7th Gate Gai vs Ay and B

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gai wins

The stupidity is strong with the bold.

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[KidGamer65]

You needed to say it again, for you to understand i told you to read the manga?

And yes barely beat. Go look at his condition after he beat Kisame. rofl. F*cking trashed out and paining all over. In which retard's dictionary is that "destroying" an opponent?

And considering the fact this was only a Kisame who had no samehada and had no fusion.

Lol, what a moron. Learn what "barely beat" actually means. Gai's condition at the end has shit to do with his difficulty DURING the fight. Or can your puny mind not separate the battle, and after the battle?

1. Gai enters 7G.

2. Uses Hirudora.

3. Kisame is defeated.

4. He's perfectly fine until he leaves Gates Mode.

Tell me how that is barely beating someone? Lmao. You definitely live up to your name. Hashirama fighting Madara to exhaustion, that is barely beating someone. Hitting someone with one move, which defeats them, is the very essence of a thrashing. Gai thrashed Kisame and suffered from the backlash of leaving Gates Mode. That simple.

And? I know he was gimped. Your point? I never said he could thrash Kisame low diff at full power, I only said it's retarded to say that Gai barely beat him in canon when that obviously isn't what was shown, but I expect another reply full of nonsense considering who I'm arguing with.

 

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@KingHashirama can Hashi defeat Rinnegan madara more specifically saying Limbo

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol, what a moron. Learn what "barely beat" actually means. Gai's condition at the end has shit to do with his difficulty DURING the fight. Or can your puny mind not separate the battle, and after the battle?

1. Gai enters 7G.

2. Uses Hirudora.

3. Kisame is defeated.

4. He's perfectly fine until he leaves Gates Mode.

Tell me how that is barely beating someone? Lmao. You definitely live up to your name. Hashirama fighting Madara to exhaustion, that is barely beating someone. Hitting someone with one move, which defeats them, is the very essence of a thrashing. Gai thrashed Kisame and suffered from the backlash of leaving Gates Mode. That simple.

And? I know he was gimped. Your point? I never said he could thrash Kisame low diff at full power, I only said it's retarded to say that Gai barely beat him in canon when that obviously isn't what was shown, but I expect another reply full of nonsense considering who I'm arguing with.

Destroyed = low-diff . You can't "Destroy" someone if you barely beat them.. That is what "destroyed" implies.. you kiddo said he destroyed Kisame.. no the f*ck he didn't. And then he had to use 7th gate for a weak Kisame also. rofl.

Not really, Naruto and Hashirama could've beat Sasuke and Madara if they had wanted to kill them, before it got to the point both of them were f*cked up as their opponent. But sure we can go with Hashirama barely beat Madara.

But, I guess me exaggerating with the barely wasn't good, so i'll leave that. But that stems from the fact he needed 7th gate to beat a Kisame who had no samehada, and wasn't capable of full power that he showed before that fight. But putting this aside.


Now you are claiming, the mighty gai, magically takes on Raikage and Killer B. When both of their feats as far as "speed" goes are superior to Gai's. Killer B had the ability to react to Minato when he used his FTG. Raikage possessed the speed to counter FTG 's speed (only if he knew where the kunais were laid out). Now which of Gai's speed in 7th gate are we sooo much praising right now? THe one where he was attacking Madara, and Madara instead of swinging his staff in front of him, chose to simply kept on going back and back?

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@KingHashirama can Hashi defeat Rinnegan madara more specifically saying Limbo

Idk why you are trying to start something, that you won't be able to finish, and would need someone's help to argue against.

But you are saying a gai who canonly was shown to be on MS Kakashi's level until he achieved 8th gate, is beating 2 Kage level ninja?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

if you're unsure of what a word means, you can Google it kingh. No need to make up your own (non Webster supported,) definition of the word destroyed.

Did Kisame all even hurt gai directly in that match? Sounds like he got schooled to me. Can't s e how Gai loses, he is fast enough to keep up with Ay and I don't see v2 being above v3 susano in durability, not enough to make a difference even if it were

 

[KidGamer65]

Alright Idiot.

Destroyed = low-diff . You can't "Destroy" someone if you barely beat them.. That is what "destroyed" implies.. you kiddo said he destroyed Kisame.. no the f*ck he didn't. And then he had to use 7th gate for a weak Kisame also. rofl.

Except he did destroy him. Needing the 7G doesn't change the fact that Kisame got one shotted. The first part of your point is irrelevant considering it's only your baseless, and idiotic, opinion.

