Lets get to the point. Forget about Gai and his nun chucks, they'll most likely break on Ay and Bees body anyway or get repelled away like Sasukes katana did so they are non-factor.
I would like some concrete evidence that Gai can land AT on them both since thats all thats putting them down.
I agree with this. Gai's nunchucks are a non-factor here overall I think, but people trying to claim unfounded things such as Gai being unable to use them is unfounded.
Lmao No problem! But In that scan Bee was not at his limits it was the 8 tails. Bee was talking and walking etc etc. Was it because of Sama healing? IDK, but that scan and instance in particular either proves my case or is null and void.
Bee was at the point where he couldn't fight anymore... what are you talking about? He specifically said he's hurt, and clearly needed to rest just as the Hachibi. Samehada didn't heal his injuries, nor gave him chakra to continue fighting. I'm really not sure what's to even argue here. Remember Kisame saying he will never tire out or fall with Samehada...? Not in Bee's case. He doesn't canonically have that luxury.
I agree with this. Gai's nunchucks are a non-factor here overall I think, but people trying to claim unfounded things such as Gai being unable to use them is unfounded.
My Bee knowledge is lacking far too much to comment. I have a decent grasp on Ay, but I mostly skimmed through the latter half of part 2 unless it involved one of the 4 characters in my sig.
My Bee knowledge is lacking far too much to comment. I have a decent grasp on Ay, but I mostly skimmed through the latter half of part 2 unless it involved one of the 4 characters in my sig.
Ahh so we are going with this excuse to justify Kishimoto's bad writing in the fight. Alright, he couldn't blitz them either , because he would've done so no? He probably couldn't use mokuton or the shields(despite the fact he used them against 8th gate gai) because he would've done so no? Please stop trying to justify a badly written fight, that was inconsistant with the character's power. And clinging to that fight to try to prove your point is not going to help.
The only one making excuses is the guy complaining about Kishimoto's writing and using it as a counter argument. If Madara could've cut Gai down, he would've just like he did to Minato. End of story.
Because both times he was on the offense and couldn't teleport. 2 different scenarios.. Had Madara chose to blitz Gai, he wouldn't be able to do anything either.. hes not faster than the Juubi's jinchuriki's speed. Gai is neither as fast as Minato's shunshin. Same result would've happened to Gai that happened to Minato both of those 2 times, had Madara simply swung his staff instead of scooting back. Gai has never shown reaction speeds superior to Minato.. he didn't avoid Madara's blitz.. lol.
Wrong. Being on the offense doesn't mean you can't teleport. The simple fact that Minato teleported away from Obito in that instance proves you wrong. Lol. He can teleport, he just couldn't do it fast enough.
Whether or not Gai is faster than the JJ is irrelevant to me and my argument. I'm only showing you the speed difference between Sage Minato and 7G Gai. Gai not being as fast as Minato's Shunshin is literally just a baseless claim from you, like everything you posted.
Uhh Hirudora requires the 7th gate.... and when he was fighting Edo Madara, he was in the 7th gate.. displayed no such feat. Did he decide to go easy on Edo Madara, and thought everything would be fine? lol
Read the Manga before you reply, not after. Gai used Hirudora, thus entering the 7G, after he had been bound and thrashed by Madara. When you have panels that show or prove he used 7G like he did to JJ Madara, then we can talk.
That doesn't make sense. V2 is just pumping more chakra into V1 and V1 is just shaping chakra into armour. Either V1 augments his strength and V2 augments it further or V1 does not augment his strength and neither does V2. It can't be one and not the other.
I see your point here. I'll agree. Doesn't change much though.
No, just as much energy is in the piercing attack as the blunt force attack, its just concentrated while the blunt force attack is not. You only need to look at Chidori Vs Rasengan. To further this, just look at the Water Tank scenario:
That assumes that the attacks are equal, and that's an assumption you don't have the luxury to make.
Rasengan did more inner damage, enough to open up the other side. However with that said, it still needs to get past the 1st layer of defence to get to that point and it will have a tougher time getting through that 1st layer then a concentrated attack like Chidori.
