[Discussion] Dragon ball z sucks now

[Hexuze]

That is also opinionated, there are people who likes it and there people who don't,

Just following your flawed logic.

Well sadly again we're not here to talk about your "care" because your "care" have nothing to do with it, but anime studio care so its really doesn't matter if you care or not,
Oda make the storyline for Strong World and in Z Oda design the character, to my surprise Z actually make more money and rated better by most despite Oda having less involvement,

The difference between you and me is that you want to push your opinion while am not because i happen to realize that neither of our opinion matters and we're not talking about that anyway,

It's funny how you asked me to elaborate and when I do you start to push it away lmao. He still had involvement and like I said before I don't care about the money/ratings. It does not equate to quality so it's irrelevant. (Not to say those movies were bad, they were enjoyable because Toei actually placed a high budget into the movies obviously)

they've done tons of filler in the past for one piece and everything went just fine, now they're formulating a new way to avoid filler and its also works,

Not that much. We only get a couple of episodes of filler. They could easily animate the cover stories that the OP manga offers which are important and make them into arcs. They could do that easily for a couple of months and there's quite a few cover stories that are important and long enough to make into an arc or two. It's something that the anime only fans are missing out on.

Nostalgia bias ? i don't dwell in that nonsensical crap, what is factual about your statement ? its an opinion if anything the one that is factual is sales and rating,

It sure seems that way. Um, I don't know, OP anime having slow pacing? A chapter per episode pacing is pretty bad especially how it doesn't even take 20 mins to read a single chapter of OP. It's already bad enough that the episodes don't start till the 5-7 minutes in.

Yes its really all just your opinion, pacing has always been a problem to most people but not me, cause i know how Oda build up his story line, anime pacing is even slower but there is fine reason for that, if you know how many people needed to make an anime and how hard they work for it then you wouldn't be saying all this, 12/26 episode is easy but for a long running series like one piece they must have undergo tons of staff change through the years director,key animator,production staff,episode director etc, to begin with its impossible but they did it anyway,

No it's not. A simple question, would you rather watch an episode that only covers a chapter (SOMETIMES IT BARELY even covers HALF a chapter) or just read a chapter of OP with Oda's magnificent artwork in less than 5 minutes? I wouldn't be complaining that much if the art was really good in the anime but it's not.

Nope it doesn't reinforce your point at all, as i said KAI is for advertising purposes, completely re making the series like sailor moon is crazy because they will need people to work for that and TOEI already have tons of anime running on TV already, and there is a big chance that it wont generate profit at all,

Toei could of done an actual remake. It's not expensive seeing how they own anime titles such as One Piece/SM/DBZ/Toriko and they could always cut cost with other series to make up for it. Which seems like they've been doing with One Piece.

Nah it only shows that some comic booknerds didn't like it all while millions of other people think otherwise, again opinionated,

Only the overseas fans think Toriko anime is bad, and frankly the manga is not that good to begin with,

Okay. Again, you just rely on what the Japanese think, shows how poor your critical thinking is. It's a bad adaptation and I'm waiting for you to tell me how it isn't.

No its not, why ? because madhouse is well aware that they're adapting a series that is not directed to audience for all ages, they chose their own field and reap what they sow, its all to be expected, that's why i said they're not stupid, they are more into the "sure money" series than risking their neck for it

And that's why I said they won't risk it because of how much of a budget/time they spend on series.

Am sure if Madhouse did everything in their resources and connection they can have toei dropped the series or at least let them work together, anime studio collaborating in making an anime is nothing new, heck madhouse collaborate with Prodcution IG to make Diamond No Ace anime,

Why do you think ufotable ended up dropping toriko ? because they're not capable of animating it in the long run, sure they can take a break once in a while and comeback when they feel like it, but Toriko is too big of a burden for ufotable they don't have resources,connection and staff to invest their time in working for the anime in the long run,
Ufotable is that kind of studio.

Madhouse wouldn't do that. I never implied they were desperate to animate the series. Heck, I don't think they would of made it a long running anime series like they did with HxH, assuming they got the rights to animating the series. They would most likely take the seasonal approach since Toriko isn't as popular as HxH is.

Yeah, so? It was just one OVA that was far better than the Toriko anime in terms of being an adaptation. That was my point and it still stands. I used the example of ufotable's OVA of Toriko as an example to show that another studio can do a better job than Toei in the same series title (Toriko). That OVA was old as well, it was from 2009, only a year after Toriko was created. There wasn't that much source material to work with but again it's not the point. It's to show that another studio can do a MUCH better job than Toei.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Just following your flawed logic.

there is nothing flawed about that, its a proven method.


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t's funny how you asked me to elaborate and when I do you start to push it away lmao. He still had involvement and like I said before I don't care about the money/ratings. It does not equate to quality so it's irrelevant. (Not to say those movies were bad, they were enjoyable because Toei actually placed a high budget into the movies obviously)

Am not pushing it back since, now i know you have some personal vendetta against toei, everything is irrelevant because its inconvenience for your argument things stand that their anime adaptation resulted in the good sales and rating that is factual and cannot be denied because its not an opinion and without a good quality then their product will never be sold like the empty theater seat in HxH movies screening,

Not that much. We only get a couple of episodes of filler. They could easily animate the cover stories that the OP manga offers which are important and make them into arcs. They could do that easily for a couple of months and there's quite a few cover stories that are important and long enough to make into an arc or two. It's something that the anime only fans are missing out on.

Not that much ? you might want look at it again, or by any chance did you skip pass through it ? well i envy you, i actually watch it weekly since 2001, maybe the luxury of watching an episode in a bulk dull affected your senses and judgement in pacing and most importantly enjoyment,

It sure seems that way. Um, I don't know, OP anime having slow pacing? A chapter per episode pacing is pretty bad especially how it doesn't even take 20 mins to read a single chapter of OP. It's already bad enough that the episodes don't start till the 5-7 minutes in.

that's how its always been at least after the time skip they take it up a notch,

No it's not. A simple question, would you rather watch an episode that only covers a chapter (SOMETIMES IT BARELY even covers HALF a chapter) or just read a chapter of OP with Oda's magnificent artwork in less than 5 minutes? I wouldn't be complaining that much if the art was really good in the anime but it's not.

Neither, i haven't watch one piece anime in a year, because i don't like Dressrosa arc in general,

Toei could of done an actual remake. It's not expensive seeing how they own anime titles such as One Piece/SM/DBZ/Toriko and they could always cut cost with other series to make up for it. Which seems like they've been doing with One Piece.

they have a lot of title running on TV right now, they're maybe a big company but they have their limits
you should take note at Sailor moon re-make, its a not a weekly show,

kay. Again, you just rely on what the Japanese think, shows how poor your critical thinking is. It's a bad adaptation and I'm waiting for you to tell me how it isn't.

Because i actually enjoyed the anime ? have you actually watch the entire series ? i have and its not as bad as people say, in fact i quite enjoy it,

you know ? the thing with your "exceptional" critical judgement is, it was affected by the nerds at youtube,
why don't you sit down and watch the series with your own will without the mindset of the guy at youtube who say its butchered and censored,

toriko's selling point was never been the gore and grotesque fighting style, its the world building and food, and toei did just that

And that's why I said they won't risk it because of how much of a budget/time they spend on series.

And that's why i said they didn't lose anything, its all according to plan, well for the most part that is,

Madhouse wouldn't do that. I never implied they were desperate to animate the series. Heck, I don't think they would of made it a long running anime series like they did with HxH, assuming they got the rights to animating the series. They would most likely take the seasonal approach since Toriko isn't as popular as HxH is.

Well of course madhouse is not stupid enough to risking their neck for a fallen manga,

Yeah, so? It was just one OVA that was far better than the Toriko anime in terms of being an adaptation. That was my point and it still stands. I used the example of ufotable's OVA of Toriko as an example to show that another studio can do a better job than Toei in the same series title (Toriko). That OVA was old as well, it was from 2009, only a year after Toriko was created. There wasn't that much source material to work with but again it's not the point. It's to show that another studio can do a MUCH better job than Toei.

yeah so ? but can they keep it up ? NOPE there is no way, and talking about doing a much better job than toei then when it comes to that no one can beat them, toei is exceptional when it comes to formulating a new trend, in their new movie Expelled from paradise they have finally fully integrated the 3d animation into an anime combined with the traditional anime key animation, and its doesn't look like a cheap cg at all like your signature.

 

[Hexuze]

there is nothing flawed about that, its a proven method.

No it isnt but you keep thinking that.

I Am not pushing it back since, now i know you have some personal vendetta against toei, everything is irrelevant because its inconvenience for your argument things stand that their anime adaptation resulted in the good sales and rating that is factual and cannot be denied because its not an opinion and without a good quality then their product will never be sold like the empty theater seat in HxH movies screening,

LOL can't I say the same for you about Madhouse or Toriko? I give credit when it's due but the issues with the OP anime outweigh the good things that it offers.

Not that much ? you might want look at it again, or by any chance did you skip pass through it ? well i envy you, i actually watch it weekly since 2001, maybe the luxury of watching an episode in a bulk dull affected your senses and judgement in pacing and most importantly enjoyment,

I watched it both in a bulk and as of now weekly since 2012. The filler content isn't much. It's clear that it's negatively impacting it as well when you have tons of stare offs and hear the den den mushi ringing for like a minute or having people just run around.

that's how its always been at least after the time skip they take it up a notch,

Your point?

Neither, i haven't watch one piece anime in a year, because i don't like Dressrosa arc in general,

Eh, then you shouldn't really be talking. The anime has been even worse with the Dressrosa arc.

they have a lot of title running on TV right now, they're maybe a big company but they have their limits
you should take note at Sailor moon re-make, its a not a weekly show,

Yeah, yet the animation/art isn't the greatest.

Because i actually enjoyed the anime ? have you actually watch the entire series ? i have and its not as bad as people say, in fact i quite enjoy it,

you know ? the thing with your "exceptional" critical judgement is, it was affected by the nerds at youtube,
why don't you sit down and watch the series with your own will without the mindset of the guy at youtube who say its butchered and censored,

toriko's selling point was never been the gore and grotesque fighting style, its the world building and food, and toei did just that

I don't have to watch the entire anime. I did see key points in my fav. arcs and it wasn't great. You enjoy it? No surprise there, you'd enjoy anything of Toei. A children's anime. Who said I'm basing my opinion off someone from youtube? Lol

It isn't. Toriko isn't about the blood/gore but it is a violent manga in general. There's rarely ever been a fight that wasn't violent in the series and clearly it isn't for a younger audience.

Lol I don't think you actually watched the entire anime. The ending made no sense and they've skipped out the outcome of a fight which gave Toriko character development at the end and on top of that they skipped on a death. Not to mention, they had Toriko defeat the main villain of the series. Etc. etc. There's far more alterations Toei has done. Toriko is one of the few series that contains an adult protagonist and it's series that isn't meant for children. Toei isn't known for producing anime series with a lot of violence to capture the fights of the Toriko and there's been violence since chapter 1. So again how is this a "great" adaptation? The final arc was butchered, most scenes were censored, we had a filler character that Toei tried to introduce into the series, Toei never captured ferocity of Toriko's character or even Zebra.

And that's why i said they didn't lose anything, its all according to plan, well for the most part that is,

Your point?

Well of course madhouse is not stupid enough to risking their neck for a fallen manga,

Why so salty? LMAO. Madhouse or any other studio would of picked up Toriko for sure if Toei hadn't. I was saying if someone like Madhouse had picked it up, they would of made the series seasonal as like all other series nowadays. It's rare to see long running anime series.

yeah so ? but can they keep it up ? NOPE there is no way, and talking about doing a much better job than toei then when it comes to that no one can beat them, toei is exceptional when it comes to formulating a new trend, in their new movie Expelled from paradise they have finally fully integrated the 3d animation into an anime combined with the traditional anime key animation, and its doesn't look like a cheap cg at all like your signature.

Toei picked up Toriko the same time Madhouse picked up HxH. They had almost as much material to work with and still messed it up because Toei failed on the target audience. Just shows how stupid Toei is and the anime director.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

No it isnt but you keep thinking that.

Whatever make you happy my point relied on factual data not from personal preference,

LOL can't I say the same for you about Madhouse or Toriko? I give credit when it's due but the issues with the OP anime outweigh the good things that it offers.

huh ? what i said about hxh movies is true, check it for yourself how sad their sales is, despite being one of the most popular shounen they lost out to Naruto road ninja by miles, i don't made it based on my personal preference.

