Lol .I wasnt talking about the Jins paying attention to Kakashi ,I was talking about the V2 Jins still having sharingan Precog .I haven't claim anything .you are the first one I have ever seen claim that the Jins weren’t paying attention to kakashi and Gai
Which is speculation, if a jin can dodge a point blank raikiri then it makes no sense for kakashi to match the full speed of one from a further distance.
No, it isnt .
Yes ,Kakashi and Gai matched the Jins speed whether you like it or not .
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you can see how close the Jins were to Kakashi,Gai and Naruto’s position before they even start charging the Jins back ,
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you can see where Kakashi and gai hit the Jins compared to Naruto’s position.with that being said Kakashi and Gai charged the Jins with the same speed if not faster .
Show me where these guys were using shnshin, they were running. We don't even see a ninja perform shunshin half them time but when they do it looks like
Shunshin or running it doesnt matter to my point though we have seen shunshin look like running
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Kakashi was charging the jin, if the jin saw him or was paying attention to him then all it would have to do is jump over kakashi seeing as it had plenty of time to do so. Point blank raikiri >>>> raikiri from a distance in terms of speed, claiming otherwise is just desperation.
Nope ,as I said above,Kakashi and Gai charged the Jins when they were just 2 metres away with the same speed if not faster .what made evading the attack much harder is the fact that the Jins were also going towards Kakashi and Gai which doubled the speed of the clash .evading attacks while charging it, is much harder than evading the same attacks while being stationary .
it's common sense unless you can show me a faster enemy getting hit by a far raikiri but dodging a close one.
Yup . when Kaguya was charging Kakashi and he charged her in the last second ,she couldn't evade the attack though a stationary inferior version of kaguya could evade sasuke's chidori attack from point blank range coming after an instant teleportation .
Lol If you're much faster than your enemy of course you can attack them from different spots.
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literally
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all the time, it's called a blitz.
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is another great example of how you can attack from multiple spots provided you're faster than your enemy. The fact that you think attacking from different spots = there has to be more than one enemy means you just don't understand how speed works. U_U
Except the manga didnt show every single Jin attacking Naruto from different spots ,but it showed every single Jin attacking Naruto from one spot ,that is why they outnumbered Naruto.
Don't go misinterpreting scans now to try & favor your point...Obito merely & simply commented on the fact that it's 6v2 & so the odds of him winning are against him, there's no hidden meaning behind those words & he never once mentioned being outnumbered especially in that previous encounter. This doesn't prove your point.
the simple fact that obito talked about the number implies that the number was a factor.
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Naruto himself says that 3 is better than 6 ,meaning 6 was too much to him while 3 can be handled ,meaning the number was a factor
I cant imagine that you are arguing against this ,6 vs 2 and it isn't outnumbering ? .that is the definition of outnumbering anyway.
outnumber
aʊtˈnʌmbə/
verb
gerund or present participle: outnumbering
be more numerous than.
"women outnumbered men by three to one"
Madara shunshin'd
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in a single scan & all naruto could do was put up hus arms in retaliation, now let's do the "math". If madara can shunshin three times in the time it takes naruto to put up his hands, then how is naruto going to react if madara shunshin'd behind naruto instead? His arms would be up yeah but madara would be behind him due to having the ability to jump thrice in that time, thus naruto would get blitzed.
Nope,Madara shunshin'd only once in the time naruto took to raise his arm up ,the other 2 shunshins were after Madara had knocked Naruto down .
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That paragraph can be a proof that Madara is much faster than Naruto or a proof that Madara can potentially blitz Naruto ,but it cant be a proof that Madara blitzed Naruto .you yourself said "would blitz " .
Off topic but Naruto didnt necesserly block Madara .if he blocked ,then it wasn't perfectly a blitz .if he didnt block,then it was a blitz.
Lmao but YES in fact it WAS a blitz, 8G gai demonstrated to us that he can comfortably blitz JJ madara based on the scan I provided, just because madara blocked the attack doesn't mean that it wasn't a blitz [sasuke reacted to ay by putting up an enton barrier before he could strike, was that not a blitz?]. Madara can't touch gai, when gai circles around & attacks from a different direction madara literally can't do anything, he's getting blitzed by gai.
