and if we deduct the power Rasenshuriken adding to Amaterasu it still isn't the same as the Durability difference between Juubi and Kurama quit ignoring the argument and counter it.
Do you have the intelligence level of a 3 yr old? How many times am I going to have to tell you that your argument doesn't exist. You are only making shit up, calling it an argument, and then telling me to counter it.
Do I have to tell you what an argument is? Let's just say it's backed by PROOF or EVIDENCE. Not empty claims with zero back up.
Kurama can be more durable than Hachibi but that doesn't mean it isn't going to burn or feel pain.
-Tagging SM Naruto w/ his claws.
-In Avatar form it's fast enough to tag Juubito when aided by Naruto's sensing and reaction speed.
-Being a stronger Bijuu. We've already seen that the stronger the Bijuu, the better the stats. Bijuu 1-8--->Kurama---->Hachibi.
The only thing that'd differ is reaction timing because Naruto and B are the ones in control, but that doesn't change how physically fast the Bijuu is, thus that Bijuu will react faster.
How by trying to cover it's entire body with it's tails?
Covering it's self so that Sasuke can't see the body at all doesn't require that, but it doesn't really matter how he goes about it.
L0l stop Hachibi was literally about 20 ft away he clearly seen Sasuke concentrating with his eyes closed he knew something was happing Kurama won't have the luxury or being anywhere near that close and Sasuke have to actually focus to use Amaterasu this time. As i've said before EMS Sasuke eye doesn't bleed.(
Kurama would have little reason to be that far away, nor can Sasuke create a gap between them.
I suggest you read the manga and try not to take the outliers that prove your point.
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Foot speed yes he has no other speed advantage over Hachibi unless you would like to post some scans of him reacting faster than Hachibi. Let's look at the advantages for Killer bee.
Except one isn't going to explode. Madara's best feat is cutting a Mountain. Kurama's Standard Bijuu Dama is above the regular Bijuu Dama which vaporizes them. A weaker attack isn't going to do shit to a stronger one. Madara swings his blade, nothing happens, and then the Bijuu Dama blows him up.
L0l my arguments are based off assumptions what? L0l i gave you a pass with that " Stop Amaterasu isn't even fire hell if Oxygen was really a factor with it it would be able to burn out but it doesn't which means alot of Oxygen or little Oxygen doesn't even change anything. Sit down before i have to turn into PC l0l.
This is why I don't argue with tards. Amaterasu isn't fire? Log out, and don't come back. If Oxygen wasn't a factor then Fuuton wouldn't do shit to it, or did we forget the basic laws of science.
Turn into PC? You'd have to be able to form sub par arguments at the very least if you even wanted to think about being like him.
Just sayin'
You see. You've literally resorted to trying to rewrite canon so you can substantiate this shitty Amaterasu GG argument, even though less durable entities w/ far less power have dealt with this jutsu. Kurama blocks with his tails and then roars it away with the shockwave and blows Sasuke's Susanoo apart.
Bijuu fodders without a host? Bijuu vs. Madara literally shits on this entire point. Kurama making a gargantuan Bijuu Dama equal or greater than anything BM Naruto has done in canon shits on this point.
Lawd stop bringing up that giant bijuu dama it proves nothing BM Naruto never had time to charge a full bijuu dama like Kurama in the avatar world did so it disproves nothing furthermore he already countered a more powerful bijuu dama with a flash bijuu dama
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Same size if not bigger than the one kurama used but was used by multiple bijuus.
The rest is an assertion you can't back up. I can use this shit logic and say that V2 Susanoo>3rd Raikage in durability, even though we know it's not. Same with Ribcage.
Maybe your logic would hold some water if was saying Person A chakra > everyone in the Ninja world Flesh. when it comes to chakra i was talking about the user of the chakra > His Flesh durability Thats why 3RD raikage chakra lighting armor > His durability without it because the users chakra > their flesh.
Im pretty sure you knew what i was talking about it like that you just wanted to extend your post your try to side step the argument as usual
Naruto being chopped up by Kusanagi as opposed to his V2 form=/=Kurama being weaker than it's chakra avatar self. You are using shit examples to try and prove your point.
I was using that example because Naruto himself has not used his chakra as defense unless it he used it with kurama but not a bad example you could not even counter.
Slap your self 100% Kurama has 0 durability feats yet your trying to use the feat argument with me tsk.
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50% Of None chakra Kurama (Flesh & Bone) looked like this after getting hit by a standard size rasenshuriken.
while Gyuki Survived the following
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Survived a juubi dama explosion while its head was in Juubi's mouth Those feats shits on Alive Kurama feats. add the other 50% to that kurama and it would look the same after getting hit but a rasenshuriken of this size
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which does not even come close to the power of a bijuu dama. If that was BM naruto getting hit with a rasenshuriken The avatar would have been unfazed.
Juubi's durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurama's
tanked his own Tbb (Which was used in V2) yet was screaming like Gyuki was when amaterasu touched it
Because he swung it in a 360 degree fashion, not because he was strong enough to go through 6 Mountains. I've explained this shit to you how many times now buddy? Lol.
Completely irrelevant swinging it in a 360 does not increase its power at all. Also how would swinging it in a 360 make it go from 2 mountain buster to multi Mountain range cutter?
Even when standing up
Perfect susanoo destroyed 2 mountain size meteors then destroyed 2 mountains larger than itself in the distance in the shockwave was still traveling
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The dust cloud and shockwaves clearly travels far beyond those 2 mountains.
Manga shows that the lasers are EXACTLY THE SAME. This point was defeated the moment I proved that. There's nothing left to say on this point. You are wrong. Just admit it.
Not when one laser exploded and the other one did not meaning he did not tank the full power of the laser that is known for its notorious feats i will not admit to shit especially when your dead wrong.
Irrelevant since both are mountain + level just to different types of attacks a sword cant vaporize anything because it cuts or jabs not explode. Bijuu damas Explode plus has tons of heat behind then giving it all the standards to vaporize something but its not even the sword its self its the power that follows i.e shockwaves which destroys mountains on contact Ps sword turned Those meteors to rubble.
