Do you believe in God? Do you want to?

[GhostProject]

I tried going to some college christian thing tonight. No I don't think I honestly do. It was all swing and a miss on me.

 

[Aim64C]

@Bold, is it a talking one

There is a deep symbolic history to the Serpent that harkens to a far older history.

Just look at some of the similarities between depictions:

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"Dragons are born monarchs. As far as they can see, their power is indisputable. Dragons are idealists, perfectionists, they are born thinking they are perfect and they are inflexible.

...

Dragons are tyrannical. They hate orders except when they are giving them. Unlike the Tiger, who imposes their will seriously and firmly, the Ox, whose authority is implied in their very stern demeanor, or the Rat, who thrusts their dominion over others, the Dragon knows innately how to exert authority yet be gentle with their slaves."

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"Revelation 12:3-4: And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."

This is a symbolic reference to an older concept speaking of the war in heaven. Stars were an ancient symbol for the messengers (angels) of heaven and the statement that the Dragon's tail swept them from the sky is widely interpreted to mean that 'the dragon' managed to convince a third of heaven to join him in the rebellion against God.

The devouring of the pregnant woman is widely interpreted to mean that this was the devil attempting to destroy the messiah before Israel gave rise to him. I'm honestly of the opinion that this has yet to pass in actuality and that Jesus may have been -a- messiah, but not -the- messiah as described within Revelation (the writing of which suggests it was a composite of older works that did not survive the destruction of Israel and other archives).

" Ezekiel 29:3 - Speak, and say, Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lies in the midst of his streams, that says, ‘My Nile is my own; I made it for myself.’ "

Dragons, symbolically, have represented rulers and kingdoms within Hebrew scripture.

Job 41 mentions "Tanniyn" - which is "Leviathan" or "Dragon" or "Serpent."

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It seems that Job 41 is describing the crocodile - but there also seems to be a symbolic element to it that extends from animal to philosophy:

"Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2
Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3
Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4
Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5
Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6
Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7
Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8
If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9
Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10
No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11
Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.

...

33
Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34
It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.” "

Compare that to the Chinese concept of a Dragon.

India is one I'm only beginning to research - but we find similar concepts, there:

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Dragons are depicted everywhere across the world and with similar traits of being tyrannical, greedy, and powerful.

Rather than seeing this as "man lived with dinosaurs" - I see this as being a very powerful symbolic reference that predates the branching of humanity - or denotes influence that was able to influence cultures in a very similar manner across the globe.

Either way - it's effect was profound and many of the legends tie the concept of the dragon in with the notion of human purpose/destiny.

 

[Multiply]

There is a deep symbolic history to the Serpent that harkens to a far older history.

Just look at some of the similarities between depictions:

You must be registered for see links

"Dragons are born monarchs. As far as they can see, their power is indisputable. Dragons are idealists, perfectionists, they are born thinking they are perfect and they are inflexible.

...

Dragons are tyrannical. They hate orders except when they are giving them. Unlike the Tiger, who imposes their will seriously and firmly, the Ox, whose authority is implied in their very stern demeanor, or the Rat, who thrusts their dominion over others, the Dragon knows innately how to exert authority yet be gentle with their slaves."

You must be registered for see links

"Revelation 12:3-4: And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."

This is a symbolic reference to an older concept speaking of the war in heaven. Stars were an ancient symbol for the messengers (angels) of heaven and the statement that the Dragon's tail swept them from the sky is widely interpreted to mean that 'the dragon' managed to convince a third of heaven to join him in the rebellion against God.

The devouring of the pregnant woman is widely interpreted to mean that this was the devil attempting to destroy the messiah before Israel gave rise to him. I'm honestly of the opinion that this has yet to pass in actuality and that Jesus may have been -a- messiah, but not -the- messiah as described within Revelation (the writing of which suggests it was a composite of older works that did not survive the destruction of Israel and other archives).

" Ezekiel 29:3 - Speak, and say, Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lies in the midst of his streams, that says, ‘My Nile is my own; I made it for myself.’ "

Dragons, symbolically, have represented rulers and kingdoms within Hebrew scripture.

Job 41 mentions "Tanniyn" - which is "Leviathan" or "Dragon" or "Serpent."

You must be registered for see links

It seems that Job 41 is describing the crocodile - but there also seems to be a symbolic element to it that extends from animal to philosophy:

"Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2
Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3
Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4
Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5
Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6
Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7
Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8
If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9
Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10
No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11
Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.

...

33
Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34
It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.” "

Compare that to the Chinese concept of a Dragon.

India is one I'm only beginning to research - but we find similar concepts, there:

You must be registered for see links

Dragons are depicted everywhere across the world and with similar traits of being tyrannical, greedy, and powerful.

Rather than seeing this as "man lived with dinosaurs" - I see this as being a very powerful symbolic reference that predates the branching of humanity - or denotes influence that was able to influence cultures in a very similar manner across the globe.

Either way - it's effect was profound and many of the legends tie the concept of the dragon in with the notion of human purpose/destiny.

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Lmao.

 

[Nathan]

I'll keep it short. No, and no I don't.