Not really, Naruto and Hashirama could've beat Sasuke and Madara if they had wanted to kill them, before it got to the point both of them were f*cked up as their opponent. But sure we can go with Hashirama barely beat Madara.

Nobody's talking about what could've happened. We are talking about what DID happen. Nor did anyone mention Naruto or Sasuke. Lol this whole part of your post is a waste.

But, I guess me exaggerating with the barely wasn't good, so i'll leave that. But that stems from the fact he needed 7th gate to beat a Kisame who had no samehada, and wasn't capable of full power that he showed before that fight. But putting this aside.

Irrelevant.

Now you are claiming, the mighty gai, magically takes on Raikage and Killer B. When both of their feats as far as "speed" goes are superior to Gai's. Killer B had the ability to react to Minato when he used his FTG. Raikage possessed the speed to counter FTG 's speed (only if he knew where the kunais were laid out). Now which of Gai's speed in 7th gate are we sooo much praising right now? THe one where he was attacking Madara, and Madara instead of swinging his staff in front of him, chose to simply kept on going back and back?

When Ay, let alone B, has a speed feat anywhere near what Gai did to Madara then we can talk about them being faster. That feat alone puts him on Ay's level of speed at least, let alone B's, which is not on Ay's level.

Madara didn't swing his staff down on Gai because he couldn't. It's really that simple. Minato charged him too, but Madara chopped his arm off. But when Gai came at Madara, Madara had no opportunity to strike until Hirudora was used. Then there's the fact that Minato got chopped down the moment he tried to attack Juubito in KCM, and Madara in SM while Gai did the same thing, and was too fast for Gai to chop down like he did to Minato.

 

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I recall KH saying that Hashirama can counter Limbo using his SM

Yeah lol

Idk why you are trying to start something, that you won't be able to finish, and would need someone's help to argue against.

But you are saying a gai who canonly was shown to be on MS Kakashi's level until he achieved 8th gate, is beating 2 Kage level ninja?

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[LuckyMan]

Did Kisame all even hurt gai directly in that match? Sounds like he got schooled to me. Can't s e how Gai loses, he is fast enough to keep up with Ay and I don't see v2 being above v3 susano in durability, not enough to make a difference even if it were

I think your really underestimating Ay here. He can throw Bee in partial transformation fast enough to intercept KCM Naruto mid shunshin. The pure muscle power and hand speed, timing, and coordination it took to do that is ridiculous and I think that feat certainly backs up him being able to tango with 7G Gai in a taijutsu fight.

As for AT, he can't hit both of them with it. Someone said before the reason Kisame survived AT was because Gai wasn't really trying to kill him but he made the explosion huge (though I refuted this because he had to way to prove Gai can focus it all in one area or spread it out) to defeat all the sharks and get the scroll back so Kisame didn't take the full power of the attack and the reason it was much smaller when used on Madara both times and no one was caught in the blast (remember it dwarfed turtle island like 3 times) was because Gai condensed it and focused all its power in a small area.

Now assuming the above is correct, If he uses the one he used versus Kisame, Ay and Bee are certainly surviving that but if he uses the one he did on Madara they can dodge its AoE but if he uses it in their face, only Ay can probably dodge which still makes him use 2 AT, tier him self then gets defeated.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah lol
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-sigh-, so why don't you show where it was stated Gai surpassed Kakashi before going 8th gate..

 

[KingHashirama]

When Ay, let alone B, has a speed feat anywhere near what Gai did to Madara then we can talk about them being faster. That feat alone puts him on Ay's level of speed at least, let alone B's, which is not on Ay's level.

Madara didn't swing his staff down on Gai because he couldn't. It's really that simple. Minato charged him too, but Madara chopped his arm off. But when Gai came at Madara, Madara had no opportunity to strike until Hirudora was used. Then there's the fact that Minato got chopped down the moment he tried to attack Juubito in KCM, and Madara in SM while Gai did the same thing, and was too fast for Gai to chop down like he did to Minato.

Now lets break this down.

1. Madara could've easily swung his staff, just like he could've easily ended all of them in a quick blitz and so on. So there is no "he couldn't swing"... because he could've. Or are you yourself not capable of swinging your hands when you are running backwards?