Let me use an example Gyuki tanked his own bijuu dama which can vaporize a mountain. Now a PS sword on contact would slice gyuki and Half NB4 you have no proof true i dont but i got accurate scaling and portrayal
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it implied this susanoo sword was going to do some damage to Gyuki not his tails his main body thats a v3 blade and if thats the case Perfect susanoo would shred gyuki's body while a mountain vaporizing Bijuu dama could not vaporize his body but why is that because different attacks effects things differently.
Full Kurama's standard's are larger and more powerful due to the size difference. That doesn't even take large super sized bijuu dama into account. PS slashes aren't doing jack to them.
Based off what is it more powerful? Nothing exactly and i tired of you talking about this larger BS when Full Kurama had time to fully charge a bijuu dama when BM naruto never had the time thus he never did one but he made a Bijuu dama the size of
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Which is possibly bigger than the one kurama made in that world not to mention Naruto made a bijuu dama near that size in a flash just with the face of kurama and single page
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Look how big that was without the rest of Kurama's body also that was produced in a fraction of the time it took that Kurama in naruto's head to use that giant bijuu dama that was not the size but it was much over half of its size positive. Give Naruto enough time he easily > the size of that bijuu dama
They pierced a Bijuu Dama not in motion. I can pierce a basketball with a knife. Guess that means I can pierce it with a knife if it were being thrown at me going 70 mph.
Real life logic is wrong furthermore its not knife its a samurai sword and if you give a baseball player who knows how to handle a samurai sword and he swing it at a flying baseball its definitely chops it in half samurai swords have chopped Faster and harder objects.
Child i could slap you but all your other post related to his topic have been shit i should have known this would be as well What reactions does 100% Kurama have that makes it better than gyuki? Also i shitted on why skin Kurama durability is equal if not less than Gyuki's try again.
In that scan Kurama's face and Hand are exposed furthermore he does not get into that position before amaterasu lights that ass up 1 Kurama is not a sensor 2 Kurama does not know what amaterasu so why would he even get into that position anyways. Furthermore in that position he is not using a bijuu dama so Sasuke lights every part of him up by keep using amaterasu untill he opens up.
Yes he can he tossed enton from the ground onto Gaara's sand with MS His mastery with ems is far above it he either spreads it or Dices Kurama up like he did Kaguya's ice.
Lawd stop bringing up that giant bijuu dama it proves nothing BM Naruto never had time to charge a full bijuu dama like Kurama in the avatar world did so it disproves nothing furthermore he already countered a more powerful bijuu dama with a flash bijuu dama
BM Naruto and Kurama used the same exact Bijuu Dama. Lmao. Stop making excuses. It makes you look like a punk. The fact that Kurama and BM Naruto use the same strength Bijuu Dama means that your "Bijuu are fodders without Jins" point is...garbage.
Then there's the fact that the Bijuu weren't fodder when they fought Madara after he was revived.Lol,
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Same size if not bigger than the one kurama used but was used by multiple bijuus.
It's the same size or smaller, your point though? Kurama and BM Naruto have shown no difference when it comes to their strongest Bijuu Dama. There's no reason to believe that BM Kurama is leagues above normal Kurama.
Maybe your logic would hold some water if was saying Person A chakra > everyone in the Ninja world Flesh. when it comes to chakra i was talking about the user of the chakra > His Flesh durability Thats why 3RD raikage chakra lighting armor > His durability without it because the users chakra > their flesh.
Except you can't prove that. Your Raikage example fails because you are comparing Raikage w/ Flesh+Chakra to Raikgae w/ just Flesh, when you are supposed to be comparing the durability of his armor and the durability of his flesh alone. Lol, talking about my logic when you can't even form a basic analogy without the obvious glaring flaws.
If we compare Raikage's Armor to his Flesh, you'll come out with the obvious ass conclusion that his flesh is far more durable than his armor. The armor was pierced by Chidori. If the armor was stronger, FRS would've wiped him off the face of the planet.
Im pretty sure you knew what i was talking about it like that you just wanted to extend your post your try to side step the argument as usual
Base Naruto being less durable than his enhanced form doesn't prove that Kurama is less durable than his chakra form. KN4 isn't a chakra form of Base Naruto. KN4 is an enhanced form of Base Naruto. Learn the difference before we make nonsense points.
I was using that example because Naruto himself has not used his chakra as defense unless it he used it with kurama but not a bad example you could not even counter.
It's a terrible ass example. Kurama Avatar is Kurama, but in a chakra form. KN4 is NOT Base Naruto, but in a chakra form. I hope I don't have the break it down further, cause anyone should be able to understand what I'm saying.
Kurama Avatar=Kurama. Only difference is one is made of chakra.
Base Naruto is NOT KN4 in a flesh form. KN4 is an enhanced form of Naruto.
Now ask yourself why is it more durable? because its focused high dense chakra as a defense which is stronger than flesh and bone.
Wrong. You are using shit examples to prove your point. It's literally the same thing as the first two examples. I suggest we grasp an understanding of this stuff before we reply.
Not weak we've already seen Gyuki's back getting daggered in by something simple to a kunai
Which isn't relevant, cause I didn't claim that Kurama would get rid of them, at least not initially. Strict's post clearly shows that a roar is enough, not to mention blocking with his tails, and then roaring it off is a counter just like Shinra Tensei.
Slap your self 100% Kurama has 0 durability feats yet your trying to use the feat argument with me tsk.
He got singed fur from a Rasen Shuriken. Your point? He took 2 direct Rasen Shuriken and at the end of it, was pretty much A-OK.
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FRS can't do anything but superficial damage to Kurama.
Survived a juubi dama explosion while its head was in Juubi's mouth Those feats shits on Alive Kurama feats. add the other 50% to that kurama and it would look the same after getting hit but a rasenshuriken of this size
Lol, so you go and cry about how Chakra>Flesh and Bone, but now we are implying that the Flesh and Bone Gyuki is more durable than the Flesh and Bone Kurama? Joke argument after joke argument.
1. Gyuki was wrecked by it's own Bijuu Dama.
2. That obviously wasn't a Juubidama explosion. I hope I don't have to post a pic of what one looks like. That was B's Bijuu Dama, and he was only on the edge of the explosion. He would've been wrecked like he was before had he been in the epicenter.
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which does not even come close to the power of a bijuu dama. If that was BM naruto getting hit with a rasenshuriken The avatar would have been unfazed.