Conclusion: Most of the force will be taken by Ei's hard skin and some inner damage might be caused, but the damage will not really be significant.
Your conclusion literally has no evidence backing it but "blunt force damage=/=Piercing Damage". Rasengan did more damage because it was stronger at that point in time, despite Chidori being more focused.
Like I said, the partially offset Hirudora was what Kisame took and a punch from 7th Gated Gai right after. If we can take a offset Hirudora and then a 7th Gated Gai's punch after that, then you are grossly overrating 7th Gated Gais punches.
I didn't say that 7G Gai's punches can hurt Ay. Though bringing an example where Gai didn't hit his hardest isn't relevant cause Gai wasn't trying to kill Kisame. But I'll drop the weapon point. Not getting into an extensive back and forth argument over something that isn't necessary to win.
Ummm he attacked and Madara parried his attacks away. What are you trying to prove here? Are you saying Madara should have done something other then parrying his attacks?
-Gai attacks Madara.
-Madara backsteps to evade him.
Hmm, I wonder what the difference here is. Lol. Gai was too fast for Madara to cut down like he did to Minato.
I wasn't wrong about anything, I said he stood and overpowered Hirudora and that's exactly what he did. He can get in Ei's face, sure, but Ei can dodge from there since Gai has to pause to do the seal(s) and target Ei. And no, before you try and claim that Gai can do the seal and then get in Ei's face, he hasn't done that in the three instances he has used Hirudora so I don't see any reason to believe he can do it here.
Uh, no. Ay doesn't have the speed feats to evade a Hirudora released at point blank range. Not when Madara had to cut through it instead of just loldodging it like he did the rest of Gai's attacks.
Keep in mind that I am not saying Gai wouldn't be able to pull it off occasionally, but I think Ei dodges more times then not. If this was just Gai Vs Ei, Gai would win more times the not since he would have two tries but Bee is present as well (And Chakra arms can come in quite handy btw).
Ay can dodge if it were used at long, maybe mid range. Point blank? Not a chance in hell. And that doesn't even include the fact that despite being able to take Gai's normal hits with minimal damage, the force will still push him back and make him lose his footing, making it even easier for the already point blank Hirudora to obliterate him.
The only one making excuses is the guy complaining about Kishimoto's writing and using it as a counter argument. If Madara could've cut Gai down, he would've just like he did to Minato. End of story.
Understand the difference between a complaint and simply stating what is obvious to the reader. If you are dumb enough to think Madara Uchiha as a Juubi's jin wouldn't have been able to blitz all 3/4 of them right in front of him.... then you sir need to go review his powers. The dumb non-sense logic of "He would've just like he did to Minato".. only issue is he didn't despite having the capability to do so. Just like he didn't use the black orbs, that he used against 8th gate..
Or are you naive enough to think that Madara can't use all his techniques and skills he had before becoming a jinchuriki?
Face it, your argument relies on Kishimoto's bad display of power and inconsistant behavior of characters, who are needed to be restricted so that the good guys actually have a chance. Same situation in all the other animes happens to good and bad characters... where have you been?
Wrong. Being on the offense doesn't mean you can't teleport. The simple fact that Minato teleported away from Obito in that instance proves you wrong. Lol. He can teleport, he just couldn't do it fast enough.
Minato ported after he had his arm destroyed.... Similarly how Gai couldn't dodge while he was doing day time Tiger......
Whether or not Gai is faster than the JJ is irrelevant to me and my argument. I'm only showing you the speed difference between Sage Minato and 7G Gai. Gai not being as fast as Minato's Shunshin is literally just a baseless claim from you, like everything you posted.
BS, you still haven't shown anything to even put him on the level of Minato's shunshin....go look at when he saved Naruto from Obito, Gai 0 feats comparable to that speed, without 8th gate. Hell minato used FTG in middle of Gai's 8th gate (though i believe Gai pulled back a bit for minato) nonetheless his speed is still faster than 7th gate gai.
Yes you are comparing 2 different scenarios and making them into similar scenarios.. when they are not similar.
