[Discussion] Pros and cons to Doffy vs straw hat

[saw2097]

Wow, people often forget the formula for part 1, they are too used to Luffy fighting against people who are weaker than he is.

Corocodile, Rob Lucci, and half of the villains from part 1 were stronger than Luffy when he fought them, yet he still won in the end.

Same here, Doflamingo is a important stepping stone, if Luffy can't beat him on his own he should just leave the New World, there are many people in the New World that can snap Doflamingo like a twig. Beating him one on one, is the minimum for moving on.

luffys trumpcard is sabo to the rescue

He is too far away, unless he learns how to fly he won't get to the fight until its over.

 

[bajram]

Taking Haki punches from Bellamy and not defending yourself is a handicap.

Luffy's stamina has been draining since the very start of the coliseum.

Luffy didn't fully heal from his damages either, so all in all everyone is handicapped.

Think of the journey it took luffy to get to doflamingo while he was running away via Pica.

Now may I remind you that red hawk sent Doffy flying coughing blood on his knees.

Also, gear two Luffy's kick sent him flying causing a crater.

Doffy's not stronger but his battle experience helps him a lot.

Taking hits from a fighter who is not even close to ur level to an attack that destroys ur innards is like comparing mosquito bites to getting kicked in the face.

All the fights in coliseum luffy had were easy fights, with chinjao one being the hardest where lufy literally took only 2 or 3 blows overall, doflamingo has been fighting in green bit too against opponents like sanji and law all the time and even knocking luffy out before birdcage.

Most of his journey ended in luffy being in the back of a cow, so no that;s ompletely nothing.

The red hawk was one of the strongest moves from Luffy and taking doffy completely off guard from sitting on a couch to getting hit by red hawk without hardening or something and still took it like a champ and proced to blitz Luffy and Law.

Ye because kicking Doffy in the condition he was is such a feat.

Doffy is stronger by the things that he has shown so far, the only thing that could make the fight balanced was the injury he took by Law.

 

[VongolaX]

Taking hits from a fighter who is not even close to ur level to an attack that destroys ur innards is like comparing mosquito bites to getting kicked in the face.

Well you can't say that when pre timeskip luffy punched Garp through the ground.

A mosquito bite doesn't send you flying upside down with your legs in the air head in the ground.

Same applies with luffy and Bellamy. Standing there taking blows after blows of Koka Haki is no joke really.

Especially when luffy come up all bruised up.

So both Doffy and luffy recieved injuries.

All the fights in coliseum luffy had were easy fights, with chinjao one being the hardest where lufy literally took only 2 or 3 blows overall, doflamingo has been fighting in green bit too against opponents like sanji and law all the time and even knocking luffy out before birdcage.

Just like luffy, it was all a one sided fight.

Doflamingo only got hit once in all those two battles, and it was a sratch to the face.

While luffy got hit by two or three Haki punches by the old happo navy guy.

Most of his journey ended in luffy being in the back of a cow, so no that;s ompletely nothing.

The red hawk was one of the strongest moves from Luffy and taking doffy completely off guard from sitting on a couch to getting hit by red hawk without hardening or something and still took it like a champ and proced to blitz Luffy and Law.

Fighting the executives too, he fought Gladius too and a few others with Zoro.

He took one red hawk and he was on his knees. When luffy used Gatling red hawk, he completely avoided it.

Let's not forget that luffy took all of Doflamingo's hits and his string clone, yet still got up with no problem.
May I add a rope tying his hands back too.

Second gear kick lifted him off his feet:

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Ye because kicking Doffy in the condition he was is such a feat.

Doffy is stronger by the things that he has shown so far, the only thing that could make the fight balanced was the injury he took by Law.

And Dofamingo hitting luffy in his condition makes this all better too?

That was only the second significant hit he got all through this arc.

Luffy's way stronger but his battle experience is way better.

The building is what putting Doffy in a disadvantage, he needs the clouds to evade all of Luffy's attacks like he did Sanji.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This thread reminded me of rule number one of debating with Varia: Don't. Your sanity is more important.

 

[VongolaX]

This thread reminded me of rule number one of debating with Varia: Don't. Your sanity is more important.

And the many times you turned out to be wrong while I was right?

Lmao gtfo

I still want my cookie from the last thread I shut you down.

You're not even being rational, you're fapping hardcore.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And the many times you turned out to be wrong while I was right?

Lmao gtfo

I still want my cookie from the last thread I shut you down.

You're not even being rational, you're fapping hardcore.

Yes, the many debates where you decided you were right and anyone who said something different than you was wrong. So credible.

What thread?