I am talking about 7th gate Gai not 8th gate Gai ,so I will ask you again ,was Jin Madara blitzed by 7th gate Gai because
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Lol So? Naruto has shown that he has amazing reactions & simply being unbalanced can be offset before any slow moving opponents could take advantage, unless of course those those opponents are simply too fast for him.
The bold is just an assumption.
I never described the Jins as slow moving opponents .I said both of the speed and the number was a factor.
Omfg... I really have to explaina this to you? KCM naruto has sensory abilities, what does that mean? It means that NO slow moving opponent can reach him as shown when he blocked an attack while blind. Now let's go back to the jin situation, KCM naruto has sensory abilities, therefore if the jins were slow then he would've still been able to sense them despite not having eyes on them. Being distracted is literally the same thing as being blind in this situation because naruto can sense anything that approaches him. Unless these jins were simply too fast for naruto to properly react to then naruto's sensory abilities should've easily picked up on them coming his way, so as I said earlier being distracted is irrelevant.
Should I remind you that kabuto is a sensor too ?,should I remind you that kabuto was fighting the whole fight with closed eyes to avoid being caught in genjutsu?
blindess has nothing to do with sensors unlike distraction.kabuto evaded the arrow despite being blind yet he couldnt evade the arrow while being distracted despite being sensor .
Bullsh*t, do you not see the dust clouds from itachi's magatamas? That SA was fired immediately after itachi shot his attack. It was a combination attack, you can't even try to compare it to individual enemies that naruto can constantly sense attacking at different times.
what does the dust have to do here !!?.the arrow was fired immediately after YM ,meaning they werent fired in the same time .that is exactly the case with the Jins .the second Jin attacked Naruto after the first one immediately .
It was evaded, it landed the first time because the jins weren't paying attention to kakashi
Again. Kakashi and gai were directly in front of naruto ,the Jins can't look at naruto without automatically looking at kakashi and gai.
Lmao well that's your fault, you should've known what you were getting into.
Then get out of the thread & make your own regarding the same topic, because this is a battle between bee & kakashi. W/ this you're telling me that you quoted me because I apparently "badmouthed your fav" by "ignoring" a scan...Seriously, go wank somewhere else or take part in the actual debate.
If you cant differentiate between arguing for a certain point and arguing for a certain character as a victor ,then dont bother reply to me again.If I replied to someone says that Edo Madara can evade Amatrasu in Itachi vs Edo Madara thread,would that mean I think Itachi would win !?or if I replied to someone sayes minato can break through itachi’s MS genjutsu, would that necessarily mean i think itachi wins!!? Lol
Wanking!!? ,the only one wanking here is you ,you are wanking those Jins because they are part of one of obito’s version .Lol
Lel, he's still charging rather than firing point blank, showing me these irrelevant scans does nothing to prove that his point blank raikiri would be easier to dodge.
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you can see where Kakashi and gai hit the Jins compared to Naruto’s position.
All I see from this scan are the panels you conveniently choose to ignore. The jin dodged the closer raikiri, thus making your entire point moot since it overshadows that previous feat. Simple as that. Unless you can prove to me that the V2 jins were moving at full speed & that the jins were actively paying attention to kakachi & gai before they got hit then you have no evidence to assert that kakashi can match their speed.
with that being said Kakashi and Gai charged the Jins with the same speed if not faster .
Lol Here we go...Yes it does. Trying to evade an attack while in the middle of a shunshin is many times harder than evading one while simply running, this is common sense. They were running, therefore dodging a raikiri from a further distance is easier than dodging a point blank one. You know what? That's not enough. Even if they were using shunshin we've seen characters easily
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during their jumps, so it still doesn't prove that charging forward would impede the jin's movements to the point where they wouldn't be able to dodge an attack that they later could from point blank. You need to prove that kakashi while charging his raikiri is somehow faster than if he was just standing in front of someone's face, because w/o that your argument is empty.
Do you even know what shunshin is? He's running in that scan as shown by his legs which are in a running motion. Shunshin is a jump, never has it been = to running.