Read the Manga before you reply, not after. Gai used Hirudora, thus entering the 7G, after he had been bound and thrashed by Madara. When you have panels that show or prove he used 7G like he did to JJ Madara, then we can talk.
No he entered 7th gate, and used hirudora. Hirudora doesn't lead to entering 7th gate.. 7th gate leads to doing hirudora. So you are saying the power of the 7th gate was affected by Gai's condition? The sheer power a person unlocks by unlocking that gate..
*A handicapped (one arm, cant even defend), not even 100% full power edo minato attacks Juudara directly. Madara counters
*Seven Gate Gai attacks a blinded and distracted Madara who has his eyes shielded and covered. Once madara regain himself, easily knocks gai down and go for kill.
Conclusion:
*Yipeee, it easier to attack someone directly while they cant see.
Guess that mean Itachi can everyday one shot ned diff solo a blinded handicapped nagato woth totsuka. Whoch therfore by same logic, itachi can solo kcm naruto plus bee because nagato solo them, yet itachi solo nagato.
*A handicapped (one arm, cant even defend), not even 100% full power edo minato attacks Juudara directly. Madara counters
*Seven Gate Gai attacks a blinded and distracted Madara who has his eyes shielded and covered. Once madara regain himself, easily knocks gai down and go for kill.
Conclusion:
*Yipeee, it easier to attack someone directly while they cant see.
Guess that mean Itachi can everyday one shot ned diff solo a blinded handicapped nagato woth totsuka. Whoch therfore by same logic, itachi can solo kcm naruto plus bee because nagato solo them, yet itachi solo nagato.
- Minato had Gaara's sand shield to block Madara's view as well...That doesn't help you since Madara couldn't see Minato teleport Lol. Hence both apply if you're using that excuse. Obito cut Minato's arm in BM before he could Hiraishin...That makes things worse for you if you're trying to use this one hand argument.
- Minato had Gaara's sand shield to block Madara's view as well...That doesn't help you since Madara couldn't see Minato teleport Lol. Hence both apply if you're using that excuse. Obito cut Minato's arm in BM before he could Hiraishin...That makes things worse for you if you're trying to use this one hand argument.
Understand the difference between a complaint and simply stating what is obvious to the reader. If you are dumb enough to think Madara Uchiha as a Juubi's jin wouldn't have been able to blitz all 3/4 of them right in front of him.... then you sir need to go review his powers. The dumb non-sense logic of "He would've just like he did to Minato".. only issue is he didn't despite having the capability to do so. Just like he didn't use the black orbs, that he used against 8th gate..
Face it, your argument relies on Kishimoto's bad display of power and inconsistant behavior of characters, who are needed to be restricted so that the good guys actually have a chance. Same situation in all the other animes happens to good and bad characters... where have you been?
Not really. Kishimoto showed us that when an enemy rushed Madara, he got cut down. Gai did so, but didn't. Meaning Madara couldn't. Hidden techs and shit like that is completely irrelevant.
Minato ported after he had his arm destroyed.... Similarly how Gai couldn't dodge while he was doing day time Tiger......
Not really. Gai was caught in a position where he couldn't evade. Minato can teleport, so he can't be put in that position. He only needs a thought to initiate his jutsu. Yet Obito cut his arm off before he could port away and attached a Gudo Dama to him.
BS, you still haven't shown anything to even put him on the level of Minato's shunshin....go look at when he saved Naruto from Obito, Gai 0 feats comparable to that speed, without 8th gate. Hell minato used FTG in middle of Gai's 8th gate (though i believe Gai pulled back a bit for minato) nonetheless his speed is still faster than 7th gate gai.
Pushing back a Juubi's Jinchuuriki>Saving Naruto from 5-10 meters away. Lol.
Wrong. You are going to have to prove that he was moving at speeds that'd benefit your argument. Gaara's Sand was keeping up with him at that stage, and Gaara's Sand isn't as fast as 7G Gai.
Yes you are comparing 2 different scenarios and making them into similar scenarios.. when they are not similar.
No he entered 7th gate, and used hirudora. Hirudora doesn't lead to entering 7th gate.. 7th gate leads to doing hirudora. So you are saying the power of the 7th gate was affected by Gai's condition? The sheer power a person unlocks by unlocking that gate..