I watched it both in a bulk and as of now weekly since 2012. The filler content isn't much. It's clear that it's negatively impacting it as well when you have tons of stare offs and hear the den den mushi ringing for like a minute or having people just run around.

there's plenty of filler before the time skip you know, and its actually quite enjoyable, well you watched it since 2012, so i guess you're missing that suspense in water 7 arc and marineford saga,

Your point?

for someone who has been following the anime since the nearly the beginning of this millennium, the anime has always been like that,

Eh, then you shouldn't really be talking. The anime has been even worse with the Dressrosa arc.

its pretty much the same with fishman island and punk hazard, there is hardly any difference in their pacing

Yeah, yet the animation/art isn't the greatest.

of course, every last one of them is long running series, but when it comes to their 12 episode anime like katanagatari or stand alone movie like expelled from paradise they're the best in animation, well 2nd to makoto shinkai movies,

I don't have to watch the entire anime. I did see key points in my fav. arcs and it wasn't great. You enjoy it? No surprise there, you'd enjoy anything of Toei. A children's anime. Who said I'm basing my opinion off someone from youtube? Lol

then you're doing it wrong by skipping and only watch some scene, and also what makes you pick a certain scene to watch ? someone else told you to ? right ? that's why i said those nerds at you tube affected your judgement, and also i didn't know it was animated by toei until half way through the series, well i never really cared about whose animating who because it have nothing to do with my judgement

t isn't. Toriko isn't about the blood/gore but it is a violent manga in general. There's rarely ever been a fight that wasn't violent in the series and clearly it isn't for a younger audience.

and like i said that violent things has never been their selling point,

Lol I don't think you actually watched the entire anime. The ending made no sense and they've skipped out the outcome of a fight which gave Toriko character development at the end and on top of that they skipped on a death. Not to mention, they had Toriko defeat the main villain of the series. Etc. etc. There's far more alterations Toei has done. Toriko is one of the few series that contains an adult protagonist and it's series that isn't meant for children. Toei isn't known for producing anime series with a lot of violence to capture the fights of the Toriko and there's been violence since chapter 1. So again how is this a "great" adaptation? The final arc was butchered, most scenes were censored, we had a filler character that Toei tried to introduce into the series, Toei never captured ferocity of Toriko's character or even Zebra.

I did watch the entire anime, and a forced ending will always look bad, toriko have adult protagonist but that doesn't mean they're meant for adult, toriko have personality of a teenage, he's not actually that ferocious he's more like goku and that's made him a shounen protagonist not a seinen dude like guts,

Your point?

my point is it didn't hurt their earning like you said, because everything is all according to plan, the know what they investing in and they know how much money the can get,

Why so salty? LMAO. Madhouse or any other studio would of picked up Toriko for sure if Toei hadn't. I was saying if someone like Madhouse had picked it up, they would of made the series seasonal as like all other series nowadays. It's rare to see long running anime series.

Salty ? they wouldn't make it seasonal because it was bound to lose viewers from time to time resulting in cancellation, a long running adaptation is better because they can measure up how much they can get immediately instead of waiting for it lose viewers with seasonal adaptation, long running adaptation is better for a shounen manga and WSJ wouldn't want their flagship series turned into a seasonal anime,

Toei picked up Toriko the same time Madhouse picked up HxH. They had almost as much material to work with and still messed it up because Toei failed on the target audience. Just shows how stupid Toei is and the anime director.

they didn't fail at all their result shown everything, if anything it was the manga that let them down with a pathetic attempt of copying dragon ball formula after the meaningless time skip.

 

[Hexuze]

Whatever make you happy my point relied on factual data not from personal preference,

And a stupid connection between high sales/rankings and top quality. Must of required a lot of brain power to formulate that judgement. Yes, that "personal preference" is backed up with good reasoning. I guess by your logic Naruto is a much better series than Gintama since Gintama can't even reach the sales Naruto did.

huh ? what i said about hxh movies is true, check it for yourself how sad their sales is, despite being one of the most popular shounen they lost out to Naruto road ninja by miles, i don't made it based on my personal preference.

huh ? I never said it wasn't, check it for yourself how blind you are.

there's plenty of filler before the time skip you know, and its actually quite enjoyable, well you watched it since 2012, so i guess you're missing that suspense in water 7 arc and marineford saga,

Only G8 was enjoyable the rest were meh - okay. Since the TS, there's barely been any filler arcs that spread out the gap between the anime and manga enough. Dressrosa arc is a prime example of that but ofc you skipped out on it since you thought it was bad or something. (btw it's #1 in sales so it must be a top-notch arc by your logic, no? LOOL)

If Toei had went on a long filler arc before starting Dressrosa arc we wouldn't have several episodes that barely cover a chapter worth of material or even half a chapter.

for someone who has been following the anime since the nearly the beginning of this millennium, the anime has always been like that,

Much like everyone else? Most of us here started watched anime for a long time since they were a kid.

its pretty much the same with fishman island and punk hazard, there is hardly any difference in their pacing

Nope. There were episodes in Dressrosa that barely covered half a chapter worth of material.

of course, every last one of them is long running series, but when it comes to their 12 episode anime like katanagatari or stand alone movie like expelled from paradise they're the best in animation, well 2nd to makoto shinkai movies,

Nope, SM:C is a special anniversary remake so it's expected to have amazing art/animation but it just doesn't by today's standards.

then you're doing it wrong by skipping and only watch some scene, and also what makes you pick a certain scene to watch ? someone else told you to ? right ? that's why i said those nerds at you tube affected your judgement, and also i didn't know it was animated by toei until half way through the series, well i never really cared about whose animating who because it have nothing to do with my judgement

Nah, I'm not. I said I picked out episodes that I enjoyed in the manga and watched them in the anime. I always check whichever studio is behind the animation whenever I'm watching an anime series nowadays. Yes, your judgment is irrational, placing high value on ratings/numbers and suggesting that it's quality because of that. That must of required a lot of analysis and brain power of yours to do so, right?

and like i said that violent things has never been their selling point,

and like I said it's part of the series, nearly every fight had a lot of blood/gore. It is a battle shonen, is it not? The world building of Toriko even got undermined during the cooking festival. Even the journey itself is ruined since Toei tried to shove a filler character (Tina) in our faces at an attempt of having fanservice in the series. It's like if Toei added a filler character to the SH's journey from episode 1, now let me ask you, is that a good adaptation of the material? Nope, not even close.

I did watch the entire anime, and a forced ending will always look bad, toriko have adult protagonist but that doesn't mean they're meant for adult, toriko have personality of a teenage, he's not actually that ferocious he's more like goku and that's made him a shounen protagonist not a seinen dude like guts,

The violence/blood/gore is what makes it for not suitable for children and the nature of Toriko. inb4 you say that violence is not the selling point. Yet it does play in certain ways, such as Toriko's fights in the cooking festival which gave him character development.

my point is it didn't hurt their earning like you said, because everything is all according to plan, the know what they investing in and they know how much money the can get,

Salty ? they wouldn't make it seasonal because it was bound to lose viewers from time to time resulting in cancellation, a long running adaptation is better because they can measure up how much they can get immediately instead of waiting for it lose viewers with seasonal adaptation, long running adaptation is better for a shounen manga and WSJ wouldn't want their flagship series turned into a seasonal anime,

Yeah, you're getting pretty mad. Nope, they run one season and see how it does. If it does well, they'll bring it back eventually. Long running anime would be result in a greater risk as oppose to just animating 12-24 episodes for a season.

they didn't fail at all their result shown everything, if anything it was the manga that let them down with a pathetic attempt of copying dragon ball formula after the meaningless time skip.

Taking jabs at the Toriko manga after realizing that your precious Toei had failed on creating an adaptation? Okay lmao. Stay salty. <3

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

And a stupid connection between high sales/rankings and top quality. Must of required a lot of brain power to formulate that judgement. Yes, that "personal preference" is backed up with good reasoning. I guess by your logic Naruto is a much better series than Gintama since Gintama can't even reach the sales Naruto did.

Its not stupid at all, you know its right, that's why you desperately trying to push your opinion, and yes Naruto is the better series for shounen manga, but i prefer Gintama, but that doesn't mean i'll go around saying that Naruto sucks, like you did,

huh ? I never said it wasn't, check it for yourself how blind you are.

I guess you lost in your own words
Everything that i said is in now way for my convenience its all based on factual data,

Only G8 was enjoyable the rest were meh - okay. Since the TS, there's barely been any filler arcs that spread out the gap between the anime and manga enough. Dressrosa arc is a prime example of that but ofc you skipped out on it since you thought it was bad or something. (btw it's #1 in sales so it must be a top-notch arc by your logic, no? LOOL)

and again that is your opinion millions of other people might have enjoyed the other filler, yes its 1st in sales but i didn't like it. but that doesn't mean i'll bash Oda for that right ? and the impel down saga sold more than them because its better, heck even the punk hazard volume trump the dressrosa arc, its only logical that the previous 2 arc sold more volume,

Much like everyone else? Most of us here started watched anime for a long time since they were a kid.

most of us ? yes... but not you.

Nope. There were episodes in Dressrosa that barely covered half a chapter worth of material.

Like i said its pretty much the same and it works,

Nope, SM:C is a special anniversary remake so it's expected to have amazing art/animation but it just doesn't by today's standards.

today standard ? you mean your standard ? LOL

Nah, I'm not. I said I picked out episodes that I enjoyed in the manga and watched them in the anime. I always check whichever studio is behind the animation whenever I'm watching an anime series nowadays. Yes, your judgment is irrational, placing high value on ratings/numbers and suggesting that it's quality because of that. That must of required a lot of analysis and brain power of yours to do so, right?

BOLD: that is pretty much the same LOL,

my judgement is unbiased and unaffected by hate/envy/grudges/stupidity etc, its a judgement based on numbers my knowledge in this matter and numbers don't lie, its not a rocket science really, you just need to get your head out of your ass,

and like I said it's part of the series, nearly every fight had a lot of blood/gore. It is a battle shonen, is it not? The world building of Toriko even got undermined during the cooking festival. Even the journey itself is ruined since Toei tried to shove a filler character (Tina) in our faces at an attempt of having fanservice in the series. It's like if Toei added a filler character to the SH's journey from episode 1, now let me ask you, is that a good adaptation of the material? Nope, not even close.

yes its part of the series and you couldn't;t be more obvious by saying it, the thing is toriko is serialized in wsj,
its a battle shounen thx for pointing that out LOL, the blood and gore is unnecessary and if you like toriko because of that then i guess the problem is on you or don;t tell me you like toriko because its full of muscular dude lmao, and also that filler character didn't do any harm its not like she's following toriko and his muscular friend everywhere,

she barely have any part to play in the anime,

The violence/blood/gore is what makes it for not suitable for children and the nature of Toriko. inb4 you say that violence is not the selling point. Yet it does play in certain ways, such as Toriko's fights in the cooking festival which gave him character development.

Its not the selling point alright, what kind of idiots who look for a blood/gore in shounen manga ? seinen is exist for that reason,

Yeah, you're getting pretty mad. Nope, they run one season and see how it does. If it does well, they'll bring it back eventually. Long running anime would be result in a greater risk as oppose to just animating 12-24 episodes for a season.

mad ? that seasonal thing only worked for small studio big studio like madhouse is more than capable of doing that,
making it a seasonal would have insulted shueisha since toriko is at that time is their best new manga,

Taking jabs at the Toriko manga after realizing that your precious Toei had failed on creating an adaptation? Okay lmao. Stay salty. <3

Am not taking a jab, its a fact they're doing dragon ball style, acacia full course(there are 7 full course) = seven dragon balls, to save the world, they meet new enemy, they lose/overwhelmed>train>victory>party rinse and repeat, well that party is one piece thing,

and i don;t hold toei precious at all, i don't like any studio in particular, unlike you who is obsessed about them.

 

[ayesha161]

You saying that is just disrespecting the legendary anime. Toei are using the latest animation technology. However, the animation back then looks better because why fix something that's not broken.

 

[Hexuze]

Its not stupid at all, you know its right, that's why you desperately trying to push your opinion, and yes Naruto is the better series for shounen manga, but i prefer Gintama, but that doesn't mean i'll go around saying that Naruto sucks, like you did,

It is but then again what would you know, right? There's other factors that influence sales, i.e. having an anime or not, the amount of push it gets from SJ, advertising, promotions, etc. etc. All these factors don't speak about the quality of the series.