Right. Me, the one that reasoned that having your organs torn apart, bleeding internally, then forcibly pulled back together in a painful procedure will weaken you more than someone who is exponentially weaker than you punching you, isn't being rational.

You, the one who is reasoning that riding a bull, getting punched 3 times hours ago, and getting punched by someone who's far weaker than you is worse than having your organs blasted with two OP Devil Fruit abilities after taking two internally damaging attacks earlier, is so smart. Love how you just skipped over my last post cuz you couldn't retort. Keep it up, genius.

 

[VongolaX]

Also another thing here bajram is the damages luffy has already taken:

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Luffy suffered a lot more damage before coming up to fight Doflamingo.

I hope you're a lot more reasonable than Riker here

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

And the many times you turned out to be wrong while I was right?

Lmao gtfo

I still want my cookie from the last thread I shut you down.

You're not even being rational, you're fapping hardcore.

Self proclamation only makes one more self obsessed and conceited

You've never been correct

 

[Punk Hazard]

Also another thing here bajram is the damages luffy has already taken:

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Luffy suffered a lot more damage before coming up to fight Doflamingo.

I hope you're a lot more reasonable than Riker here

None of that compares to what Law did to his organs, try again.

Self proclamation only makes one more self obsessed and conceited

You've never been correct

Dude doesn't realize how wrong he's been how many times.

 

[VongolaX]

Self proclamation only makes one more self obsessed and conceited

You've never been correct

That's something that you need to prove, because they're threads that point otherwise.

This shitty post is farce in itself.

I've never been correct?

Lmao shut the hell up

 

[bajram]

Well you can't say that when pre timeskip luffy punched Garp through the ground.

A mosquito bite doesn't send you flying upside down with your legs in the air head in the ground.

Same applies with luffy and Bellamy. Standing there taking blows after blows of Koka Haki is no joke really.

Especially when luffy come up all bruised up.

So both Doffy and luffy recieved injuries.




Just like luffy, it was all a one sided fight.

Doflamingo only got hit once in all those two battles, and it was a sratch to the face.

While luffy got hit by two or three Haki punches by the old happo navy guy.



Fighting the executives too, he fought Gladius too and a few others with Zoro.

He took one red hawk and he was on his knees. When luffy used Gatling red hawk, he completely avoided it.

Let's not forget that luffy took all of Doflamingo's hits and his string clone, yet still got up with no problem.
May I add a rope tying his hands back too.

Second gear kick lifted him off his feet:

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And Dofamingo hitting luffy in his condition makes this all better too?

That was only the second significant hit he got all through this arc.

Luffy's way stronger but his battle experience is way better.

The building is what putting Doffy in a disadvantage, he needs the clouds to evade all of Luffy's attacks like he did Sanji.

Also another thing here bajram is the damages luffy has already taken:

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Luffy suffered a lot more damage before coming up to fight Doflamingo.

I hope you're a lot more reasonable than Riker here

I never denied that Luffy took damage from bellamy but comparing some haki punches by someone not noticeably strong isnt something u can compare to what doflamingo took here, he had been hit by red hawk which was a burning attack, got pierced by injection shot and on top of it had his innards cut and the only thing he did to them was give a first aid stitching them together for the time being, so yeah comparing punches and innards destroyed in real life is like comparing mosquito bites to getting kicked in the face not to forget that having ur innards burned made Ace die immediately and wasnt able to even give a hit back.

Still you've been saying to me that both are equal but only experience is helping doffy but looking at the opponents both fought and the difficulty both had u can see a clear picture of all this, this is a stamina issue we're talking getting hit by chinjao 2 or 3 times isnt a noteworthy injury if ur a high tier fighter, but doflamingo fought stronger opponents all around.

Ermmm? Luffy was able to to send doflamingo flying with that kick when doffy was coughing blood around and wasnt able to stand up straight on his feet, actually anyone of Law's level would find death at the hands of gamma knife, ur seriously underestimating the power of that move, doflamingo only barely survived because of his ability.

Actually I already explained why red hawk worked like that, he wasnt even excepting to get hit even the top of the fighters can get hit being off guard actually that's more of a feat from doffy that took a red hawk on gut off guard and barely even feeling it.

 

[VongolaX]

I never denied that Luffy took damage from bellamy but comparing some haki punches by someone not noticeably strong isnt something u can compare to what doflamingo took here, he had been hit by red hawk which was a burning attack, got pierced by injection shot and on top of it had his innards cut and the only thing he did to them was give a first aid stitching them together for the time being, so yeah comparing punches and innards destroyed in real life is like comparing mosquito bites to getting kicked in the face not to forget that having ur innards burned made Ace die immediately and wasnt able to even give a hit back.