- You people argue Madara couldn't see Gai coming....I'm also showing you that he couldn't see Minato coming. As simple as that..When you're cornered, admit to it.
Madara has the ability to sense so Gai's case should be anything...Especially when Aura doesn't block one's vision.
1. Reread the fight he didn't, until he decided to take a slash.. rofl.
2. Do you need the definition of complaining?
@Bold, cool...but neither do i care about your opinion.. i'm not the one using the naive logic of "didn't do it, means couldn't do it".. not the one who can't see the fact Kishimoto was inconsistant with all of the juubi's jinchurikis.
Oh but its relevant to that idiotic logic you keep using over and over.....
Not really. Kishimoto showed us that when an enemy rushed Madara, he got cut down. Gai did so, but didn't. Meaning Madara couldn't. Hidden techs and shit like that is completely irrelevant.
No, Kishimoto showed when Minato non-full power appeared in front of a Madara who was in a normal stable mood and not covering himself from an explosion.. he slashed down the enemy.
Again, stop comparing 2 different scenarios and trying to make them into 1, you are failing hard.
Not really. Gai was caught in a position where he couldn't evade. Minato can teleport, so he can't be put in that position. He only needs a thought to initiate his jutsu. Yet Obito cut his arm off before he could port away and attached a Gudo Dama to him.
Similar to Minato, Minato was already using 1 arm for the rasengan, he couldn't teleport from that position. And in Obito's case, Gai wouldn't be able to dodge it either. And then again you are comparing 2 different situations and trying to make them similar. :yeah:
Pushing back a Juubi's Jinchuuriki>Saving Naruto from 5-10 meters away. Lol.
Pushing back a Juubi's jinchuriki who didn't use his top speed, who didn't bother going on the offensive, who was caught by surprise and when he rebounded.. he casually swung the staff is not better than blink of the eye shunshin...... This is about how fast their speed is. Is not
Wrong. You are going to have to prove that he was moving at speeds that'd benefit your argument. Gaara's Sand was keeping up with him at that stage, and Gaara's Sand isn't as fast as 7G Gai.
They are exactly the same.
He used 7G to use Hirudora. That's it. Not relevant to the discussion of Gai's speed.
Just go reread the Gai vs Madara.. he appeared and then poofed back while Gai was in middle of an attack.. lol. What do you need proved?
Hmm 7th gate hirudora .. which is relevant to the discussion, due to the fact you are acting like that 7th gates power is something that can do something to a juubi's jinchuriki.. when it failed hard against Edo Madara......
- You people argue Madara couldn't see Gai coming....I'm also showing you that he couldn't see Minato coming. As simple as that..When you're cornered, admit to it.
Madara has the ability to sense so Gai's case should be anything...Especially when Aura doesn't block one's vision.
Someone who is covering , and squinting their eyes to see better vs someone who is perfectly standing still and able to react to anything.
^^^^^ Doesn't take a genius to figure out which one is int he better position to react to a speed attack.
@Bold, never claimed it did, that doesn't take out the fact he was squinting his eyes to see better, and was in the cover position where he wouldn't been able to swing at him once he popped up.
Bee was at the point where he couldn't fight anymore... what are you talking about? He specifically said he's hurt, and clearly needed to rest just as the Hachibi. Samehada didn't heal his injuries, nor gave him chakra to continue fighting. I'm really not sure what's to even argue here. Remember Kisame saying he will never tire out or fall with Samehada...? Not in Bee's case. He doesn't canonically have that luxury.
Be a few pages later presumably no more then a minute is almost perfectly healed no diff. Plus by Sama just
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he healed him enough to go V1. Bee literally just took a TBB head on and is still talking and not out of commission. Sama heals bee Cannonly no matter how you look at it. And when in V2 he and Sama are merged in a sense that Sama is forever touching him and is able to replenish.
- Minato had Gaara's sand shield to block Madara's view as well...That doesn't help you since Madara couldn't see Minato teleport Lol. Hence both apply if you're using that excuse. Obito cut Minato's arm in BM before he could Hiraishin...That makes things worse for you if you're trying to use this one hand argument.
