Why Hiruzen not learned Sage Mode?

[Sugiyama]

It's okay lady...I didn't want to criticize your statement

Fair enough.

 

[Char Aznable]

Regenerative Chakra Reserves =/= Unlimited Chakra.

Madara said the chakra was unlimited

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[Great Master Minato]

Madara said the chakra was unlimited

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Let me clarify this for you...Edos have the same reserves as their alive bodies but there's a difference...alive bodies can't regenerate Chakra immediately...if someone uses most of his/her Chakra he/she would get exhausted & they need to rest in order to regain the used up Chakra but Edos can regenerate Chakra immediately...an Edo body won't give you bigger/infinite Chakra reserves it only regenerate your used up Chakra constantly.

 

[shelke]

He had abysmal reserves and his alive feats prove it.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

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[BenjerminGaye]

Well going by the hype he should be able to use it. Sure SM is beign taught by toads and snakes, but there is no proof that it cant be learned elsewhere. For instance Hashirama can use SM and as far as DB and manga concerned he has no summoning contract.



Since a hokage and a sannin of Konoha used it.



It is quite possible he knew but not preferred it as a mean of combat. Considering that jutsu was invented by his master and inherited by his succesor. Unless of course you think Minato re-invented it and coincidentally named it the same.



To undo ET caster needs to cast the hand seals. Hiruzen had no way to make Orochimaru use those hand signs, since he isn't as effective at genjutsu as Itachi.

Madara only used the seals after the ET was undone. ET works like a summoning contract between user and the spirit. When user who is Kabuto undo the contract, spirit who is Madara used the hand seals and assumed to role of user as well.

Hiruzen's deal is hype. There is a possibility he knew how to use it, till Kakashi showed it we thought Minato only taught it to Jiraiya and we've been proven wrong. So according to hype it wouldn't be a pull ass if he knew how to use it. He used RDS which was Minato's jutsu, i doubt Rasengan is harder to learn.



Nope, not that. Chidori and Raikiri doesn't require sharingan to use it. Where did you come up with that ? Sharingan is necessary to cover the weakness of the attack which is sight.

Well Hiruzen doesn't have a Yin seal. But according to hype it could be possible he knew the basics of CES.


The same Orochimaru that seeked SM and acknowladged him as someone who can use all Konoha jutsus.



I'm not even Hiruzen fan, I'm here to rumble some feathers.

Just because ppl in Konoha can use it that dosen't make it a konoha jutsu. Lmfao. Only jutsu that can be learned in Konoha is konoha jutsu. Sage mode requires going to a different location

 

[maniaoqan]

Just because ppl in Konoha can use it that dosen't make it a konoha jutsu. Lmfao. Only jutsu that can be learned in Konoha is konoha jutsu. Sage mode requires going to a different location

And what defines this standart you mention ? Location has nothing to do with it. By konoha orochimaru means every jutsu konoha shinobi has, not Every jutsu developed at the village. Deny all you want , in the end Orochimaru's words > your words

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And what defines this standart you mention ? Location has nothing to do with it. By konoha orochimaru means every jutsu konoha shinobi has, not Every jutsu developed at the village. Deny all you want , in the end Orochimaru's words > your words

Location has everything to do with it. If it can't be learned there it's not a jutsu from there.


Oro's words>your interpretation of oro'oro's words.

 

[MickNerks]

Manga did. He was hyped about using all Konoha jutsus.

Just because a shinobi is strong doesn't mean they can learn Sage Mode. You need specific requirements to absorb NE

It was said that he knows every jutsu, not that he can use every jutsu. Learn to read.

Since when was sage mode a konoha jutsu? Lmfao.

Probably he's talking about the clones, he made 5 Kage Bunshin at once, which Tobirama could only make 3 as an edo for example. which I think denotes that he had fairly large chakra reserves.

Do you seriously believe Hiruzen is able to use SM ?

There were only a few who could use it properly.