2. KCM Minato from what i recall did not use shunshin. And on top of that his shunshin speed from what we know is inferior to Ay's top speed (seeing he has only shown to counter Ay's top speed with FTG and not shunshin). And he was chopping by Madara, because of the huge gap between him and Minato .. Minato's striking speed is inferior to Ay /Gai and etc if he doesn't pop up on the person's body (and i'm positive we don't need to discuss about their speed).

3. You are using the battle's inconsistency (unless you really think Madara couldn't swing his hand at Madara or confront him straight up with a yin/yang attack and take off his body part )and illogical moments to prove a point for Gai.. but that point can't be proven because Gai had already used 7th gate before that in the war itself also i believe.. and his feats weren't that "good".

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Breaking a giant boulder by punching it is a great feat when you don't have any enhancements of any kind.

Ei's feat far surpasses it.

Ay's Liger Bomb made that crater, while he was enhanced by his Raiton Chakra Mode. Base Ay definitely can't do that.

Ummm, did you not just say:

V1 or V2 doesn't really matter. Ay's strength doesn't increase when he uses V2.

lol

And if Gai hits that level of power at the 6th Gate, he surpasses it at the 7th Gate, and that's more power than Chidori, and that's without the Nunchaku. Multiple, barraged hits from 7G Gai using a weapon spells the end of Gai.

Again, Piercing =/= Blunt force.

All that means is that Chidori is more focused towards one point. They don't function completely differently.

Yeah, making it much easier to break through a defence, albeit doing less overall damage (assuming the Blunt force attack also breaks through). Kisame was able to endure a offsetted Hirudora and a punch from 7th Gated Gai right afterwards. Also, we don't know how well Gai can use his Nunchuka in 7th Gate, there is a reason why he doesn't use it in fights, he trained to use it at his base speed, using it at 7th gate speed might just end up hitting himself.

He got in Madara's face and managed to release Hirudora point blank. He'd do the same to either of these guys, and it's not really even needed to take out Ay.

He got to Madara because his release made Madara cover his eyes and Madara did not attempt to dodge the attack, he stayed in one spot and easily overpowered it.

 

[Haizaki]

Shattering Rocks isn't a great comparison when Both aye and Bee are greatly more durable then Rocks. Yes Guy is strong, but so are both Aye and Bee. Aye would never get hit with Hindura while Bee would just heal with Sama. And While Guy has them beat in pure skills they wont go down with standard blows. Guys 6th Gate Blows cannonly did nothing to V2 Jins. It's 7th gate Hindura or Bus.

B heal from AT? Nah...He'll be dead given V3 Susanoo>>V2 Jins in terms durability Not to mention Samehada would be in its range so it gets caught up and can't heal.

Ay can't dodge AT from close range(CQC) considering JJ Madara was forced to block rather than evade...It was fast enough to catch him off guard....Gai's repeated blows in the 7th would prove troublesome to B though.

Then you're believing wrong. His comment on needing to up his speed just meant he needed to use V2 to increase the power of his attack. He was buying time like Tsunade requested so she could heal Onoki and Gaara though that doesn't mean he wasn't using max power, but his statement and the difference between V1 and V2 proves he only used V1.

He said "You're able to guard yourself even against my speed"

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- He won't be complaining about having to up his speed if he knew he could get through Madara.

- Onoki wouldn't have to lighten him in the first place if (his speed was enough) and then having to make him stronger at the point of attack...That implies his usual speed wasn't fast enough.

He then said he had to up it to get around Madara's guard. He won't be saying that if he could would he? He won't be complaining about having to up it.

Onoki won't need to lighten his speed if he already had the speed to get past Madara...He couldn't. Gai's foot speed is able to surprise Madara...Something Minato's teleportation didn't do. It's indeed arguable between them with Gai recent feat putting him above.

Also, Gai held AT back...I don't know what happened in Kisame's case but I know he held back. How he did it is unknown but seeing how the aim was to take him back for intel, he did so. There's also the fact that the one against Madara was much larger than a Bijuu still and he was at his limit when he used that.

Gai uses AT, EE twice or possibly more, NM and yet 2 AT is his limit? Nope.

 

[Kiba21890]

Vs A and B? It would be a tough fight. I think Bee would take it after A had been knocked unconscious. Gai would definitely do amazing though. But 7 gates has limitations

 

[KidGamer65]

Now lets break this down.

1. Madara could've easily swung his staff, just like he could've easily ended all of them in a quick blitz and so on. So there is no "he couldn't swing"... because he could've. Or are you yourself not capable of swinging your hands when you are running backwards?