Haha, a sand wall Lol you joke. Sand wall obstruction compare to all the debris and gates wind blowing on madara face. Be serious. Sand obstruct view yes. Blue steam also shield gai making him non visisble. So minato and gai even there. However all the pressuee and wind blowing in madara face caused him to shield his face and act as disturbance to Madara. Minato did not have that, so its not the same. That also show you that madara arms were protecting face and not in stroking posisiton like they were against minato, that why gai able to strike madara.
Sand wall just block his view of minato. But ftg kunai already there and madara know he teleport there. It much easier to anticipate. Or do you forget he know all of hiraishin user. Do not bring crappy sand wall excuse. Sand wall did not disturb madara in any way like gates did. You forget madara just beat tobirama ftg before hand. Madara have years and year expericne seeing and sighting ftg, he know what to expect. Madara himself say fighting gates was rare, so of course it will surprise him. However the gate did nothing to kadara, just shock him a bit, but madara block every hit and just like he do to minato, he use his staff to counter and knock gai down with ease.
Just like the king hashirama guy say, its terrible writing. And before you say this excuse, just use your head and think about it yourself. Kcm minato react to obito faster than he do against madara. He lose his arm, but at least he teleport. Yet in sage mode, minato should have faster reaction and danger sensing, yet he do nothing. Notice how kishi left no kunai in area for him to teleport to. All plot right there. Should have thrown multiple kunai, instead kishi made him only throw one, stupid writing. Anyway, shouldt even bring up juubito here, its not the same at all as other scenerios, juubito wasnt distracted at all, so that example hold no relevance here. Tobirama catch juubito and touch him because minTo distract him from front, even tobirama say he drop his guard. Distractions, vision, all important against juubi jin. Each situation was different.
You're comparing 12 year old Lee to Gai is where you're making your biggest mistake in that paragraph. The gap between 12 year old Lee and Gai is ridiculous, and even Lee with 3 more years of extreme training and a more fit body could still only reach the 6th Gate.
Madara's statement of Gai being the greatest taijutsu user ever is not to be taken lightly. It's fact, and 12 year old Lee being compared to him in any regard is honestly a bit of a slap in the face.
1- Lee was 14/15
2- That Lee KO'd Gai once
3- The way Kakashi louded Lee's genius in part1, it was pretty much implied to me that Lee developed faster than Gai. Minato even said he never knew Gai could use gates and Minato lived at least until Gai was 15 or so, yet Lee could already open 5(idea that made Kakashi sweat and emphasize the genius of the boy saying that at that point it wasn't just hard work). Of course a 31 years old Gai would be a better taijutsu user than a 17/18 years old Lee but considering the difference in age, it doesn't prove anything talent-wise and potential. I'm fairly confident Lee surpassed Gai by the epilogue
4- Age/experience had nothing to do with this. It's about fighting method and Lee trains and fights exactly like Gai, so him emphasing the dangerosity in direct approaches at high speed was most likely a general rule concerning martial artist especially one like Gai who is practising the same art as him.
The main point was comparing someone who has the possibility to move much faster if he wants to(in gate modes from 1 to 5) allowing him to move and hit his opponent at the highest speed in a confined area(in all directions)
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Still emphasizing his inability to read opponent's counter attacks even while running at chidori Sasuke's level of speed which more represented at the time his highest movement speed while in base(<<<<5gated Lee's movement speed)
Regardless if Lee is Gai or not, that clearly shows the difference between attacking speed and reaction speed, hence why attacking directly recklessly is dangerous, hence the importance of finding openings beforehand
Something i perfectly agree with. Here is my opinion on the matter
1 The Gate of Opening (開門, Kaimon), located in the brain, removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so 100% of the user's strength can be used whereas normally, a person can only use 20% of their muscles' strength to keep them from disintegrating. Unlocking this gate allows the user to use the Front Lotus.
2 The Gate of Healing (休門, Kyūmon; English TV "The Gate of Rest"), located in the brain, forcibly increases the user's physical strength and temporarily re-energises the body.