I guess you lost in your own words
Everything that i said is in now way for my convenience its all based on factual data,

Then please point where I stated that. I clearly stated that money/sales/success isn't a factor when I judge a series and I don't care about it at all.

and again that is your opinion millions of other people might have enjoyed the other filler, yes its 1st in sales but i didn't like it. but that doesn't mean i'll bash Oda for that right ? and the impel down saga sold more than them because its better, heck even the punk hazard volume trump the dressrosa arc, its only logical that the previous 2 arc sold more volume,

Ofc it's my opinion but millions of people enjoyed it just because it was OP.

most of us ? yes... but not you.

Lol okay. You keep thinking that.

Like i said its pretty much the same and it works,

Yes, these 20 minute episodes that cover less than half a chapter worth of material per episode are a nice adaptation of the manga.

/sarcasm

today standard ? you mean your standard ? LOL

Nope.

BOLD: that is pretty much the same LOL,

my judgement is unbiased and unaffected by hate/envy/grudges/stupidity etc, its a judgement based on numbers my knowledge in this matter and numbers don't lie, its not a rocket science really, you just need to get your head out of your ass,

Nope, you said scenes. Please tell me that you know the difference between a scene and an episode. I made it clear that I was talking about episodes.

Numbers don't lie? They do, in this case with Toriko's anime. If you have crossovers and heavy promotions, whereas other series are not recieveing such benefits then it's a large advantage. Yeah, talk about getting your head out of your ass. Toriko had crossovers with DBZ & One Piece, not to mention it was aired right next to One Piece. Ask yourself this, would the anime as great if it had aired later on? Nope. (in terms of success)

yes its part of the series and you couldn't;t be more obvious by saying it, the thing is toriko is serialized in wsj,
its a battle shounen thx for pointing that out LOL, the blood and gore is unnecessary and if you like toriko because of that then i guess the problem is on you or don;t tell me you like toriko because its full of muscular dude lmao, and also that filler character didn't do any harm its not like she's following toriko and his muscular friend everywhere,

Well, like I said the violence is part of the series and no that's not what I read Toriko for, although it is a plus for me personally. I read Toriko for it's impressive world-building, characters, abilities, art-work, fights and other factors. Thanks to the alterations in the Toriko anime, we missed out on one of Toriko's biggest world building development but surely you wouldn't know.

Let me elaborate further, the geology of the Toriko world was a large mystery and seeing how Toei altered the outcome of the Coco vs Grinpatch fight, we never learned about how the Toriko world became such a large planet that it is today.

There's also zero character development with Toriko since they altered the outcome of the Toriko vs Starjun fight. Starjun never took Komatsu from Toriko which means that there's no trigger for Toriko's TS, the Bishokukai HQ wasn't destroyed which means that we won't see them relocating later on, also since Toei skipped out on Komatsu getting "kidnapped" we lost characterization of Ootake. I could elaborate even further on each of these points and heck I could discuss more but that's just to show you that the reduced violence isn't the only issue.

she barely have any part to play in the anime,

Doesn't matter. Did she not join Toriko & co.'s adventures?

Its not the selling point alright, what kind of idiots who look for a blood/gore in shounen manga ? seinen is exist for that reason,

No one does? You okay? O_O If you assumed that I read Toriko just for it's blood/gore then you are sadly mistaken. I already mentioned above why I read Toriko. If I loved violence so much I would be reading something like AoT but I'm not.

mad ? that seasonal thing only worked for small studio big studio like madhouse is more than capable of doing that,
making it a seasonal would have insulted shueisha since toriko is at that time is their best new manga,

Ever heard of something called negotiations?

Am not taking a jab, its a fact they're doing dragon ball style, acacia full course(there are 7 full course) = seven dragon balls, to save the world, they meet new enemy, they lose/overwhelmed>train>victory>party rinse and repeat, well that party is one piece thing,

and i don;t hold toei precious at all, i don't like any studio in particular, unlike you who is obsessed about them.

Yes you clearly were. You were proven that Toriko anime wasn't a great adaptation so you resorted to attacking the original source by talking about it's TS or w.e, which is irrelevant to this discussion. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Toriko has inspirations from DBZ, the author even explicitly drew references to DBZ in the current arc.

Eh idk, that's really debatable. Obsessed with a studio? Not at all. I never knew you took those jokes so seriously LOOL. Madhouse is indeed my fav. studio because of their library of series but it's not the best studio I've seen.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

It is but then again what would you know, right? There's other factors that influence sales, i.e. having an anime or not, the amount of push it gets from SJ, advertising, promotions, etc. etc. All these factors don't speak about the quality of the series.

all that factors derived to quality, without quality everything fall apart,

Then please point where I stated that. I clearly stated that money/sales/success isn't a factor when I judge a series and I don't care about it at all.

you never stated that LOL, like i said you lost in your own words, you can't seem to pick it up LOL

Ofc it's my opinion but millions of people enjoyed it just because it was OP.

Exactly and millions others enjoy toei one piece adaptations

Lol okay. You keep thinking that.

Its not what i think, you know the truth..

Yes, these 20 minute episodes that cover less than half a chapter worth of material per episode are a nice adaptation of the manga.

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Nope.

yes it is,

Nope, you said scenes. Please tell me that you know the difference between a scene and an episode. I made it clear that I was talking about episodes.

Numbers don't lie? They do, in this case with Toriko's anime. If you have crossovers and heavy promotions, whereas other series are not recieveing such benefits then it's a large advantage. Yeah, talk about getting your head out of your ass. Toriko had crossovers with DBZ & One Piece, not to mention it was aired right next to One Piece. Ask yourself this, would the anime as great if it had aired later on? Nope. (in terms of success)

you don't have to nitpick about that part, you're well aware about what i mean, unless you're incapable of understanding that, then my bad for being inconsiderate,

Numbers don't lie, the crossover is indeed a form of promotion obviously, other series wouldn't receive such benefit because they are not toriko and not animated by toei, you're mentioning the obvious, and asked a question that no one will ever know because it will never happen, well then i guess all manga that are serialized in wsj alongside one piece also get a benefit from it,

Well, like I said the violence is part of the series and no that's not what I read Toriko for, although it is a plus for me personally. I read Toriko for it's impressive world-building, characters, abilities, art-work, fights and other factors. Thanks to the alterations in the Toriko anime, we missed out on one of Toriko's biggest world building development but surely you wouldn't know.

Let me elaborate further, the geology of the Toriko world was a large mystery and seeing how Toei altered the outcome of the Coco vs Grinpatch fight, we never learned about how the Toriko world became such a large planet that it is today.

There's also zero character development with Toriko since they altered the outcome of the Toriko vs Starjun fight. Starjun never took Komatsu from Toriko which means that there's no trigger for Toriko's TS, the Bishokukai HQ wasn't destroyed which means that we won't see them relocating later on, also since Toei skipped out on Komatsu getting "kidnapped" we lost characterization of Ootake. I could elaborate even further on each of these points and heck I could discuss more but that's just to show you that the reduced violence isn't the only issue.

you lost me here, listen, am not interested in hearing your thorough analysis about toriko or whatever you want to called it, i was sure we're talking or least am talking about how blood and gore is unnecessary for toriko, so how did we get here ?, does this mean you agree that toriko have the tendencies to add unnecessary blood and gore ?

Doesn't matter. Did she not join Toriko & co.'s adventures?

Doesn't matter, she didn't do anything in particular

No one does? You okay? O_O If you assumed that I read Toriko just for it's blood/gore then you are sadly mistaken. I already mentioned above why I read Toriko. If I loved violence so much I would be reading something like AoT but I'm not.

yes no one does, because there is a fine reason it was a shounen magazine not a seinen, unless you're an idiot ?
am not assuming, am asking you a question, you don't read aot because its popular and there are people you hates like the series, its just that simple, now that is assuming. see the difference ?

Ever heard of something called negotiations?

of course, but when it comes to things like this ass kissing is more efficient unless you have some kind of godly reputation like toei then ass kissing is the only way

Yes you clearly were. You were proven that Toriko anime wasn't a great adaptation so you resorted to attacking the original source by talking about it's TS or w.e, which is irrelevant to this discussion. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Toriko has inspirations from DBZ, the author even explicitly drew references to DBZ in the current arc.

if i was then i would have said something inaccurate and completely baseless, and it is not irrelevant because i simply point out that the manga is the one that let the anime down, manga sucks= anime gone
and don't flatter yourself no one is proving anything,

Eh idk, that's really debatable. Obsessed with a studio? Not at all. I never knew you took those jokes so seriously LOOL. Madhouse is indeed my fav. studio because of their library of series but it's not the best studio I've seen.

that's how it looks like and you know it, but to save you from the embarrassment lets just its a joke.

 

[Hexuze]

all that factors derived to quality, without quality everything fall apart,

No it doesn't and the final arc of the Toriko anime is a prime example of that. It's the longest and the arc that had a lot of build up yet Toei still failed to deliver the quality. They failed to deliver because they failed to capture the correct audience since episode 1. LOL, you've still yet to refute these points, which you obviously can't.

you never stated that LOL, like i said you lost in your own words, you can't seem to pick it up LOL

I did, clearly you can't read. Refer to the bolded parts in my quotes:

It's funny how you asked me to elaborate and when I do you start to push it away lmao. He still had involvement and like I said before I don't care about the money/ratings. It does not equate to quality so it's irrelevant. (Not to say those movies were bad, they were enjoyable because Toei actually placed a high budget into the movies obviously)

Um, I really don't care about sales since that's the least of my concern when I'm judging a series. Movies are rarely ever canon, so what's your point? Besides, two of the OP's movies, Oda had some sort of involvement with them. Well the reasoning behind these terribly adapted episodes are far more logical than your reasoning which seem to tie with high ratings/sales. LMAO

Not to mention my others posts imply/suggest just that. Maybe instead of spending all that time watching anime, you should improve your reading comprehension. It's a useful skill and it doesn't make you look stupid.

Exactly and millions others enjoy toei one piece adaptations

Or they just want to support the show? There's other factors involved. Btw OP airs in the morning, right when kids are watching it. They wouldn't know if it's slow paced or not, just like no one complained when the pacing of DBZ was stretched. There's already a bias with OP in Japan seeing how freaking popular it is so it's bound to do well in the ratings regardless of the quality.

Its not what i think, you know the truth..

Clearly you won't believe or accept it. I have been watching anime since I was a kid. LOL how exactly are you going to prove me wrong?

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Na, pacing still ruins certain moments.

yes it is,

Nope.

you don't have to nitpick about that part, you're well aware about what i mean, unless you're incapable of understanding that, then my bad for being inconsiderate,

Numbers don't lie, the crossover is indeed a form of promotion obviously, other series wouldn't receive such benefit because they are not toriko and not animated by toei, you're mentioning the obvious, and asked a question that no one will ever know because it will never happen, well then i guess all manga that are serialized in wsj alongside one piece also get a benefit from it,

Nope, you said scenes, I said episodes. That's not nitpicking, you just don't know the difference between the two.

Those are other outside factors that influence the sales. Also, getting crossovers and promotions doesn't add up to the anime being a great adaptation since it has nothing to do with the original source material (canon).

you lost me here, listen, am not interested in hearing your thorough analysis about toriko or whatever you want to called it, i was sure we're talking or least am talking about how blood and gore is unnecessary for toriko, so how did we get here ?, does this mean you agree that toriko have the tendencies to add unnecessary blood and gore ?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You think an adaptation is great judging from it's rating/success, instead of referring to the original source material. You mentioned that the reduced violence in the anime isn't a big deal because Toriko's violence isn't it's selling point, it's the world building, plot, etc. Right? Well, my points fully show how the anime poorly adapted the manga because they skipped out scenes from the plot and key points in the world building of the Toriko and character development of certain characters. It's pretty clear that you're just brushing it off since I'm correct, that the anime didn't follow the manga correctly. I can't believe I actually had to tell you this. Are you sure you watched the cooking festival arc in the anime & read the manga?

Yeah Toriko does have a lot of blood/gore but it's necessary IMO. That's another discussion though. We're talking about the anime and how the adaptation holds. My points clearly show that it's a poor adaptation and it's supported from manga facts, whereas you support that it's a good/great adaptation based off the success/ratings. It's common knowledge to refer to the original source whenever discussing if the series is a good adaptation or not. If you want to discuss whether it's successful or not, then sure look at ratings/popularity/etc.

Doesn't matter, she didn't do anything in particular

Was she introduced in the manga as an official character? Nope. Thus she is filler that existed all through out the series and I don't really care what she did or not. She isn't part of the series and shouldn't even be partaking in Toriko's journey. Most likely a failed attempt of Toei in introducing fanservice to the series.

yes no one does, because there is a fine reason it was a shounen magazine not a seinen, unless you're an idiot ?
am not assuming, am asking you a question, you don't read aot because its popular and there are people you hates like the series, its just that simple, now that is assuming. see the difference ?

