy getting hit by a far raikiri but dodging a close one.

you yourself said it.they were attacking from different spots,meaning the number was a factor.one jin cant attack from different spotsLOL

Lol If you're much faster than your enemy of course you can attack them from different spots.

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literally

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all the time, it's called a blitz.

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is another great example of how you can attack from multiple spots provided you're faster than your enemy. The fact that you think attacking from different spots = there has to be more than one enemy means you just don't understand how speed works. U_U

Obito himself nearly said "the jins outnumbered you ,Naruto" when he said

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Don't go misinterpreting scans now to try & favor your point...Obito merely & simply commented on the fact that it's 6v2 & so the odds of him winning are against him, there's no hidden meaning behind those words & he never once mentioned being outnumbered especially in that previous encounter. This doesn't prove your point.

Since SM Naruto blocked Madra's attack then it wasnt completly a blitz

More proof you just don't know how speed works.

but people tend to hype it as a blitz because of how Madara knocked him down.

Madara shunshin'd

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in a single scan & all naruto could do was put up hus arms in retaliation, now let's do the "math". If madara can shunshin three times in the time it takes naruto to put up his hands, then how is naruto going to react if madara shunshin'd behind naruto instead? His arms would be up yeah but madara would be behind him due to having the ability to jump thrice in that time, thus naruto would get blitzed.

Jin Madara didnt evade 7th gate Gai but blocked. does that mean it was a blitz?Nope.

Lmao but YES in fact it WAS a blitz, 8G gai demonstrated to us that he can comfortably blitz JJ madara based on the scan I provided, just because madara blocked the attack doesn't mean that it wasn't a blitz [sasuke reacted to ay by putting up an enton barrier before he could strike, was that not a blitz?]. Madara can't touch gai, when gai circles around & attacks from a different direction madara literally can't do anything, he's getting blitzed by gai.

do you imply that the jins are faster than v2 Ay since he couldnt blitz Naruto whereas the jins blitzed him according to you?

Lol wtf..? Ay was

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out of naruto when he was trying to escape, the only speed that V2 ay can't match is naruto's

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which is different from his footspeed & striking speed.

Nope .Naruto was left unbalanced on

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Lol So? Naruto has shown that he has amazing reactions & simply being unbalanced can be offset before any slow moving opponents could take advantage, unless of course those those opponents are simply too fast for him.

Blindness=/= Distraction.

Omfg... I really have to explain this to you? KCM naruto has sensory abilities, what does that mean? It means that NO slow moving opponent can reach him as shown when he blocked an attack while blind. Now let's go back to the jin situation, KCM naruto has sensory abilities, therefore if the jins were slow then he would've still been able to sense them despite not having eyes on them. Being distracted is literally the same thing as being blind in this situation because naruto can sense anything that approaches him. Unless these jins were simply too fast for naruto to properly react to then naruto's sensory abilities should've easily picked up on them coming his way, so as I said earlier being distracted is irrelevant.

Blinded Kabuto

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yet he

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though YM and the arrows werent fired at a time .

Bullsh*t, do you not see the dust clouds from itachi's magatamas? That SA was fired immediately after itachi shot his attack. It was a combination attack, you can't even try to compare it to individual enemies that naruto can constantly sense attacking at different times.

No.it isnt.

Absolutely is.

I suggest you stop trying to drag me to a debate i didnt even started.

Lmao well that's your fault, you should've known what you were getting into.

i quoted you because i saw you saying that the raikeri was evaded ignoring that it landed once .

It was evaded, it landed the first time because the jins weren't paying attention to kakashi.

quote when I said anything about kakashi winning a CQC against Bee or even kakashi winning this match up or shut your mouth upLol.

Then get out of the thread & make your own regarding the same topic, because this is a battle between bee & kakashi. W/ this you're telling me that you quoted me because I apparently "badmouthed your fav" by "ignoring" a scan...Seriously, go wank somewhere else or take part in the actual debate.