3 The Gate of Life (生門, Seimon), located on the spinal cord, allows the user to use the Reverse Lotus. The increased blood flow turns the skin red.
4 The Gate of Pain (傷門, Shōmon), located on the spinal cord, increases the user's speed and power. May cause muscle tissue to tear on use.
5 The Gate of Limit (杜門, Tomon; English TV "The Gate of Closing"), located in the abdomen, increases the user's speed and power.
6 The Gate of View (景門, Keimon; English TV "The Gate of Joy"), located in the stomach, increases the user's speed and power. Opening of this gate releases such enormous amounts of energy that it can cause nearby water bodies to form a vortex around the user. Once opened, capable users can perform the Morning Peacock.
7 The Gate of Wonder (驚門, Kyōmon; English TV "The Gate of Shock"), located below the stomach, further increases the user's speed and power. Only after this gate is activated, can a capable user perform the Daytime Tiger. Those who open this gate will secrete glowing green — blue in the anime — sweat from every inch of their body which immediately evaporates from their own heat energy, creating an aura which people mistake as a chakra coating. Unfortunately, the side effects of opening the gate are that the user's muscle fibres are ripped to shreds, causing intense pain if anything or anyone touches them.
8 The Gate of Death (死門, Shimon), located at the heart, requires the user to puncture their chest just above the heart in order to open it. Opening this gate will cause the user's blood to emanate a flaming aura of red steam from all pores of their body, hair, and eyebrows. Releasing this gate uses up all of the body's energy while making the heart pump at maximum power. Exceeding the power of every other gate, the user is granted approximately a hundred times their normal power, far beyond that of the five Kage, but comes at the expense of their life. Once activated, those who are capable can perform the Evening Elephant and the Night Guy. Under regular circumstances, the effects of opening all Eight Gates will cause the user to crumble to ash, having virtually cooked themselves from the inside-out.
Notice that in all the descriptions of Gated Gai taijutsu movements it was all the time talking about a boost in power, a faster taijutsu(or combat move) along with an unorthodox style
His reflexes, perception, precognition sensing was never given. Gates upgrade his offensive power and speed. It shouldn't upgrade his reflexes, hence i don't think there is any particular difference in reflexes between base or even 8 gated Gai. But assuming there is one, i have to think that it could only exist between base and 1 or 2 gated Gai considering it's only the first and second gate that is located in the brain, so one could argue that removing the restrains in the brain other than giving 100% of the power(instead of 20) than usual could also relaxe the synapses, but i personally see no reason why 7 or even 8 gated Gai could have better reflexes than 6 gated Gai when the core is situated in the abdomen and in the heart respectively. Logically speaking when all the gate restrained are open, only the power and speed should be boosted more than his actual reaction speed
Reaction speed depends on 2 factors:
1- The mind perception speed
2- The actual body speed
There is no reaction speed(no matter how fast you are), if your brain isn't capable to analyze informations(or perceive attacks) in time. Only after that does the actual body speed plays a role. No matter how physically fast you move, if you're unable to perceive an attack in time, you can't counter it. No matter how faster you get compared to someone else(in terms of body speed), if that someone else can perceive attacks faster than you, depending on how much faster you can actually move compared that person, even if he is slower, he may actually manage to counter attacks faster than you.
For example, while Usain Bolt is faster than Blake, Blake possess greater reactions which allows him to always have a better start than him in races. So basically what i'm not certain about is that Gai's mental speed actually change whether in gates or not, and if it doesn't, it means that any attacks that are faster than his eyes could see, than his brain could actually perceive, would remain too fast for him whether in gates or not, like if he can only barely see attacks at all(in base), it's not guaranteed that even in gates he would counter said attack(would depend on his actually movement speed compared to the attack's travelling speed, plus the actual distance between him and the attack before he is able to perceive something).
All this goes perfectly in coordination with Lee's statement and the way they have been portrayed in this manga. Their attacking speed and physical strength gets a significant boost, but it requires to find opening in order for it to be completely effective(taking advantage of the increase in physical speed) because their reaction speed going in hand with their eye coordination isn't perfect in their attacking mode
2015 and people still trying to argue why reaction speed stays the same.