Ay uses shunshin
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, as you can see he literally moves horizontally. Now unless ay can somehow run sideways then he didn't use his feet in the same way as shown in your scan, therefore it wasn't shunshin.
Nope ,as I said above,Kakashi and Gai charged the Jins when they were just 2 metres away with the same speed if not faster.
Doesn't change the fact that a point blank raikiri >>>>>>> a raikiri starting at any other distance. As I said if you're trying to claim otherwise then it's desperation.
what made evading the attack much harder is the fact that the Jins were also going towards Kakashi and Gai which doubled the speed of the clash.
Doubling the speed means nothing, they can be going 20x regular speed, still means nothing. Until you can prove that a point blank raikiri was slower than that then how fast they were moving is irrelevant.
evading attacks while charging it, is much harder than evading the same attacks while being stationary .
False, completely & utterly false. Smh...Your whole point doesn't hold, the only possible way for your claim to hold any weight is if the speed of the jins/kakashi charging surpasses the time it takes to land a raikiri at point blank range, yet you can't even prove it. This claim is nothing but conjecture, I can just as easily say: "evading attacks at point blank range is much harder than evading attacks from far away" & that would be conjecture as well, at least until I can prove it like I'm about to.
Raikage
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from a distance, not just once,
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[while off balance, might I add]. Yet he
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at point blank.
Sasuke
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a V1 lariat from a distance, yet gets
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by a point blank lariat. & Yes you might say that sasuke was tired but that still doesn't explain why he didn't even notice the attack coming w/ his precog after just jumping on bee's head w/o so much as breaking a sweat.
Now on to your point, the reason why it simply doesn't hold as a valid argument is because we have multiple instances where characters are seemingly dodging while charging as if it was 2nd nature to them. SM naruto
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while charging, same for 3T sasuke
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. These two examples alone are enough to prove that charging an enemy has very little to do w/ how well they can react to an attack as opposed to being stationary.
Yup . when Kaguya was charging Kakashi and he charged her in the last second ,she couldn't evade the attack though a stationary inferior version of kaguya could evade sasuke's chidori attack from point blank range coming after an instant teleportation .
I hope & pray you aren't seriously going to use this example. First of all kakashi =/= sasuke so that already invalidates this example, secondly black kamui raikiri =/= normal chidori as there's no proof that these jutsus are the same speed, finally even sakura
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kaguya in that situation, so unless you're trying to tell me that sakura can hit kaguya when a rinnegan sasuke can't w/ his chidori then the situations aren't comparable in the slightest.
Except the manga didnt show every single Jin attacking Naruto from different spots.
In who's world? In kishi's world? Do you know what kishi was thinking when he had obito make that statement? Just because obito mentioned their numbers doesn't mean they outnumbered naruto in that exact scenario.
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Naruto himself says that 3 is better than 6 ,meaning 6 was too much to him while 3 can be handled ,meaning the number was a factor
Smfh... Of course 3 is better than 6, this is common sense. Still doesn't begin to prove that naruto was being outnumbered previously. They were attacking one at a time, meaning naruto had a chance to notice the attacks coming his way, yet didn't, or rather couldn't.
I cant imagine that you are arguing against this ,6 vs 2 and it isn't outnumbering ? .that is the definition of outnumbering anyway.
outnumber
aʊtˈnʌmbə/
verb
gerund or present participle: outnumbering
be more numerous than.
"women outnumbered men by three to one"
& I can't even begin to imagine how on earth you think the jins were outnumbering naruto. Because there were lots of them? Sh*t makes no sense. Outnumbering would require the jins to be attacking simultaneously, as to overwhelm naruto w/ their numbers. If the jins are attacking one at a time then naruto should have the ability to sense/notice each & every one. That definition is the literal definition, not what I'm talking about here. Even if you're outnumbered three to one, the battle would be the same as a 1v1 if they came at you one at a time.
Nope,Madara shunshin'd only once in the time naruto took to raise his arm up, the other 2 shunshins were after Madara had knocked Naruto down .