The only reason it'd be unfazed is because it's chakra, shit like singed fur and massive pain doesn't matter. That's why Kurama Avatar can fight after having 6 of it's tails blown off, or after having half of it's face blown off by Bijuu Dama.
Juubi's durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurama's
tanked his own Tbb (Which was used in V2) yet was screaming like Gyuki was when amaterasu touched it
Lol, are you and YD collaborating or something? I've literally replied to this point already. Juubi was screaming when an enhanced Enton Arrow hit him.
Irrelevant V2 juubi tanked his own tbb yet was burning from Amaterasu V2 Juubi dama >>>>>>> V1 juubi laser (That did not even explode)
There is no explosion. It's a laser. Read above for the rest.
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Completely irrelevant swinging it in a 360 does not increase its power at all. Also how would swinging it in a 360 make it go from 2 mountain buster to multi Mountain range cutter?
If the shockwave is swung in a 360 degree angle, the range increases, thus it hits more Mountains, and since it can cut Mountains to begin with, they all get cut. That's common sense.
Even when standing up
Perfect susanoo destroyed 2 mountain size meteors then destroyed 2 mountains larger than itself in the distance in the shockwave was still traveling
I've already proven that they are the same. You can keep going on about how one exploded, and one didn't, but it's not going to change the facts. That effect was created because they hit the ground. If you'd pull your head out of your ass and use common sense you'd know that. It hit Naruto directly, hence it looking different.
Though it's already a fact they are the same laser. Shit excuses won't change that.
The irony
Lord can you see clearly a difference in power in both videos child stop
There is no difference. The fact you've resorted to anime anyway only shows that you can't prove your point with manga panels.
Not when one laser exploded and the other one did not meaning he did not tank the full power of the laser that is known for its notorious feats i will not admit to shit especially when your dead wrong.
This is pathetic. You can't rewrite Manga canon buddy. It doesn't work that away.
Irrelevant since both are mountain + level just to different types of attacks a sword cant vaporize anything because it cuts or jabs not explode. Bijuu damas Explode plus has tons of heat behind then giving it all the standards to vaporize something but its not even the sword its self its the power that follows i.e shockwaves which destroys mountains on contact Ps sword turned Those meteors to rubble.
Both being Mountain+ Level doesn't mean that PS Slashes are Mountain Range leveled. If anything it's stronger than a normal Bijuu Dama, but not far above that level.
Let me use an example Gyuki tanked his own bijuu dama which can vaporize a mountain. Now a PS sword on contact would slice gyuki and Half NB4 you have no proof true i dont but i got accurate scaling and portrayal
Based off what is it more powerful? Nothing exactly and i tired of you talking about this larger BS when Full Kurama had time to fully charge a bijuu dama when BM naruto never had the time thus he never did one but he made a Bijuu dama the size of
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Which is possibly bigger than the one kurama made in that world not to mention Naruto made a bijuu dama near that size in a flash just with the face of kurama and single page
Hmm, probably based on the fact that it takes more energy to vaporize a Mountain than it takes to cut it. But considering Madara cuts multiple Mountains, it'd most likely equal the energy needed to vaporize one. Zero proof or feats that'd put it far above that level though.
Addressed above.
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Look how big that was without the rest of Kurama's body also that was produced in a fraction of the time it took that Kurama in naruto's head to use that giant bijuu dama that was not the size but it was much over half of its size positive. Give Naruto enough time he easily > the size of that bijuu dama
Lol, I suggest we stop this attempt to make something that doesn't exist.
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These are the same size. Kurama's might be bigger by a bit, but that's probably because of the zoom on both panels. BM Naruto's largest Bijuu Dama on panel=50% Kurama's largest Bijuu Dama on panel. Anything else is fanfiction.
And a Basketball isn't a Bijuu Dama. Your point? Lol.
and if you give a baseball player who knows how to handle a samurai sword and he swing it at a flying baseball its definitely chops it in half samurai swords have chopped Faster and harder objects.
Except this paragraph only shows me that you have a poor grasp of physics. Better go retake that course.
1. Acceleration is a key factor.
2. Mass is a key factor.
F=MA. Force=Mass x Acceleration. The faster it moves and the more mass it has, the harder it'll be to cut it. Bijuu Dama cross lakes in a matter of seconds, and a golf ball sized one was heavier than KN4, let alone one the size of Full Kurama's. Zero proof that Madara can cut it in half.
But you were wrong already proved why Amaterasu does effect Kurama
Child i could slap you but all your other post related to his topic have been shit i should have known this would be as well What reactions does 100% Kurama have that makes it better than gyuki? Also i shitted on why skin Kurama durability is equal if not less than Gyuki's try again.
LMFAO! Kids, this is why we don't argue with trolls.
In that scan Kurama's face and Hand are exposed furthermore he does not get into that position before amaterasu lights that ass up 1 Kurama is not a sensor 2 Kurama does not know what amaterasu so why would he even get into that position anyways. Furthermore in that position he is not using a bijuu dama so Sasuke lights every part of him up by keep using amaterasu untill he opens up.
2. Kurama knows of Amaterasu as he's been fighting with Naruto the whole war arc.
3. He tanks Amaterasu, roars it away, and then blows Sasuke's ass up.
When will you Amaterasu GG clowns learn that this jutsu will never defeat any top tier in strength? Lol.
Yes he can he tossed enton from the ground onto Gaara's sand with MS His mastery with ems is far above it he either spreads it or Dices Kurama up like he did Kaguya's ice.
Not only does this not prove your point, Gyuki not having legs doesn't mean that Gyuki can't move it's limbs faster than Kurama, but it doesn't, nor can it.
But then again, look who I'm debating with. I can't expect logic to be used here.
Well amaterasu will effect the front of Kurama unless Sasuke goes behind Kurama to do so. Like you said, Kurama roar effects the front of Kurama so any flame in front of Kurama gets blown away.
I hope your not implying he's going to roar Amaterasu back before it lights him up? Impossible Amaterasu doesn't become tangible until it's target is lit up. That's if Kurama can even react in time. Ice stop with these silly arguments and he actually can via Aoda and suprise attack Kurama from his behide by going underground with Aoda and coming out in a different area.
Assumption.