Thus far, Sage Mode has been shown to be taught in two places: at Mount Myōboku by the toads, and Ryūchi Cave by the snakes.

Hiruzen's summoning is monkey, so that's just not possible.

Feel free to reply me back, I'm really into this discussion XD

Where was it that Tobirama could only make 3?

Keep in mind, Edo Tensei come with indestructible bodies and UNLIMITED chakra. It's why Hiruzen was able to use the kage bushin with 5 bodies and use 5 different elementals at the same time. A feat he could never preform in real life without wearing himself out almost immediately.

Unlimited chakra and indestructibles bodies are also why Madara was able to troll stomp the Shinobi Alliance, Gokage (with 25 Susanno and 1 giant Perfect Susanno), Naruto and Sasuke when they arrived and the revived Hoage when thy joined the fight.

Hiruzen Sarutobi DOES HAVE SAGE MODE (or DID) according to the manga.

Orochimaru clearly explained that Hiruzen LEARNED and CAN USE ALL JUTSU that EXIST within the LEAF VILLAGE.

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Now we know that Hashirama Senju had learned and Mastered sage mode, after and during the formation of the Hidden Leaf Village and we also know that hiruzen had and

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with all his Jutsu in it. With this knowledge from the manga we can assume and know that Hiruzen learned and knew of Sage Mode and possibly learned it from Hashirama or his scrolls.

This is one of the scrolls that Hiruzen had that belonged to Hashirama full of his (and tobirama's) techniques.

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Now, in terms of Chakra reserves we all know that a user of Sage Mode needs Large Chakra reserves which was explained by Pa (toad sage) during Naruto's training.

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And we all know that in Hiruzen's youth he had

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which was hinted at in his battle with Orochimaru on multiple occasions. And it is also shown multiple times that though he couldnt use multiple jutsu's like he could in his prime he could still use multiple (9+) very powerful jutsu. Even summoning the Monkey King Emna requires a large amount of chakra which

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. So its evident from the events in the manga that in hiruzen's youth he had large chakra reserves.

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S.N. Sarutobi's are described as having large chakra reserves, which is evident when we watch Konohamru easily able to accomplish the same shadow clone feats as naruto.

Now when all of this is known, it easily to understand that in Hiruzen's youth he had large enough reserves to easily access sage mode. Which im confident, knowning hiruzen, that it was his last resort of any battle as if took his power levels passed kage level.

Imagine Monkey Sage Hiruzen while wielding a Monkey King Enma (also using sage techniques), with omniscient sensing and strenght that rivals sage naruto, also tha ability to access all konoha base techniques, all 5 elements infused with senjutus, and a unbreakable sentient staff that could clone itself, increase its size to anything, use its on jutsu its easy to understand why kishimoto wouldnt want him in the last war. He would have out shined Hashirama EASILY.

Hope this Helped!!!

 

[Char Aznable]

Hiruzen Sarutobi DOES HAVE SAGE MODE (or DID) according to the manga.

Orochimaru clearly explained that Hiruzen LEARNED and CAN USE ALL JUTSU that EXIST within the LEAF VILLAGE.

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Now we know that Hashirama Senju had learned and Mastered sage mode, after and during the formation of the Hidden Leaf Village and we also know that hiruzen had and

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with all his Jutsu in it. With this knowledge from the manga we can assume and know that Hiruzen learned and knew of Sage Mode and possibly learned it from Hashirama or his scrolls.

This is one of the scrolls that Hiruzen had that belonged to Hashirama full of his (and tobirama's) techniques.

Spoiler

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Now, in terms of Chakra reserves we all know that a user of Sage Mode needs Large Chakra reserves which was explained by Pa (toad sage) during Naruto's training.

Spoiler

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And we all know that in Hiruzen's youth he had

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which was hinted at in his battle with Orochimaru on multiple occasions. And it is also shown multiple times that though he couldnt use multiple jutsu's like he could in his prime he could still use multiple (9+) very powerful jutsu. Even summoning the Monkey King Emna requires a large amount of chakra which

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. So its evident from the events in the manga that in hiruzen's youth he had large chakra reserves.