This is nothing but your interpretation. Madara is shown to have jumped three times, in that same scan naruto has his hands slightly raised & is getting knocked on his ass. Naruto makes no indication that he knew madara jumped the other two times, therefore madara has the ability to jump two more times as naruto is airborne w/ his hands raised.
Did I not just post this very same scan last post..?
Anyways as you can clearly see by the scan, madara jumped three times yet SM naruto is still in the air w/ his hands raised, that proves he wouldn't have been prepared & ready to block another two shunshins from madara, the shunshins he used to reach hashi instead.
That paragraph can be a proof that Madara is much faster than Naruto or a proof that Madara can potentially blitz Naruto ,but it cant be a proof that Madara blitzed Naruto .you yourself said "would blitz " .
Are you seriously trying to associate my logic w/ this? Ffs...Madara literally blocked every single attack & wasn't knocked back or overwhelmed in any way by gai's speed. Just because he blocked it doesn't mean gai blitzed him. Has to be some of the worst logic I've seen around here.
Lol & It's just an assumption to try & claim that naruto was so off balance that he couldn't react to the other attacks, literally nothing in the manga states or implies it. Raikage was off balance in my previous example, did it stop him from dodging? Nope. In any case this still doesn't prevent his sensory abilities from working & noticing the other attacks.
I never described the Jins as slow moving opponents .I said both of the speed and the number was a factor.
Number never played a factor since they were attacking one at a time, the balancing act never played a factor either since it doesn't remove his ability to sense nor was there any mention of it affecting his movement speed.
Should I remind you that kabuto is a sensor too ,should I remind you that kabuto was fighting the whole fight with closed eyes to avoid being caught in genjutsu.
Irrelevant, he had sensory abilities yet didn't move when the magatamas were heading his way either, does that mean itachi's magatamas > kabuto in speed? Since he wasn't distracted.
Blindess has nothing to do with sensors unlike distraction.
Being blind = a distraction, obstructing an enemy's vision = distraction.
My point is that distractions don't impair sensory abilities, the same sensory abilities that were active when KCM naruto was getting blitzed.
Kabuto evaded the arrow despite being blind( kabuto was fighting with closed eyes) yet he couldnt evade the arrow while being distracted despite being sensor .
Doesn't matter, they were fired in close enough succession that kabuto couldn't do anything as shown through the dust clouds that were still there even after the SA was fired.
that is exactly the case with the Jins .the second Jin attacked Naruto after the first one immediately .
Lol No it's not, the jins were attacking individually & naruto could keep tabs on their locations throughout the entire fight, yet he still got blitzed by them.
Again. Kakashi and gai were directly in front of naruto ,the joins can't look at naruto without automatically looking at kakashi and gai
Having something in your vision =/= paying attention to it. How do you know obito didn't just set the jins to ignore everything else & just attack naruto? You don't.
If you cant differentiate between arguing for a certain point and arguing for a certain character as a victor ,then dont bother reply to me again.
If you wanna continue wanking kakashi then don't bother replying to me again, you only responded to me because of kakashi, if I was talking about gai then you wouldn't have cared. You're not just addressing my a point because you think I'm wrong, you're addressing it because it downplays kakashi.
If I replied to someone says that Edo Madara can evade Amatrasu in Itachi vs Edo Madara thread,does that mean I think Itachi would win !?
Same as above, anyone who would be bold enough to make such a claim would be ridiculed out of the VS section, so nothing wrong w/ replying to it either.
I bet you wouldn't say a word to a guy claiming that kakashi can break out of itachi's genjutsu, that's the difference. Lol
LOL I'm wanking the jins because I'm saying that kakashi can't keep up w/ them? Or that there's no proof that kakashi can keep up w/ the same speed as the ones who blitzed KCM naruto? Okay there pal, gonna have to ask you come join us back here on planet earth.
Until you can prove that kakashi can keep up w/ V2 jins then that claim is as empty as your head seems to be. U_U
Actually there is manga proof that samehada is a sensor. Kisame's words, he said that he and Samehada had tracked Bee's chakra when Bee asked how Kisame found him.
Okay there pal, gonna have to ask you come join us back here on planet earth.