 

[Aim64C]

I'm just going to say, I don't want my "ego" to end because umm I don't know, I have a son, who I love very much and I never want to loose him, same with my wife. Hows that for your "ego?" POS

That is supposed to influence me, how?

My youngest brother grew up with a mother battling cancer before she died and then found my father dead in his bed at the age of 11.

Life is full of things we don't want.

I say again:

It isn't a question of: "Do I believe in God?"

It is a question of: "Do I believe my own thoughts to be the final word on how things should be?"

If you believe the answer to that is "yes" - then no God will be sufficient for you and you will be miserable as you will always see a world in need of change you don't have the power to make.

If you believe the answer to that is: "No" - then you must inherently believe that the world's structure arises from a reason or process that is greater than your individual thought.

My judgment stands.

 

[Aim64C]

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Lmao.

It's okay.

I know it is beyond your comprehension.

 

[Multiply]

It's okay.

I know it is beyond your comprehension.

No, I have no interest in what ever tangent you just jumped off on. Lol.

 

[Aim64C]

No, I have no interest in what ever tangent you just jumped off on. Lol.

It isn't a tangent.

Again - you'd understand this if you had the capacity for it.

Unfortunately, you view yourself as complete and lack the necessary craving to expand your capacity. There is nothing more you can learn until you come to terms with how hollow you truly are.

Cue one of your sarcastic remarks.

 

[Multiply]

It isn't a tangent.

Again - you'd understand this if you had the capacity for it.

Unfortunately, you view yourself as complete and lack the necessary craving to expand your capacity. There is nothing more you can learn until you come to terms with how hollow you truly are.

Cue one of your sarcastic remarks.

My sarcastic comment was about the talking snake. Reference to the Adam and Eve story. I don't care about what you said because frankly I didn't read it Lol.

 

[Aim64C]

My sarcastic comment was about the talking snake. Reference to the Adam and Eve story. I don't care about what you said because frankly I didn't read it Lol.

It was precisely a reference to the snake in the garden.

Again, since you believe you've nothing left to learn; that you've learned all you need to know (the academics you don't know are just amplifying information), you aren't considering the idea that there's anything to scripture other than ancient superstition and fairy tales of no significance or impact. Those are things created for weak minds to believe fanciful things rather than accept the true alienating reality of the world.

It's the hubris to believe that you are worth submitting a comment but others are not worth entertaining their response.

Which, if you would have read - is the personality default of the dragon as described across many cultures and mythologies - the ancient symbol for earthly kings/empires as well as the angel that started the rebellion against God and prompted the war in the heavens - he who is known as the deceiver and accuser - "that ancient dragon."

Now - you don't care because all that stuff is pish-posh from the intellectual rejects of society that are beneath you.

But if sermons were meant for anyone, it is those most thoroughly damned.

 

[Zee Seh]

I like to believe therez a lot of positive energy around me, i like to believe that there are beings of higher dimension that could be looking at us right now, But i don't believe in some invisible man flying around in the sky and judging people for their sins and all the religious bullcrap you hear.
Therez a lot of negativity in this world and just leaving it to god to Judge those people committing sins is not the most ideal way of handling a situation. Man up and take action yourself.
Maybe God exists, but i'm definitely sure he'd be Facepalm'ing right now if he see how people have interpreted the whole concept of god

 

[Multiply]

It was precisely a reference to the snake in the garden.

Again, since you believe you've nothing left to learn; that you've learned all you need to know (the academics you don't know are just amplifying information), you aren't considering the idea that there's anything to scripture other than ancient superstition and fairy tales of no significance or impact. Those are things created for weak minds to believe fanciful things rather than accept the true alienating reality of the world.

It's the hubris to believe that you are worth submitting a comment but others are not worth entertaining their response.

Which, if you would have read - is the personality default of the dragon as described across many cultures and mythologies - the ancient symbol for earthly kings/empires as well as the angel that started the rebellion against God and prompted the war in the heavens - he who is known as the deceiver and accuser - "that ancient dragon."

Now - you don't care because all that stuff is pish-posh from the intellectual rejects of society that are beneath you.

But if sermons were meant for anyone, it is those most thoroughly damned.

Never stated the bold. In fact I engage in these interesting conversations with you to learn about other points of view. The reason I make so many controversial threads is to learn about the mindset of others on different topics.

@underlined. If that's what you really think. Lol.

I don't care about this stuff because you regurgitate so much garbage out of your fingers over something as simple as a sarcastic comment. I did not expect you to write a small pamphlet on some bullshit I genuinely didn't care about to begin with. Lol

 

[balufejes]

I don't believe in God. I sometimes ask my believer friends about their beliefs, because I seem to lack this "notion" which would allow me to trust and believe in something so ridiculous as a great magic man in the sky who created everything, when the Big Bang Theory has already been proven and I myself think the theory of evolution is legit too. I also dislike religion, because it blinds people and as the great Richard Dawkins once said "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world" and that is very very true.

 

[Chibiusa]

I'm legit surprised this religion thread didnt blow up :|

OT: I belive in God, just not organized religion

 

[Adam Driver]

I believe in God and the personal relationship with Jesus, but organized religion is a no for me.

