Did EMS Sasuke have PS?

Demonic. · Mar 22, 2015

shelke said:
I am not going to step in this debate between you two, but he isn't talking about PS here. Onoki is talking about how Madara wasn't taking him seriously then, and fast forward in time, the situation is the same now. "Even then" doesn't mean he's talking about an object, but a point in time, and the argument here is 'he held back and didn't take them seriously'.

It doesn't even remotely imply that he used Susano'o or PS against them.

Point taken. Madara stating "it is said that anyone who sees it dies" should be proof enough that Madara had used PS before. The fact that this guy is saying EMS Madara doesn't have PS.....Lol

shelke · Mar 22, 2015

Demonic. said:
Point taken. Madara stating "it is said that anyone who sees it dies" should be proof enough that Madara had used PS before. The fact that this guy is saying EMS Madara doesn't have PS.....Lol

No I disagree on that part with him. Madara did have PS. We saw him use it against Hashirama. Not to mention the dialogue you talked about. It's proof enough that he had had PS for a long time before his battle with Hashirama.

Netflix and Chill · Mar 22, 2015

KidGamer65 said:
Yes. He did. Anyone who can read the Manga knows that he did.

1. Madara had PS w/ EMS.

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Tsunade is amazed that Hashirama fought this thing. Onoki asks why Madara held back. (held PS back) Madara says that adults don't beat up kids w/ their full power, confirming that he had PS back then. Confirming that he used it on Hashirama.

2. Madara
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-Same Mountain Cutting abilities.

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-Same Swords, shoulder guards, tengu nose, and diamond as the regular PS.

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Now we have Sasuke's PS on Kurama.

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Too similar to PS for anyone to logically say that it's not PS, but some other version of Susanoo that looks nothing like what's in the pic.

3. Sasuke states he's doing what Madara did in the past.

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-Hashirama's reaction confirms that he is.

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Sasuke has PS and it's a Manga Fact.

Ok I get why you think EMS Sasuke had PS but why do you think he didn't use it on his own against Obito?

KidGamer65 · Mar 22, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
Ok I get why you think EMS Sasuke had PS but why do you think he didn't use it on his own against Obito?

1. That's not relevant. Why he waited till the end to use it doesn't change the fact that he has it.

2. Either because he chose not to, or because he unlocked it on the spot. Either way, it's irrelevant. I can ask you why he didn't use Iso Susanoo from the start instead of fighting Obito separately.

Transcendence · Mar 22, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
Ok I get why you think EMS Sasuke had PS but why do you think he didn't use it on his own against Obito?

PS on it's own is weaker than a fusion with a Bijuu. It lacks the firepower, and technically speaking, is also weaker defensively since it doesn't have the extra layer of the Bijuu. And in the case of Naruto's Avatar along with the Senjutsu it has, it already has really good durability feats, and to add that to Sasuke's PS was the best case scenario/idea for them, as opposed to going at Obito separately which obviously didn't work out the first time they tried it.

VongolaX · Mar 22, 2015

shelke said:
No I disagree on that part with him. Madara did have PS. We saw him use it against Hashirama. Not to mention the dialogue you talked about. It's proof enough that he had had PS for a long time before his battle with Hashirama.

The only reason why I discontinued my belief of EMS Madara having Perfect Susanoo is because of the DB requirements in bold:

Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary
Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!

This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o).
Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.

Ok,so it is now pretty clear that neither Sasuke nor Madara used Absolute/Complete Susano'o in their battles against obito/Hashirama. It's was just "Susno'o" wrapped around 9-tails. Likely 9-tails physical power allowed to slash that mountains,as Susano'o is only a garb/armor in this jutsu

This was very hard (especially preamble)
Complete( literally full body)Susano'o

Ninjutsu,all ranges,kekke-genkai,offensive,defensive.
Users: Uchiha Madara
Eternity reigns within these pupils,allowing to shape the bravery into clad blue!

The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu.Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle).Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user.Moreover for users that are good at ninjutsu "Susano'o"themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body(kanseitai).Furthermore Susano'o in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly.
Picture: the great complete Susano'o cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).

Bold part is the requirement of the Susanoo

Perfect Susanoo's requirement is wings and towering over mountains

Iso Susanoo is an armor that provides protection of the kyuubi and its paws:

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Sasuke's Iso Susanoo never fit that criteria of a perfect susanoo.

It's not even as a mountain size.

So I looked back in the manga of him verbally confirming if he used the "complete Susanoo (DB translation)," in his conversation with the kages.

Couldn't find any.

Why would there be a separate page if they're both complete susanoo?

shelke · Mar 22, 2015

XanxusKills said:
The only reason why I discontinued my belief of EMS Madara having Perfect Susanoo is because of the DB requirements in bold:

Bold part is the requirement of the Susanoo

Perfect Susanoo's requirement is wings and towering over mountains

Iso Susanoo is an armor that provides protection of the kyuubi and its paws:

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Sasuke's Iso Susanoo never fit that criteria of a perfect susanoo.

It's not even as a mountain size.

So I looked back in the manga of him verbally confirming if he used the "complete Susanoo (DB translation)," in his conversation with the kages.

Couldn't find any.

Why would there be a separate page if they're both complete susanoo?

This is just a form of PS. IT coats Kurama with itself. It's still PS. Sasuke coated his PS on Naruto's avatar. So obviously, it was not going to exceed in size as it was meant to completely solder itself to it.

That PS with wings is also PS. You are getting confused by different forms explanation. Nothing more. Also PS is Complete Susano'o. The small - or big difference - between them is Stability and Instability of Chakra. The Databook probably forgot to mention that, but Madara does.

