MS Sasuke V.S Jiraiya
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Susanoo arrow one shots in both scenarios. Or Amaterasu.
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Sasuke wins both.
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Kid Sasuke has this in the bag mid difference. His use of Katon - with mastery on par - with the Sage is very formidable, something that Jiraiya lacks a feasible counter in order to assure his survival. The latter will likewise suffer from Sasuke's - exquisite shunshin on par with the Sage, which was able to blitz Gaara through his absolute defence quite miserably. It's immaculate - SM Jiraiya is no match for Sasuke's mastery of shunshin and Katon.
Anyone who disagrees - is not smart like I am.
Anyone who disagrees - is not smart like I am.
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His shunshin could allow him to dodge, assuming the sages told him about the build up in Sasuke's eye.
At the very least, it gives him time to put up defensive measures.
Because getting hit when you think the threat has been eliminated means you can't sense, you're totally right. I mean Juubi Jin Madara totally sensed that he was about to get hit from behind...er...wait..
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By virtue of using Natural Energy, he's a sensor.
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Though it's arguable that he personally cannot sense given his SM isn't perfect/relies on Fukasaku and Shima, but Fukasaku and Shima are perfect sage mode users, so they're sensors if Jiraiya for whatever reason cannot.
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Wasn't it said Black Zetsu can't be sensed
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BZ case was way different. Pein actually warns Jiraiya before attacking.
''Didn't you just remind me not to underestimate my enemies, Jiraiya Sensei ?'' He is completing a sentence this long before striking, so Jiraiya was aware of Pein before getting hit. Letting his guard down isn't an excuse there. Madara however was aware of BZ already, but he didn't suspected that he would be betrayed. Comparing two different cases and passing them as same is kinda lame.
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Not that I ever recall.
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What does the warning matter? Jiraiya's guard was completely down because he thought the fight was over, as did Fukasaku and Shima. Jiraiya was aware of him being there for the 1 or 2 seconds it took him to speak that sentence, and being completely taken by surprise, couldn't react.
It's confirmed that sage mode gives you the ability to sense. I dunno what argument here is about.
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That means he had couple seconds to get his game together and prepare against Pein. If he can't even do that, there is no way he is dodging Amaterasu.
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Neither RSM Naruto was able to sense his malicious intent,neither was Minato able to sense him when he stole Yin kurama
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wat..
Do you even understand what you're saying?
You're comparing a Jiraiya that's prepared to fight vs a Jiraiya that's walking away, defenses down against an opponent he thought he'd finished off. The scenarios aren't even remotely similar.
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God those gifs are annoying and not funny when you use them. If you read my post nothing I said was actually unreasonable or quote worthy. Jiraiya senses build up for Amaterasu >
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behind a tree or a rock. I never claimed Jiraiya could dodge Amaterasu after it was already cast.
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Jiraiya senses Amaterasu's chakra build up, then uses shunshin to escape Itachi's line of sight and hide behind a tree or a rock [
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]Jiraiya senses Amaterasu's chakra build up, then makes a kage bunshin right in front of him to block line of sight and the clone gets hit instead of Jiraiya. Or Jiraiya can make a
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to confuse Sasuke so he won't know which to hit with Amaterasu.Ma
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Amaterasu's chakra build up, then spits out her dust cloud to
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so he won't know where to aim Amaterasu.Methods 2 and 3 work against Susanoo arrows as well. If Sasuke doesn't know where to aim his arrow, he can't hit Jiraiya.
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Lol
Jiraiya is clearly still in SM so his defences aren't down. He only thought the fight was finished. For a battle hardened shinobi like him, preparing himself after noticing a threat isn't that hard. And he did notice Pein thanks to the latter for warning him. He had time to do something about that attack and he did the best he could yet still lost an arm. The one who don't get the situation is you.
He failed to do something about Pein's attack when he had couple seconds. And you think he could do what Ay does ? Ay is dodging the attack less than a second there.
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He doesn't start in Sage Mode or with Ma and Pa out, so none of this can happen before Sasuke one shots him. Nonetheless, the first strategy is flawed cause you assume there is a rock or a tree he can take cover behind before Sasuke releases Amaterasu. Location was never specified in the OP. In fact, it's Danzo vs. Sasuke, so he's completely exposed. Besides, using Amaterasu against Jiraiya once he's entered Sage Mode isn't a wise idea. Just a waste of stamina. Using Susanoo to pressure him is more effective.
Method 2 and 3 don't work against Susanoo Arrows.
1. If he makes a clone in front of him, it pierces through and kills Jiraiya. If he makes a bunch of clones surrounding him, not only does he reduce his chakra level so low that he won't be able to do anything effective to Sasuke as long as the clones are out, he'll still have a mental marker on where Jiraiya's original place was. Just how if I take 1 red cup, and then put 10 red cups on each side. I'll still remember where the original cup was. So he'd aim his arrow there and kill Jiraiya.
2. Yes, he won't be able to see to aim his arrow, but considering Jiraiya won't know to do this until the arrow has been aimed at him...Sasuke will have a good idea of where Jiraiya is located. Since Jiraiya can't dodge, even if Sasuke fires it into the dust cloud, he'll get hit. Not being able to see doesn't matter when Jiraiya himself can't change his position.