 

[Aim64C]

Never stated the bold. In fact I engage in these interesting conversations with you to learn about other points of view. The reason I make so many controversial threads is to learn about the mindset of others on different topics.

@underlined. If that's what you really think. Lol.

It is how you behave.

You don't actually want to learn other viewpoints. You want to challenge them.

I don't care about this stuff because you regurgitate so much garbage out of your fingers over something as simple as a sarcastic comment. I did not expect you to write a small pamphlet on some bullshit I genuinely didn't care about to begin with. Lol

And yet you claim to care about learning viewpoints.

Then decide you are lord and master over what is bullshit.

Can you inform no intelligent analysis of your own?

Is it not interesting that many different cultures have the same depiction of a dragon tied to tyrannical beings potentially of deceptive and greedy nature? Pride, arrogance, and dominion - the hallmarks of evil?

Is it not interesting that there are numerous mentions of a war in the heavens? The Hindu and Chinese spoke of the gods warring in the skies above them, scorching the Earth in the process?

What's the matter with showing someone interested in learning some new concepts regarding deism and world views these things?

Ah, yes - because it's bullshit.

An adversarial tone and posture.

If you were here to learn, you'd actually entertain some of the notion and respond with questions and/or intellectual criticism of the idea rather than simply say: "you spout bullshit."

But, you're what qualifies as an intellectual, these days, so it is to be expected.

[video=youtube;Wln6lNTxVpY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY[/video]

 

[Ansatsuken]

Yes I believe in god and I want to believe him

For other people its up to them including you OP.

 

[Adam Driver]

It is how you behave.

You don't actually want to learn other viewpoints. You want to challenge them.



And yet you claim to care about learning viewpoints.

Then decide you are lord and master over what is bullshit.

Can you inform no intelligent analysis of your own?

Is it not interesting that many different cultures have the same depiction of a dragon tied to tyrannical beings potentially of deceptive and greedy nature? Pride, arrogance, and dominion - the hallmarks of evil?

Is it not interesting that there are numerous mentions of a war in the heavens? The Hindu and Chinese spoke of the gods warring in the skies above them, scorching the Earth in the process?

What's the matter with showing someone interested in learning some new concepts regarding deism and world views these things?

Ah, yes - because it's bullshit.

An adversarial tone and posture.

If you were here to learn, you'd actually entertain some of the notion and respond with questions and/or intellectual criticism of the idea rather than simply say: "you spout bullshit."

But, you're what qualifies as an intellectual, these days, so it is to be expected.

[video=youtube;Wln6lNTxVpY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY[/video]

Off topic but are you in the military?

 

[Multiply]

It is how you behave.

You don't actually want to learn other viewpoints. You want to challenge them.

No. I want to learn about other viewpoints. Challenging other viewpoints is a way for me to learn about other viewpoints. If you tell me that gravity isn't real, I'll challenge it because I want to know why you believe such a thing.

And yet you claim to care about learning viewpoints.

Then decide you are lord and master over what is bullshit.

Can you inform no intelligent analysis of your own?

I decide what is bullshit in my mind. I care about learning viewpoints when I initiate the argument or discussion. If I say something sarcastic to you, that does not mean I want you to drop knowledge on me. It simply means I was making a joke and it should be taken as such.

Is it not interesting that many different cultures have the same depiction of a dragon tied to tyrannical beings potentially of deceptive and greedy nature? Pride, arrogance, and dominion - the hallmarks of evil?

Is it not interesting that there are numerous mentions of a war in the heavens? The Hindu and Chinese spoke of the gods warring in the skies above them, scorching the Earth in the process?

What's the matter with showing someone interested in learning some new concepts regarding deism and world views these things?

Ah, yes - because it's bullshit.

An adversarial tone and posture.

Those are things that are interesting to you. If I share interest in those things I'll ask you about it or I will do my own research. You don't need to try to press your 'knowledge' on every single person you have a conversation with. It's simply not needed.

Just because someone is interested in learning that doesn't mean they're interested in what you have to teach. Say for example an Art major is in an art museum to learn about their field of study. According to your logic, since they're open to learn things, it's fine to barrage them with 'knowledge' about the universe and religion?

So off of that point, I'm interested in learning, but about things that interest me. Someone can try to drop knowledge of hockey on me and I won't care because I am not interested in hockey. If they dropped knowledge of basketball on my I'd listen because that's something I'm interested in. Does that mean I'll never find myself asking someone or Google-ing something about hockey? No.

If you were here to learn, you'd actually entertain some of the notion and respond with questions and/or intellectual criticism of the idea rather than simply say: "you spout bullshit."

But, you're what qualifies as an intellectual, these days, so it is to be expected.

[video=youtube;Wln6lNTxVpY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY[/video]

@Bold, I really don't want to say it again. When did I ever say you spout bullshit? I said you regurgitate garbage and called what you were talking about bullshit. Not in the sense that it has no place in society, but in the sense of that's the adjective I decided to use.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Actually what the point to debate about this matter here.

I couldn't see anyone here will believe in god or turned into non-believer in any time with all this pointless debates.

Just keep all that inside yourself and don't feed this kind of thread anymore. Simple as that.