Netflix and Chill · Mar 23, 2015

Transcendence said:
PS on it's own is weaker than a fusion with a Bijuu. It lacks the firepower, and technically speaking, is also weaker defensively since it doesn't have the extra layer of the Bijuu. And in the case of Naruto's Avatar along with the Senjutsu it has, it already has really good durability feats, and to add that to Sasuke's PS was the best case scenario/idea for them, as opposed to going at Obito separately which obviously didn't work out the first time they tried it.

No. If Sasuke had pulled out flying PS with Juugo supplying it with his senjutsu and Naruto went BSM against Juubito, that would have been a better plan, in many ways.

Like I mentioned in another thread, Sasuke with Naruto's cloak =

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Sasuke linked directly to Naruto's chakra =

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Sasuke after receiving

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Sasuke after receiving a boost from the

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Simple scaling.

KidGamer65 · Mar 23, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
No. If Sasuke had pulled out flying PS with Juugo supplying it with his senjutsu and Naruto went BSM against Juubito, that would have been a better plan, in many ways.

Like I mentioned in another thread, Sasuke with Naruto's cloak =
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Sasuke linked directly to Naruto's chakra =
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Sasuke after receiving
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Sasuke after receiving a boost from the
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Simple scaling.

Lol, this is pretty sad. Facts have been forced down your throat and you're still trying to argue against the Manga.

DHOH · Mar 23, 2015

Eye power is different from other power ups.. Eye power takes time to develop a jutsu, in Sasuke's case, he only had the use of MS /EMS for about three weeks.. Meaning if he had the chakra he didn't have the jutsu.(PS)

This is proven by itachi and Kakashi. The both had there eyes for years compared to Sasuke's weeks. Neither had the chakra but as soon as Kakashi gain the chakra he pop out PS... It's from having developing time and chakra..

Netflix and Chill · Mar 23, 2015

KidGamer65 said:
Lol, this is pretty sad. Facts have been forced down your throat and you're still trying to argue against the Manga.

Facts? Not even gunna bother to post the scans, the fact is that Sasuke never showed

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. You know, flying Susano the one standing on two legs? Yea that PS, the PS that looks like Kakashi's

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and Madara's

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. The fact of the matter is that Sasuke never showed that in EMS form. You can give me scans from now to next year, if none of them has Sasuke using

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then Idc it's not PS it's just Susano covering Kurama.

Looks like I did bother posting the scans after all lol

Netflix and Chill · Mar 23, 2015

DHOH said:
Eye power is different from other power ups.. Eye power takes time to develop a jutsu, in Sasuke's case, he only had the use of MS /EMS for about three weeks.. Meaning if he had the chakra he didn't have the jutsu.(PS)

This is proven by itachi and Kakashi. The both had there eyes for years compared to Sasuke's weeks. Neither had the chakra but as soon as Kakashi gain the chakra he pop out PS... It's from having developing time and chakra..

No we're not talking about "if" or what could have been or should have been we are talking about did Sasuke have PS before gaining Hagoromo's chakra. And the answer is no. No he didn't.

DHOH · Mar 23, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
No we're not talking about "if" or what could have been or should have been we are talking about did Sasuke have PS before gaining Hagoromo's chakra. And the answer is no. No he didn't.

I disagree.. I was stating all the other stuff to give you examples or reasons on why it was used later instead of earlier.

KidGamer65 · Mar 23, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
Facts? Not even gunna bother to post the scans, the fact is that Sasuke never showed
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. You know, flying Susano the one standing on two legs? Yea that PS, the PS that looks like Kakashi's
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and Madara's
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. The fact of the matter is that Sasuke never showed that in EMS form. You can give me scans from now to next year, if none of them has Sasuke using
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then Idc it's not PS it's just Susano covering Kurama.

Looks like I did bother posting the scans after all lol

Then I'll accept your concession, cause you've literally decided to ignore an argument because you don't care. Reply back when you can actually form a real counter instead of this nonsense. Counter my post or concede.

Xlad · Mar 23, 2015

Wait a second. So basically Naruto's chakra is actually capable of evolving Susanoo? I just want to neg so bad. Lol

shelke · Mar 23, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
Facts? Not even gunna bother to post the scans, the fact is that Sasuke never showed
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. You know, flying Susano the one standing on two legs? Yea that PS, the PS that looks like Kakashi's
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and Madara's
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. The fact of the matter is that Sasuke never showed that in EMS form. You can give me scans from now to next year, if none of them has Sasuke using
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then Idc it's not PS it's just Susano covering Kurama.

Looks like I did bother posting the scans after all lol

Do you understand what the term COAT means? Look it up. This is embarrassing.

Styles · Mar 24, 2015

Lol people still denying I see.

maniaoqan · Mar 24, 2015

XanxusKills said:
The only reason why I discontinued my belief of EMS Madara having Perfect Susanoo is because of the DB requirements in bold:

Bold part is the requirement of the Susanoo

Perfect Susanoo's requirement is wings and towering over mountains

Iso Susanoo is an armor that provides protection of the kyuubi and its paws:

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Sasuke's Iso Susanoo never fit that criteria of a perfect susanoo.

It's not even as a mountain size.

So I looked back in the manga of him verbally confirming if he used the "complete Susanoo (DB translation)," in his conversation with the kages.

Couldn't find any.

Why would there be a separate page if they're both complete susanoo?

Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary
Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!

This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o).
Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.

This shows that he used PS against Hashirama.

Netflix and Chill · Mar 24, 2015

KidGamer65 said:
Then I'll accept your concession, cause you've literally decided to ignore an argument because you don't care. Reply back when you can actually form a real counter instead of this nonsense. Counter my post or concede.

You literally did the same thing in this post lol c'mon son chill.

BLAZE · Mar 24, 2015

Buster Hymen said:
You literally did the same thing in this post lol c'mon son chill.

Dude what is so hard to understand

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Did EMS Sasuke have PS?

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