Wrong. If he could've counterattacked, evading wouldn't be needed. He would've done what he did to Minato. That simple.

2. KCM Minato from what i recall did not use shunshin. And on top of that his shunshin speed from what we know is inferior to Ay's top speed (seeing he has only shown to counter Ay's top speed with FTG and not shunshin). And he was chopping by Madara, because of the huge gap between him and Minato .. Minato's striking speed is inferior to Ay /Gai and etc if he doesn't pop up on the person's body (and i'm positive we don't need to discuss about their speed).

Shunshin was never my main focus. My main focus is, Gai and Minato both engaged Juubi Jins, but both times Minato lost his arm before he could teleport to safety, even more so in the Juubito conflict considering he clashed with him, while Gai charged Madara and pushed him back instead of Madara cutting him down like he did. That shows that Gai trumps in reaction and striking speed.

3. You are using the battle's inconsistency (unless you really think Madara couldn't swing his hand at Madara or confront him straight up with a yin/yang attack and take off his body part )and illogical moments to prove a point for Gai.. but that point can't be proven because Gai had already used 7th gate before that in the war itself also i believe.. and his feats weren't that "good".

Your "inconsistency" point has nothing but your beliefs behind it. I don't care for your beliefs. I care for hard evidence. Gai only used 5th and 6th Gate in the War, and one Hirudora. He never used the 7G in a full scale clash until JJ Madara. So that point falls flat on it's face too.

Ei's feat far surpasses it

Yeah, I know this. Lol. Your point?

Ummm, did you not just say:

I said that V2 Ay isn't stronger than V1 Ay. Never said that V1 Ay isn't stronger than Base Ay.

Again, Piercing =/= Blunt force.

Addressed.

Yeah, making it much easier to break through a defence, albeit doing less overall damage (assuming the Blunt force attack also breaks through).

No, it makes it easier and does more damage despite having less energy. But if the total energy of the blunt force attack far surpasses the piercing attack in question, then there is no argument to be had. Focusing isn't going to close that overwhelming gap.

Kisame was able to endure a offsetted Hirudora and a punch from 7th Gated Gai right afterwards.

The strongest Hirudora shown has obliterated Susanoo, and Gai didn't try to kill him, so that punch means little for your argument.

Also, we don't know how well Gai can use his Nunchuka in 7th Gate, there is a reason why he doesn't use it in fights, he trained to use it at his base speed, using it at 7th gate speed might just end up hitting himself.

Lol. You literally just made this up, nor does it make any sense.

1. Gai used it in one fight. Point doesn't even begin to help you. Not to mention DB has stated that he's a master of many weapons, and that blunt weapons (Nunchaku) are his preference.

2. Gai training only to use it at Base speed is an assumption, and an illogical one at that.

3. That assumes that he can't properly control his speed, but considering he can, there's literally no reason he'd hit himself. That's like saying Rinnegan Sasuke can't use his sword as effectively as Beginning of Part 2 Sasuke, cause there is a large speed difference between the two.

He got to Madara because his release made Madara cover his eyes

That would only help explain how he got to him, not how he continued to push him back.

and Madara did not attempt to dodge the attack, he stayed in one spot and easily overpowered it.

Wrong. Gai charged Madara, Madara dashed back and parried his blows as Gai attacked, and then when Gai stopped to use Hirudora, Madara struck him down. That proves he can get in the far slower Ay's face, and do the same thing, but this time Ay can't overpower Hirudora.

 

[Bogard]

Pretty certain either could solo. He can't bypass their durability and hirudora leaves him open. Probably can't react to V2 Ay's speed either

 

[KidGamer65]

Pretty certain either could solo. He can't bypass their durability and hirudora leaves him open. Probably can't react to V2 Ay's speed either

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[Haizaki]

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Do me a favor and not argue with that guy..Please Lol. He's probably auditioning for some circus.

 

[Bogard]

I'm not gonna lie. I run a circus nearby but the most mysterious thing i never understood is that some guys always feel butthurt over my opinion when my circus is just there to create joy in most people's heart

 

[Ambivalence]

Pretty certain either could solo.

What? Lol

So... SM Minato vs JJ Madara goes like this [

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[Bogard]

What? Lol

So... SM Minato vs JJ Madara goes like this [

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I'm not as regular a poster in NB, let alone the naruto section as i used to, to try to engage this discussion once again especially after how much i tried in the past. All what i can tell you is that i have a different conception of the category of "speed" in the events you presented but i can accept your opinion