Do you have the intelligence level of a 3 yr old? How many times am I going to have to tell you that your argument doesn't exist. You are only making shit up, calling it an argument, and then telling me to counter it.
Do I have to tell you what an argument is? Let's just say it's backed by PROOF or EVIDENCE. Not empty claims with zero back up.
Show me a scan that says Fuuton increase Amaterasu's heat? All it does is make it bigger you missed me with that terrible logic. It's clear that your dodging the argument but it doesn't matter because Proof or Evidence isn't needed for common sense.
Exactly what it means. That's what durability is.
Nope. Kurama is faster than Hachibi because Hachibi is a weaker Bijuu, just like the rest.
Actually there's plenty.
-Tagging SM Naruto w/ his claws.
-In Avatar form it's fast enough to tag Juubito when aided by Naruto's sensing and reaction speed.
-Being a stronger Bijuu. We've already seen that the stronger the Bijuu, the better the stats. Bijuu 1-8--->Kurama---->Hachibi.
Stop the Juubi is more durable than Kurama yet it burned and scream once it meet Amaterasu. That logic is beyond horrible i guess Hachibi is faster the Son Goku who had no problem man handling him and he has legs. I guess Hachibi is faster than the 6tails even though it has no legs right? No Kurama is only faster than Hachibi in terms of foot speed because Hachibi is legless. Also there is no proof Kurama is even faster than the 6tails or anything. That wasn't even real try again. Irrelevant seeing as it was boosted by SM so bye with that logic and once again that applies to foot speed.Bold is pure speculation.
Covering it's self so that Sasuke can't see the body at all doesn't require that, but it doesn't really matter how he goes about it.
Kurama would have little reason to be that far away, nor can Sasuke create a gap between them.
I suggest you read the manga and try not to take the outliers that prove your point.
That's if Kurama can even react i've already explain to you trying to cover it's self with it's tails is useless Hachibi is a prime example. Also again you failed to answer the question how will Kurama know when Amaterasu is coming? It's not a sensor or anything so please explain. Why can't Sasuke create a gab between them? He can escape his los via Aoda going underground. I already proved my point when he used it against Juubito and that's an inconsistency on Kishi behalf.
Something Kurama can replicate.
Nothing but shitty excuses, especially the first one. You can't even explain to me how that'd be relevant.
Except one isn't going to explode. Madara's best feat is cutting a Mountain. Kurama's Standard Bijuu Dama is above the regular Bijuu Dama which vaporizes them. A weaker attack isn't going to do shit to a stronger one. Madara swings his blade, nothing happens, and then the Bijuu Dama blows him up.
What might that be?` He clearly seeing Sasuke prepping the Jutsu how complicated can understanding that be? Bold is the definition of irrelevant. Until you show me that a ball Bijuudama can tank a mountain rang splitting shockwaves then we have an argument. Ps blades are far above mountain level considering there shockwaves can busting mountains while being miles away from them. Ps blades already showed superiority over Kurama's Bijuudama's so once again you missed me with that terrible argument. Also can Full Kurama even shoot 12 Bijuudama's simultaneously considering they all had Ps blades in them we already seen what Madara has to do to get the Bijuudama's and the Ps blade fusion so tell me how did he get 12 blades inside the Bijuudama's if they all come at once? Also he can simply throw his Ps blades at the Bijuudama's if shockwaves won't work stop the none since. Also he could grab them seeing as Susanoo can grow limbs as well.(
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). So all Ps has to do is grow limbs and catch every Bijuudama as i've said way to many counters for the rapid Bijuudama argument.
This is why I don't argue with tards. Amaterasu isn't fire? Log out, and don't come back. If Oxygen wasn't a factor then Fuuton wouldn't do shit to it, or did we forget the basic laws of science.
Turn into PC? You'd have to be able to form sub par arguments at the very least if you even wanted to think about being like him.
Just sayin'
You see. You've literally resorted to trying to rewrite canon so you can substantiate this shitty Amaterasu GG argument, even though less durable entities w/ far less power have dealt with this jutsu. Kurama blocks with his tails and then roars it away with the shockwave and blows Sasuke's Susanoo apart.
Lawd Amaterasu covers anything it touches rapidly.(
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)No one is trying to rewrite cannon you've literally resorted to ABC logic and ABC logic doesn't work on Naruto. All your argument is do saying well Hachibi did it so Kurama can do it because he's stronger than Hachibi stop with that terrible Logic this is Naruto not DBZ can't even take you serious with the over ration of Kurama. The fact still remains Madara Ps> Kurama in terms of durability. Also you always claim that BM Kurama is equal to Sasuke Ps yet you say Kurama will blow Ps up how? If BM Kurama is equal to Sasuke Ps then that means interms of durability as well. BM Kurama tanked Juubi lazer which by the way plowed through Bijuudama's effortlessly and yet Kurama tanked it therefore if Kurama and Sasuke Ps are equal it would have tanked Juubi lazer as well which by the way if tiers above a Bijuudama barrage but a Bijuudama barrage will tank out a PS your logic always collapse on it's self and when your confronted with it your always say you changed your mind how convenient.
Show me a scan that says Fuuton increase Amaterasu's heat? All it does is make it bigger you missed me with that terrible logic. It's clear that your dodging the argument but it doesn't matter because Proof or Evidence isn't needed for common sense.
There is no argument to dodge. Lol. You can keep crying about how I'm ignoring it, but it won't make evidence fall from the heavens into your post.
Stop the Juubi is more durable than Kurama yet it burned and scream once it meet Amaterasu. That logic is beyond horrible i guess Hachibi is faster the Son Goku who had no problem man handling him and he has legs. I guess Hachibi is faster than the 6tails even though it has no legs right? No Kurama is only faster than Hachibi in terms of foot speed because Hachibi is legless. Also there is no proof Kurama is even faster than the 6tails or anything. That wasn't even real try again. Irrelevant seeing as it was boosted by SM so bye with that logic and once again that applies to foot speed.Bold is pure speculation.
No, it burnt when it was hit by a Bijuu Sized Enton Arrow amped by COFRS, which is>>>>>>>>>>>regular Amaterasu. Just like a fire with a shitload of oxygen put into it>>>>>>>>>A regular fire.
