since when does any form of madara besides jj beat hashirama?

[VongolaX]

Hashi can turn a meteor into his own weapon, more earth for more wood etc.

Oonoki tried that and he got crushed.

The whole point to the meteor justu is to use gravity to to pul the meteorite down to the ground.

If you catch it, you'll have to destroy two before it hits the ground.

It's the power of the rinnegan, no sagemode can match it except for rsm users.

Hashirama was already restrained?

By edo rinnegan Madara

 

[Aznkidd]

Oonoki tried that and he got crushed.

The whole point to the meteor justu is to use gravity to to pul the meteorite down to the ground.

If you catch it, you'll have to destroy two before it hits the ground.

It's the power of the rinnegan, no sagemode can match it except for rsm users.



By edo rinnegan Madara

Strong fan fic in this one.

 

[VongolaX]

Strong fan fic in this one.

If that's the best you can do, you honestly should just delete your account.

fithy troll

 

[V h o]

Alive and up are the only forms. MS, EMS, edo are weaker to their counterparts.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Edo Madara onward more than capable to defeat Hashirama low difficulty if plot not restricted him using all his arsenal

 

[V h o]

Edo Madara onward more than capable to defeat Hashirama low difficulty if plot not restricted him using all his arsenal

Same can be said for edo hashirama who still didn't use SS and was weaker than his alive form.

 

[Zawerni]

Quite a bit of fanboying here.

We've already seen EMS Madara and SM Hashirama are about equal.

Alive Rinnegan Madara beats SM Hashirama.

Hashirama doesn't "neg" Madara.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Same can be said for edo hashirama who still didn't use SS and was weaker than his alive form.

Hashirama only restricted Arsenal was SS, Madara restricted Arsenal when he fought Edo Hashi was Tengai Shensei, Mokuton Susanoo clones, Rinnegan techniques like Deva path and other wood technique and SS also if possible

Plus they both edo and chakra is no problem.

Do the math.

edit:-

What we saw just they running away from shinju roots while fought each other and all thing happen behind the scene. But I'm very sure Edo Madara never used his full arsenal against Edo Hashi. CqC most of the time.

 

[BLAZE]

Limbo solos low diff

 

[V h o]

Hashirama only restricted Arsenal was SS, Madara restricted Arsenal when he fought Edo Hashi was Tengai Shensei, Mokuton Susanoo clones, Rinnegan techniques like Deva path and other wood technique and SS also if possible

Plus they both edo and chakra is no problem.

Do the math.

SS casually destroys any of those weaker jutsu. What ifs won't change canon

 

[VongolaX]

Same can be said for edo hashirama who still didn't use SS and was weaker than his alive form.

He can't take out these rinnegan justus:

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The meteor justu and Madara's capability of absorbing the god tree are two main justu edo madara can use to win

 

[Ansatsuken]

SS casually destroys any of those weaker jutsu. What ifs won't change canon

Yes, all thing I'm stated is canon, they never used all that for us to measure who above who.

What we saw was Edo Hashirama got stab by black rod, proof that Madara able to hit hashirama numbers of time and Hashirama's Wood Dragon suck Madara chakra and Pinned him using Myojinmon. Even Madara looks very calm there.

No *what if* there.

Edit:-

If I'm using what if situation, Edo Madara will defeat Edo Hashirama with all his power.

 

[V h o]

Yes, all thing I'm stated is canon, they never used all that for us to measure who above who.

What we saw was Edo Hashirama got stab by black rod, proof that Madara able to hit hashirama numbers of time and Hashirama's Wood Dragon suck Madara chakra and Pinned him using Myojinmon. Even Madara looks very calm there.

No *what if* there.

Except it is what if since you want to embellish a canon fight and add extra features. Edo Madara was restrained and couldn't escape, he lost at that point.

 

[Meekz89]

madara already negged hashi

When did this happen. I saw rods in Hashirama back restricting chakra. What did you see?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Except it is what if since you want to embellish a canon fight and add extra features. Edo Madara was restrained and couldn't escape, he lost at that point.