Re-phrase whatever you're saying LOL.

of course, but when it comes to things like this ass kissing is more efficient unless you have some kind of godly reputation like toei then ass kissing is the only way

They can still do that and my point still stands. You did nothing to refute it properly.

if i was then i would have said something inaccurate and completely baseless, and it is not irrelevant because i simply point out that the manga is the one that let the anime down, manga sucks= anime gone
and don't flatter yourself no one is proving anything,

that's how it looks like and you know it, but to save you from the embarrassment lets just its a joke.

Nope. It's just your hateful bias towards the TS of the Toriko manga. A baseless opinion at that as well.

Nah, it's not my fault you take jokes so seriously. Use common sense, if I praise Madhouse as much as I "say" I do, then I would of watched all/most of the anime series that they released.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

No it doesn't and the final arc of the Toriko anime is a prime example of that. It's the longest and the arc that had a lot of build up yet Toei still failed to deliver the quality. They failed to deliver because they failed to capture the correct audience since episode 1. LOL, you've still yet to refute these points, which you obviously can't.

yes it is all that things can only be achieved with quality product otherwise it wouldn't have lasted more than 20 episode, and the anime end like that because they already planned to end it that way, and they don't failed failed to capture the audience at all, toriko is a shounen manga and the anime is indeed intended to shounen demography, and what i said its the truth, what is there refute ? again you want to run away,

I did, clearly you can't read. Refer to the bolded parts in my quotes:

Not to mention my others posts imply/suggest just that. Maybe instead of spending all that time watching anime, you should improve your reading comprehension. It's a useful skill and it doesn't make you look stupid.

Its not that one LOL, and like i said you really are lost in your own words and can't seem to track back what this is all about,
its as clear as day that we're not here to talk about what you "care" about because my point is factual while yours is only an opinion,

Or they just want to support the show? There's other factors involved. Btw OP airs in the morning, right when kids are watching it. They wouldn't know if it's slow paced or not, just like no one complained when the pacing of DBZ was stretched. There's already a bias with OP in Japan seeing how freaking popular it is so it's bound to do well in the ratings regardless of the quality.

why would they want to support it if it was sucks like you said ? the japanese viewers can easily complained about toei and they will be in trouble and yet it never happen, everyone who have a say in this show including Oda is fine with it,

Clearly you won't believe or accept it. I have been watching anime since I was a kid. LOL how exactly are you going to prove me wrong?

there is nothing to believe or to accept about it, you have been watching anime as a kid but watching and liking and genuinely following the show is different,

Na, pacing still ruins certain moments.

according to the overseas fans, never heard anyone that is actually matters to the shows longevity whine about it

Nope.

in denial i see,

Nope, you said scenes, I said episodes. That's not nitpicking, you just don't know the difference between the two.

Those are other outside factors that influence the sales. Also, getting crossovers and promotions doesn't add up to the anime being a great adaptation since it has nothing to do with the original source material (canon).

In the end its all the same, because you only watch a certain part which deluded your judgement, and of course you watch it because someone else from youtube told you that they butchered that part and you want to see it for yourself for the sake of hating on it, in other words, you don't have any good intention in the 1st place,

of course it has nothing with the original material, but as an anime they do and its important,

Oh yeah, I forgot. You think an adaptation is great judging from it's rating/success, instead of referring to the original source material. You mentioned that the reduced violence in the anime isn't a big deal because Toriko's violence isn't it's selling point, it's the world building, plot, etc. Right? Well, my points fully show how the anime poorly adapted the manga because they skipped out scenes from the plot and key points in the world building of the Toriko and character development of certain characters. It's pretty clear that you're just brushing it off since I'm correct, that the anime didn't follow the manga correctly. I can't believe I actually had to tell you this. Are you sure you watched the cooking festival arc in the anime & read the manga?

I don't think it is, that' how it is, and yeah violence isn't the big part of the series, but didn't you whine about that ? and yes i am the one who mention world building etc, so this means you agree that violence is not needed right ?because instead of talking about violence you run away and mentioned other things that i stated, and as for someone who watch the anime there is nothing really wrong about the world building and the plot in the anime, its all come down to what kind of mindset you have while watching the show,

Yeah Toriko does have a lot of blood/gore but it's necessary IMO. That's another discussion though. We're talking about the anime and how the adaptation holds. My points clearly show that it's a poor adaptation and it's supported from manga facts, whereas you support that it's a good/great adaptation based off the success/ratings. It's common knowledge to refer to the original source whenever discussing if the series is a good adaptation or not. If you want to discuss whether it's successful or not, then sure look at ratings/popularity/etc.

of course its your opinion what else ? but your point is only your opinion too, the anime being different is not necessarily mean it was a bad adaptation, making things different from the manga in anime requires the author agreement and if shimabukuro approve who are you to denied ?

Was she introduced in the manga as an official character? Nope. Thus she is filler that existed all through out the series and I don't really care what she did or not. She isn't part of the series and shouldn't even be partaking in Toriko's journey. Most likely a failed attempt of Toei in introducing fanservice to the series.

of course not, that's why its called filler character, you didn't care about what she did and yet you care about her existence ? LOL

Re-phrase whatever you're saying LOL.

bulls eye i guess

They can still do that and my point still stands. You did nothing to refute it properly.

in this matter they can't, all they can do is sending an application/request to the editorial department and wait,

Nope. It's just your hateful bias towards the TS of the Toriko manga. A baseless opinion at that as well.

how is that hateful bias when all i said is actually happening ? its not an opinion its a fact

Nah, it's not my fault you take jokes so seriously. Use common sense, if I praise Madhouse as much as I "say" I do, then I would of watched all/most of the anime series that they released.

you want to watch their anime and you tried, but you didn't like them and you don't have the decency to said it out loud that its sucks because you are in love with anime studio, but lets just say its a joke ok ? its easier that way.

 

[Memento Mori]

If there is no quality how can one get such fame & name and so money.It is not like this anime's quality is bad but we still buy them,do we ?.

 

[Hexuze]

yes it is all that things can only be achieved with quality product otherwise it wouldn't have lasted more than 20 episode, and the anime end like that because they already planned to end it that way, and they don't failed failed to capture the audience at all, toriko is a shounen manga and the anime is indeed intended to shounen demography, and what i said its the truth, what is there refute ? again you want to run away,

You're not getting the aspect that other factors influence sales that places other series over others. It's called marketing. FMA is a better quality manga than Naruto but never had higher sales because it never had the popularity and marketing that Naruto had.

No, the Toriko anime was aired right next to the legendary series One Piece and had multiple crossovers with that series. It's hard for that anime to fail with the ratings since it had all that promotion and heck it even had a crossover with DBZ. ^^ That's what you have to refute, yet you run away every time.

Its not that one LOL, and like i said you really are lost in your own words and can't seem to track back what this is all about,
its as clear as day that we're not here to talk about what you "care" about because my point is factual while yours is only an opinion,

It is that one. Clearly you were denying that I stated money/sales/success isn't a factor when I judge a series and I don't care about it at all. I proved you wrong. How ironic LMAO. You're lost in your own words dude.

No, it is clear that we are talking about what I think. It's your fault for asking me to elaborate and once I start to elaborate, you start getting all defensive and mad. Next time think before you post something, it'll save yourself some time from getting to debates that you don't like and it won't make you look so stupid (as you're doing right now).

why would they want to support it if it was sucks like you said ? the japanese viewers can easily complained about toei and they will be in trouble and yet it never happen, everyone who have a say in this show including Oda is fine with it,

Hmm.... idk, maybe because they want to see their fav. manga animated? Heck, I even watch it weekly even though I know how piss poor the pacing is because I want to see my fav. manga animated and I typically love every chapter of OP. (even if the art at times in the anime is pretty bad)

Some people want to support it, others want to see OP animated, children watch it because it's a early morning cartoon for them, etc. etc. etc. These other factors aren't difficult to determine. Yes because Toei is going to drop a series that they've invested billions of dollars into just over complaints. It doesn't bother them because it's a business for them and as long as they are reciveing money for this then they're okay. The pacing is bad, it's not an opinion of mine but a fact. Covering only a chapter per episode that only takes 4-5 mins at best to read shouldn't be adapted and strectched to being 15 mins +, not to mention it's even worse now since it barely covers half a chapter at times.

there is nothing to believe or to accept about it, you have been watching anime as a kid but watching and liking and genuinely following the show is different,

Yet I've been watching and liking anime since I was a kid.

according to the overseas fans, never heard anyone that is actually matters to the shows longevity whine about it

Nope see for yourself. Compare the anime and manga, then make the judgement yourself. It's not rocket science.

in denial i see,

Nah, not a chance.

In the end its all the same, because you only watch a certain part which deluded your judgement, and of course you watch it because someone else from youtube told you that they butchered that part and you want to see it for yourself for the sake of hating on it, in other words, you don't have any good intention in the 1st place,

of course it has nothing with the original material, but as an anime they do and its important,

That's irrelevant if someone did or did not tell me on youtube that the anime is butchered (even though I told you that I didn't). Am I not showing you examples of how the manga and anime are different?

I don't think it is, that' how it is, and yeah violence isn't the big part of the series, but didn't you whine about that ? and yes i am the one who mention world building etc, so this means you agree that violence is not needed right ?because instead of talking about violence you run away and mentioned other things that i stated, and as for someone who watch the anime there is nothing really wrong about the world building and the plot in the anime, its all come down to what kind of mindset you have while watching the show,

Yes, I did "whine" about the reduced violence, so what? Yeah, you're not the only one who reads Toriko for it's world building, don't feel too special there LMAO. I never said the violence is not needed. You said the anime did fine with the world building of Toriko and my post showed that the anime didn't. Running away, are you serious? LOL I'm addressing your points since I know if I were to show you how the anime reduced the violence you wouldn't care. If you actually read that post of mine, I explicitly stated that I wanted to show that the reduced violence isn't the only problem with the anime, it skipped out on major plot points, world building and character development. There are more aspects but those are the most important ones that you and me agree on.

Mindset? LOL wut. There's clear differences between the anime and manga when it comes to the world building, plot and character development. These differences, I have already explained using examples of the original source material. Do I really have to start showing you manga pages now? Anyways, therefore the anime didn't follow the manga correctly Which makes it a bad adaptation.

of course its your opinion what else ? but your point is only your opinion too, the anime being different is not necessarily mean it was a bad adaptation, making things different from the manga in anime requires the author agreement and if shimabukuro approve who are you to denied ?

Nope, those points of mine are from the manga and are factual. If the anime went off course from what the manga was showing, then what kind of adaptation is it then? I can't believe I'm asking you such a question since it's obvious that it's bad.

of course not, that's why its called filler character, you didn't care about what she did and yet you care about her existence ? LOL

A filler character partaking in Toriko's journey is a good adaptation to you? Yeah, okay rofl. I said I don't care about her actions (whether her involved is big or not), she doesn't need to be there.

bulls eye i guess

Running away I see LOOL

in this matter they can't, all they can do is sending an application/request to the editorial department and wait,

Yet there's still a possibility. Again my point still stands.

how is that hateful bias when all i said is actually happening ? its not an opinion its a fact

Such as?

you want to watch their anime and you tried, but you didn't like them and you don't have the decency to said it out loud that its sucks because you are in love with anime studio, but lets just say its a joke ok ? its easier that way.

LOL what? Well, no I haven't tried any of their animes besides the ones that I've watched. LOL I love how you're talking for me and assuming so much.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You're not getting the aspect that other factors influence sales that places other series over others. It's called marketing. FMA is a better quality manga than Naruto but never had higher sales because it never had the popularity and marketing that Naruto had.

Am not ignoring the other aspect i simply point out that without a quality it wouldn't get such attention let alone generate a good result, fma being a better manga than naruto is an opinion,

No, the Toriko anime was aired right next to the legendary series One Piece and had multiple crossovers with that series. It's hard for that anime to fail with the ratings since it had all that promotion and heck it even had a crossover with DBZ. ^^ That's what you have to refute, yet you run away every time.

what does having it airing right before one piece have anything to do with it ? its not that hard for the anime to fail if it was sucks as you said, why would people want to watch it if it was horrible ? why would they give a high rating for a horrible show ? because one piece aired next ?its sunday, multiple anime air at sunday during that time line,
see what you're doing here you're trying to denied a fact with assumption,

It is that one. Clearly you were denying that I stated money/sales/success isn't a factor when I judge a series and I don't care about it at all. I proved you wrong. How ironic LMAO. You're lost in your own words dude.