Ace is a logia and we can't compare Luffy's red hawk to Akainu's magma fist.

Otherwise Hody would have a better tanking feat than Whitebeard and Ace.

Even if the damage is inwards, he still took minimal hits than luffy did all together through the arc.

The two hit Doffy took may seem worse, but he appears to handle it well considering that he got up right after the attack.

He even had the strength to hold law's face to attack him.

If his organs were still torn/damaged, then it would be a handicap.

But he's stitched up his wounds, so there's no constant pain or internal bleeding.

Still you've been saying to me that both are equal but only experience is helping doffy but looking at the opponents both fought and the difficulty both had u can see a clear picture of all this, this is a stamina issue we're talking getting hit by chinjao 2 or 3 times isnt a noteworthy injury if ur a high tier fighter, but doflamingo fought stronger opponents all around.

Luffy's strength is one of the notable top of the series.

He is way physically stronger than doffy, not even Doffy comes close in being able to ragdol Oars, Asgard Moria, or Giants.

Doffy beats his opponents with speed and fruit power.

Doffy can't stand there and take all of Luffy's attacks head on and expect to survive.

Ermmm? Luffy was able to to send doflamingo flying with that kick when doffy was coughing blood around and wasnt able to stand up straight on his feet, actually anyone of Law's level would find death at the hands of gamma knife, ur seriously underestimating the power of that move, doflamingo only barely survived because of his ability.

It's a move that's suppose to make you bleed out to death, but Doffy's fruit basically made the purpose of that attack useless.

It's not an instant kill move, that's why law volleys it with countershock so he won't be able to get help healing it.

Actually I already explained why red hawk worked like that, he wasnt even excepting to get hit even the top of the fighters can get hit being off guard actually that's more of a feat from doffy that took a red hawk on gut off guard and barely even feeling it.

Well he did feel the hit, he was coughing blood and flew back creating a crater.

Hody took two red hawks so I expect Doffy to do the same.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Varia is still trying? Lmaoo

 

[saw2097]

Varia is still trying? Lmaoo

Its seems insults are all you have left.

You are just showing everyone how childish you are.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its seems insults are all you have left.

You are just showing everyone how childish you are.

*criticizes use of insults*
*uses insults*
Okay buddy

In case you haven't noticed, Varia was the one to switch from rebuttals to ¨**** you, I'm right, you suck¨ ad hominems. Then again, you also resorted to the same childish, self-proclamatory bullshit, so I'm not surprised.

 

[saw2097]

*criticizes use of insults*
*uses insults*
Okay buddy

In case you haven't noticed, Varia was the one to switch from rebuttals to ¨**** you, I'm right, you suck¨ ad hominems. Then again, you also resorted to the same childish, self-proclamatory bullshit, so I'm not surprised.

Yet you are the one throwing a tantrum, you are getting emotional and angry over a work of fiction.

You clearly need a real life.

I don't throw a tantrum or cuss at people on the internet because it totally isn't worth it, I just like bluntly pointing out the reasons for people's arguments and flaws.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yet you are the one throwing a tantrum, you are getting emotional and angry over a work of fiction.

You clearly need a real life.

I don't throw a tantrum or cuss at people on the internet because it totally isn't worth it, I just like bluntly pointing out the reasons for people's arguments and flaws.

I'm not throwing a tantrum, nor am I emotional or angry. You assumed I was.

 

[saw2097]

I'm not throwing a tantrum, nor am I emotional or angry. You assumed I was.

Dude, anyone can see you are throwing a tantrum, you are cussing and simply saying inappropriate things. Which you don't do when you debate normally.

Its a dead give away.

But, this has gone far enough and we have gone completely off topic, so I am just going to drop the Luffy battle Law or Doflamingo issue until the next chapter. As I have clearly upset you.

 

[VongolaX]

Its seems insults are all you have left.

You are just showing everyone how childish you are.

Thank you sir.

He thinks he has some importance in everywhere he goes, and if I needed to dismantle his post I can easily do so.

I just decide to keep him ignored.

I've been reading your posts and I like a lot of points that you make.

Good job

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dude, anyone can see you are throwing a tantrum, you are cussing and simply saying inappropriate things. Which you don't do when you debate normally.

Its a dead give away.

But, this has gone far enough and we have gone completely off topic, so I am just going to drop the Luffy battle Law or Doflamingo issue until the next chapter. As I have clearly upset you.

Right, because you know how I'm feeling through a computer better than I do. It's funny because you're making the same kind of reaches that you've attempted to chastise me for, and that Varia and yourself have made. But keep on doing you.