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Upon gaining Lee's bodily speed, Sasuke reaction speed went up. Your reaction speed follows suit when the bodily speed goes up in this Manga.
This talk about Mind perception in a drawing is not relevant because if I ask you to prove to me that Base Gai cannot mentally react to every single attack thrown at him, you would 't be able to do so because you can't measure his mental speed...You can't measure that in the Manga which is why we judge by what we have, the increase in speed levels granted.
You can't talk about mental perception when you have no way of proving that Gai can't mentally react to all attacks....You won't be able to prove it because such isn't brought into play. However, you can use his physical speed because it can be measured in the Manga.
It's really simple, people not reacting could be due to them not processing it faster or them not physically reacting to it faster...We have proof the physical movements since it's applied to all cases but the Mental? No because I can easily say Gai not being able to react to certain attacks is because he isn't physically fast enough to pull it off, him mentally being able to process it? You can't prove he can't. I hope you're not still trying to back up your statement of Base Gai= 8G Gai in reaction speed because that's where you're getting at....Kisame upon facing 6th Gate claimed Gai was too fast after reacting to his sword strike and attacking at the same time. There's every indication Gai gets a boost in every thing since Kisame was holding him down in his Base before.
Databook 2 states one gets a glimpse of Gai's Taijutsu through Lee and it states Gai's bodily movements was way above Lee which means even Lee at that period (who just learned Ura Renge) was not on his level let alone knocking him out. You're referring to the Drunken fist but that's not Gai handling his beloved student with full power.
You can provide it. Won't make your argument any less dumber than it already is.
@Bold, cool...but neither do i care about your opinion.. i'm not the one using the naive logic of "didn't do it, means couldn't do it".. not the one who can't see the fact Kishimoto was inconsistant with all of the juubi's jinchurikis.
That logic is perfectly sound here. We've seen Madara's reaction to an enemy charging him. When you can give a real reason as to why he opted not to cut Gai down like he did the last guy who charged him 2 chapters eariler, then your opinion doesn't mean anything.
Oh but its relevant to that idiotic logic you keep using over and over.....
No, Kishimoto showed when Minato non-full power appeared in front of a Madara who was in a normal stable mood and not covering himself from an explosion.. he slashed down the enemy.
The bold is irrelevant. Madara could've cut him down from the point Gai appeared in front of him to the point where Gai tried to use Hirudora. He could've countered him during the exchange, yet he didn't, because he couldn't.
Again, stop comparing 2 different scenarios and trying to make them into 1, you are failing hard.
Similar to Minato, Minato was already using 1 arm for the rasengan, he couldn't teleport from that position. And in Obito's case, Gai wouldn't be able to dodge it either. And then again you are comparing 2 different situations and trying to make them similar. :yeah:
1. Minato's position has jack shit to do with his teleportation. Please stop making shit up.
2. Gai pushed Madara back. Slower Obito cut Minato's arm off when Minato engaged him in CQC. There is a clear difference there. Whether or not Gai would've evaded isn't my point. I shouldn't have to keep explaining this to you. The point is to show that Gai>Minato in reaction speed.
Pushing back a Juubi's jinchuriki who didn't use his top speed,
He didn't go on the offensive til he had the opportunity. All you've done is go on about Kishimoto's inconsistencies. Can you even muster up a real argument?
he casually swung the staff is not better than blink of the eye shunshin..
-Gai appears.
-Madara jumps back as Gai keeps trying to hit him with MULTIPLE kicks and punches.
No reason why wouldn't have just hit Gai with the staff the moment he tried to punch him if Gai was too slow.
Hmm 7th gate hirudora .. which is relevant to the discussion, due to the fact you are acting like that 7th gates power is something that can do something to a juubi's jinchuriki.. when it failed hard against Edo Madara......
We are talking about the 7G's speed. Not shown vs. Edo Madara. Not used against him as Gai was on Gyuki the whole time. So no, not relevant.
Then there's the fact that Hirudora obliterated Madara's Susanoo and freed B from the Mokuton binding. So no, the only one who failed in that sole instance was Madara.