Huh ? i guess its time for me to layered it down for you, you were saying "LOL can't I say the same for you about Madhouse or Toriko? " this is where you loss and from there on you can't seem to remember your own statement and started saying random things and repeating your own words, you proved nobody wrong,

No, it is clear that we are talking about what I think. It's your fault for asking me to elaborate and once I start to elaborate, you start getting all defensive and mad. Next time think before you post something, it'll save yourself some time from getting to debates that you don't like and it won't make you look so stupid (as you're doing right now).

But you're elaborating in the wrong place, which is about toriko, and while am asking you to elaborate how exactly toei couldn't do anything right despite being best and most successful anime studio ? all you said is they suck for not following the manga and bla bla, if they suck they they wouldn't be at the top

you should take your own advice

Hmm.... idk, maybe because they want to see their fav. manga animated? Heck, I even watch it weekly even though I know how piss poor the pacing is because I want to see my fav. manga animated and I typically love every chapter of OP. (even if the art at times in the anime is pretty bad)

that's what you think, others might actually enjoy it,

Some people want to support it, others want to see OP animated, children watch it because it's a early morning cartoon for them, etc. etc. etc. These other factors aren't difficult to determine. Yes because Toei is going to drop a series that they've invested billions of dollars into just over complaints. It doesn't bother them because it's a business for them and as long as they are reciveing money for this then they're okay. The pacing is bad, it's not an opinion of mine but a fact. Covering only a chapter per episode that only takes 4-5 mins at best to read shouldn't be adapted and strectched to being 15 mins +, not to mention it's even worse now since it barely covers half a chapter at times.

you see when it comes to things like this, the one in power is shueisha and oda himself, if oda said cut the crap i want other studio to animate it then its shall be done, but instead oda never said a word

Yet I've been watching and liking anime since I was a kid.

Oh cut the crap will ya ? the 1st time i see you in one piece section is in mid 2012, and your very 1st post is bashing the series and making/using a picture mocking luffy and made it your signature,

Nope see for yourself. Compare the anime and manga, then make the judgement yourself. It's not rocket science.

I have and i don't mind,

Nah, not a chance.

oh yes you are,

That's irrelevant if someone did or did not tell me on youtube that the anime is butchered (even though I told you that I didn't). Am I not showing you examples of how the manga and anime are different?

you don't have to show me, am being made aware about it by watching the entire show on my own will while the guy in you tube told you all about it, see the difference ?

Yes, I did "whine" about the reduced violence, so what? Yeah, you're not the only one who reads Toriko for it's world building, don't feel too special there LMAO. I never said the violence is not needed. You said the anime did fine with the world building of Toriko and my post showed that the anime didn't. Running away, are you serious? LOL I'm addressing your points since I know if I were to show you how the anime reduced the violence you wouldn't care. If you actually read that post of mine, I explicitly stated that I wanted to show that the reduced violence isn't the only problem with the anime, it skipped out on major plot points, world building and character development. There are more aspects but those are the most important ones that you and me agree on.

actually i didn't read toriko for its world building.. i read it for the food, i said the anime did fine with the world building while you disagree that's all, your post only shows your opinion and my post showed mine, its to use as example that if you don't enjoy it someone else might

Mindset? LOL wut. There's clear differences between the anime and manga when it comes to the world building, plot and character development. These differences, I have already explained using examples of the original source material. Do I really have to start showing you manga pages now? Anyways, therefore the anime didn't follow the manga correctly Which makes it a bad adaptation.

As i said above even if you said its a bad adaptation others might think otherwise

Nope, those points of mine are from the manga and are factual. If the anime went off course from what the manga was showing, then what kind of adaptation is it then? I can't believe I'm asking you such a question since it's obvious that it's bad.

your point is indeed factual but not in this context of.. the anime is bad for not following manga, because even without following the manga the anime sill make it into top 10 tv rating in japan and aired for than 100 episode now that number is factual in this matter, which rendered your point about the anime is bad for not following manga as nothing more than an opinion

A filler character partaking in Toriko's journey is a good adaptation to you? Yeah, okay rofl. I said I don't care about her actions (whether her involved is big or not), she doesn't need to be there.

She's not doing anything in particular and she didn't disturb anyone, but well i guess you prefer the filler character to be another muscular man who bond with toriko instead of women reporter who barely did anything huh ?

Running away I see LOOL

huh ? did i guess it right about your hate on shingeki no kyojin ?

Yet there's still a possibility. Again my point still stands.

your point have no ground to begin with, because you don't know how this works, basically the anime studio send a request to animate the series, but the problem is multiple studio also send a request, now in this matter its completely up the shueisha and the mangaka to decided, the one with the better terms get the deal, the only negotiation in this matter is about who is going the va, who will sing the opening and ending song,
or is it ok for the anime to change something from the manga,

so its easy to say that the one with a seasonal adaptation approach will get turned down, especially with toriko popularity at that time, shueisha will never let that happen,

Such as?

they're going to find the legendary full course ( there are 7 full course ) and save the world and there is a 7 dragon ball, they meet new enemy > overwhelmed > training > victory, rinse and repeat

LOL what? Well, no I haven't tried any of their animes besides the ones that I've watched. LOL I love how you're talking for me and assuming so much.

there is no place for truth in the internet when it comes to things like this, fact remain that you piss on death parade before knowing it was animated by madhouse, surely its safe to assume that you tried watching their other adaptation, but lets just say it never happen ok ?

 

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Am not ignoring the other aspect i simply point out that without a quality it wouldn't get such attention let alone generate a good result, fma being a better manga than naruto is an opinion,

You are ignoring it, all your posts point to that. I'm suggesting that the success/attention isn't solely based on the quality. It's other factors as well. If you've taken some business classes you would know that having a high quality product doesn't necessarily equate to sales. You have to have the correct marketing strategies to get it's popularity going. Which is something that Toei excelled for Toriko, it received a lot of attention with it's crossovers and promotions. The quality side wasn't critiqued as much since the demographic is children and as long the anime is colorful and vibrant with some flashy animations it would get their attention and enjoyment.

what does having it airing right before one piece have anything to do with it ? its not that hard for the anime to fail if it was sucks as you said, why would people want to watch it if it was horrible ? why would they give a high rating for a horrible show ? because one piece aired next ?its sunday, multiple anime air at sunday during that time line,
see what you're doing here you're trying to denied a fact with assumption,

Why wouldn't it? It's bound to get high views since it's aired right before OP and the ratings are typically high because of kids watching both Toriko and One Piece. Obviously the kids wouldn't complain, Toei made the series a children friendly series. Um, no I'm not. If you look at the weekly top 10 TV rankings it's mainly children friendly anime series.

Huh ? i guess its time for me to layered it down for you, you were saying "LOL can't I say the same for you about Madhouse or Toriko? " this is where you loss and from there on you can't seem to remember your own statement and started saying random things and repeating your own words, you proved nobody wrong,

You never made that clear, even when I asked you to point it out. If you were referring to that sentence why didn't you make it clear from the start? Yet you were telling me that I never stated that money/sales/success isn't a factor when I judge a series and I don't care about it at all. It's simply poor communication on your part since you can't even formulate sentences. Not my problem that you're illiterate.

Anyways, you said I had some sort of personal vendetta against toei and I asked you the question; can't I say the same for you about Madhouse or Toriko? You always raged when I joke around about praising Madhouse and you hate the Toriko TS.

But you're elaborating in the wrong place, which is about toriko, and while am asking you to elaborate how exactly toei couldn't do anything right despite being best and most successful anime studio ? all you said is they suck for not following the manga and bla bla, if they suck they they wouldn't be at the top

you should take your own advice

No, I'm not. You asked me how Toei is a failure (even after I made it clear that I wasn't referring to their success) and I said that they have poor adaptations (poor pacing in OP/DBZ & not following canon material in Toriko). If you had better reading comprehension, you would of been able to figure this out.

that's what you think, others might actually enjoy it,

I don't care. I'm judging it by comparison with the original source and it messed up big time. (huge alterations to the story)

you see when it comes to things like this, the one in power is shueisha and oda himself, if oda said cut the crap i want other studio to animate it then its shall be done, but instead oda never said a word

Wait. You don't actually think it's that simple, right? There's a whole legal process just to take away Toei's licence for animating One Piece. That process in of itself would be long and tedious, especially with a large company like Toei and seeing how much promotion the OP anime gives to the manga, I'm sure as hell shueisha wouldn't let that slide. Also, it's bringing Oda money so why would he really care? Maybe Toei did tell Oda not to worry about the poor pacing as they have plans to "reboot" the series after OP is over. (pretty much give it the DBZ:K treatment, which is very plausible)

Oh cut the crap will ya ? the 1st time i see you in one piece section is in mid 2012, and your very 1st post is bashing the series and making/using a picture mocking luffy and made it your signature,

Yes, because OP is the first anime that I've watched. I'm not just talking about OP specifically but LOOL and It's not mid 2012. I never knew my trolling posts had that much a toll on you that you remember even today, lmao. I've been watching OP weekly since 2012 and I don't see how you watching OP a long time ago makes any differences. Did we not watch the same episodes? lmfao.

I have and i don't mind,

You told me that you haven't watched the anime in like a year.

oh yes you are,

Nope.

you don't have to show me, am being made aware about it by watching the entire show on my own will while the guy in you tube told you all about it, see the difference ?

LOL you're getting so desperate and can't read at all.

actually i didn't read toriko for its world building.. i read it for the food, i said the anime did fine with the world building while you disagree that's all, your post only shows your opinion and my post showed mine, its to use as example that if you don't enjoy it someone else might

That post of mine isn't an opinion, it's a manga fact. They skipped out important key points about Toriko's world building. Well, you want to see Toriko's full course development I presume? The anime skipped out on Ichiryuu's death which means no billion bird arc and in turn means no billion bird egg for Toriko's full course menu. I can go on about how butchered the series is and use manga facts to support my claim, unlike some sort of preference that you have with the anime.

As i said above even if you said its a bad adaptation others might think otherwise

Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to me what others think about this matter. I showed how it's a bad adaptation by using examples that occurred in the manga.

your point is indeed factual but not in this context of.. the anime is bad for not following manga, because even without following the manga the anime sill make it into top 10 tv rating in japan and aired for than 100 episode now that number is factual in this matter, which rendered your point about the anime is bad for not following manga as nothing more than an opinion

Now we're talking about the anime as a whole? The only argument started because you got some problem over me saying that Toei can never do anything right (implying they had bad adaptations) and you went on talking about how successful they are. I am not denying how successful they are and it's more than obvious that they are one of the most successful studios out there but it's clearly not what I'm talking about. You're just wasting your time by showing me these top 10 ratings and success stories because it has nothing to do with my argument. An anime is suppose to advertise the manga and Toei had failed to do that. How does Toriko defeat the final villain that has eaten Acacia's full course, especially right after a fight with Starjun? It doesn't even make sense. It was extremely different that appeared in the manga, he got his ass kicked by Starjun. The children demographic wouldn't complain ofc because Toriko got a flashy transformation and defeated the villain easily. It's not hard to please a younger audience.

Even without the manga, it had crossovers with One Piece and DBZ to promote the series.

She's not doing anything in particular and she didn't disturb anyone, but well i guess you prefer the filler character to be another muscular man who bond with toriko instead of women reporter who barely did anything huh ?

Nope. I would of complained just as much if they had placed Luffy from OP as the filler character. I don't care who he or she is, it's filler and doesn't have to mixed in with the canon material. That's my point.

huh ? did i guess it right about your hate on shingeki no kyojin ?

I'm still waiting for you to rephrase whatever gibberish you were trying to say.

your point have no ground to begin with, because you don't know how this works, basically the anime studio send a request to animate the series, but the problem is multiple studio also send a request, now in this matter its completely up the shueisha and the mangaka to decided, the one with the better terms get the deal, the only negotiation in this matter is about who is going the va, who will sing the opening and ending song,
or is it ok for the anime to change something from the manga,

so its easy to say that the one with a seasonal adaptation approach will get turned down, especially with toriko popularity at that time, shueisha will never let that happen,

No it wouldn't. That doesn't add up to the anime getting turned down. It's obvious that Madhouse can suggest the idea of making it seasonal, whether the likelihood of it getting turned down is either low or high. My point is that it's a possibility.

they're going to find the legendary full course ( there are 7 full course ) and save the world and there is a 7 dragon ball, they meet new enemy > overwhelmed > training > victory, rinse and repeat

The legendary full course has been setup that way before the TS and it was obvious that they would eventually hunt it down.

there is no place for truth in the internet when it comes to things like this, fact remain that you piss on death parade before knowing it was animated by madhouse, surely its safe to assume that you tried watching their other adaptation, but lets just say it never happen ok ?