Hachibi isn't stronger than Son Goku. Lol, so you have no point. Bijuu 1-8 are equals. The only ones who have shown power that'd make them outliers are Kurama and the Juubi. That's it.
Bold is speculation? Kids these days need to learn what speculation means.
Juubi--->Kurama--->Other bijuu is a fact. Kurama is more durable, stronger, and has more firepower than any other Bijuu. BM Naruto vs. 5 Bijuu pretty much shows this.
That's if Kurama can even react i've already explain to you trying to cover it's self with it's tails is useless Hachibi is a prime example. Also again you failed to answer the question how will Kurama know when Amaterasu is coming? It's not a sensor or anything so please explain. Why can't Sasuke create a gab between them? He can escape his los via Aoda going underground. I already proved my point when he used it against Juubito and that's an inconsistency on Kishi behalf.
Gyuki reacted, and Kurama is at the very least as fast as him, even though he's faster. So Kurama easily reacts as well. Hachibi didn't know shit about the attack or what was coming and still managed to cover himself. Using him as an example only helps my argument.
Kurama not a sensor? Doesn't need to be able to sense when he can see Sasuke's eye bleed.
Aoda going underground breaks LoS until Sasuke comes back up, then he's just back to square one. Going underground is useless.
Lol, stop being a fool and use logic. Sasuke's eye bled every single time except for that one time, meaning that is the outlier, meaning that is the feat that is excluded.
-Bled against Revived Madara.
-Bled against Kaguya.
-Bled against Kaguya again.
-Bled against Naruto at VoTE.,
What might that be?` He clearly seeing Sasuke prepping the Jutsu how complicated can understanding that be? Bold is the definition of irrelevant. Until you show me that a ball Bijuudama can tank a mountain rang splitting shockwaves then we have an argument.
When you can back your claims we can talk. You claimed that Madara can cut a Bijuu Dama in motion, in half. I suggest you prove it. That simple. If you aren't going to do so, all irrelevant points will be cut out.
Ps blades are far above mountain level considering there shockwaves can busting mountains while being miles away from them
Also can Full Kurama even shoot 12 Bijuudama's simultaneously considering they all had Ps blades in them we already seen what Madara has to do to get the Bijuudama's and the Ps blade fusion so tell me how did he get 12 blades inside the Bijuudama's if they all come at once?
Susanoo didn't grow limbs. Those are the limbs Susanoo has always had. Sasuke was able to make it appear there because limbs weren't needed for him and Naruto's fusion. Kurama's arms held the blades.
Though I like the amount of nonsense arguments you are making. Only shows how desperate you are at this point. We have:
-Susanoo growing 12 arms.
-Susanoo throwing it's blades to counter Bijuu Dama.
-Susanoo cutting Bijuu Dama in half.
Even if I adhered to this cut Bijuu Dama in half BS, it'd just explode mid way, catching Madara in the blast of 12 Bijuu Dama, meaning his Susanoo is destroyed anyway.
Not to mention this doesn't counter any other Bijuu Dama Kurama can use. Doesn't counter Flash Bijuu Dama for example.
Inb4 Madara cuts it in half.
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Lawd Amaterasu covers anything it touches rapidly.(
-Proved that oxygen didn't affect Amaterasu, but scans already show that it does.
-That Amaterasu wasn't fire.
Lol, what's next? Tobirama's Suiton isn't water? Chidori isn't electricity? Doton isn't earth? Amaterasu is some magic black substance that only looks, acts, and burns just like fire does?
Can't even take this horseshit seriously. Amaterasu isn't fire.....smh.
No one is trying to rewrite cannon you've literally resorted to ABC logic and ABC logic doesn't work on Naruto.
I like how you throw around this claim w/o actually knowing why people say that. It doesn't work when deciding match ups because strength isn't the only factor. This isn't a match up. Kurama and Hachibi's durability isn't a match up. With Bijuu strength is the ONLY factor.
All your argument is do saying well Hachibi did it so Kurama can do it because he's stronger than Hachibi stop with that terrible Logic this is Naruto not DBZ can't even take you serious with the over ration of Kurama.
It plowed through 9 tiny Bijuu Dama. Not only is that not the same as overpowering something with the force of 9 Bijuu Dama explosions put into one, the Avatar lost 6 tails after that.
therefore if Kurama and Sasuke Ps are equal it would have tanked Juubi lazer as well which by the way if tiers above a Bijuudama barrage.
If Sasuke's PS defends itself with it's wings or some shit like that it'd be able to survive, but if it takes a direct hit it gets obliterated, just like the Kurama Avatar. That's one of the reasons why PS can be defeated by Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama Barrage.
The second reason is that it happened in canon. Lol, so I don't know what you are trying to prove here. Chojo Kebutsu and Madara's Barrage created two explosions of equal size. Meaning they are equal, meaning if PS took a direct hit from either one, Madara would die a terrible death.
Concede. Yes that's all true against regular katon which isn't Amaterasu. Also Kakashi suiton was bested because of the size not heat. His Katon was much bigger than the suiton that Kakashi shot to counter it try again sir. Please elaborate if Amaterasu was such a regular flame how come it can't be put out with large winds,Water etc.
There is no argument to dodge. Lol. You can keep crying about how I'm ignoring it, but it won't make evidence fall from the heavens into your post.
No, it burnt when it was hit by a Bijuu Sized Enton Arrow amped by COFRS, which is>>>>>>>>>>>regular Amaterasu. Just like a fire with a shitload of oxygen put into it>>>>>>>>>A regular fire.
Hachibi isn't stronger than Son Goku. Lol, so you have no point. Bijuu 1-8 are equals. The only ones who have shown power that'd make them outliers are Kurama and the Juubi. That's it.
Bold is speculation? Kids these days need to learn what speculation means.
Juubi--->Kurama--->Other bijuu is a fact. Kurama is more durable, stronger, and has more firepower than any other Bijuu. BM Naruto vs. 5 Bijuu pretty much shows this.
Once again using that same logic. Give proof that Amaterasu without being fused with a FRS wouldn't have affected the Juubi? Let alone Kurama. So wait Shukaku who was man handled by Gamabunta and a standing Susanoo is equal to Hachibi? "Jesus take the wheel" Bijuu are extremely weak without Jinchuriki im pretty sure the Manga has explained this multiple times. Also the 3tails was one shotted by Deidara's bomb and it wasn't even a huge.(
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). By you logic all Bijuu are the same besides Kurama so Hachibi who tanked his own Bijuudama would have been tooken out by this small bomb as well? Once again your logic fails.
