Poll: Poll: Who produced the stronger descendants?
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Kaneki Kun
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The Uchiha had more potential. If you think about it, there's almost nothing special about the average Senju other than their larger than average chakra and trained skill. The Uchiha had strong chakra and trained skill just like the Senju. The difference is that the average Uchiha never reached the Mangekyou Sharingan state, which no Senju except for Tobirama or Hashirama stood a chance against.
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i say... Uchiha have more power but they lack something.. and thats will, power within, unlike Senju.
You can't even decide like this honestly think about it. Both sides have produced the strongest shinobi in the era, when you try to compare them in the end, they either stalemate, or one dies.
Sometimes they both kill each-other Lol
Going say neither to stay on neutral ground.
Sometimes they both kill each-other Lol
Going say neither to stay on neutral ground.
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Senju superior to uchiha madara proved that when he decided to steal hashis DNA and sasuke proved to weaker than naruto when he decided to upgrade his arsenal with nine bijuus and still drew the fight so. Yeah ashura blood line owns
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Exactly! This actual theme of the manga/anime is always misinterpreted by most of the readers/viewers.
Indra's descendants are always stronger than Ashura's, but they always lose in a fight... as seen in the fight of Hashirama vs Madara and Naruto vs Sasuke.
Yeah, Senju clan was stronger than the Uchiha clan as a whole because not every Uchiha had the capability of awakening the Sharingan. But the power of Ashura's and Indra's reincarnations have nothing to do with the strengths of Senju and Uchiha clans. Naruto doesn't belong to the Senju clan yet he is a descendant of Ashura. Indra's and Ashura's reincarnations have a direct inheritance of power from them, not from their clans.
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Behemoth55
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The clan which brought out the most influental shinobi were the Uchiha actually. Madara, Izuna, Itachi, Shisui, Sasuke, Obito and so on. Everyone of them had great abilities.
KingHashirama
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"most influential"..
Hashirama - makes the village system
Tobirama - responsible for the organizational system of the current shinobi world
Tsunade - Responsible for the medical ninja branch of the shinobi.
Naruto - the man who saved the world
Becoming a villain and having others unite against you, doesn't make you the most influential. Tsunade/Naruto/Tobirama/Hashirama have influenced countries.. Madara only influenced Obito.
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This argument entirely relies on what you're referring to, descendants or reincarnations. A lot of people make the mistake of mixing those two entirely different terms (with relevance to the plot).
The descendants of Indra and Ashura are the Uchiha and Senju clans respectively.
The Senjus have been the stronger clan throughout history despite Uchihas possessing the stronger bloodline. This could be due to the fact that a lot of Uchihas didn't even awaken the Sharingan in the first place, due to its unusual and uncommon activation requirement i.e. feeling the pain of the death of a close one. Not everyone have had experienced that. So in general, Senjus are superior to Uchihas.
But for those Uchihas who have awakened the Sharingan (or even the Mangekyou Sharingan), they possess almost equal power to the Senjus. And in that case, the result could go either way depending upon the situation in battle. Can't really be resolute on one side on that one. For example, Tobirama and Izuna. In their case, they possessed almost equal power but Tobirama defeated Izuna by tactics, in which again, the result was build upon the scenario.
But when it comes to reincarnations, it's an entirely different story. They have direct inheritance of power from the Sage's sons i.e. not depending upon the clan's affinity or likelihood to awaken a certain power. And it's like almost everything has been decided, and their fates are similar.
Firstly, the only one's to awaken the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan within the Uchihas were Indra's reincarnations. Indra's reincarnations have the capability to unlock the full potential of their stronger bloodline, and are STRONGER than corresponding Ashura's reincarnations unlike regular Senjus and Uchihas, as manifest from observing the powers of Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto. EMS Madara w/ Nine Tails (considering Nine Tails as Madara's power is completely fair because he has the ability to control it) was stronger than Sage Hashirama. And Sasuke is stronger than Naruto. And despite being stronger, they always lose in battle. That's their fate.
Firstly, you have to make up your mind on who you're talking about, descendants or reincarnations.
Indra's descendants (Uchihas) are generally weaker than Ashura's descendants (Senjus), but that doesn't mean they need Senjus powers to surpass them. They could... since they have an option. And if they did obtain their power, they could surpass them as well. But why even bring this into argument since it never happened. There has never been any Uchiha who surpassed the Senjus by obtaining their power (aside from Obito because he was meant to be a villain i.e. wasn't meant to surpass anyone and he didn't have any Senju parallel, and I'm NOT talking about reincarnations at this point).
But if you're referring to the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura, then you are completely wrong. Indra's reincarnations are stronger than Ashura's by default (without obtaining their power). The only one who obtained Ashura's power was Madara, but he was stronger than Hashirama even before that.
@bold You're quite wrong there. Many of the Uchihas did not even awaken the Sharingan (let alone the Mangekyou Sharingan) probably because of its unlikely and uncommon cause of activation. And that also explains their inferiority to the Senjus. They weren't able to take maximum benefit of their stronger bloodline.
And forget about Tobirama. He wasn't even surprised when Infinite Tsukuyomi launched. Does that mean he has seen Infinite Tsukuyomi for years?
@italic Don't exaggerate Naruto's potential by THAT MUCH.
@underlined Hashirama and Madara have a different story in contrast to their respective clans. Unlike the general situation where Ashura's descendants (Senju clan) are stronger than Indra's (Uchiha clan), this is the opposite. Indra's reincarnations are actually stronger than Ashura's, though not dominant.
Firstly, forget about the latest versions of Madara (Rinnegan Madara & Juubi Madara). Talk about the one who was a pure Uchiha i.e. EMS Madara.
On the second note, don't judge their entire range of descendants only by what their reincarnations have done. Yeah, Senjus are stronger than Uchihas, but give me an example of Uchihas surpassing Senjus by obtaining their power ASIDE FROM REINCARNATIONS. Exclude Obito because he didn't have any Senju parallel and the reason of obtaining power wasn't rivalry, it was antagonism.
And speaking of reincarnations, Indra's reincarnations are stronger than Ashura's as shown in Madara vs Hashirama and Sasuke vs Naruto. And if you determine their power by their victory in battle, you're an idiot.
If you're excluding Sage's power ups, then why give Naruto BSM? Don't the bijuus belong to the Sage?
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KingHashirama
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Senju possess the stronger bloodline.......
No Indra's descendent can match a Ashura's descendent without needing Ashura's bloodline help.
Obito - needs Ashura
Madara - needs Ashura to surpass Hashirama
SSasuke -needs ashura (aka Hashirama's dna he has) to take on Naruto
No Indra's descendent can match a Ashura's descendent without needing Ashura's bloodline help.
Obito - needs Ashura
Madara - needs Ashura to surpass Hashirama
SSasuke -needs ashura (aka Hashirama's dna he has) to take on Naruto