Pissed on death parade? I don't really recall doing such a thing, other than just saying it looks like it's not my type of series or that it looks meh judging from a still picture. The first time I watched Death Parade, I enjoyed it. I had no context of what the series is before watching it. I went in blind. I'm surprised you still remember all this though XD My jokes/troll posts seriously affect you that much? I hope you don't lose any sleep over it.

 

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You are ignoring it, all your posts point to that. I'm suggesting that the success/attention isn't solely based on the quality. It's other factors as well. If you've taken some business classes you would know that having a high quality product doesn't necessarily equate to sales. You have to have the correct marketing strategies to get it's popularity going. Which is something that Toei excelled for Toriko, it received a lot of attention with it's crossovers and promotions. The quality side wasn't critiqued as much since the demographic is children and as long the anime is colorful and vibrant with some flashy animations it would get their attention and enjoyment.

Not at all, am pretty sure i said all that factors derived from quality meaning that i acknowledge them, without quality they wouldn't even considered continuing the anime into the 3rd cour let alone putting a big advertising and promotion for it, if its sucks then it doesn't matter what kind of promotion they put, prime example is Naruto road to ninja... the promotion for the movie is bigger than One Piece strong world and yet its a big loss for the studio

Why wouldn't it? It's bound to get high views since it's aired right before OP and the ratings are typically high because of kids watching both Toriko and One Piece. Obviously the kids wouldn't complain, Toei made the series a children friendly series. Um, no I'm not. If you look at the weekly top 10 TV rankings it's mainly children friendly anime series.

Because its sucks like you said it is ? you have to keep in mind that kids are not the only one watching, infact the majority of viewers that i saw in the premiere of toriko's movie is a teenage girls/boys, there is hardly a kid there,

and that viewers most of them are called otaku and when it comes to things like their favorite series they're like you, aggressive, i find it hard to believe that such creature will just sit down and do nothing if they were unpleasant about something that they like, i mean this people terrorize a mangaka and make life miserable for him just because the mangaka is using the same setting like their favorite manga, so if someone were butchering their favorite series i would assume they will burn that studio or at very least attack the director, and yet they did nothing

You never made that clear, even when I asked you to point it out. If you were referring to that sentence why didn't you make it clear from the start? Yet you were telling me that I never stated that money/sales/success isn't a factor when I judge a series and I don't care about it at all. It's simply poor communication on your part since you can't even formulate sentences. Not my problem that you're illiterate.

that's was my fault, i should stop expecting so much from you

Anyways, you said I had some sort of personal vendetta against toei and I asked you the question; can't I say the same for you about Madhouse or Toriko? You always raged when I joke around about praising Madhouse and you hate the Toriko TS.

Huh ? i don't have anything against both, unlike you, you don't see me go around in every thread insulting madhouse and demeaning toriko every time i get the chance yes ?

No, I'm not. You asked me how Toei is a failure (even after I made it clear that I wasn't referring to their success) and I said that they have poor adaptations (poor pacing in OP/DBZ & not following canon material in Toriko). If you had better reading comprehension, you would of been able to figure this out.

So how can they be a failure and yet they stand on top of everyone else ? saying they don't follow manga and have terrible pacing don't add up to their incredible achievement, how exactly they manage to sell garbage to people without them realizing it ?

its clear now isn't it, tell me now how could they do this, and don't say because they had one piece and dragon ball,
they already a big company long before that,

and exactly how is all that high end sponsor come crowding to them offering to invest in their project when according to you they produce garbage ?

so how are they fail when they manage to accomplish more than everyone else have ever achieved ?

I don't care. I'm judging it by comparison with the original source and it messed up big time. (huge alterations to the story)

have it ever crossed your brilliant mind that they also don't care about what you think ?

Wait. You don't actually think it's that simple, right? There's a whole legal process just to take away Toei's licence for animating One Piece. That process in of itself would be long and tedious, especially with a large company like Toei and seeing how much promotion the OP anime gives to the manga, I'm sure as hell shueisha wouldn't let that slide. Also, it's bringing Oda money so why would he really care? Maybe Toei did tell Oda not to worry about the poor pacing as they have plans to "reboot" the series after OP is over. (pretty much give it the DBZ:K treatment, which is very plausible)

Oh yes its that simple, used to be maybe not but now ? Shueisha would rather pick Oda side than toei why ?
remember when they turned their back on togashi ? yes, Oda quitting his manga will be a bigger disaster than losing money from toei,

oh and also, Oda is a rare type of mangaka, he care about money sure, but he like his series more than money, i don't think he will just sit down if he was unhappy with the anime, and the fact that he actually work together with toei in the past means Oda is content with them,

Yes, because OP is the first anime that I've watched (sarcasm). LOOL and It's not mid 2012. I never knew my trolling posts had that much a toll on you that you remember even today, lmao.

1st time i mention that you admit it and you fell stupid about it, the 2nd time you denied it saying that it was the 4 kids version that make you hate it, and now the 3rd time you said you were trolling.....


interesting....

You told me that you haven't watched the anime in like a year.

am sure there is not much difference between the pacing/animation in dressrosa and Fishman Island/Punk Hazard arc

LOL you're getting so desperate and can't read at all.

well that's my line, i guess another bulls eye huh ?

That post of mine isn't an opinion, it's a manga fact. They skipped out important key points about Toriko's world building. Well, you want to see Toriko's full course development I presume? The anime skipped out on Ichiryuu's death which means no billion bird arc and in turn means no billion bird egg for Toriko's full course menu. I can go on about how butchered the series is and use manga facts to support my claim, unlike some sort of preference that you have with the anime.

In this context yes its an opinion because apparently what you just present have no actual effect on how the show is received by the viewers, so saying its bad for not following manga is only your opinion...

Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to me what others think about this matter. I showed how it's a bad adaptation by using examples that occurred in the manga.

Same goes for them they don't care about what you think, that's why its your opinion

Now we're talking about the anime as a whole? The only argument started because you got some problem over me saying that Toei can never do anything right (implying they had bad adaptations) and you went on talking about how successful they are. I am not denying how successful they are and it's more than obvious that they are one of the most successful studios out there but it's clearly not what I'm talking about. You're just wasting your time by showing me these top 10 ratings and success stories because it has nothing to do with my argument. An anime is suppose to advertise the manga and Toei had failed to do that. How does Toriko defeat the final villain that has eaten Acacia's full course, especially right after a fight with Starjun? It doesn't even make sense. It was extremely different that appeared in the manga, he got his ass kicked by Starjun. The children demographic wouldn't complain ofc because Toriko got a flashy transformation and defeated the villain easily. It's not hard to please a younger audience.

nope, we're still talking about whatever that we are talking about, stop going around the bushes, you already mention this up there, i already layering it down for you up there

Nope. I would of complained just as much if they had placed Luffy from OP as the filler character. I don't care who he or she is, it's filler and doesn't have to mixed in with the canon material. That's my point.

then sue toei, it looks this women makes life difficult for you, heck i hardly notice her while watching the anime

I'm still waiting for you to rephrase whatever gibberish you were trying to say.

I guess it really hit you hard.. just take the hit...

No it wouldn't. That doesn't add up to the anime getting turned down. It's obvious that Madhouse can suggest the idea of making it seasonal, whether the likelihood of it getting turned down is either low or high. My point is that it's a possibility.

but that wouldn't be called negotiation because they never have a chance to begin with,

The legendary full course has been setup that way before the TS and it was obvious that they would eventually hunt it down.

yes but the fact that they're going to use that to save the world and that boring pattern says it all

Pissed on death parade? I don't really recall doing such a thing, other than just saying it looks like it's not my type of series or that it looks meh judging from a still picture. The first time I watched Death Parade, I enjoyed it. I had no context of what the series is before watching it. I went in blind. I'm surprised you still remember all this though XD My jokes/troll posts seriously affect you that much? I hope you don't lose any sleep over it.

well unfortunately for you i happen to possess a strong memory, like i said don't flatter yourself

yes, you have no knowledge about the series and yet you have the decency to demean it in front of everyone else, and as soon as someone mentioned that it was made by madhouse you actually give it a try, its safe to assume that just by mentioning madhouse you will watch it and saying that you're obsessed with it its not a stretch.

 

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Not at all, am pretty sure i said all that factors derived from quality meaning that i acknowledge them, without quality they wouldn't even considered continuing the anime into the 3rd cour let alone putting a big advertising and promotion for it, if its sucks then it doesn't matter what kind of promotion they put, prime example is Naruto road to ninja... the promotion for the movie is bigger than One Piece strong world and yet its a big loss for the studio

No, a series can be bad in quality yet still make the top 30 sales. Sales rarely ever equate to solely quality, it's a handful of factors, not just the quality itself. Some factors overpower others, i.e. some series may have incredible quality and is perfectly written but may not have the type of advertisement of that a series of lesser quality has. Not to mention that biases exists in sales, unless you're really going to tell that it speaks about the quality of the series.

Because its sucks like you said it is ? you have to keep in mind that kids are not the only one watching, infact the majority of viewers that i saw in the premiere of toriko's movie is a teenage girls/boys, there is hardly a kid there,

and that viewers most of them are called otaku and when it comes to things like their favorite series they're like you, aggressive, i find it hard to believe that such creature will just sit down and do nothing if they were unpleasant about something that they like, i mean this people terrorize a mangaka and make life miserable for him just because the mangaka is using the same setting like their favorite manga, so if someone were butchering their favorite series i would assume they will burn that studio or at very least attack the director, and yet they did nothing

It's an early morning cartoon, who else do you think it's aimed for? Seniors? LOL. It's obvious with the direction Toei was heading, it was aimed for children and seeing how colorful/vibrant Toei made Toriko as well. Just compare Ufotable's OVA of Toriko and Toriko's 1st anime episode. Ufotable's followed the manga and it was far less colorful and "friendly" like Toei portrayed.

So a couple of people you saw at the premiere of the Toriko movie generalizes for the majority of people who watched it in Japan? Unless you actually watched the premiere in Japan and not in your country. Actually if Toriko's audience was mainly teenagers, we wouldn't have seen such an extreme censorship. The anime was aimed for an audience for everyone, all ages alike. Mostly children watched the anime and there's people out there who just have a preference over manga so it doesn't affect them how butchered it is. I mean this video speaks for itself and who mostly watches it:
[video=youtube;f57yc-26VvM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f57yc-26VvM[/video]

that's was my fault, i should stop expecting so much from you

Good, you finally grew a pair and manned up to it.

Huh ? i don't have anything against both, unlike you, you don't see me go around in every thread insulting madhouse and demeaning toriko every time i get the chance yes ?

Well MH you do seem pissed whenever I praise it or someone mentions it as being a good studio. As for Toriko, I've seen you try to bash the series over the dislike of the TS.

So how can they be a failure and yet they stand on top of everyone else ? saying they don't follow manga and have terrible pacing don't add up to their incredible achievement, how exactly they manage to sell garbage to people without them realizing it ?

its clear now isn't it, tell me now how could they do this, and don't say because they had one piece and dragon ball,
they already a big company long before that,

and exactly how is all that high end sponsor come crowding to them offering to invest in their project when according to you they produce garbage ?

so how are they fail when they manage to accomplish more than everyone else have ever achieved ?

I never said that they don't follow the manga, that's for Toriko. OP has the issue of slow pacing but I don't think the adaptation is as bad as Toriko's. Anyways to answer your question, it's called the multiple crossovers they placed with OP/DBZ that gave Toriko a push. In fact, the first episode of Toriko was a crossover. Yes, it was clear as day that Toei was trying to push Toriko as much as they can since they know that they can't adapt the series that well.

have it ever crossed your brilliant mind that they also don't care about what you think ?

You asked me to elaborate and so I did just that. You could of easily avoided all this easily.

Oh yes its that simple, used to be maybe not but now ? Shueisha would rather pick Oda side than toei why ?
remember when they turned their back on togashi ? yes, Oda quitting his manga will be a bigger disaster than losing money from toei,

oh and also, Oda is a rare type of mangaka, he care about money sure, but he like his series more than money, i don't think he will just sit down if he was unhappy with the anime, and the fact that he actually work together with toei in the past means Oda is content with them,

Nope, especially since it involves legal work since we're working a licensing and not to mention other contracts/legal documents that were signed by Oda/Toei before the start of the anime. Oda quitting his manga? LOL what. You think Oda would really "blackmail" them like that since that's what it seems like you're implying here.