Spoiler

S.N. Sarutobi's are described as having large chakra reserves, which is evident when we watch Konohamru easily able to accomplish the same shadow clone feats as naruto.

Now when all of this is known, it easily to understand that in Hiruzen's youth he had large enough reserves to easily access sage mode. Which im confident, knowning hiruzen, that it was his last resort of any battle as if took his power levels passed kage level.

Imagine Monkey Sage Hiruzen while wielding a Monkey King Enma (also using sage techniques), with omniscient sensing and strenght that rivals sage naruto, also tha ability to access all konoha base techniques, all 5 elements infused with senjutus, and a unbreakable sentient staff that could clone itself, increase its size to anything, use its on jutsu its easy to understand why kishimoto wouldnt want him in the last war. He would have out shined Hashirama EASILY.

Hope this Helped!!!

LEL at this fanfic. I already listed a number of jutsu Hiruzen couldn't do and never displayed. Oro's comments are nostalgic hype for his master. A master Oro hadn't seen since before the K12 were born. Since that coincides with Oro running away from the village and Hiruzen still be Hokage; having not appointed Minato yet.

And we all know that in Hiruzen's youth he had

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which was hinted at in his battle with Orochimaru on multiple occasions. And it is also shown multiple times that though he couldnt use multiple jutsu's like he could in his prime he could still use multiple (9+) very powerful jutsu. Even summoning the Monkey King Emna requires a large amount of chakra which

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. So its evident from the events in the manga that in hiruzen's youth he had large chakra reserves.
S.N. Sarutobi's are described as having large chakra reserves, which is evident when we watch Konohamru easily able to accomplish the same shadow clone feats as naruto.

Where does it ever say the Sarutobi have large chakra reserves? Nowhere to my recollection.

@Bold
Genin Sakura could use the shadow clone jutsu too. It's part of the graduation exam from the academy.

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Naruto is just able to use it best because of his Uzumaki vitality and Kurama chakra. And Konohamaru is a Naruto clone.


Sarutobi wank I will never understand. The Yamanaka and Akimichi Clans have better feats and hype surrounding them.

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen solos.

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen solos.

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[BenjerminGaye]

LEL at this fanfic. I already listed a number of jutsu Hiruzen couldn't do and never displayed. Oro's comments are nostalgic hype for his master. A master Oro hadn't seen since before the K12 were born. Since that coincides with Oro running away from the village and Hiruzen still be Hokage; having not appointed Minato yet.



Where does it ever say the Sarutobi have large chakra reserves? Nowhere to my recollection.

@Bold
Genin Sakura could use the shadow clone jutsu too. It's part of the graduation exam from the academy.

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Naruto is just able to use it best because of his Uzumaki vitality and Kurama chakra. And Konohamaru is a Naruto clone.


Sarutobi wank I will never understand. The Yamanaka and Akimichi Clans have better feats and hype surrounding them.

Thats not shadow clone that's clone just clone jutsu (yes theres a difference.)

 

[roncato]

Hiruzen Sarutobi DOES HAVE SAGE MODE (or DID) according to the manga.

Orochimaru clearly explained that Hiruzen LEARNED and CAN USE ALL JUTSU that EXIST within the LEAF VILLAGE.

You must be registered for see images

Now we know that Hashirama Senju had learned and Mastered sage mode, after and during the formation of the Hidden Leaf Village and we also know that hiruzen had and

You must be registered for see links

with all his Jutsu in it. With this knowledge from the manga we can assume and know that Hiruzen learned and knew of Sage Mode and possibly learned it from Hashirama or his scrolls.

This is one of the scrolls that Hiruzen had that belonged to Hashirama full of his (and tobirama's) techniques.