Gyuki reacted, and Kurama is at the very least as fast as him, even though he's faster. So Kurama easily reacts as well. Hachibi didn't know shit about the attack or what was coming and still managed to cover himself. Using him as an example only helps my argument.
Kurama not a sensor? Doesn't need to be able to sense when he can see Sasuke's eye bleed.
Aoda going underground breaks LoS until Sasuke comes back up, then he's just back to square one. Going underground is useless.
Lol, stop being a fool and use logic. Sasuke's eye bled every single time except for that one time, meaning that is the outlier, meaning that is the feat that is excluded.
-Bled against Revived Madara.
-Bled against Kaguya.
-Bled against Kaguya again.
-Bled against Naruto at VoTE.,
Where in the OP does it state intel is full? Still yet to provide scans suggesting Kurama reaction time is faster than Hachibi L0l. All your claims are about foot speed. Didn't i already show a scan debunking the bleeding argument? How will Kurama even know where he'll be plus Aoda can use himself as a distaction etc. Lol @ Bold why to fit your agruments?
This clown....
When you can back your claims we can talk. You claimed that Madara can cut a Bijuu Dama in motion, in half. I suggest you prove it. That simple. If you aren't going to do so, all irrelevant points will be cut out.
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Not really. Being above normal Mountain Level=/=Being stronger than something that vaporizes them. If anything they are equal, if anything.
Fanfic isn't allowed. Sorry son.
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I don't care how he did it. The fact remains that Madara and Kurama fired 11-12 Bijuu Dama at Hashirama during their match.
Here we see Madara sword piercing a Bijuudama without difficulty at all.(
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). Yes but as i've stated nothing suggested it was all simultaneously so that argument can be dismissed.
Lol, that shit is even worse. If he can't cut it then throwing his damn sword at it isn't going to do anything. Bijuu Dama plows through it.
Susanoo didn't grow limbs. Those are the limbs Susanoo has always had. Sasuke was able to make it appear there because limbs weren't needed for him and Naruto's fusion. Kurama's arms held the blades.
Though I like the amount of nonsense arguments you are making. Only shows how desperate you are at this point. We have:
-Susanoo growing 12 arms.
-Susanoo throwing it's blades to counter Bijuu Dama.
-Susanoo cutting Bijuu Dama in half.
Even if I adhered to this cut Bijuu Dama in half BS, it'd just explode mid way, catching Madara in the blast of 12 Bijuu Dama, meaning his Susanoo is destroyed anyway.
Not to mention this doesn't counter any other Bijuu Dama Kurama can use. Doesn't counter Flash Bijuu Dama for example.
The same sword that pierced a Bijuudama is now going to get shrugged off? So wait Susanoo hand another arm that was shown but was much bigger than it's actually arms seeing as the growing arm was big enough to grab one entire tail by it's lone some? Sure..... Susanoo doesn't need to grow twelve arms since it cannonly already has .
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. And as i've explained above Kurama can't even shoot 12 Bijuudama's at once so nope. Why can't it blades cause a Bijuudama to explode they didn't turn Tengai shinsai into dust yet a ball bijuudama is going to shrug them off? Susanoo blade already cannonly pierced a Bijuudama. Yep just like it exploded when Madara pierced it with his blade huh?
If only this:
-Proved that oxygen didn't affect Amaterasu, but scans already show that it does.
-That Amaterasu wasn't fire.
Lol, what's next? Tobirama's Suiton isn't water? Chidori isn't electricity? Doton isn't earth? Amaterasu is some magic black substance that only looks, acts, and burns just like fire does?
Can't even take this horseshit seriously. Amaterasu isn't fire.....smh.
Is this even an argument or a rant i said Amterasu isn't like regular fire so quit crying and deal with it. Also says the guy that's trying to use actually chem to back up your claims this is a manga not real life sir.
I like how you throw around this claim w/o actually knowing why people say that. It doesn't work when deciding match ups because strength isn't the only factor. This isn't a match up. Kurama and Hachibi's durability isn't a match up. With Bijuu strength is the ONLY factor.
Lol, hey guys. Saying that Kurama is faster and more durable than Hachibi is now overrating him.
Once again ignoring the actual argument and just skipping around. No your overrating his speed. L0l and saying he won't feel Amaterasu l0l. Your getting desperate.
Not really relevant.
Lol. How in the world does Kurama Avatar equaling Sasuke's PS mean that Full Kurama can't defeat Madara's PS?
Yup.
It plowed through 9 tiny Bijuu Dama. Not only is that not the same as overpowering something with the force of 9 Bijuu Dama explosions put into one, the Avatar lost 6 tails after that.
Full Kurama is a Jin less Kurama therefore the gab between him and BM Kurama isn't much you fool. Tiny? There stand Bijuudama size you fool. What does Kurama losing tails have to do with anything?
If Sasuke's PS defends itself with it's wings or some shit like that it'd be able to survive, but if it takes a direct hit it gets obliterated, just like the Kurama Avatar. That's one of the reasons why PS can be defeated by Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama Barrage.
The second reason is that it happened in canon. Lol, so I don't know what you are trying to prove here. Chojo Kebutsu and Madara's Barrage created two explosions of equal size. Meaning they are equal, meaning if PS took a direct hit from either one, Madara would die a terrible death.
Madara Ps or Sasuke be more specific? L0l Ps being blown away by a Bijuudama barrage Ps took some of the explosion of 12 Bijuudama's plus punches from SS which hands are the size of full Kurama Lmao stop. This is proof that Kurama tbb's are tanked like nothing as Ps already did in cannon. only Half of Ps was missing after being hit with the explosion of multiple Bijuudama's and an SS assault.
Concede. Yes that's all true against regular katon which isn't Amaterasu. Also Kakashi suiton was bested because of the size not heat. His Katon was much bigger than the suiton that Kakashi shot to counter it try again sir. Please elaborate if Amaterasu was such a regular flame how come it can't be put out with large winds,Water etc.