True but would someone that works extremely hard on his manga go out of his way that much to do that? Like I said before, Oda may of addressed the issue of the pacing to Toei before but may of gotten a response that he reasons/agrees with. I.E. a remake/reboot later on. A remake/reboot would be beneficial for Oda and the series that he spent decades writing.

1st time i mention that you admit it and you fell stupid about it, the 2nd time you denied it saying that it was the 4 kids version that make you hate it, and now the 3rd time you said you were trolling.....


interesting....

I don't honestly remember the first time but I'm pretty sure I was just joking/trolling. Admit what though? The second time I remember that OP 4kids version did alter my views on the show since I never knew how much it butchered the series. Yeah, I hated the 4kids dub, much like everyone does since it had terrible VA's, childish censors and skips out on episodes and even arcs. Regarding the third time, I was trolling. I'm surprised that I even have to tell you that I was trolling in the first place since I was known for being a troll back then.

Yes, very interesting you remembered all three scenarios, two of which occurred 3 years+ ago. Never knew I had such a huge fan back then but hey seemed like my trolling did work. Tbh, I barely even remember it and it's pretty sad that you do and still bring it up (i.e the second time).

am sure there is not much difference between the pacing/animation in dressrosa and Fishman Island/Punk Hazard arc

Yeah, it's clear as day that you don't know what you're talking about. You haven't watched the anime in over a year so how would you even have a idea of the anime is doing recently in terms of pacing? I'll save you the time of watching all the episodes and tell you how bad the pacing is.

PH had a chapter per episode pacing consistently (emphasis on consistently), in the manga it was a 45 chapter arc so in the anime it was 45 episodes long. The Dressrosa arc started out in episode 629 and the current episode out is episode 689. In those 60 episodes, only 52 chapters were covered. You can do the math yourself and see how inconsistent and piss poor that is. A better measure would see how many episode were adapted from the first 46 chapters of the Dressrosa arc (that way you can compare it with PH better), the episode that covered the 46th chapter of the DR arc is ep. 681/682. Yeah...

well that's my line, i guess another bulls eye huh ?

No it isn't and it's more like another miss.

In this context yes its an opinion because apparently what you just present have no actual effect on how the show is received by the viewers, so saying its bad for not following manga is only your opinion...

I thought I told you that I'm talking about adaptation.

Same goes for them they don't care about what you think, that's why its your opinion

Yet, I'll repeat the same thing that I kept saying time and time again which you don't really address since you know it's true. You asked me to elaborate even though my first few posts was implying that Toei has poor adaptations.

nope, we're still talking about whatever that we are talking about, stop going around the bushes, you already mention this up there, i already layering it down for you up there

And it's adaptations, not the quality of the anime. You can have a bad adaptation yet still have a good quality anime. FMA is probably the most popular example of that. Yes the quality of the anime is an opinion of mine, although I would like to say that the quality of the Toriko anime is bad since the ending made no sense.

However, the adaptation which we are talking about since the main reason why I told you that Toei sucks is because of their terrible adaptations (Toriko being the example of that), whereas OP/DBZ are just bad adaptations.

then sue toei, it looks this women makes life difficult for you, heck i hardly notice her while watching the anime

Sure, you want to help me? I don't mind giving you a small portion of the money. You hardly noticed her? Lol I'm starting to think that you didn't watch the anime.

I guess it really hit you hard.. just take the hit...

Nope, I never got hit. But please, rephrase whatever you said.

but that wouldn't be called negotiation because they never have a chance to begin with,

Says who? You? Some dude who thinks he knows how business negotiations work and assume the probability of Toriko being a seasonal anime as impossible? yeah okay lol.

yes but the fact that they're going to use that to save the world and that boring pattern says it all

Lol You just brush it off that easily? It's not a boring pattern a lot and it's too early to judge anyways.

well unfortunately for you i happen to possess a strong memory, like i said don't flatter yourself

yes, you have no knowledge about the series and yet you have the decency to demean it in front of everyone else, and as soon as someone mentioned that it was made by madhouse you actually give it a try, its safe to assume that just by mentioning madhouse you will watch it and saying that you're obsessed with it its not a stretch.

More like an obsessive memory over my posts but let's carry on with your false assumption here...

I had no knowledge about the series? Correct. I had the decency to demean it? Nope, just said it looked meh. Yeah, like I'm suppose to judge a series properly by just looking at a still image. That was more or less my "first impression" of it, given that I had zero context to what it was about. Let's make this clear, I'm not obsessed with Madhouse. Just because I want to watch an anime since that my fav. studio is behind it, doesn't mean I'm obsessed LOL. It just means that I'm a fan of the studio. In fact, I don't even think they're the best studio.

Do you see me giving a perfect ratings for all their anime series? Nope. In fact, I even mentioned that I found the parasyte series to be pretty meh towards the ending and I think I gave it a 7/10. Anyways, point here is that if I was obsessed with Madhouse, I wouldn't have given Parasyte anime such an average rating which is even lower than what I rate the OP anime. Another reason that disproves that I'm not obsessed; I didn't even watch no near all of their anime adaptations, heck I haven't watched the anime they released for spring 2015 (Ore Monogatari). There's a lot more reasons that show I'm not obsessed over MH and I would of just told you straight up that I'm not obsessed over that studio but I doubt you would of taken my word for it.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

No, a series can be bad in quality yet still make the top 30 sales. Sales rarely ever equate to solely quality, it's a handful of factors, not just the quality itself. Some factors overpower others, i.e. some series may have incredible quality and is perfectly written but may not have the type of advertisement of that a series of lesser quality has. Not to mention that biases exists in sales, unless you're really going to tell that it speaks about the quality of the series.

What are you talking about ? 30 top sales ?
and of course sales rarely ever equate to solely quality, but that doesn't mean there is no quality, that's why i stated everything can be traced back to quality, all that things is possible because quality is the roots of all that factor,
without that people will realize that it was a fraud and it will never get a good result,

It's an early morning cartoon, who else do you think it's aimed for? Seniors? LOL. It's obvious with the direction Toei was heading, it was aimed for children and seeing how colorful/vibrant Toei made Toriko as well. Just compare Ufotable's OVA of Toriko and Toriko's 1st anime episode. Ufotable's followed the manga and it was far less colorful and "friendly" like Toei portrayed.

Its Sunday....everyone can watch it or can't they ?, its freaking obvious that shounen manga is aimed at children i mean its freaking shounen, i don't see why that is a problem, and if Ufotable is soo good then why are they not the one making it ?

So a couple of people you saw at the premiere of the Toriko movie generalizes for the majority of people who watched it in Japan? Unless you actually watched the premiere in Japan and not in your country. Actually if Toriko's audience was mainly teenagers, we wouldn't have seen such an extreme censorship. The anime was aimed for an audience for everyone, all ages alike. Mostly children watched the anime and there's people out there who just have a preference over manga so it doesn't affect them how butchered it is. I mean this video speaks for itself and who mostly watches it:
[video=youtube;f57yc-26VvM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f57yc-26VvM[/video]

A couple ? there are tons of people there, am living in Indonesia we get Japanese program called Imagine Nation that covered about anime and manga, at that time they covered toriko and talked about how popular it is, interviewing people here and there and shows the live coverage for the movie premiere and it was big and i don't see any children over there,

Extreme censorship or not the one who read the manga will surely complained about it.. why ? anime is the pinnacle for manga, and the anime will surely effect the manga in a bad or good way, if the anime were bad like you said there is no way this people will just sit down and do nothing, and this is not about preference, am talking about otaku, and like i said previously they got pissed over the most trivial matter

Good, you finally grew a pair and manned up to it.

Like i said i should expecting so much from you,

Well MH you do seem pissed whenever I praise it or someone mentions it as being a good studio. As for Toriko, I've seen you try to bash the series over the dislike of the TS.

pissed ?, am dropping some knowledge , just because i state the truth doesn't mean am hating,
try to bash the series ? you're seeing things

I never said that they don't follow the manga, that's for Toriko. OP has the issue of slow pacing but I don't think the adaptation is as bad as Toriko's. Anyways to answer your question, it's called the multiple crossovers they placed with OP/DBZ that gave Toriko a push. In fact, the first episode of Toriko was a crossover. Yes, it was clear as day that Toei was trying to push Toriko as much as they can since they know that they can't adapt the series that well.

you don't answer anything.. cross over is a form of promotion, am not asking you about toriko, am asking you about toei in general, because you said they can't do anything right but the fact that they are the number 1 in their field, doesn't add up to your statement,

my questions remain unanswered

You asked me to elaborate and so I did just that. You could of easily avoided all this easily.

Not in this matter champ, you could have easily avoid that,

Nope, especially since it involves legal work since we're working a licensing and not to mention other contracts/legal documents that were signed by Oda/Toei before the start of the anime. Oda quitting his manga? LOL what. You think Oda would really "blackmail" them like that since that's what it seems like you're implying here.

they can easily meet all the term to compromise and let series go in mutual terms, like i said the mangaka is considered god in this matter, let alone the mangaka who produce the best selling manga of all time in their history,
they ignore togashi request in the past and togashi make them pay for that, surely now the wouldn't do such thing if Oda ever make a demand for them

True but would someone that works extremely hard on his manga go out of his way that much to do that? Like I said before, Oda may of addressed the issue of the pacing to Toei before but may of gotten a response that he reasons/agrees with. I.E. a remake/reboot later on. A remake/reboot would be beneficial for Oda and the series that he spent decades writing.

its because that he works extremely hard for his manga, that he will do anything to ensure that no one is ruining the anime, well if anything its toei that compromise with Oda in order to give him some space and reduce his deadline in case of the anime catching up to the manga

I don't honestly remember the first time but I'm pretty sure I was just joking/trolling. Admit what though? The second time I remember that OP 4kids version did alter my views on the show since I never knew how much it butchered the series. Yeah, I hated the 4kids dub, much like everyone does since it had terrible VA's, childish censors and skips out on episodes and even arcs. Regarding the third time, I was trolling. I'm surprised that I even have to tell you that I was trolling in the first place since I was known for being a troll back then.

Yes, very interesting you remembered all three scenarios, two of which occurred 3 years+ ago. Never knew I had such a huge fan back then but hey seemed like my trolling did work. Tbh, I barely even remember it and it's pretty sad that you do and still bring it up (i.e the second time).

Well no one wanted to remember or admit doing something embarrassing in the past, especially if now you're ass kissing to the one that you insult and demean back then, back pedaling at its best.... interesting

Yeah, it's clear as day that you don't know what you're talking about. You haven't watched the anime in over a year so how would you even have a idea of the anime is doing recently in terms of pacing? I'll save you the time of watching all the episodes and tell you how bad the pacing is.

PH had a chapter per episode pacing consistently (emphasis on consistently), in the manga it was a 45 chapter arc so in the anime it was 45 episodes long. The Dressrosa arc started out in episode 629 and the current episode out is episode 689. In those 60 episodes, only 52 chapters were covered. You can do the math yourself and see how inconsistent and piss poor that is. A better measure would see how many episode were adapted from the first 46 chapters of the Dressrosa arc (that way you can compare it with PH better), the episode that covered the 46th chapter of the DR arc is ep. 681/682. Yeah...

then like i said there is not much difference 1 chapter/episode and half chapter/episode, i can handle that

No it isn't and it's more like another miss.

so you do know what i meant after all, but pretending to be clueless says it all

I thought I told you that I'm talking about adaptation.

you're talking about it being bad adaptation which is your opinion

Yet, I'll repeat the same thing that I kept saying time and time again which you don't really address since you know it's true. You asked me to elaborate even though my first few posts was implying that Toei has poor adaptations.

and you did just that, in which i tell you that bad adaptation is only your opinion

And it's adaptations, not the quality of the anime. You can have a bad adaptation yet still have a good quality anime. FMA is probably the most popular example of that. Yes the quality of the anime is an opinion of mine, although I would like to say that the quality of the Toriko anime is bad since the ending made no sense.

So you do get it after all, and of course the ending is bad, it was a forced ending, there is no way its going to be good

However, the adaptation which we are talking about since the main reason why I told you that Toei sucks is because of their terrible adaptations (Toriko being the example of that), whereas OP/DBZ are just bad adaptations.

in which i told you that the terrible adaptation is only your opinion

Sure, you want to help me? I don't mind giving you a small portion of the money. You hardly noticed her? Lol I'm starting to think that you didn't watch the anime.