OK, in manga with Kishi logic and plot sure Edo Hashirama looks like he have defeated Edo Madara. But Madara still not defeated yet because he still alive and not being seal yet plus Hashirama doesn't have any sealing jutsu for edo because of that he need Naruto to seal Madara.

I will not say Hashirama win there. Defeating an opponent is not half way act but full act from start to finish and hashirama doesn't have finishing move just restraining Edo Madara is not enough. What if Edo Hashi fought with Edo Madara alone without Naruto and Sai. How he want to seal Edo Madara forever?

Madara can perform Rinne Tensei and get alive back and overpower Hashirama's techniques.

Edit:-
Here in this thread we can use what if/fan fic situation and out of manga battle.

Because of that we have VS section here.

 

[3MESSIAH]

the fact that edo madara didnt use limbo shows that madara was holding back....if edo madara couldnt however use limbo for some unproven reason then edo madara(without being edo) can as granting someone edo form in a fight against another isnt cool in the first place....

basically what i am saying if edo madara wasnt edo and could use limbo he would negg hashi

 

[V h o]

OK, in manga with Kishi logic and plot sure Edo Hashirama looks like he have defeated Edo Madara. But Madara still not defeated because he still alive and not being seal yet plus Hashirama doesn't have any sealing jutsu for edo because of that he need Naruto to seal Madara.

I will not say Hashirama win there. Defeating an opponent is not half way act but full act from start to finish and hashirama doesn't have finishing move just restraining Edo Madara is not enough. What if Edo Hashi fought with Edo Madara alone without Naruto and Sai. How he want to seal Edo Madara forever?

Madara can perform Rinne Tensei and get alive back and overpower Hashirama's techniques.

Arguing plot is silly since every last fight has plot controlling it. Why didn't JJ madara use PS? What if he did? Why didn't kaguya use nativity world of trees? What if she did? Why didn't kaguya warp everyone to the acid dimension? What if she did? Everything has plot.

There's nothing to really discuss, madara was wrapped by wood dragon and couldn't use chakra. Without him reviving (using another party) the fight would have been over.

 

[BLAZE]

Arguing plot is silly since every last fight has plot controlling it. Why didn't JJ madara use PS? What if he did? Why didn't kaguya use nativity world of trees? What if she did? Why didn't kaguya warp everyone to the acid dimension? What if she did? Everything has plot.

There's nothing to really discuss, madara was wrapped by wood dragon and couldn't use chakra. Without him reviving (using another party) the fight would have been over.

If you are arguing Rinne Madara VS Hashi

Limbo negs zero diff

can't be sensed without Rikudo SM,Can't be seen without Rinnegan,Can't be harmed without Rikudo chakra

 

[Ansatsuken]

Arguing plot is silly since every last fight has plot controlling it. Why didn't JJ madara use PS? What if he did? Why didn't kaguya use nativity world of trees? What if she did? Why didn't kaguya warp everyone to the acid dimension? What if she did? Everything has plot.

There's nothing to really discuss, madara was wrapped by wood dragon and couldn't use chakra. Without him reviving (using another party) the fight would have been over.

Yes I know but here Im arguing on the basis of non plot fight.

People that using Hashirama's wood Dragon and Myojinmon on Madara manga scan as proof that Edo Madara still lose in non plot fight actually unable to think properly.

Please not get confuse. I admit Edo Madara lost to Edo Hashirama.

 

[V h o]

Yes I know but here Im arguing on the basis of non plot fight.

People that using Hashirama's wood Dragon and Myojinmon on Madara manga scan as proof that Edo Madara still lose in non plot fight actually unable to think properly.

Please not get confuse. I admit Edo Madara lost to Edo Hashirama.

If those 2 jutsu are used what can madara even do?

If you are arguing Rinne Madara VS Hashi

Limbo negs zero diff

can't be sensed without Rikudo SM,Can't be seen without Rinnegan,Can't be harmed without Rikudo chakra

Naw, my initial post already says alive and up beat hashirama.