Spoiler

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Now, in terms of Chakra reserves we all know that a user of Sage Mode needs Large Chakra reserves which was explained by Pa (toad sage) during Naruto's training.

Spoiler

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And we all know that in Hiruzen's youth he had

You must be registered for see links

which was hinted at in his battle with Orochimaru on multiple occasions. And it is also shown multiple times that though he couldnt use multiple jutsu's like he could in his prime he could still use multiple (9+) very powerful jutsu. Even summoning the Monkey King Emna requires a large amount of chakra which

You must be registered for see links

. So its evident from the events in the manga that in hiruzen's youth he had large chakra reserves.

Spoiler

S.N. Sarutobi's are described as having large chakra reserves, which is evident when we watch Konohamru easily able to accomplish the same shadow clone feats as naruto.

Now when all of this is known, it easily to understand that in Hiruzen's youth he had large enough reserves to easily access sage mode. Which im confident, knowning hiruzen, that it was his last resort of any battle as if took his power levels passed kage level.

Imagine Monkey Sage Hiruzen while wielding a Monkey King Enma (also using sage techniques), with omniscient sensing and strenght that rivals sage naruto, also tha ability to access all konoha base techniques, all 5 elements infused with senjutus, and a unbreakable sentient staff that could clone itself, increase its size to anything, use its on jutsu its easy to understand why kishimoto wouldnt want him in the last war. He would have out shined Hashirama EASILY.

Hope this Helped!!!

What the **** is wrong with you ?

He never had sage mode, and it's taught only in 2 places: at Mount Myōboku by the toads, and Ryūchi Cave by the snakes.

Go wank ur old perv more, u fool.

 

[maniaoqan]

What the **** is wrong with you ?

He never had sage mode, and it's taught only in 2 places: at Mount Myōboku by the toads, and Ryūchi Cave by the snakes.

Go wank ur old perv more, u fool.

Then where did Hashirama learned ? He never showed any summoning contract. You're making baseless assumptions. It is true that SM is taught in those 2 places, but it is not limited to them.

 

[MickNerks]

LEL at this fanfic. I already listed a number of jutsu Hiruzen couldn't do and never displayed. Oro's comments are nostalgic hype for his master. A master Oro hadn't seen since before the K12 were born. Since that coincides with Oro running away from the village and Hiruzen still be Hokage; having not appointed Minato yet.

You have no idea what jutsu hiruzen cant do. You were probally one of the many claiming that hiruzen couldnt use all elements, even thought his hype clearly stated that he could.

If orochimaru, the man who knows everything about everything stated that hiruzen knows and can use every jutsu in the leaf village, who are you to say he is lying about that but honest about everything else he has shared.

Where does it ever say the Sarutobi have large chakra reserves? Nowhere to my recollection.

Databook 4, pg 316 (dont have the scan right now)

@Bold
Genin Sakura could use the shadow clone jutsu too. It's part of the graduation exam from the academy.

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Naruto is just able to use it best because of his Uzumaki vitality and Kurama chakra. And Konohamaru is a Naruto clone.

Sakura doesnt know

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. That is a forbidden technique that only a few shinobi know. What sakura used was a regular genin level

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. what sakura used wasnt even tangible, they were just distractions.

Please learn the difference between the techniques.

Sarutobi wank I will never understand. The Yamanaka and Akimichi Clans have better feats and hype surrounding them.

The sarutobi clan has way better feats and hype than both the yamanaka and akimichi clans. Sarutobi clan have a hokage, and are the most gifted clan behind the Senju and uchiha. Both hiruzen and konohameru both prove that.

What the **** is wrong with you ?

He never had sage mode, and it's taught only in 2 places: at Mount Myōboku by the toads, and Ryūchi Cave by the snakes.

Go wank ur old perv more, u fool.

So, where did Hashirama get his sage mode from?
And since we are on the topic please also explain how the sage of six paths recieved sage mode since he isnt a toad sage or snake sage?

I'll wait...................................