I also happen to posses the ability of ignoring the character that annoy and uninteresting for me, that's how i got through parasyte

Nope, I never got hit. But please, rephrase whatever you said.

pstttt just take the hit

Says who? You? Some dude who thinks he knows how business negotiations work and assume the probability of Toriko being a seasonal anime as impossible? yeah okay lol.[

Of course, and the fact that it never happen to begin with

Lol You just brush it off that easily? It's not a boring pattern a lot and it's too early to judge anyways.

Well am just mentioning the unpleasant part about the series, but since i dropped the manga its doesn't matter anymore

More like an obsessive memory over my posts but let's carry on with your false assumption here...

I had no knowledge about the series? Correct. I had the decency to demean it? Nope, just said it looked meh. Yeah, like I'm suppose to judge a series properly by just looking at a still image. That was more or less my "first impression" of it, given that I had zero context to what it was about. Let's make this clear, I'm not obsessed with Madhouse. Just because I want to watch an anime since that my fav. studio is behind it, doesn't mean I'm obsessed LOL. It just means that I'm a fan of the studio. In fact, I don't even think they're the best studio.

Oh well.. whatever
you don't have to judge it properly, you always have the option to shut your mouth instead of saying meh.. right ?
or if you want to say something but you don't know anything about it then its common sense to look it up before you started opening your mouth,

Do you see me giving a perfect ratings for all their anime series? Nope. In fact, I even mentioned that I found the parasyte series to be pretty meh towards the ending and I think I gave it a 7/10. Anyways, point here is that if I was obsessed with Madhouse, I wouldn't have given Parasyte anime such an average rating which is even lower than what I rate the OP anime. Another reason that disproves that I'm not obsessed; I didn't even watch no near all of their anime adaptations, heck I haven't watched the anime they released for spring 2015 (Ore Monogatari). There's a lot more reasons that show I'm not obsessed over MH and I would of just told you straight up that I'm not obsessed over that studio but I doubt you would of taken my word for it.

Well yeah parasyte sucks, and oh did madhouse animate that ? well i wouldn't know lol..
oh and look you also know about their spring series this year huh ? again i wouldn't know that
and yeah you're not obsessed at all that's why i said lets just take it as a joke LOL

 

[Hexuze]

What are you talking about ? 30 top sales ?
and of course sales rarely ever equate to solely quality, but that doesn't mean there is no quality, that's why i stated everything can be traced back to quality, all that things is possible because quality is the roots of all that factor,
without that people will realize that it was a fraud and it will never get a good result,

I was using top 30 sales to drive my point. I never said that there is no quality, either? LOL Weren't you the assuming the series that in the top have top quality? I never once said that they have no quality but rather that just because they are at the top doesn't mean they are top quality series. A series can be bad in quality, yet still make it to the top 30 selling list, hence why I brought it up. Besides quality is all subjective, it's not factual. Your points seem to contradict themselves.

Its Sunday....everyone can watch it or can't they ?, its freaking obvious that shounen manga is aimed at children i mean its freaking shounen, i don't see why that is a problem, and if Ufotable is soo good then why are they not the one making it ?

Everyone but mostly children. Toriko isn't a children friendly series with all the blood/gore it gets. Neither is HxH a children friendly series and it's rumored that parents were complaining about the violence so you can only imagine what they would say about Toriko's violence (assuming Toei stayed true to what was depicted in the manga).

A couple ? there are tons of people there, am living in Indonesia we get Japanese program called Imagine Nation that covered about anime and manga, at that time they covered toriko and talked about how popular it is, interviewing people here and there and shows the live coverage for the movie premiere and it was big and i don't see any children over there,

Extreme censorship or not the one who read the manga will surely complained about it.. why ? anime is the pinnacle for manga, and the anime will surely effect the manga in a bad or good way, if the anime were bad like you said there is no way this people will just sit down and do nothing, and this is not about preference, am talking about otaku, and like i said previously they got pissed over the most trivial matter

Just because you don't see children at the premiere, doesn't mean children don't watch it mostly. Not to mention, there could of been fans that are just manga only fans and not anime only fans but decided to give the movie a try since it's something new.

As for the censorship, maybe they don't care, idk. Point is, it's not a good adaptation. That's not even an opinion of mine since I showed how bad it is in all aspects (story/world-building/characters/fights/violence/etc).

Like i said i should expecting so much from you,

Lol okay.

pissed ?, am dropping some knowledge , just because i state the truth doesn't mean am hating,
try to bash the series ? you're seeing things

It's not the truth.

you don't answer anything.. cross over is a form of promotion, am not asking you about toriko, am asking you about toei in general, because you said they can't do anything right but the fact that they are the number 1 in their field, doesn't add up to your statement,

my questions remain unanswered

No you just have poor reading comprehension. I was telling you that Toei can't get anything right in terms of adaptations (pacing, following manga & poor art/animation with the recent eps. of OP). I'm mainly talking about adaptations and even a bad adaptation can still be successful.

Not in this matter champ, you could have easily avoid that,

Yep, you were the one who started this LMAO.

they can easily meet all the term to compromise and let series go in mutual terms, like i said the mangaka is considered god in this matter, let alone the mangaka who produce the best selling manga of all time in their history,
they ignore togashi request in the past and togashi make them pay for that, surely now the wouldn't do such thing if Oda ever make a demand for them

Lol Yeah Toei is going to come to a compromise over giving up one of their huge titles.

its because that he works extremely hard for his manga, that he will do anything to ensure that no one is ruining the anime, well if anything its toei that compromise with Oda in order to give him some space and reduce his deadline in case of the anime catching up to the manga

Well clearly that's not working out seeing how close the anime is with the manga. You know it's getting bad when they're mixing a lot of filler into the canon material.

Well no one wanted to remember or admit doing something embarrassing in the past, especially if now you're ass kissing to the one that you insult and demean back then, back pedaling at its best.... interesting

Um, no. It was more than obvious that I was trolling and people went past it. Besides you ofc, since you seem to lose sleep over it and cry about it till this day. In fact, people were understanding of it since I watched the 4kids dub as a kid. Dude, it's time for you to move on, it's a 3 year old post. LMAO

then like i said there is not much difference 1 chapter/episode and half chapter/episode, i can handle that

Yeah so having the pacing reduced to more than half is not much of a difference? You're delusional now LOOL, that Toei dildo is that far up your ass, huh? Like I said before, you haven't watched the anime for over a year. You have no idea what you're talking about.

so you do know what i meant after all, but pretending to be clueless says it all

Not a chance.

you're talking about it being bad adaptation which is your opinion

Nope, it's not following the original source and making extreme alterations, therefore it's a bad adaptation.

and you did just that, in which i tell you that bad adaptation is only your opinion

Like I said, it's backed with facts from the manga. So it's not an opinion, it is bad. You can't argue that it's good or even okay since Toei missed the mark on several things.

So you do get it after all, and of course the ending is bad, it was a forced ending, there is no way its going to be good

I always understood it, I never implied good adaptation = good quality.

in which i told you that the terrible adaptation is only your opinion

On the subject of adaptations it's rarely ever opinionated, especially when it fails in so many aspects in terms of sticking to the source material.

I also happen to posses the ability of ignoring the character that annoy and uninteresting for me, that's how i got through parasyte

Good for you.

pstttt just take the hit

pstttt I never got hit.

Of course, and the fact that it never happen to begin with

Now, that's opinionated. There's a chance, whether it's big or small, doesn't matter to me that much.

Well am just mentioning the unpleasant part about the series, but since i dropped the manga its doesn't matter anymore

Yeah, it's more than obvious that you did drop the manga.

Oh well.. whatever
you don't have to judge it properly, you always have the option to shut your mouth instead of saying meh.. right ?
or if you want to say something but you don't know anything about it then its common sense to look it up before you started opening your mouth,

I can always voice my opinion of the first impressions of a series. Not my problem you take things too seriously

Well yeah parasyte sucks, and oh did madhouse animate that ? well i wouldn't know lol..
oh and look you also know about their spring series this year huh ? again i wouldn't know that
and yeah you're not obsessed at all that's why i said lets just take it as a joke LOL

Well now you do. Besides, you could of easily known that if you listened to the opening or watched episode 12, when they were playing the credits when Shinichi was talking. It's not that hard, there's sites out there that have the list of all the spring animes with the studio name next to it. Yeah, back out now once you found out that none of your points weren't adding up. Plus you went through all that trouble to accuse me? LOL nice.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I was using top 30 sales to drive my point. I never said that there is no quality, either? LOL Weren't you the assuming the series that in the top have top quality? I never once said that they have no quality but rather that just because they are at the top doesn't mean they are top quality series. A series can be bad in quality, yet still make it to the top 30 selling list, hence why I brought it up. Besides quality is all subjective, it's not factual. Your points seem to contradict themselves.

Without a top quality, all that factors will never be realized let alone works, promotion and advertising can only works if the initial product live up to its expectation,

Everyone but mostly children. Toriko isn't a children friendly series with all the blood/gore it gets. Neither is HxH a children friendly series and it's rumored that parents were complaining about the violence so you can only imagine what they would say about Toriko's violence (assuming Toei stayed true to what was depicted in the manga).

same goes for other shounen anime, children friendly or not, it was intended for shounen demography

Just because you don't see children at the premiere, doesn't mean children don't watch it mostly. Not to mention, there could of been fans that are just manga only fans and not anime only fans but decided to give the movie a try since it's something new.

well yeah i never said that children don't watch it, it could have been manga only fans and it could have been not,

As for the censorship, maybe they don't care, idk. Point is, it's not a good adaptation. That's not even an opinion of mine since I showed how bad it is in all aspects (story/world-building/characters/fights/violence/etc).

If they care about stupid things like voice actor *** scandal and a mangaka who use the same setting like their favorite series then saying they didn't care about a "bad anime adaptation" is absurd,
and it being bad adaptation is only your opinion not following manga is not necessarily mean a bad adaptation

It's not the truth.

As far as am concern all of it was true, not a single one of them is made up or affected by hate etc

No you just have poor reading comprehension. I was telling you that Toei can't get anything right in terms of adaptations (pacing, following manga & poor art/animation with the recent eps. of OP). I'm mainly talking about adaptations and even a bad adaptation can still be successful.

And am saying all that along with it being a bad adaptation is only your opinion, because other people might think otherwise,

and again my question remain unanswered

Yep, you were the one who started this LMAO.

And i said you could have easily avoid that,

Lol Yeah Toei is going to come to a compromise over giving up one of their huge titles.

If the mangaka want that then its shall be done

Well clearly that's not working out seeing how close the anime is with the manga. You know it's getting bad when they're mixing a lot of filler into the canon material.

It still give oda some room to relax because at this rate toei will keep doing this,

Um, no. It was more than obvious that I was trolling and people went past it. Besides you ofc, since you seem to lose sleep over it and cry about it till this day. In fact, people were understanding of it since I watched the 4kids dub as a kid. Dude, it's time for you to move on, it's a 3 year old post. LMAO

yeah lets called it trolling like i said "no one wanted to remember or admit doing something embarrassing in the past"

Yeah so having the pacing reduced to more than half is not much of a difference? You're delusional now LOOL, that Toei dildo is that far up your ass, huh? Like I said before, you haven't watched the anime for over a year. You have no idea what you're talking about.

to 1 chapter/episode into half chapter/episode and they only did that in some episode, there is not much difference of course

Nope, it's not following the original source and making extreme alterations, therefore it's a bad adaptation.

again its your opinion, because other might thinks its a good one,

Like I said, it's backed with facts from the manga. So it's not an opinion, it is bad. You can't argue that it's good or even okay since Toei missed the mark on several things.

yes the manga is fact but saying its a bad adaptation because of that is only your opinion, others might think its a good adaptation

On the subject of adaptations it's rarely ever opinionated, especially when it fails in so many aspects in terms of sticking to the source material.

nope, not following the source material is only your problem, like i said to do this kind of things, the studio need the creator permission

Good for you.

of course,

Now, that's opinionated. There's a chance, whether it's big or small, doesn't matter to me that much,

there is a chance that it happened, but fact remains that it never happened

I can always voice my opinion of the first impressions of a series. Not my problem you take things too seriously

Nobody takes it seriously, i only said its a stupid thing to do,

Well now you do. Besides, you could of easily known that if you listened to the opening or watched episode 12, when they were playing the credits when Shinichi was talking. It's not that hard, there's sites out there that have the list of all the spring animes with the studio name next to it. Yeah, back out now once you found out that none of your points weren't adding up. Plus you went through all that trouble to accuse me? LOL nice.

Well most people wouldn't do that, and if anything all the stuff that you said in this post and the previous post makes it more convincing that you're obsessed with anime studio.