Amaterasu is fire. Amaterasu not being able to be put out by water doesn't change the fact that it's fire, and it reacts to wind the same way any other fire would as the manga clearly shows. You can keep going on and on about how it's not the exact same as regular fire, but the facts won't change. It reacts just like fire does. It is fire, the only difference is that it doesn't get put out, and it's hotter. Simple as that.
Once again using that same logic. Give proof that Amaterasu without being fused with a FRS wouldn't have affected the Juubi? [/QUOTE]
I suggest you learn how to debate. It's your job to prove that it will. No scans support the Juubi being affected that badly by a regular Amaterasu, especially since the enhanced one only made it scream for a bit. I have no reason to believe that a normal Amaterasu does shit to the Juubi or Kurama if it blocks with it's tails.
So wait Shukaku who was man handled by Gamabunta and a standing Susanoo is equal to Hachibi?
Shukaku was beating the shit out of Gamabunta. I suggest we read the Manga again, not to mention V3 Susanoo didn't do shit to any of the Bijuu. It got bitchslapped by Naruto. All it did was break Gaara's Sand Pyramid.
"Jesus take the wheel" Bijuu are extremely weak without Jinchuriki im pretty sure the Manga has explained this multiple times. Also the 3tails was one shotted by Deidara's bomb and it wasn't even a huge.(
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). By you logic all Bijuu are the same besides Kurama so Hachibi who tanked his own Bijuudama would have been tooken out by this small bomb as well? Once again your logic fails.
The chapter where the Bijuu fought against Madara and pressured him w/o even using things like Bijuu Dama completely obliterates the preconceived notion of Bijuu being fodder without Jinchuuriki. Sorry buddy.
Where in the OP does it state intel is full? Still yet to provide scans suggesting Kurama reaction time is faster than Hachibi L0l. All your claims are about foot speed. Didn't i already show a scan debunking the bleeding argument? How will Kurama even know where he'll be plus Aoda can use himself as a distaction etc. Lol @ Bold why to fit your agruments?
Kurama has intel on Amaterasu through Naruto's fight with Sasuke. Intel doesn't need to be full.
I except I never made any claim about foot speed. I only said speed. Lol. The stronger the Bijuu, the better it's stats. That's a fact. Not to mention Kurama's reaction time doesn't need to be faster than Hachibi's. It only needs to be equal to do what Hachibi did w/ zero intel on the jutsu.
The moment he emerges he'll be seen unless you think Kurama is only going to look in one direction. Scanning the area repeatedly till Sasuke emerges is a basic, rudimentary tactic. Then there's the fact that sound will be made when he emerges. And how is Aoda going to distract Kurama? Lmao. Here's one thing all people who make shit distraction arguments forget to take into account. The person doing the distracting has to be strong enough to turn the foes attention towards them. If an ant and a bear attacked you, would you ignore the bear because the ant tried to attack you?
Obviously not. Same principle here. I hope I don't have to explain further.
@bold: Lol, this is why I try not to argue with dumb kids, or adults who form arguments dumb kids would form. It's excluded because it's an outlier, and being an outlier in this case simply means that Kishi made a drawing error. It's funny that you tried to pull the same argument, but then when it turns out to be true, only it helps my case and not yours, you suddenly cry about how I'm only doing it cause it "fits my argument". Pathetic.
Every time Amaterasu is used before that instance, Sasuke's eye bled. Every time after that, it bled. Meaning Kishi made an error. Even then, most recent feats are always taken into account. Sasuke's eye bled the last time he used Amaterasu, so I have no reason to believe that it wouldn't bleed this time around.
Here we see Madara sword piercing a Bijuudama without difficulty at all.(
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Lol, your buddy literally made the same point. I suggest you two actually read the thread before you reply. It'll save all of us a lot of time. Piercing a Bijuu Dama that isn't in motion doesn't mean that he can pierce one in motion. I can pierce a ball with a knife. Does that mean I can pierce or cut a ball being thrown at me going 100 mph with that same knife? Obviously not.
Force=Mass x Acceleration. There is no force behind that Bijuu Dama if it's not moving. I suggest we learn this formula before we continue with this argument.
Where am I comparing the ball form to the explosion? Lol. All I said is that PS blade being above Mountain level doesn't put it far above a Bijuu Dama.
And yes. Cutting a Bijuu Dama in motion is fanfic.
The same sword that pierced a Bijuudama is now going to get shrugged off
Read above. F=MA. Learn it. Understand it. Or don't reply.
So wait Susanoo hand another arm that was shown but was much bigger than it's actually arms seeing as the growing arm was big enough to grab one entire tail by it's lone some? Sure..... Susanoo doesn't need to grow twelve arms since it cannonly already has .
Sorry pal. I don't care for what you say unless there is a manga panel proving your point. Amaterasu being unable to be put out doesn't mean that Amaterasu can't be powered up by wind. Literally the stupidest thing I've read all day.
Also says the guy that's trying to use actually chem to back up your claims this is a manga not real life sir.
Unless you can tell me why it won't work in this case, I suggest you don't even go there. Lol.
Once again ignoring the actual argument and just skipping around. No your overrating his speed. L0l and saying he won't feel Amaterasu l0l. Your getting desperate.
What does Kurama losing tails have to do with anything?
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Bijuu Dama compared to Mokujin, and SS's hands, which are near Kurama in size.
Full Kurama's standard Bijuu Dama.
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BM Naruto's Continuous Bijuu Dama.
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It's clear which one is larger. Much larger in fact.
Madara Ps or Sasuke be more specific?[/QUOTE]
Both.
L0l Ps being blown away by a Bijuudama barrage Ps took some of the explosion of 12 Bijuudama's plus punches from SS which hands are the size of full Kurama Lmao stop. This is proof that Kurama tbb's are tanked like nothing as Ps already did in cannon. only Half of Ps was missing after being hit with the explosion of multiple Bijuudama's and an SS assault.
Wrong. All that means is that half of PS gets obliterated, and that's more than enough to render it unable to fight. All Kurama has to do after that is finish it with a Flash Bijuu Dama.
And no, half of PS wasn't missing after the blow. It vanished completely at the end. If there was half left, you'd see half left. Lol.
KidGamer, I don't think your argument about Madara not being able to pierce a TBB coming at him is correct. First off, if the TBB is flying towards Madara and Madara throws a PS sword slash at it, the collision will be more intense and both objects will feel a much more massive force than if one object was stationary.
F = ma is correct but when a collision between two objects happens, you have to use conservation of momentum instead. Three things can happen if a perfect susanoo shockwave collides with TBB.
1) The TBB and shockwave stick together and end up moving towards Madara because the TBB will obviously have more momentum.
2) The shock wave goes back towards Madara and the TBB goes back at the Kyuubi. This seems rather unrealistic as nothing like this has happened in any of the clashes in Naruto.
3) The shock wave causes the TBB to go off, but to conserve momentum, the shockwave stops travelling towards the Kyuubi because the prior momentum of the TBB should still be conserved somehow and if it explodes, it means that the shockwave will have to cease its motion towards the Kyuubi.
Even when we look at your F = ma equation, do realise the acceleration as a result of the collision will be much greater if the TBB is in motion.
In summary: If you run into an attack, you take more damage than if you were stationary, therefore it should be easier for Madara to pierce a TBB coming at him then a stationary TBB.
KidGamer, I don't think your argument about Madara not being able to pierce a TBB coming at him is correct. First off, if the TBB is flying towards Madara and Madara throws a PS sword slash at it, the collision will be more intense and both objects will feel a much more massive force than if one object was stationary.
F = ma is correct but when a collision between two objects happens, you have to use conservation of momentum instead. Three things can happen if a perfect susanoo shockwave collides with TBB.
1) The TBB and shockwave stick together and end up moving towards Madara because the TBB will obviously have more momentum.
2) The shock wave goes back towards Madara and the TBB goes back at the Kyuubi. This seems rather unrealistic as nothing like this has happened in any of the clashes in Naruto. 3) The shock wave causes the TBB to go off, but to conserve momentum, the shockwave stops travelling towards the Kyuubi because the prior momentum of the TBB should still be conserved somehow and if it explodes, it means that the shockwave will have to cease its motion towards the Kyuubi.
Even when we look at your F = ma equation, do realise the acceleration as a result of the collision will be much greater if the TBB is in motion.
Bold is what will happen, underlined is a possibility if we are talking about standard Bijuu Dama, anything higher and it's the bold. If the shockwave had equal force then it'd cause the Bijuu Dama to explode, but considering it doesn't, the shockwave wouldn't do anything to it.
In summary: If you run into an attack, you take more damage than if you were stationary, therefore it should be easier for Madara to pierce a TBB coming at him then a stationary TBB.
No, cause then he'd have to overpower the force of the Bijuu Dama if he wanted to pierce it. Just like my example notes. I can easily pierce a basketball with a knife, but if someone were to throw said basketball at me, I wouldn't be able to pierce it as easily if at all.
Madara wins. His PS stalemated Senpou Mokujin, an entity that is superior to standard Mokujin that was, in turn, compared to full Kurama in physical strenght. Exploiting his height advantage it would outmuscle its opponent and with its kenjutsu prowess stab and slice Kurama. Bijuudama is out of contest considering PS can catch or repel smaller ones, or outright evade by flying. Bigger ones will not be fired while Kurama is being punched, kicked and slashed by something all around better than it.
This ended the thread. PS took thousands upon thousands of punches from Hashirama's Buddha's statue and somewhere at the end of the battle started to flake off. But Kurama somehow kills Madara and Sasuke? All assumptions.
The bigger ones can never be fired off the bat. None of the BDs can be. PS slash is lightening fast by comparison. One slash interrupts the charge and Kurama's own BD blows up in its face. I doubt it would be able to survive that explosion and the combination of Sword Slash whose shock wave alone decimated mountains. It surviving a direct hit is a reaching and laughable argument.
Replace Madara with Sasuke and the win becomes easier because Sasuke can use three forms of PS weaponry and its usage is twofold: Enton and simple. Magatama from the Enton Jewel and PS Enton Slash end this fight rather easily.
100% or not, Kurama wining this is preposterous.
P.s: Oh look, people using scientific formulas and half-baked scientific logic with zero figures. Just when I thought NB couldn't get any more stupid.
God, I had to rep you for this part. That feetless Homophone Pun made me laugh hard. Great post. As for Hachibi's speed feats, then I remember it stepping in again and again to aid Naruto's ***** ass in BM.
The shockwave of PS' would may stops a regular TBB (I'm sure it will, if it has enough force to slice through a mountain range), but a giant TBB will turn it to paste. PS never stops a TBB larger than itself.
F=ma translating magically into Shockwave dynamics - I won't even touch on this that how incredibility laughable this is. Forget the Mach-number of the Sword, The energy and mass conservation of TBB, or the compression of the mass ... I mean, how did any of you reach to this conclusion? I am really really curious.
P.s: Oh yeah, I forgot ... because science, logic, and common sense.
The shockwave of PS' would may stops a regular TBB (I'm sure it will, if it has enough force to slice through a mountain range), but a giant TBB will turn it to paste. PS never stops a TBB larger than itself.
I still have to see some scientific reasoning behind the ****ing moronic claims I am reading about Shock-waves here. Some of you have literally no shame. How does f = ma work for Shock-wave calculation? Not to mention if we do bring common sense into this, then mountains are far more compact and solid a structure than a bunch of Chakra kneaded together to form a Bijuu Dama. If that disintegrated, BDs won't? Laughable.
F=ma translating magically into Shockwave dynamics - I won't even touch on this that how incredibility laughable this is. Forget the Mach-number of the Sword, The energy and mass conservation of TBB, or the compression of the mass ... I mean, how did any of you reach to this conclusion? I am really really curious.
P.s: Oh yeah, I forgot ... because science, logic, and common sense.
I still have to see some scientific reasoning behind the ****ing moronic claims I am reading about Shock-waves here. Some of you have literally no shame. How does f = ma work for Shock-wave calculation? Not to mention if we do bring common sense into this, then mountains are far more compact and solid a structure than a bunch of Chakra kneaded together to form a Bijuu Dama. If that disintegrated, BDs won't? Laughable.
Kurama can't be beaten with brute force, at least not by these guys. Too much power even compared to his fellow Bijus. Even Hashirama was afraid of his power. A Susanoo that has the hype to rival Bijus can't measure up with the strongest one and Sasuke is even weaker.
